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[kano]

You have a hostile approach towards someone trying to promote your products or suggest tutorials, so I'll stand by the statement you're losing more customers than you acquire.

...

Think about it and let me know if you ever decide to expand your tutorial, config and compile horizons.

You still don't get it - I keep saying, there are no missing files.
Yaw claiming to know a lot about computers, but keep getting this whole thing wrong.
That's how most of linux works for software development and building from source.
For probably most of the last 20 years.

You use autogen and it generates files based on your particular architecture, your particular version, you particular set of install programs on your particular computer.
Then you compile it as per the steps that are exactly the same.
You haven't even mentioned what it is you are running - just 'linux' which really means nothing at all.

There's plenty clear to read, and simple documentation, on the steps in both places I've already told you.
However to install tools needed to compile anything, and libraries needed to compile cgminer, the ones needed are listed in the 'apt' commands.
You've already said you've installed gcc, so you at least how to install 'something' right?
Whatever random linux you are using, that you don't want to use ubuntu, again that's your choice.
In that case you gotta work out the apt command replacement for whatever your linux uses and the names of the libraries.
Again I've already said this.

I'm not selling products, so stop making stupid statements.
It's all free.
Heck this isn't even the place to ask support for cgminer.
It would be in thread of whatever miner you are buying.

It compiles on linux, but if you don't use apt you gotta work out the command.
It compiles on windows, but alas someone has raised an issue recently where it would appear that mxe has broken something recently, so I'll have to fix that when I do the next dev work.
It compiles on Mac, no idea what old versions, but certainly the recent versions with intel and M1.

You want more ... for some unknown system, coz you can't work out what 'apt' is?
Oh well, it's free - feel free to submit additions to the public git.
It's not rocket science to replace that one apt line, but it does require installing and screwing around with whatever linux you are using.
Your a computer expert of over 40 years - go ahead and submit a change to the free public git to add the optional other single one line command to the docs.

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[BurningWoodenLeg]

Working w/ kids since 83 I always remind them when a dispute arises try your best to make friends.

Obviously I'm the new guy here. I tried offering a beer, a nice day by the beach...which you'll probably visit anyway though traffic on weekends in summer sucks. I've got a spare 2 man kayak...bring a date...in fact (lemme count) 3 spare kayaks, a sculling/fast canoe, 2 paddleboads...bring some kids...

And after all that while I'm sure Kano is a nice guy and I'm just an asshole trying to help at risk kids while giving him more customers, and help climate actvists - I run GretaThunberg.com where millions of kids MIGHT need a few bucks from software (which would be a bit ironic given power usage) and her European followers - helped one w/ a U.N. doc yesterday - anyways...it's hard to send kids into the jaws of hostile adults.

You folks have a great weekend and I'll see if I can find someone else to help compile this thing or gut the code and rewrite it...dunno.

[kano]

Again, you're ignoring what I've explained, and on top of that you've not even bothered to point out what you did.
Your not trying to make friends, you seem to be pretending that you know a heck a lot about what you are doing, but wont tell the truth that you don't even know how to run the equivalent of apt on your linux. Misleading people is usually not how you make friends.

The steps are simple, but you never mentioned that you skipped steps, but as a result that was the problem from the start.
Only that after skipping one or more steps, the compile failed ... ... ... which is expected.

Either don't skip steps, or work out a replacement for the steps that fail.
It would appear that what you have done, but again not bothered to point out, is failed to do the 'apt' steps.
If, instead, you replace the apt steps with whatever is necessary on your secret version of linux, then every other step will work fine.
But it seems you don't know the basics about building software on linux.

I'm not gonna spend thousands of dollars on a plane flight, to give free support for free software, to drink beer that I don't like anyway.

... and you keep going over and over and over and over again about these so called 'customers', getting free software from me ...
that somehow is some sort of gracious thing you are doing for me ... ... giving me nothing - lol.

