Bitcoin is satanic and Satoshi is lucifer! My uncle claims!

[cuddaloreappu]

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I want to tell you guys before you read this,  I belong to an Hindu family but I am not a very religious person and I believe in science and tech more than anything!

But I could not sleep yesterday guys..this is why

My uncle(dad's friend) came home after a long time, He is a doctor, knows little about tech and he is a converted christian( from hinduism), he is now deep into theology. I decided I should tell him about bitcoin and convince him to make him buy  bitcoin!

We watched  Rise and rise of bitcoin, about the price history charts and all good side of information out there regarding bitcoin. He was so excited to listen and asked a lot of questions and I answered them all( felt like Andreas Antop for a moment). At last he asked who invented bitcoin? I said about Satoshi and all the mystery behind them! I could see his face turn deeply skeptical! He then left to sleep!

The next day he came to me and asked me to say  about the early creators of bitcoin, I told him about Hal finney, the sad death and cryo preservation! He said to find me if there is a political moment or an ideology that unites all those very early adopters( finney, Nick szabo, etc) and the least i could come with is Extropianism and hence we began taking a lot about transhumanism, singularity and so on for a lot of time.

The Extropian Roots of Bitcoin

Finney subscribing to extropians at lucifer.com

See the extropy institute is recommended @ lucifer.com

the next day(yesterday) he just came to me and said "In my life I wont ever touch this bitcoin, it is just satan's tool to create a one world currency for the one world government. Satoshi is just satan mark my words he will never be revealed or even if revealed it will be a proxy becuase this is the way satan works! from behind". He said you will become a millionaire or even billionaire if you hold on even a few bitcoins, because it is sure to take over the world.

He advised me to search the internet for the relevance of this extropianism and satanism and you will find the truth!

Now the more I search the more it gets scary, I am harcore pro transhumanism and pro singularity but am shocked to find that the theological world has this opposing view towards extrpianism, bitcoin, singularity and transhumanism!

Transhumanism and the Singularity: Elite Obsession with the Übermensch

The Singularity: Science’s Quest For Immortality And Satan’s Deception

THE POLITICS OF TRANSHUMANISM AND THE
TECHNO-MILLENNIAL IMAGINATION, 1626–2030


Its a dilema, a big one! Shall we taste the fruit? shall we take the blu pill

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[turvarya]

There is a big flaw in your uncles logic.
When I get this right, he thinks, that satan is working in the shadows, that's why Satoshis identity will never be revealed.
But bitcoin is as open as anything could be. How does that mix?

[cuddaloreappu]

There is a big flaw in your uncles logic.
When I get this right, he thinks, that satan is working in the shadows, that's why Satoshis identity will never be revealed.
But bitcoin is as open as anything could be. How does that mix?

No he just said satan(satoshi in this case) would not reveal himself! I think the open nature of blockchain need not be confused with this

[turvarya]

There is a big flaw in your uncles logic.
When I get this right, he thinks, that satan is working in the shadows, that's why Satoshis identity will never be revealed.
But bitcoin is as open as anything could be. How does that mix?

No he just said satan(satoshi in this case) would not reveal himself! I think the open nature of blockchain need not be confused with this

I still don't see how that mix.  How does Satan profit from something, nobody can control?

[cuddaloreappu]

There is a big flaw in your uncles logic.
When I get this right, he thinks, that satan is working in the shadows, that's why Satoshis identity will never be revealed.
But bitcoin is as open as anything could be. How does that mix?

No he just said satan(satoshi in this case) would not reveal himself! I think the open nature of blockchain need not be confused with this

I still don't see how that mix.  How does Satan profit from something, nobody can control?

maybe satan running a secret very large mining facility in hell and can do a stealth 51% attack so that it can double spend whenever it likes to do so!

that's the profit motive..

please lol

[cuddaloreappu]

Now I am reading through the 20 page long research paper by the sociologist James.J.Huges..

the paper argues this sort of tension between technology(bitcoin) and religion could morph into violence in the coming future!


THE POLITICS OF TRANSHUMANISM AND THE
TECHNO-MILLENNIAL IMAGINATION, 1626–2030

[blatchcorn]

Now I am reading through the 20 page long research paper by the sociologist James.J.Huges..

the paper argues this sort of tension between technology(bitcoin) and religion could morph into violence in the coming future!


THE POLITICS OF TRANSHUMANISM AND THE
TECHNO-MILLENNIAL IMAGINATION, 1626–2030

Read enough crap and you will find something to back-up your uncle 

[turvarya]

There is a big flaw in your uncles logic.
When I get this right, he thinks, that satan is working in the shadows, that's why Satoshis identity will never be revealed.
But bitcoin is as open as anything could be. How does that mix?

