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March 14, 2013, 09:44:57 AM
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Doesn't seem to want to work here. I'll try again later.All good now |
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pyramining (OP)
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March 14, 2013, 11:31:33 AM |
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About payouts: I'm waiting for ABCPool to unlock payouts. It shouldn't affect earnings once they do it.
About website: There has been a problem with the power on the premises, also miners have been affected for about 2 hours. Now it is solved.
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jargoman
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March 14, 2013, 01:27:19 PM |
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Thanks Smoov  Because I'm not clear on the bonus details, I guess I'm just not sure if it works out better to say put 100btc in a new account with the original as a sponsor, or create 10 accounts all linked to each other with 10btc in each. Or for that matter, 10 accounts with 10btc all linked to the one initial account... The formula is (( referrals total deposit / sponsor deposit) / 10 ). Let's assume you deposit 1 BTC and then 100 BTC as referral, your sponsor bonus will be 10 + (( 100 / 1 ) / 10 ) * 100 = 1010% => 10.1 BTC from your sponsor account and 110 from yor referral => 120.1BTC. The same if you deposit your 100 in 10 separated referral accounts: 10.1 from sponsor + 11 * 10 from your referrals. Right, so you're actually better off depositing a small amount initially, then following that up with a large referral... I actually deposited 30BTC as my initial chunk, so adding 100BTC in a referral account doesn't seem to work out as well  Damn, I wish you would have used me as a referral. Most people would deposit a small amount in the first account and chain it down from there and since bonus's go up three levels it's best to make a chain of accounts at least 4 levels down. Example if I were you I would have done something like this : 0.1 > 0.2 > 0.3 > 29.3 > 100 Oh sorry dude, I might end up making more accounts so I'll keep you in mind if I do With your suggestion though, as the rewards only go up three levels, that first account will never do anything will it (it'll never get to a 1BTC payout? Or will the 29.3 be feeding that...). It'd be awesome if there were a calculator site for pyramining that let you easily test out scenarios each deposit rewards itself 10% then 15% goes to one level up, then 7.5% and then 7.5% If the one of them finishes their "cut" of your hashing power goes up the chain if ANY accounts up the chain haven't completed yet. Sorry, could you clarify that part, I think a word is missing somewhere (and it might make a big difference where ). Do you agree that the 0.1 > 0.2 > 0.3 > 29.3 > 100 is the best way to go as well? Thanks! btharper is right. After doing some reading it seems it's the hashing power that goes up 3 levels but yes I still think that is a good strategy except the upper levels will complete before the lower ones and you'd have to redeposit a small amount again to receive the bonus in the upper accounts. Basically sponsers get a bonus so it's a good idea to be your own sponsor. Another strategy I thought of was 0.1 > 0.1 > 0.1 > 0.001 > 129 because is would cause the 0.0001 account to complete very quickly and you could recieve awards quicker and keep redepositing the 0.001. |
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Nikolaj06
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March 14, 2013, 04:30:35 PM |
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Thanks Smoov Because I'm not clear on the bonus details, I guess I'm just not sure if it works out better to say put 100btc in a new account with the original as a sponsor, or create 10 accounts all linked to each other with 10btc in each. Or for that matter, 10 accounts with 10btc all linked to the one initial account... The formula is (( referrals total deposit / sponsor deposit) / 10 ). Let's assume you deposit 1 BTC and then 100 BTC as referral, your sponsor bonus will be 10 + (( 100 / 1 ) / 10 ) * 100 = 1010% => 10.1 BTC from your sponsor account and 110 from yor referral => 120.1BTC. The same if you deposit your 100 in 10 separated referral accounts: 10.1 from sponsor + 11 * 10 from your referrals. Right, so you're actually better off depositing a small amount initially, then