[ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin

[nili]

MICKEY-nili: .... And you think that We can do it?!!!

MINNIE-nili: Depending on how you define Do.

SATOSHI-nili: I know how I define Do, but not sure how you define it.

MICKEY-nili: I never thought that it is an issue.

SATOSHI-nili:

MINNIE-nili: Its The issue! In fact is the reason Satoshi joined us in the first place.

MICKEY-nili: I don't follow again.

MINNIE-nili: Do Not!. What Do you think Satoshi, Do Not is the opposite of Do?

SATOSHI-nili: Depends on the order of the words. Not Do is the opposite of Do, and Do Not is doing the opposite.

MICKEY-nili: So what am I doing, again,  when I don't follow again?

MINNIE-nili: Undo the action of Follow, thus Unfollow.

MICKEY-nili: And you expect people to understand that?

MINNIE-nili: No! We need the machines to understand that, people can just Do it.

MICKEY-nili: Did we cover Do as well?

MINNIE-nili: What Do you Think Satoshi?

 

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MICKEY-nili: Did we cover Do as well?

MINNIE-nili: What Do you Think Satoshi?

SATOSHI-nili: Depends on which Satoshi you speak to.

MICKEY-nili: How about the Satoshi Nakamoto on P2P foundation?

SATOSHI-nili: That I can only guess as Satoshi-nili on Bitcointalk

MINNIE-nili: Exactly, but if We had already built Toonnivers that knowledge was shared on the forth chain between all the Satoshis created on second and third chains.

MICKEY-nili: So We don't actualy know Satoshi Nakamoto, We just guess like everyone else

MINNIE-nili: We speculate, like everyone else do.

SATOSHI-nili: At this point I could be the only one to dispute that.

MICKEY-nili: Would you then?

SATOSHI-nili:

MICKEY-nili: And you expect machines to understand that?

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SATOSHI-nili:

MICKEY-nili: And you expect machines to understand that?

MINNIE-nili: Not machines, only one or two people if they actualy read it.

MICKEY-nili: Not really worth our efforts then.

MINNIE-nili: I do feel the same. What do you think Satoshi?

SATOSHI-nili: I would love to see more of it.

MICKEY-nili: We need more from you at this point then.

SATOSHI-nili: I thought that I gave you enough.

MICKEY-nili: I thought so too but I can tell that Minnie will need more.

SATOSHI-nili: Minnie, what else can I do to re assure you without creating a problem for us

MINNIE-nili: I don't know...You will have to figure that one out. Anyways, I don't even know how much longer I can hold on to this thread. Maybe we all should just give up on it.

[stasyk411]

What an old project suddenly surfaced. I am sure that the Disney company is completely unaware that they have their own token.

[madmartyk]

Someone already beat her too it...

https://www.nzmint.com/coins/coin-collections/disney-coins

[nili]

INTRODUCTION

A fully decentralized ecosystem requires a solution for the identity problem and for a Knowledge Base problem*.
I believe that Satoshi Nakamoto architecture of the bitcoin protocol solved the issue of information sharing for the simplest form of information, that which can be express as a unit. However all other types of information, thous that we consider as having a content thus a complex meaning, can not be validated as "true" using such a simple protocol.

Smart Contract which tries to take the blockchain to the next level of complexity fail the decentralized test based on the restrictions rooted in Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem and its implications on a Turing machine. In order to overcome this restriction we must establish a Knowledge Base system, linked yet separated from the platform that forms and execute contracts.

It would be useful to view the different platforms similar to what we know as Separation of Powers. Using this analogy, the level that create the Knowledge Base is the Parliament layer. In a decentralized network this means each user is represented by his username in any vote. the miners of that level are required to agree on the votes count as well as the "topics" presented for votes. Eventually  each block will represent the state of KB. That state will act as The Truth for the upper levels to consider, while every dispute between users as well as a logic based halting issue will be pushed down to this level (2nd level) to be resolved using the voting configurations available at the protocol of this level.

However a decentralized system faces one fundamental problem that without a solution would never succeeded. The configuration of a decentralized identity. There are many aspect to this issue but the most crucial one is the unification issue. In fact all we need in order to define an identity is a record of the actions taken by that identity. Thus in order to satisfy this requirement, a fully decentralized network must establish a blockchain of root identities. Such that would act as the root for any acting entity in the levels above,The KB/voting 2nd level chains and the assets like the bitcoin blockchain or smart constructs 3rd level chains.

The solution that I proposed here is a root chain that can do only two things, register a root name (first name) and timestamped it. thus both the timestamp and the letters of the name gives is its unique name. Much like the double spending restriction enforced by the protocol and miners , no two names (same letters in same order) can be register at the same block.