No he just said satan(satoshi in this case) would not reveal himself! I think the open nature of blockchain need not be confused with this

I still don't see how that mix.  How does Satan profit from something, nobody can control?

maybe satan running a secret very large mining facility in hell and can do a stealth 51% attack so that it can double spend whenever it likes to do so!

that's the profit motive..

please lol

So, Satan was harvesting souls for thousands of years, so he can use their hashing power to control the blockchain?

[cuddaloreappu]

There is a big flaw in your uncles logic.
When I get this right, he thinks, that satan is working in the shadows, that's why Satoshis identity will never be revealed.
But bitcoin is as open as anything could be. How does that mix?

No he just said satan(satoshi in this case) would not reveal himself! I think the open nature of blockchain need not be confused with this

I still don't see how that mix.  How does Satan profit from something, nobody can control?

maybe satan running a secret very large mining facility in hell and can do a stealth 51% attack so that it can double spend whenever it likes to do so!

that's the profit motive..

please lol

i thought Satan was there to punish, not humiliate

may be satan wants more money! he could be really underpaid for that punishment job

[Elwar]

I think your uncle is Satan.

[cuddaloreappu]

I think your uncle is Satan.

why you don't want me to sleep the night peacefully?

[Daniel91]

I think that generally you can also blame (even more) Wall street, World bank, White house and UN as main evil forces in the world, if you use this logic.
Business is about money and earning so if this is the sin, what is the other option?
Live in the jungle, without money, jobs, houses etc.
I don't think that you should listen this religious fanatics.
Bitcoin belong to everybody, not just some limited group of people or organization, so we have here more financial freedom and democracy than with any other world currency.

[Outlander]

Yes, I agree with your uncle.

you will become a millionaire or even billionare if you hold on even a few bitcoins

[cryptodevil]

he is a converted christian( from hinduism),

So he went from believing in hundreds of arbitrarily made up gods to one arbitrarily made up god? Wow, must be something in that, right?

he is now deep into theology.

How does his being deeply entrenched in the myths and legends of human imagination bear any comparison to, you know, the actual reality that actually exists, for which the ideas of gods, demons, angels and ghosts have never ever ever ever had any evidence of their existence outside of human imagination?

So he believes in made-up-stuff(tm), changes his mind to believe in other made-up-stuff, then asserts something about a fictional character being responsible for bitcoin?

Yeah, he sounds like he's definitely on to something.


How about you start from the premise that you cannot simply make stuff up, and see if you're able to even get to the point of anything paranormal or ooky-spooky able to withstand critical analysis?

Next it'll be shape-shifting interdimensional reptilians who are secretly running this global conspiracy, nah, nobody is that stupid to believe such a laughable notion, right, Right?

Jeez, people, try thinking for yourselves instead of believing every loon who declares themselves privy to 'super special secrets' about our reality.

Learn what logical fallacies are.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Your uncle sounds like an idiot tbh

[Jacqul]

Hi,

The topic you posted about is quite interesting to me.

Unfortunately it is a very hard one to discuss and the reason why I considered to directly message you rather than posting on the board: there are too many people in the world with very strong emotions and not enough vocabulary to discuss the topic of religion and existentialism.

I would like to offer my opinion on you uncle's dilemma.

I think he is both right and wrong.
In a way any endevour that tries to enhance humanity could be seen as Satanism. Or at least Luciferianism.
Lucifer was after all the light and knowledge bringer. The first sin in the bible was where humans wanted to have knowledge and become more like God.
When they all banded together to build a tower, God punished them and broke them up by confusing them and their language to stop them "from becoming like us."

Your uncle works as a doctor. This could be interpreted more as working in the realm of Lucifer than of old testament God.
Reason I say this is because in this interpretation anything that goes against the natural order of things is working against God and using science to fight disease is one of those things. If he uses the internet this is the same as taking a bite from the fruit of wisdom. (In fact if he uses an Apple product it even has a symbol of a fruit with a bite taken from it.) If he has published any medical literature, it is the same as helping build the tower of Babel.

That is why the Amish live the way they live. It explains a lot of why some groups of people do what they do.
Unfortunately most people don't actually think about it deep enough and accept all the implications of their chosen ideology.

A true follower of the Abrahamic old testament god would be entitled to live like an animal in the way that they perceive that god created them. It is the epitome of survival of the fittest and in that world the vulnerable die of disease and the weak suffer at the hands of the strong. This is the natural order.
In a transhumanist idealogy we aim to become more than animals and we see the potential. This comes with its own dangers and we risk (and in fact aim for) losing our humanity. As you can see from bible stories, we are warned against trying to do this again and again. Floods, calamities etc.

