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March 08, 2019, 05:38:53 PM
Last edit: March 08, 2019, 05:49:11 PM by kano
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Well it's that width of the gap, but in Nd, not time.
So it simply depends on the pool hash rate how long it will be to complete the 'ramp' back up.

But really what's going on is it always takes 5Nd to change your hash rate (up or down)

The 'tank' concept is actually easiest to follow:
It's how full the 'green' tank is when we find a block (the Red line)
Each new shift, the line on the left drops out of the tank, and the new line on the right effectively replenishes it.
The difference between the two decides what the red line will do.

So at the moment your total 5Nd hash rate isn't changing much since on the very left it's similar to the right.
Once you hit the empty area on the left where nothing is leaking out, your hash rate on the right is always above the left (zero), so the 5Nd will start to go back up again.
Looks from that graph, less than a day at the current pool hash rate and your red line will be going up much faster.

Edit: the above is all to do just with the green area - on the left and right of it.

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March 08, 2019, 05:52:22 PM
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Well it's that width of the gap, but in Nd, not time.
So it simply depends on the pool hash rate how long it will be to complete the 'ramp' back up.

But really what's going on is it always takes 5Nd to change your hash rate (up or down)

The 'tank' concept is actually easiest to follow:
It's how full the 'green' tank is when we find a block (the Red line)
Each new shift, the line on the left drops out of the tank, and the new line on the right effectively replenishes it.
The difference between the two decides what the red line will do.

So at the moment your total 5Nd hash rate isn't changing much since on the very left it's similar to the right.
Once you hit the empty area on the left where nothing is leaking out, your hash rate on the right is always above the left (zero), so the 5Nd will start to go back up again.
Looks from that graph, less than a day at the current pool hash rate and your red line will be going up much faster.


the time I state is simply that time is between those two lines - which is 14 days of ramping down, so i was ramping down those 14 days - but I also got 4 payments during that time as well.

I am now looking at how long it is taking me to ramp back up, I have been ramping back up since the 26th which is now 8 days. The way I have always looked to see where I was on the ramp up/ramp down is on the rewards screen at my N average in comparison to my actual hash rate.

For the miners i have on this pool and at fully ramped up my N average is between 68-69, on the last block reward (block 566131 as 566208 does not show on the rewards page yet) my N average is 37 so from my viewpoint about half where it should be so I would be at about halfway to being fully ramped up?

Or am I looking at this all wrong?


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March 08, 2019, 06:12:00 PM
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It is as simple as: it takes 5Nd to complete any changes.
If you kept the current hash rate, it would indeed be about half way to ramping back up.

But that 'half' isn't time.
The ramp itself is not time based, but hash based.
5Nd means 5x Network difficulty of hashes sent to the pool.

Since the pool hash rate is higher at the moment (but who knows when that will change), the Nd's are being chewed up quite a bit faster.

Edit: P.S. the reward has been processed now.

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March 08, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
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It is as simple as: it takes 5Nd to complete any changes.
If you kept the current hash rate, it would indeed be about half way to ramping back up.

But that 'half' isn't time.
The ramp itself is not time based, but hash based.
5Nd means 5x Network difficulty of hashes sent to the pool.

Since the pool hash rate is higher at the moment (but who knows when that will change), the Nd's are being chewed up quite a bit faster.

Edit: P.S. the reward has been processed now.

yes I get that its hash rated but I still (in my head) have to equate it to time. I realize that it constantly changes so all I can do is make estimated based on the average over a period of time.

and yes, I see the reward now Smiley


can you answer me on my other question on using the N average on the rewards page - I know we have the other page but I also look at that and if its showing about half of my hash rate instead of my true average - then I "know" that if I was fully ramped up I would have made about double the payment I just got.

