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[NotFuzzyWarm]

I teach a tech class for kids (since 1983) where kids walk out with a free PC they built on day one...
...and they're hammering me to teach them to set up a miner on LINUX, so....
a) I guess CGMINER ... ? Any thoughts?

b) And Kano? Is that a good fit?

A good place to start would be to get one of Sidehack's Compac-F which is a USB stick minerr, that would take care of having an AISC-based miner. Be aware that the USB port MUST be able supply at least 3A This is the link to its thread and it also covers setting up cgminer from Kano's git which with him being the sole remaining active Primary developer of it, it is of course the latest/greatest.

[mikeywith]

the risk is that kano takes the money then I have to ask to withdraw it right? not mining to my address directly like ck?
sending to the user wallet directly is way better even if they pump the fees to 1% but don't act as a middle man when its not required in case of solo that's a strange intention

It seems like you misunderstood the wallet address idea in CKsolo, it's just a more convenient way for you to start mining without having to sign-up it acts as your username on other pools, it doesn't mean the rewards will go directly to your wallet address, the blockchain/other nodes don't see your wallet address, they see CK's Bitcoin address and if your hashrate hits a block the rewards will go to CK's BTC address, not yours.

From there, the pool keeps the fees (2% or whatever that may be) and then makes a NEW transaction to send you the remaining BTC to the address which you used in your worker setup (in CK's case) or in your pool account page (in Kano's case), so in respect to "trust/middle man" ALL pools are identical -- you are going to HAVE to trust the pool anyway.

Now in terms of trust, I think both pools can be equally trusted, it's just a matter of personal preference.

[CryptoHFs]

the risk is that kano takes the money then I have to ask to withdraw it right? not mining to my address directly like ck?
sending to the user wallet directly is way better even if they pump the fees to 1% but don't act as a middle man when its not required in case of solo that's a strange intention

It seems like you misunderstood the wallet address idea in CKsolo, it's just a more convenient way for you to start mining without having to sign-up it acts as your username on other pools, it doesn't mean the rewards will go directly to your wallet address, the blockchain/other nodes don't see your wallet address, they see CK's Bitcoin address and if your hashrate hits a block the rewards will go to CK's BTC address, not yours.
From there, the pool keeps the fees (2% or whatever that may be) and then makes a NEW transaction to send you the remaining BTC to the address which you used in your worker setup (in CK's case) or in your pool account page (in Kano's case), so in respect to "trust/middle man" ALL pools are identical -- you are going to HAVE to trust the pool anyway.
Now in terms of trust, I think both pools can be equally trusted, it's just a matter of personal preference.

Right.. I've seen some solo pools source code for sale for $500 including setup.. maybe even it is $50,000 can be a later step if any blocks hit. However, I like how kano is so much active and open minded. Friendly & supportive. CK is nice as well.

[kano]

Alas not quite correct
This pool pays all blocks to the KanoPool wallet, then I payout to the miners from there after 100 confirms.

That other pool pays the coinbase transaction directly to his address and your address.
That was also the reason why he lost a block back in 2017 - the poorly tested code to do that failed.

The delay, however, isn't actually much different between the two, since you can't spend a block before 100 confirms no matter who you are.
So here I send it to you at 100 confirms, and you can spend it a few confirms after that.

[BurningWoodenLeg]

I don't know if the USB board by ?sidekick?sidehack? (I forget...gotta go find them) would work.

I built bought the domain, built the website and am building the LINUX distro and will try compiling CGMINER.

I'd like to create a CURL POST to automatically register a user with Kano Pool.

If you want I can write the Perl CGI so it dumps user data onto your server or provide a webpage you can wget on mine.

I'd also like to create a YOU'RE UP! confirmation post so users can see a little icon on their screen indicating they connected to you and you're waiting for...?not sure?

[kano]

Bots trying to add accounts get banned.
There's a web site to add an account - use that.
Once you have an account an API key gives you access to gets your stats.
See Help->API when logged in.

[BurningWoodenLeg]

COMPILING CGMINER

Bombs on config.h not found

Stuck

Using LINUX and GCC on a laptop

[kano]

https://kano.is/gekko.php

[BurningWoodenLeg]

Did not see a section on config.h

Is there a page that talks about compiling on Linux?

[kano]

https://kano.is/gekko.php
"Building on linux/ubuntu"

or the README in the git in my sig ...