Jesus was quite different and reinterpreted the old testament for us. In Jesus philosophy we look after the weak and care for the sick. This is contrary to the old testament god. Loving each other and forgiving enemies is not what the old testament was about. You could see Jesus as the messiah who gave us the ideology to transcend our previous animal instincts, him being a transhumanist himself then. This might be one of the reasons he was killed by the ancient Jews who lived in the old system.
On the basis of Christianity, the western world was built which includes airplanes, ipads and wifi.
This is a spirit of cooperativeness and better communication and caring. It goes against our baser human instincts. It seeks to end war.
Bitcoin is a part of that and so I see it as in line with Christian teachings.
But as I said earlier, it is also against the old testament god and in line with actions that our ancestors warn us about.

With everything comes risk.
With international travel and airplanes we run the risk of pandemics. Like Ebola.

How I personally reconcile these two points of view:
I see Bitcoin as a positive force in the world. It is not evil. It is unifying and empowers the weak and poor. It is in line with the philosophy of a doctor.
I realize that humanity is a system that we don't understand. Reality is something we don't understand. We make mistakes and civilization have been wiped out before. This might happen again and if it does it is meant to happen and the will of God. With this uncertainty we carry on.

Edit for clarity:
Please when commenting on this post don't assume it completely describes my belief system. I believe God does not exist.
My aim was not to discuss my beliefs but to discuss the conflict his uncle is experiencing and show how within his belief system I think it is warranted but still reconcilable.

[cryptodevil]

I realize that humanity is a system that we don't understand. Reality is something we don't understand/

We understand plenty, that which is yet to be understood does not warrant making-shit-up(tm) and calling it a fact.

. We make mistakes and civilization have been wiped out before. This might happen again and if it does it is meant to happen and the will of God.

Right, so we know various civilizations have come and gone before, some we know the cause of their demise, others not, yet you want to claim your mythical super-being, for which not one iota of evidence exists, 'wills' these things to happen.

Do you see how you are just making-shit-up(tm) and asserting it like a fact?

[turvarya]

Hi,

The topic you posted about is quite interesting to me.

Unfortunately it is a very hard one to discuss and the reason why I considered to directly message you rather than posting on the board: there are too many people in the world with very strong emotions and not enough vocabulary to discuss the topic of religion and existentialism.

I would like to offer my opinion on you uncle's dilemma.

I think he is both right and wrong.
In a way any endevour that tries to enhance humanity could be seen as Satanism. Or at least Luciferianism.
Lucifer was after all the light and knowledge bringer. The first sin in the bible was where humans wanted to have knowledge and become more like God.
When they all banded together to build a tower, God punished them and broke them up by confusing them and their language to stop them "from becoming like us."

Your uncle works as a doctor. This could be interpreted more as working in the realm of Lucifer than of old testament God.
Reason I say this is because in this interpretation anything that goes against the natural order of things is working against God and using science to fight disease is one of those things. If he uses the internet this is the same as taking a bite from the fruit of wisdom. (In fact if he uses an Apple product it even has a symbol of a fruit with a bite taken from it.) If he has published any medical literature, it is the same as helping build the tower of Babel.

That is why the Amish live the way they live. It explains a lot of why some groups of people do what they do.
Unfortunately most people don't actually think about it deep enough and accept all the implications of their chosen ideology.

A true follower of the Abrahamic old testament god would be entitled to live like an animal in the way that they perceive that god created them. It is the epitome of survival of the fittest and in that world the vulnerable die of disease and the weak suffer at the hands of the strong. This is the natural order.
In a transhumanist idealogy we aim to become more than animals and we see the potential. This comes with its own dangers and we risk (and in fact aim for) losing our humanity. As you can see from bible stories, we are warned against trying to do this again and again. Floods, calamities etc.

Jesus was quite different and reinterpreted the old testament for us. In Jesus philosophy we look after the weak and care for the sick. This is contrary to the old testament god. Loving each other and forgiving enemies is not what the old testament was about. You could see Jesus as the messiah who gave us the ideology to transcend our previous animal instincts, him being a transhumanist himself then. This might be one of the reasons he was killed by the ancient Jews who lived in the old system.
On the basis of Christianity, the western world was built which includes airplanes, ipads and wifi.
This is a spirit of cooperativeness and better communication and caring. It goes against our baser human instincts. It seeks to end war.
Bitcoin is a part of that and so I see it as in line with Christian teachings.
But as I said earlier, it is also against the old testament god and in line with actions that our ancestors warn us about.

With everything comes risk.
With international travel and airplanes we run the risk of pandemics. Like Ebola.

How I personally reconcile these two points of view:
I see Bitcoin as a positive force in the world. It is not evil. It is unifying and empowers the weak and poor. It is in line with the philosophy of a doctor.
I realize that humanity is a system that we don't understand. Reality is something we don't understand. We make mistakes and civilization have been wiped out before. This might happen again and if it does it is meant to happen and the will of God. With this uncertainty we carry on.

lol
fail

[Jacqul]

lol
fail

Lol
yeah.

Please see Edit added

[remotemass]

Wrong! If bitcoin was satanic I would have:
12 345 678, 666 666 21 BTC in my wallet.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.