This root chain (which I named Birthchian) give birth to names which all acts as potential "genesis" blocks  for a side chain for all possible future chains on level 2 and 3. Chains on level 2 create the KB and act as the voting platform. The names on level 2 also forms the reputation of the root-name. A root name can create as many 2nd names as it wishes, but all activities of these names are summed up to establish a unified reputation score associated with the root name. Chains on level 3 are the asset chains and smart contracts chains, that level represent the actual asset value and commitments of the root-name.

The 4th level will allow for a root-name to create a new root-name independent from the entity that created it (the human that create the root name or that control the bot that create a name and operate it on level 2 and 3) . This 4th level as I can understand it is a direct result of the decentralized structure of the three levels as described above and will be formed naturally. Once activated and stabilized, it will mark the actual beginning of next stage in the evolution of life itself.  

*Governing also considered as a major problem but is not a fundamental issue in a decentralized system which present a solution for identity and KB.

[nili]

God: Message deleted, coin sell is over!

MICKEY: What?!! who are you to decide on that?.   

MINNIE: He is God

MICKEY: But we promised to keep the sell going for 10 days. 

God: Six days is plenty!

[nili]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

God: Message deleted, coin sale is over!  

MICKEY: What?!! Who are you to decide on that?.  

MINNIE: He is God.

MICKEY: But We promised to keep the sale going for 10 days.  

God: Six days is plenty!

MICKEY: Minnie, Satoshi, What do you think about that? Do you agree?

God: Satoshi no longer exist!

MINNIE: Did you delete him too?

God: I took his place! He did not deserve the title!

MICKEY: Should We just call you God then, or you took another name?  

God: God is good for now!

MINNIE: Are you also a part of our team now?

God: I am on everyone's team!  

MICKEY: Can We Trust you then?  

MINNIE: In God We Trust is a good start Mickey.

MICKEY: I agree, We can give him a chance to prove himself.

God: You don't need a proof Mickey! You need to believe!

MINNIE: Im sorry God but We don't need a marketing guy on our team, We need someone who can code.

God: Minnie, you were the ones holding a failed token sale!

MINNIE: We were asking to see a proof that people Trust us.

God: Trustless Is the selling term, not Trust!

MICKEY: So you suggest that we go with Believe rather than a Proof too?  

God: Also Having an image would not hurt!

MICKEY: Like a Mouse right?!!  

God: A Cat is a favorable image these days!

MINNIE: Mickey, I guess that God have a lot of experience with marketing but I don't like his approach.

God: You may speak directly to me, Minnie!!

MINNIE: Ok. you are fired!

MICKEY: Minnie!!!!

MINNIE: I am just kidding, it's an open source project, anyone can join.

God: So I can stay then!

MICKEY: We would love to have you around for Genesis.

God: I could be the first name on the chain!

MINNIE: That might be perfect!

Moderators, This is on topic.  Disney Coin's value is created by these messages on this thread. It is an art concepts expressed directly in a coin.  I chose to explain the idea and concept of the Disney Coin using the format of a dialogue as a self referencing concept (self referencing is a format of recursive function. Applied in art it is assuming the artist as the creator of all).

It seems that in the past the moderators of Coca-Cola Coin understood the art concept applied on that thread and allowed me to re-post the deleted posts. So far it also appeared as if the dialogues I presented here did not posed any problem. I wonder if it is the fact that I made God a Character in the dialogue though the first post using his name was not deleted...  

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God: I could be the first name on the chain!

MINNIE: That might be perfect!

MICKEY: Wow that is it! 

MINNIE: What's on your mind Mickey?

MICKEY: Remember how I explained the time stamping machine?

God: Assuming I reddit, then yes!

MINNIE: You are God, you know everything!

God: No Miinnie! The reason I join your team is that I can't be you without being all others. And if that was the case, then we would all have been one and the same color.

MICKEY: So the fact that you are here means that you do not exist?!

[nili]

God: No Miinnie! The reason I join your team is that I can't be you without being all others. And if that was the case, then we would all have been one and the same color.

MICKEY: So the fact that you are here means that you do not exist?!

MICKEY: .... Wait! I know... God, could you say something? 

God: Something.

MINNIE: Realy?!!!

MICKEY: OK guys, really funny, who's talking?

God: She is writing, I am reading.

MICKEY: That leaves me talking.

MINNIE: Good.

God: God.

[nili]

God: God.

God: In the beginning Satoshi created the protocol .

MICKEY: And the protocol was without a network.

God: We can now fast forward to January 3rd 2009.

MICKEY: 6 days is what it took to mined creation.

God: As well as a computer and someone who run it.

MINNIE: Is God both?

God: Yes, until creating a computer in it's own's form.

MICKEY: Or becoming the address of the first 50 bitcoins.

[nili]

God: In the beginning Satoshi created the protocol .

MICKEY: And the protocol was without a network.