If you hadn't noticed, cgminer is in most of the miners you can buy the world over.
No one pays for it, and most companies even violate it's simple payment free license.

Here's how people 'should' go about getting free support for free software:

Hi, I tried to run the steps to compile cgminer but they failed.
They failed at the apt step coz I'm using some other version of linux that doesn't have apt.
Do you know what the replacement step is, for the apt step at the beginning, for my special secret linux version? ...
... ... coz I don't know that ... ...

Not

Bombs on config.h not found

since that is something you caused yourself by deciding to not follow the steps ... but don't seem to want to say that you caused it ...

[n0nce]

I teach a tech class for kids (since 1983) where kids walk out with a free PC they built on day one...

...and they're hammering me to teach them to set up a miner on LINUX, so....

a) I guess CGMINER ... ? Any thoughts?

b) And Kano? Is that a good fit?

You could try solo-mining on Testnet, especially in case that they have powerful GPUs. Guide here.

Do check out all three pages; we discovered that difficulty=1 is still too high for many CPUs to ever solo-mine a block.

In case their hardware is not powerful enough, you could also set up your own testnet, of course, with different difficulty calculation or simply with no ASICs and difficulty pinned to '1'. In that case, someone should find a block eventually (older CPUs may need 10 minutes straight to solve a 1-diff-block), without a nasty ASIC swooping it away (which is what usually happens on Testnet3).

I teach a tech class for kids (since 1983) where kids walk out with a free PC they built on day one...
...and they're hammering me to teach them to set up a miner on LINUX, so....
a) I guess CGMINER ... ? Any thoughts?

b) And Kano? Is that a good fit?

A good place to start would be to get one of Sidehack's Compac-F which is a USB stick minerr, that would take care of having an AISC-based miner. Be aware that the USB port MUST be able supply at least 3A This is the link to its thread and it also covers setting up cgminer from Kano's git which with him being the sole remaining active Primary developer of it, it is of course the latest/greatest.

I do agree with Fuzzy; to really teach them how mining is done nowadays, the best viable option today is (depending on budget) to get some Compac F or R909 machines. I can recommend both myself.

Do note that while I only skimmed over the rest of the discussion, this forum can be incredibly helpful and friendly, but we also expect people to (show us they) put in some effort themselves. Basic Linux usage is not something we need to teach in a mining-related thread, there are enough resources for that online, for instance.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Basic Linux usage is not something we need to teach in a mining-related thread, there are enough resources for that online, for instance.

Precisely. Learning what commands your OS uses to compile/install code is the 1st thing you need to know. Makes no difference what the OS is be it 'doze or one of the many variants of Linux (which includes Mac...). The source code and instructions on how to compile/install it works for the majority of people.

Yes, some of the 'ux's out there don't use apt and some do not like the Debian libs so as Kano said, you need to find out what equivalents your flavor uses and work it out. Welcome to Open Source coding! For edge cases like yours appears to be, once you get things figured out - as a community service, post them to the git so others can do it as well.

@BurningWoodenLeg: just what OS are you using? You mention students so perhaps it's Chrome? Don't think you ever said what it is.

[mikeywith]

And after all that while I'm sure Kano is a nice guy and I'm just an asshole trying to help at risk kids while giving him more customers

I sure bet Kano isn't the nicest guy you would meet on the internet, and I disagree with him on a lot of subjects, but in this case, I think you are overreacting and you are in the wrong -- not him, maybe he could have replied you in a nicer way, but ya, this is the internet and you are going to need to grow a thick skin to survive.

The instructions are clear, just because you use some weird OS, it doesn't mean anyone related to the software/hardware you use needs to give you any kind of support, especially not when it's free, I was trying some mining proxy the other day, and I had only a Windows machine nearby, that proxy runs on Linux ONLY, imagine me going to the thread and asking (my windows cmd isn't responding to the apt commands, what should I do?).

I had to figure out my own shit, and when I did, it became just a matter of following the simple steps, mind you, I don't have half the experience you claim to have with computers.