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March 08, 2019, 06:30:35 PM
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can you answer me on my other question on using the N average on the rewards page - I know we have the other page but I also look at that and if its showing about half of my hash rate instead of my true average - then I "know" that if I was fully ramped up I would have made about double the payment I just got.
Everyone's reward is directly proportional to their 5Nd hash rate - on the Rewards page that's "Your N Avg"

So yes if your 5Nd average hash rate for the block says you are at 40THs and you get X BTC for that,
then if your 5Nd average was double that (80THs) then you'd have gotten double the BTC i.e. X times 2.

Also: the red line on the Shift Graph shows a reasonably accurate estimate of what the "Your N Avg" would be on the Rewards page, if we found a block now - it just doesn't include the current incomplete shift which will of course change it a bit.
But e.g. that current reward, 5Nd was almost 750 shifts, so one shift wont make much difference to that at the moment.

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March 08, 2019, 06:46:09 PM
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Everyone's reward is directly proportional to their 5Nd hash rate - on the Rewards page that's "Your N Avg"

So yes if your 5Nd average hash rate for the block says you are at 40THs and you get X BTC for that,
then if your 5Nd average was double that (80THs) then you'd have gotten double the BTC i.e. X times 2.

Also: the red line on the Shift Graph shows a reasonably accurate estimate of what the "Your N Avg" would be on the Rewards page, if we found a block now - it just doesn't include the current incomplete shift which will of course change it a bit.
But e.g. that current reward, 5Nd was almost 750 shifts, so one shift wont make much difference to that at the moment.

yes that makes sense and I gotta stop taking miners off of here to try other things lol I always use the set I have on here vs the ones on slush/viabtc/antpool etc Those all get regular payouts is prolly why but yea I would have made nearly $350 this month so far vs the near $200

and thank you for explaining.

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March 08, 2019, 08:56:11 PM
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Everyone's reward is directly proportional to their 5Nd hash rate - on the Rewards page that's "Your N Avg"

So yes if your 5Nd average hash rate for the block says you are at 40THs and you get X BTC for that,
then if your 5Nd average was double that (80THs) then you'd have gotten double the BTC i.e. X times 2.

Also: the red line on the Shift Graph shows a reasonably accurate estimate of what the "Your N Avg" would be on the Rewards page, if we found a block now - it just doesn't include the current incomplete shift which will of course change it a bit.
But e.g. that current reward, 5Nd was almost 750 shifts, so one shift wont make much difference to that at the moment.

yes that makes sense and I gotta stop taking miners off of here to try other things lol I always use the set I have on here vs the ones on slush/viabtc/antpool etc Those all get regular payouts is prolly why but yea I would have made nearly $350 this month so far vs the near $200

and thank you for explaining.

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March 08, 2019, 09:30:58 PM
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Gotta bring them all home and ride this great run of luck!   

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yes but I also have financial obligations which require steady payments and while it may be higher here some months it is not as steady so I have to leave some with the steady - maybe soon I will be able to afford to do otherwise.

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March 09, 2019, 02:28:34 AM
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Gotta bring them all home and ride this great run of luck!   

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yes but I also have financial obligations which require steady payments and while it may be higher here some months it is not as steady so I have to leave some with the steady - maybe soon I will be able to afford to do otherwise.
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Well, I am ready that my post will be deleted, but I should try.

Is this a correct reward assignment? Even when I moved all my miners to another pool?



Shouldn't the amount of the reward smoothly decrease just as it gradually increased during my arrival to this pool?


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Well, I am ready that my post will be deleted, but I should try.

Is this a correct reward assignment? Even when I moved all my miners to another pool?



Shouldn't the amount of the reward smoothly decrease just as it gradually increased during my arrival to this pool?


Block by Rabinovitch with 140TH...nice! Cheesy

This is our 1st of BLOCK FRIDAY! Cheesy

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well for one thing, the pool went 18 days without a block, that whole time I assume you were ramping down because your N average went from 99 th to 94 then to 74 on the 3 blocks prior to the long stretch. had there been blocks in that 18 day stretch, you would have seen more rewards and thus it would appear smoother.

oh man and look at that, you hit the block while ramping down. the post you quoted says 140 TH but your N average for that block is only 39 gh so dont see how you would have had 140 TH on the pool at that moment - unless you put it all back for a short spell just long enough to hit the block and then back off again.