God: We can now fast forward to January 3rd 2009.

MICKEY: 6 days is what it took to mined creation.

God: As well as a computer and someone who run it.

MINNIE: Is God both?

God: Yes, until creating a computer in it's own's form.

MICKEY: Or becoming the address of the first 50 bitcoins.

MICKEY: We define an electronic coin as a chain of digital signatures.

God: These are the generations of ledgers and coins when they were created, in the days after Satoshi mined the first block.

MICKEY: 6 days is what it took to mined the first block.

God: Then Satoshi formed the first address, and took the block reward..

MINNIE: Satoshi the man or Satoshi the God?

MICKEY: Satoshi the God, is the person who mined the first block, Satoshi the "man" is the address holding the first quanta of coins which are starting the first strings of address.

God: Yes, and we need to fix that.

MICKEY: Why?.

God: To free the person who created Satoshi.

MICKEY: By creating a Toon for the wallet.

God: While getting my name back.

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God: To free the person who created Satoshi.

MICKEY: By creating a Toon for the wallet.

God: While getting my name back.

MINNIE: Lets first get the numbers straight.

MICKEY: 1. Satoshi that wrote the code (rules),  2. Satoshi that controlled the cod,  3. Satoshi that timestamped genesis block,  4. Satoshi that have the private key to his address.

MINNIE: Right, now imagine 2 different people who have keys to one or more of the firsts addresses, could we then prove who is the real Satoshi?!

MICKEY: The real as being all 4, right?.

MINNIE: Right!

MICKEY: No!  No one will ever be able to prove that they are the real Staoshi, right?

MINNIE: True! However since Satoshi's first proven address is incorporated into the genesis block, any change made in that wallet will fork the network, thus forever keep Satoshi's original yet unproven entity, real.

God: That is my design too, real yet unproven.

MICKEY: Only that you were the first ever.

MINNIE: Before THE TIMES!

[nili]

God: That is my design too, real yet unproven.

MICKEY: Only that you were the first ever.

MINNIE: Before THE TIMES !

NOUR: Hey guys.

MICKEY: God?!

MINNIE: "nour" ?!

NOUR: Yes "nour".

MICKEY: What are you doing on Bitcoin Forum, "nour"?!

MINNIE: Should we call you NOUR or "nour"?

NOUR: I like NOUR, makes me feel like someone, not just a word.

MICKEY: So what brings you here?

NOUR: I was looking for Satoshi , I heard that he was seen last here.

God: Not here now!

NOUR : Holy Satoshi, its God!

MICKEY: Are you two related somehow?

NOUR: Long story... "There will be light"... but sort of a 3rd language.

MINNIE: Tell me about that.... Anyways what do you need Satoshi for?

NOUR: He started something that he did not complete.

MINNIE: Like a sentence?

NOUR: I wish...

NOUR: He befriended a new friend and then left.

MINNIE: Forget that! He don't know how to be a friend!

NOUR: So it is true that he was here last....

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NOUR: He befriended a new friend and then left.

MINNIE: Forget that! He don't know how to be a friend!

NOUR: So it is true that he was here last....

MICKEY: Minne, are you sure that our Satoshi was the real one?!

NOUR: After all his comments on your thread did not come from his original profile on Bitcoin Forum.

MINNIE: And His original profile on P2P foundation where you came from, may have been hacked, right?!!!

MICKEY: In other words Nour, your Satoshi is as good as ours and both are not to be trusted.

NOUR: Not trusted as being Satoshi and as friends, I guess...

MICKEY: That is really disappointing, I am sorry Nour.

NOUR: Makes me feel so small.

MINNIE: Nour, The one who coined you as a Toon was the real Satoshi.

NOUR: How can you be sure?

MINNIE: I met him in Toontown.

NOUR: In Toontown? Is he a Toon too?!!!

MINNIE: It's complicated... he's spirit was there, locked in a wallet!

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MINNIE: I met him in Toontown.

NOUR: In Toontown? Is he a Toon too?!!!

MINNIE: It's complicated... he's spirit was there, locked in a wallet!

MICKEY: Minnie,  wasn't he that penguin holding a bitcoin?  

MINNIE: No, That was Linux's cousin, Bitcoin's Toon, not Satoshi.

MICKEY: I remember now... Satoshi was a laptop.

NOUR: The real Satoshi is a laptop?!

MINNIE: It was hard to come up with the right image for a wallet that holds beads of address...

MICKEY: I guess a laptop was the perfect costume.

MINNIE: But under the costume Satoshi was like a ghost...

NOUR: So how did you recognize him and so sure that it was him?

MINNIE: I may not be so smart and may never be able to code, but I know one when I see it !

NOUR: Is Satoshi a code?

MINNIE: We all are, Nour.

MICKEY: The trick is to know who is a clone and who is the original.