Anyway, if you still need help, start your own thread in the software section, explain in detail the errors you are getting, the exact distribution you use, and I will be more than willing to help, and I am some others would as well.

[n0nce]

For edge cases like yours appears to be, once you get things figured out - as a community service, post them to the git so others can do it as well.

@BurningWoodenLeg: just what OS are you using? You mention students so perhaps it's Chrome? Don't think you ever said what it is.

That's how we roll.. Take, for instance, my (quite popular) full node setup guide for OpenSUSE, which I based off of:

@mocacinno's great centos 7 guide

[Ze777]

!!!BLOCK!!!
Congratulations!

[kano]

Yeah been a long time between them, but yay a BLOCK by one of my miners on PPLNS
Sharing out the reward for all mining PPLNS at the moment

[SilverDesert]

Congratulations Kano on the PPLNS block 
Now let's hope for a Solo block 

[bigdaddymccarron]

How/when do you trigger the payout?

[kano]

Payout will be sent at around 101 confirms - the Pool->Blocks page says how many so far.
Bitcoin rules are that you can't spend/send a block before that.

[bigdaddymccarron]

Payout will be sent at around 101 confirms - the Pool->Blocks page says how many so far.
Bitcoin rules are that you can't spend/send a block before that.

Thank you

[bigdaddymccarron]

Payout will be sent at around 101 confirms - the Pool->Blocks page says how many so far.
Bitcoin rules are that you can't spend/send a block before that.

Do we have to trigger the payment or is it automatic?

[kano]

I trigger it for everyone who's total balance is above the minimum they set on their account (default 10000 sat)

[Biffa]

Awesome news guys, hopefully the end of the long drought (even if for me the drought remains as I only got some dust) 

A couple of fast ones would be good now.

[kano]

A Little reminder about the solo fun run we run on the pool in Discord.

One thing we do, that none of the other solo runs do, is maximise our chances of finding a block.

Like rolling a dice, every hash you do counts as a chance at getting a block.
If you over pay the rental price, then you are reducing the number of hashes you get, i.e. the number of times you roll the dice.

It's quite simple to understand
If you go into two casinos doing the same thing, and at one you get 100 rolls for your money,
while the other you get 95 rolls for your money, which would you prefer, which will give you the best chance?

Wiggie maximises the number of rolls we get each time by not overpaying for hash rate.
Mining on MRR is always overpaying for hash rate and reducing your chances.
Mining on FuckHash is overpaying, if you try to minimise your run time.

One of our best examples is our recent run #149 where we paid only 99.24% PPS.

Each KanoPool fun run has very roughly a 1 in 1042 chance of getting a block (if we end up paying 100% PPS)

We have a fun run at least every week, often a few each week, and it's only 0.0006 BTC to be part of the fun.

[willi9974]

How many blocks the pool has found ind group pplns Mode and in solo mode?
Is there a statistic page, where I can see that?

Best regards from Germany
Willi

[kano]

How many blocks the pool has found ind group pplns Mode and in solo mode?
Is there a statistic page, where I can see that?

Best regards from Germany
Willi

Solo vs PPLNS is no difference - it's all the same code and same pool.
The difference is the accounting in KDB deciding who gets a reward - based on the miner account that found the block.
If a solo account finds a block, then only the solo account it rewarded.
If a pplns account finds a block. then all active (3 days) pplns accounts are rewarded and of course no solo accounts get rewarded.

Pool so far is 2434 PPLNS blocks.
Solo - so far no blocks.
Total work on solo so far is 104% - and this is the correct value, that no other pool seems able to display correctly.
Our fun run so far is 150 runs complete so about 15% work of that 104%
The total % stats have always been shown on the pool web site.

The number posted by the person running the pool you like, has nothing to do with luck.
For any block that crosses a single difficulty boundary, Luck is NOT Diff / NetDiff.

[willi9974]

Thanks for the Information