[BurningWoodenLeg]

Yes that's the page I read - correct - did not see how to get config.h

FOUND THIS but I am not running redhat.

Is there a WGET or CURL command and url or direct link?

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade -y
sudo apt-get install -y build-essential autoconf automake libtool pkg-config libcurl4-openssl-dev libudev-dev libusb-1.0-0-dev libncurses5-dev zlib1g-dev git
cd
git clone https://github.com/kanoi/cgminer.git
cd cgminer
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -fcommon" ./autogen.sh --enable-gekko --enable-icarus
make
sudo apt-get install -y openjdk-8-jre-headless

[kano]

You follow those steps and it generates it ...

If your version of linux does not allow you to follow those steps then you'll need to get support from your version of linux

And no that is not redhat - it is as it says 'ubuntu' - which is debian based

[BurningWoodenLeg]

I think an apt-get normally gets/fetchs a file...not sure

After a couple of those I saw

I saw

sudo apt-get install -y build-essential autoconf automake libtool pkg-config libcurl4-openssl-dev libudev-dev libusb-1.0-0-dev libncurses5-dev zlib1g-dev git

folllwed later by a MAKE

No one in the forums I go to can decypher or would decypher your files for a different distro.

As I think I mentioned I'm try to promote your product to my students but I can tell them you're either too busy or too rich to give a f about those kids OR you can come to HMB and I buy you a beer and we do it together...just a thought.

[BurningWoodenLeg]

Another option...just a thought...

Alot of apt-gits I've seen are just tgz gz or tar files.

I can teach you how to make a TAR file if that'd make it easier.

A zip is fine too...

[kano]

I think an apt-get normally gets/fetchs a file...not sure

After a couple of those I saw

I saw

sudo apt-get install -y build-essential autoconf automake libtool pkg-config libcurl4-openssl-dev libudev-dev libusb-1.0-0-dev libncurses5-dev zlib1g-dev git

folllwed later by a MAKE

No one in the forums I go to can decypher or would decypher your files for a different distro.

As I think I mentioned I'm try to promote your product to my students but I can tell them you're either too busy or too rich to give a f about those kids OR you can come to HMB and I buy you a beer and we do it together...just a thought.

cgminer needs ZERO promotion - and it's free.

You've completely ignored that there is a line between them ... that even you posted

CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -fcommon" ./autogen.sh --enable-gekko --enable-icarus

which uses autogen which is used by most of the linux software you'll ever build from source on any distro

It generates the file based on your linux - that's why I've now told you multiple times to do it ... and all the steps you've supposedly read multiple times, tell you to do it also.

and as I said if you can't run it then go ask your distro
I'm not a random linux free distro support person you can abuse for not supporting your choice of linux distro, if you don't want to use ubuntu, then go get help from the distro you want to use.

And no I don't give lessons on how to use computers, you supposedly do ...

Another option...just a thought...

Alot of apt-gits I've seen are just tgz gz or tar files.

I can teach you how to make a TAR file if that'd make it easier.

A zip is fine too...

yet it wont work ...

[BurningWoodenLeg]

I didn't mean to abuse you and figured you'd be in HMB someday soon and a beer was my pleasure.

Having written software since 1979 in 22 languages on darn near every device made and landing a bride who said "I liked the software so much I married the Progranmer" I thought perhaps I could help you fix your docs and tutorials so more people could access them easier.

You're losing customers...a lot of them...much more than you're acquiring....but are doing well enough so no big deal.

I'll tell the kids to look elsewhere and tell sidehack 30 kids x3-5 boards or $10K\semester just ain't in the pipe on this puppy.

Have a great weekend and let me know if you are ever in HMB - burningwoodenleg@gmail - or want to work up a tutorial EVERYONE can follow.

[kano]

There is no tutorial everyone can follow.
You seem to think that I must write a tutorial for every single version of linux that everyone could ever run.
Not gonna happen.
Whatever version of linux you are running is your choice.

If you use the linux that the simple and easy to follow 'apt' commands work on, it will work.

What your linux needs to have installed, in place of the 'apt' commands, and the random versions it requires - is alas what you have to work out.
Nothing more and nothing less.
Every other step will be the same.

Lesson for you about how git works since forever:
Your comment about a tar file, while you are trying to piss me off with it, is exactly the same effect as the "git clone" command.
Git tar files are only copies of the data the git clone command will give you. Nothing else.