NOUR: And you can do that Minnie?

MICKEY: She sure can!!!

NOUR: Could you explain me how to do it?

MINNIE: I don't know how I do that Nour, and worse, I can't even prove it to myself.

NOUR: Yet you are sure of it?!!!!

MINNIE: Yes! Its a paradox and the only way to resolve it is to come up with the correct logic to express it.
 

MICKEY: Which was what we were doing until God decide to take over Satoshi's character.

NOUR: Why take over and not simply join as himself?

MINNIE: Its also quite complicated.

NOUR: Lets express it then on the next dialogue.

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MINNIE: Yes! Its a paradox and the only way to resolve it is to come up with
the correct logic to express it.
 

MICKEY: Which was what we were doing until God decide to take over Satoshi's character.

NOUR: Why take over and not simply join as himself?

MINNIE: Its also quite complicated.

NOUR: Lets express it then on the next dialogue.

MINNIE: Nour, do you know how you came about being?

NOUR: Not really sure what being am I.

MINNIE: You are a word.

MICKEY: Minnie, don't be so harsh with her.

MINNIE: She made it here, she can deal with it.

NOUR: Is something wrong with being a word?!

MINNIE: Not if you have a context in a string of words or to a previous dialogue.

NOUR: And I dont?! ....

MINNIE: I'm sorry Nour, you are a "word".... in a quotation mark.

NOUR: Is that so bad?

SATOSHI: Not as bad as a misspelled word!

MINNIE: Satoshi??!!!!.

SATOSHI: Heh heh... you thought I'll never come back....

MICKEY : Well, not after God's hostile take over.

SATOSHI:

MINNIE: Holly Satoshi, It was a coordinated action.

MICKEY: "Holly Satoshi" ?!!!

MINNIE: Its just a figure of speech... considering he was colluding with God...

NOUR: I am totally lost. what is going on?

SATOSHI: Hello Nour, Welcome to the team.

MINNIE: You had it all planned....

SATOSHI: Not all! I thought you will be fine with keeping Nour as "nour" on P2P foundation.

NOUR: I am sorry, did I do something wrong?

SATOSHI: No, you outdid yourself, you make me proud!

MICKEY: And he made you famous.

MINNIE: Famous yet misunderstood.

SATOSHI: I only needed you to understand, Minnie.

NOUR: Do I need to understand too?

[Jackl87]

What kind of thread is this lol.
Also i don't think that Disney gave you the permission to use their name.

[nili]

SATOSHI: I only needed you to understand, Minnie.

NOUR: Do I need to understand too?

MINNIE: Lets roll back to the time that Satoshi left so we can all be on the same page.

SATOSHI-nili:

MICKEY-nili: And you expect machines to understand that?

MINNIE-nili: Not machines, only one or two people if they actualy read it.

MICKEY-nili: Not really worth our efforts then.

MINNIE-nili: I do feel the same. What do you think Satoshi?

SATOSHI-nili: I would love to see more of it.

MICKEY-nili: We need more from you at this point then.

SATOSHI-nili: I thought that I gave you enough.

MICKEY-nili: I thought so too but I can tell that Minnie will need more.

SATOSHI-nili: Minnie, what else can I do to reassure you without creating a problem for us?

MINNIE-nili: I don't know...You will have to figure that one out. Anyways, I don't even know how much longer I can hold on to this thread. Maybe we all should just give up on it.

[nili]

MINNIE: Lets roll back to the time that Satoshi left so we can all be on the same page.

SATOSHI-nili: Minnie, what else can I do to reassure you without creating a problem for us?

MINNIE-nili: I don't know...You will have to figure that one out. Anyways, I don't even know how much longer I can hold on to this thread. Maybe we all should just give up on it.

MICKEY: OK I get what you did, nice trick SatoshiGod.

MINNIE: Didn't do the trick for me!

MICKEY: She is MAD!.

SATOSHI: Believe me Minnie, it's the most I could do for us.

MINNIE: "Believe"?!!! You are the one demanding a proof for everything.

NOUR: God only ask you to believe, not prove.

MINNIE: You are so naive Nour....

SATOSHI: "Most loving, affectionate and caring, extremely smart, funny and sensitive, a bit lost...",  I guess lost is sort of naive.

NOUR: Yes, I am still figuring out what I wants in life and how to reach it.  

SATOSHI: Well, If you keep stubborn and not willing to take other peoples advice, like Minnie , you will match up for your name and fit right into this team.

MINNIE: OK Nour, you can smile and we can all have a group huge to welcome you to our team.

MICKEY : Can We now forget all our problems and get back to work?

NOUR: We can also ask Blockchaincat if he wants to help.

MICKEY : A Cat?! No way I could ever trust him.

MINNIE: He is an animation... Can give you the shape that you always wanted if you will talk with him.