following that up with a large referral... I actually deposited 30BTC as my initial chunk, so adding 100BTC in a referral account doesn't seem to work out as well Damn, I wish you would have used me as a referral. Most people would deposit a small amount in the first account and chain it down from there and since bonus's go up three levels it's best to make a chain of accounts at least 4 levels down. Example if I were you I would have done something like this : 0.1 > 0.2 > 0.3 > 29.3 > 100 Oh sorry dude, I might end up making more accounts so I'll keep you in mind if I do With your suggestion though, as the rewards only go up three levels, that first account will never do anything will it (it'll never get to a 1BTC payout? Or will the 29.3 be feeding that...). It'd be awesome if there were a calculator site for pyramining that let you easily test out scenarios each deposit rewards itself 10% then 15% goes to one level up, then 7.5% and then 7.5% If the one of them finishes their "cut" of your hashing power goes up the chain if ANY accounts up the chain haven't completed yet. Sorry, could you clarify that part, I think a word is missing somewhere (and it might make a big difference where ). Do you agree that the 0.1 > 0.2 > 0.3 > 29.3 > 100 is the best way to go as well? Thanks! btharper is right. After doing some reading it seems it's the hashing power that goes up 3 levels but yes I still think that is a good strategy except the upper levels will complete before the lower ones and you'd have to redeposit a small amount again to receive the bonus in the upper accounts. Basically sponsers get a bonus so it's a good idea to be your own sponsor. Another strategy I thought of was 0.1 > 0.1 > 0.1 > 0.001 > 129 because is would cause the 0.0001 account to complete very quickly and you could recieve awards quicker and keep redepositing the 0.001. Just to make it one quote longer.. I'm 100% sure that it's income which is distributed among the sponsors. Taken from the F.A.Q.'s "30% of your income will be sent upwards: 15% of your income will be sent to your sponsor. 7.5% to the 2nd grade sponsor and 7.5% to the 3rd grade sponsor" It's also seen in action at the guy with the second highest bonus, who've deposited 10 BTC, but payouts are at 344 BTC and counting.. ( http://pyramining.com/account/browse?id=s9q3bxy8) |
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Nikolaj06
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March 14, 2013, 04:43:27 PM |
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Hey Pyramining, I have a question regarding the ASIC Hashing power/BTC.. I checked around 2-3 months ago, and at that time the amount of hashing power received per dollars spent, was higher than that of any of the ASIC-products on the market. But right now it's 0.7 BTC/GH or equivalent 32$ per GH, where BFL is standing at 20$ per GH.
How come? Was the price higher than initially anticipated? Does that mean that early investors are getting more bang for buck than anyone investing now, or do they get less than expected?
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btharper
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March 14, 2013, 06:07:52 PM |
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If the one of them finishes their "cut" of your hashing power goes up the chain if ANY accounts up the chain haven't completed yet.
Sorry, could you clarify that part, I think a word is missing somewhere (and it might make a big difference where ). Do you agree that the 0.1 > 0.2 > 0.3 > 29.3 > 100 is the best way to go as well? Thanks! btharper is right. After doing some reading it seems it's the hashing power that goes up 3 levels but yes I still think that is a good strategy except the upper levels will complete before the lower ones and you'd have to redeposit a small amount again to receive the bonus in the upper accounts. Basically sponsers get a bonus so it's a good idea to be your own sponsor. Another strategy I thought of was 0.1 > 0.1 > 0.1 > 0.001 > 129 because is would cause the 0.0001 account to complete very quickly and you could recieve awards quicker and keep redepositing the 0.001. Just to make it one quote longer.. I'm 100% sure that it's income which is distributed among the sponsors. Taken from the F.A.Q.'s "30% of your income will be sent upwards: 15% of your income will be sent to your sponsor. 