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Incredible, 4 blocks when my country plunges into a blackout... Hope there is no correlation!

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Incredible, 4 blocks when my country plunges into a blackout... Hope there is no correlation!

maybe if the main pool for the guys that failed over to here for that time frame was in your country.

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http://screenshot.ru/81ab5c0aa67482807162005e13ba0496_1.png

Shouldn't the amount of the reward smoothly decrease just as it gradually increased during my arrival to this pool?
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Since the pool size changes a lot, 'her' ramp down will not be smooth, and in this case there was a big gap of no blocks as you can see.

From 2019‑02‑04 to 2019‑02‑22 was a 339.455% block.
So it ramped down 3.4Nd with no blocks until the end of that 3.4Nd ramp down.

However, 'she' basically stopped mining before that as you can see the ramp down already happening from the 1st of Feb
(from 126.27THs on 17-Jan)
So by the time 22-Feb came along, 'she' had already almost completed ramping down.

The only reason it wasn't completely ramped down was due to the two small spikes up from zero and back down again you can see on 'her' Shift Graph on the 7th and 12th of Feb.

Unfortunately the only fix to that would have been to not switch away from the pool during the bad luck and be ramped down when the good luck arrived.

All the numbers on PPLNS are 'expected' not, 'will happen'.
You 'expect' on average, to have a block every 100%.
Instead what 'will happen' is blocks will be all over the place.

The 5Nd ramp down 'expects', on average, 5 blocks, one every 100%
But that's not what will happen of course, it will be random and in some rare cases there will be none for 5Nd (any block 500% or more)

Bottom line, 'she' simply chose the wrong time to leave the pool.
You can't know in advance when will be a good or bad time to leave, but alas that was probably the worst time to leave due to missing out on the good luck also.

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March 09, 2019, 02:37:42 PM
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why do you say "she"? based on Rabinovitch's avatar I would say they are a "he" also profile says male.

that aside, I find it amazing that Rabinovitch was ramping down and basically like 99% ramped down as their N average was in the GH range when they found a block. I would have thought that while ramping down though as you are not technically connected to the pool that you would not be able to find a block.

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March 09, 2019, 02:49:04 PM
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Rabinovitch is asking this question on behalf of a non english speaking miner.

You thought correct you cannot find a block here if you are ramping down but have no miners connected to the pool. The paid shares for the 5nd ramp down are previously submitted shares.

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why do you say "she"? based on Rabinovitch's avatar I would say they are a "he" also profile says male.

that aside, I find it amazing that Rabinovitch was ramping down and basically like 99% ramped down as their N average was in the GH range when they found a block. I would have thought that while ramping down though as you are not technically connected to the pool that you would not be able to find a block.

As mentioned, that payout chart was for another miner.  Rabinovitch is still showing about 130TH on the KanoPool. Smiley

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Block! by canaan - woo Smiley

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March 10, 2019, 07:35:03 AM
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Rabinovitch is asking this question on behalf of a non english speaking miner.

You thought correct you cannot find a block here if you are ramping down but have no miners connected to the pool. The paid shares for the 5nd ramp down are previously submitted shares.

ahh i didnt see where he quoted someone it looked like, to me at least, that he was asking about himself. but now that you clarify, I feel better lol I mean I am still looking at his post and cannot tell where he says it is on behalf of someone else, but I trust ya lol

I just wish my N average was going up instead of down with each block, I am ramping up but it's dropping Sad

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March 10, 2019, 07:41:32 AM
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I think I actually caught it on the discord channel, Kano posted about it. Easy to see why you were confused.

Just keep plugging away and you'll get fully ramped up. You N average should keep climbing though, as long as you keep your miners pointed here. The reward will fluctuate with the pool size which has been a bit of a rollercoaster lately.

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