I've only been writing programs since 1977 oh well.
No idea how many languages, too many to remember.
Makes no difference though it you don't understand the basics of building software on linux.

I didn't mean to abuse you and figured you'd be in HMB someday soon and a beer was my pleasure.

Having written software since 1979 in 22 languages on darn near every device made and landing a bride who said "I liked the software so much I married the Progranmer" I thought perhaps I could help you fix your docs and tutorials so more people could access them easier.

You're losing customers...a lot of them...much more than you're acquiring....but are doing well enough so no big deal.

I'll tell the kids to look elsewhere and tell sidehack 30 kids x3-5 boards or $10K\semester just ain't in the pipe on this puppy.

Have a great weekend and let me know if you are ever in HMB - burningwoodenleg@gmail - or want to work up a tutorial EVERYONE can follow.

I don't drink beer, and using threats wont work either - I get nothing from cgminer and I get nothing from the miners sidehack sells.

While I do support sidehack by writing the drivers for him and suggesting the miners to people,
you will find that no one else sells current small USB miners anyway, so you are shooting yourself in the foot with that threat - ouch.

[CryptoHFs]

I don't drink beer

Big like.

[BurningWoodenLeg]

You have a hostile approach towards someone trying to promote your products or suggest tutorials, so I'll stand by the statement you're losing more customers than you acquire.

Your statements about threats is an example; I simply wouldn't ask kids to engage with a product with a hostile support crew or unwillingness to develop sane, easy to follow tutorials rather than trying to lock people into Ubuntu which seems self-destructive. It's like a closed architecture Apple approach and counter to the open source concepts.

Since you have such a long stellar software background I don't know why you wouldn't write a shell script - as I have 1000 times and am sure you have - that generates any missing files required for the compile step. For example if you need the CPU clock speed, port or ram or usb info it'd seem like a piece of cake since you know what data is required, and rather than make it a hard coded file, a simple flat file cfg to be read is common enough.

Normally if I write somrthing I make sure it'll work on a wide variety of systems. Many sites don't and most only test for Chrome browsers...and lose customers. As for a "threat" about usb mining reading your docs implies they may be a waste of money given power issues you described. I'd have thought since you've been doing this for a decade and profit from new users you'd have a fat library of "Here are hardware purchase options" "Here are card vs usb dongle options" "Here are 5-10 different methds of compiling depeding on your platform". You have 1 Linux, a Windows and an Apple which makes the most practical method for a lot of people to compile and run it in Wine...which seems pretty silly, but I know tutorials and making products truly useful to a wide spectrum of people is a pain.

At least it appears you have followers who chuckle at your jokes. Kewl.

Think about it and let me know if you ever decide to expand your tutorial, config and compile horizons.

[CryptoHFs]

You have a hostile approach towards someone trying to promote your products or suggest tutorials, so I'll stand by the statement you're losing more customers than you acquire.

Your statements about threats is an example; I simply wouldn't ask kids to engage with a product with a hostile support crew or unwillingness to develop sane, easy to follow tutorials rather than trying to lock people into Ubuntu which seems self-destructive. It's like a closed architecture Apple approach and counter to the open source concepts.

Since you have such a long stellar software background I don't know why you wouldn't write a shell script - as I have 1000 times and am sure you have - that generates any missing files required for the compile step. For example if you need the CPU clock speed, port or ram or usb info it'd seem like a piece of cake since you know what data is required, and rather than make it a hard coded file, a simple flat file cfg to be read is common enough.

Normally if I write somrthing I make sure it'll work on a wide variety of systems. Many sites don't and most only test for Chrome browsers...and lose customers. As for a "threat" about usb mining reading your docs implies they may be a waste of money given power issues you described. I'd have thought since you've been doing this for a decade and profit from new users you'd have a fat library of "Here are hardware purchase options" "Here are card vs usb dongle options" "Here are 5-10 different methds of compiling depeding on your platform". You have 1 Linux, a Windows and an Apple which makes the most practical method for a lot of people to compile and run it in Wine...which seems pretty silly, but I know tutorials and making products truly useful to a wide spectrum of people is a pain.

At least it appears you have followers who chuckle at your jokes. Kewl.

Think about it and let me know if you ever decide to expand your tutorial, config and compile horizons.

It is not a product, and he is not benefiting anything from it. You can assume that he wrote it for himself however, he put it on public so if you want any add-ons you gotta do it yourself.