7.5% to the 2nd grade sponsor and 7.5% to the 3rd grade sponsor" It's also seen in action at the guy with the second highest bonus, who've deposited 10 BTC, but payouts are at 344 BTC and counting.. ( http://pyramining.com/account/browse?id=s9q3bxy8) Snipping out some quotes for sanity's sake. The income that goes up is in terms of income received, they get 30% of what you would have made. The total amounts everyone gets is still the same though. Higher level accounts just get their payout faster. If you have 100 MH/s of equivalent speed, you earn 70MH/s worth and 30MH/s gets paid to your sponsors (or their sponsors, or further up the chain). Everyone still makes the same final amount based on the earlier formula. Accounts with sponsors who haven't received their full return just effectively earn more slowly. So for a (relatively) short explanation: * Deposit 1 BTC in A (A) -- A will get 1.05 BTC (1 + 5%) back as an original member (you can not join at the top level any longer) * A gets a referral, B, who deposits 1 BTC (A > B) -- B will get 1.1 BTC (1 + 10%) -- A's Bonus will increase according to the above formula (the simple version is 10% of the referrals deposit in BTC) -- A will get an additional 0.1 (based on the higher bonus) for a total of 1.15 (1 + 5% original bonus + 10% of B) -- A gets rewarded faster based on getting 30% of B's income (as hashing speed), but the total rewards are unchanged * A gets another referral C for 1 BTC (A > B, A > C) -- C gets 1.1 -- A gets an additional 0.1 for a total of 1.25 -- B doesn't change -- A goes even faster * B gets a referral for 0.5 BTC (A > B > D, A > C) -- A doesn't change (only the immediate sponsor gets a higher reward) -- B gets an additional 0.05 -- B goes faster -- A goes faster -- No changes to C So you can effectively mine faster with referrals, and of course your total reward goes up too. Your sponsor(s) all the way up the chain (to A in the example) that haven't received their full bonus get to borrow some of your hashing power, but you still make just as much. As for the best scheme for investing your own coin, scaling up exponentially is the best scheme I've come up with 0.1 > 1 > 10. Small deposits with larger referrals get you close to 20% overall bonus. I would also suggest having everything come out to your own wallet and manually reinvesting with pyramining instead of using the payout from one directly into another. It allows you to get out quicker if you want to and you can pick the account it goes to. If anyone found this particularly fun or just wants to be my referral, click here (or PM me for a fresh one). |
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Nikolaj06
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March 14, 2013, 07:48:47 PM |
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I was sure that it worked like this:
We have account A, B, C and D, referrals are like this A -> B -> C -> D
A starts out with 1 BTC deposit and because he has no sponsor his initial reward will be a total of 1.05 BTC
B adds another BTC, because he has a sponsor his initial reward will turn out to be 1.10 BTC. A recieves 15% of the income generated by B untill B reaches 1.10 bitcoins, so A will add 1.10*0.15= 0.165 BTC to his reward giving a total reward of 1.215 BTC.
C also adds 1 BTC, his initial reward is 1.10 BTC, B's reward increases to 1.215 (same as A did in previous step), and A's reward increases by 1.10*0.075= 0.0825 BTC for a total of 1.2935 BTC.
Now here comes the big investment
D adds 100 BTC, making his total reward 110 BTC. This gives C 110*0.15=16.5 BTC extra reward and A and B gets 8.25 BTC each.
Total rewards turn out to be
A=1.05+0.165+0.0825+8.25= 9.5435 BTC
B= 1.10+0.165+8.25= 9.44 BTC
C= 1.10+16.5= 17.6 BTC
D= 110
Total reward= 146.6 BTC
If this is not the case, Pyramining seriously needs to edit their F.A.Q's..
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pyramining (OP)
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March 14, 2013, 08:08:11 PM |
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Hey Pyramining, I have a question regarding the ASIC Hashing power/BTC.. I checked around 2-3 months ago, and at that time the amount of hashing power received per dollars spent, was higher than that of any of the ASIC-products on the market. But right now it's 0.7 BTC/GH or equivalent 32$ per GH, where BFL is standing at 20$ per GH.
How come? Was the price higher than initially anticipated? Does that mean that early investors are getting more bang for buck than anyone investing now, or do they get less than expected?
As we approach the results, costs gets defined better. This is the real/final cost of the first batch of devices, and they include also corrections on first design. The first batch will indeed cost more than predicted. However I expect prices to drop in time, starting already at the second batch. Early investors will be given their promised hashrate, if I understimated the costs it's my fault. They have also had an higher "risk" investing, so I think it's fair that they have an advantage. |
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simonk83
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March 14, 2013, 10:55:21 PM |
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I was sure that it worked like this:
We have account A, B, C and D, referrals are like this A -> B -> C -> D
A starts out with 1 BTC deposit and because he has no sponsor his initial reward will be a total of 1.05 BTC
B adds another BTC, because he has a sponsor his initial reward will turn out to be 1.10 BTC. A recieves 15% of the income generated by B untill B reaches 1.10 bitcoins, so A will add 1.10*0.15= 0.165 BTC to his reward giving a total reward of 1.215 BTC.
C also adds 1 BTC, his initial reward is 1.10 BTC, B's reward increases to 1.215 (same as A did in previous step), and A's reward increases by 1.10*0.075= 0.0825 BTC for a total of 1.2935 BTC.
Now here comes the big investment
D adds 100 BTC, making his total reward 110 BTC. This gives C 110*0.15=16.5 BTC extra reward and A and B gets 8.25 BTC each.
Total rewards turn out to be
A=1.05+0.165+0.0825+8.25= 9.5435 BTC
B= 1.10+0.165+8.25= 9.44 BTC
C= 1.10+16.5= 17.6 BTC
D= 110
Total reward= 146.6 BTC
If this is not the case, Pyramining seriously needs to edit their F.A.Q's..
Yeah, a bit of clarification would be good... |
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jargoman
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March 15, 2013, 01:29:55 AM |
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simonk83 I think it's you who used my referral. I have a promotion, if someone uses my referral I will match their deposit in a new account using them as referal. Give me your referal link and I will deposit 0.1. It's not much but every satoshi counts. Anyone else who uses my links be sure to pm me because I don't know how to get the referal links of those I have sponsored. blah pyramining is hard to explain lol.
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btharper
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March 15, 2013, 06:34:37 AM |
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I was sure that it worked like this:
We have account A, B, C and D, referrals are like this A -> B -> C -> D
A starts out with 1 BTC deposit and because he has no sponsor his initial reward will be a total of 1.05 BTC
B adds another BTC, because he has a sponsor his initial reward will turn out to be 1.10 BTC. A recieves 15% of the income generated by B untill B reaches 1.10 bitcoins, so A will add 1.10*0.15= 0.165 BTC to his reward giving a total reward of 1.215 BTC.
C also adds 1 BTC, his initial reward is 1.10 BTC, B's reward increases to 1.215 (same as A did in previous step), and A's reward increases by 1.10*0.075= 0.0825 BTC for a total of 1.2935 BTC.
Now here comes the big investment
D adds 100 BTC, making his total reward 110 BTC. This gives C 110*0.15=16.5 BTC extra reward and A and B gets 8.25 BTC each.
Total rewards turn out to be
A=1.05+0.165+0.0825+8.25= 9.5435 BTC
B= 1.10+0.165+8.25= 9.44 BTC
C= 1.10+16.5= 17.6 BTC
D= 110
Total reward= 146.6 BTC
If this is not the case, Pyramining seriously needs to edit their F.A.Q's..
Yeah, a bit of clarification would be good... That is not the case. Deposits of A (1) > B (1) > C (1) > D (100) Would lead to rewards of A (1.15) > B (1.2) > C (11.1) > D (110) Hashing speed bonus goes up multiple levels. Bonus rewards ONLY go up ONE level. |
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simonk83
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March 15, 2013, 07:17:46 AM |
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simonk83 I think it's you who used my referral. I have a promotion, if someone uses my referral I will match their deposit in a new account using them as referal. Give me your referal link and I will deposit 0.1. It's not much but every satoshi counts. Anyone else who uses my links be sure to pm me because I don't know how to get the referal links of those I have sponsored. blah pyramining is hard to explain lol.
It was indeed, and thanks for that Hmm, which account would be best to recieve the referall... the 0.1, the 0.2, 0.3, 29.3 or 100... |
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Raoul Duke
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March 15, 2013, 07:22:16 AM |
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simonk83 I think it's you who used my referral. I have a promotion, if someone uses my referral I will match their deposit in a new account using them as referal. Give me your referal link and I will deposit 0.1. It's not much but every satoshi counts. Anyone else who uses my links be sure to pm me because I don't know how to get the referal links of those I have sponsored. blah pyramining is hard to explain lol.
It was indeed, and thanks for that Hmm, which account would be best to recieve the referall... the 0.1, the 0.2, 0.3, 29.3 or 100... The 0.1 one because that's the one that is under him. Don't even try... |
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Nikolaj06
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March 15, 2013, 08:31:55 AM |
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That is not the case.
Deposits of A (1) > B (1) > C (1) > D (100)
Would lead to rewards of A (1.15) > B (1.2) > C (11.1) > D (110)
Hashing speed bonus goes up multiple levels. Bonus rewards ONLY go up ONE level.
If that's really the case then an update of the F.A.Q.'s is REALLY needed, because that is NOT what it says on the home page.. From reading them, I'd think I would get at least some sort of additional income from my referrals' referrals and my referrals' referrals' referrals.. Since it uses the actual word INCOME.. Pyramining, could you confirm btharper's statement? If you do, please edit the information... |
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pyramining (OP)
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March 15, 2013, 08:57:42 AM |
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Pyramining, could you confirm btharper's statement? If you do, please edit the information...
Your account's bonus depends only on your referral deposits (1 level). Your account's income depends on referrals and referrals of referrals (3 levels). So, if you deposit 1 bitcoin, you will be rewarded 1.10 (1 + 10% bonus). If you get a referral and he deposits 1 bitcoin, you will be rewarded 1.20 (1 + 10% bonus + 10% from referrals). If your referral gets a referral which deposits 1 bitcoin, you will be rewarded 1.20, and your referral will be rewarded 1.20. If the mining activity generates 1 BTC per account, you would receive 1 BTC from mining, 0.075 from your 2nd level referral, 0.15 from your first level referral. You would send 0.18375 to your sponsor, 0.091875 to your 2nd level sponsor and 0.091875 to your 3rd level sponsor, if any. If you think I should explain this better, I will try working on it. I'm accepting advices to improove the F.A.Q. section. |
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simonk83
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March 15, 2013, 09:11:07 AM |
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Pyramining, could you confirm btharper's statement? If you do, please edit the information...
Your account's bonus depends only on your referral deposits (1 level). Your account's income depends on referrals and referrals of referrals (3 levels). So, if you deposit 1 bitcoin, you will be rewarded 1.10 (1 + 10% bonus). If you get a referral and he deposits 1 bitcoin, you will be rewarded 1.20 (1 + 10% bonus + 10% from referrals). If your referral gets a referral which deposits 1 bitcoin, you will be rewarded 1.20, and your referral will be rewarded 1.20. If the mining activity generates 1 BTC per account, you would receive 1 BTC from mining, 0.075 from your 2nd level referral, 0.15 from your first level referral. You would send 0.18375 to your sponsor, 0.091875 to your 2nd level sponsor and 0.091875 to your 3rd level sponsor, if any. If you think I should explain this better, I will try working on it. I'm accepting advices to improove the F.A.Q. section. Some sort of test calculator would be extremely handy |
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simonk83
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March 15, 2013, 12:00:22 PM |
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Very nice, thanks Can I suggest an option to add a new line, in case people want to calculate more than 4 layers? Just a nice to have |
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