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[synechist]

So they exposed the truth about Dan.

Nope. The truth about Dan's code reviews and collaborations was made public at every point on the XC thread. There was nothing to expose.

What they did is make it look like it was a dirty secret, when it wasn't.

How does the fact that this information leak was premeditated take away from the fact that it's all now confirmed to be genuine?

What's happened is that Prometheus has been subject to smear campaigns in the past that make him out to be a P&D scammer.
Linking Dan to Prometheus therefore appears to wreck Dan's reputation.
But the truth is that Prometheus is no paragon of virtue, but he is not a pump-and-dump scammer either.
And Dan's link to coins Prometheus funds has not been a secret at any point.

So what's all the fuss about? Hearsay about Prom; true records of conversations that have nonetheless been cut to put Prom in as negative a light as they can; another coin doing its best to destroy the competition.

We have nothing to hide. Bring it all out. There is nothing to fear from the truth.

[G-Bert]

9:52 AM <•MrBoh> coindada said the devs are all planing on making abusrd btc offf this...
9:54 AM <•MrBoh> he seems worried its gonna backfire on him though
9:54 AM <•MrBoh> the way hes talking... saying "if we can pul it off"

This can also be taken 2 ways.

I mean if the blocknet team could "pull off" the ITO and make Blocknet a reality, Then they would make a lot of BTC, it doesn't necessarily imply scam, the only person who implies it as a scam is Mr Boh.

[Come-In-Behind]

I've got to say. This whole nonsense thing going on, is pretty fucking stupid. After going through the facts, the only thing that's been accused against Dan was him being apart of a pump group, which was denied by both the pump group and him. So exactly WHAT are the trolls FUDDING for? Bitcointalk is turning into the new Batman's Asylum.

[synechist]

9:52 AM <•MrBoh> coindada said the devs are all planing on making abusrd btc offf this...
9:54 AM <•MrBoh> he seems worried its gonna backfire on him though
9:54 AM <•MrBoh> the way hes talking... saying "if we can pul it off"

This can also be taken 2 ways.

I mean if the blocknet team could "pull off" the ITO and make Blocknet a reality, Then they would make a lot of BTC, it doesn't necessarily imply scam, the only person who implies it as a scam is Mr Boh.

This sort of thing is what the entire smear campaign hinges on.

Using rhetoric, they import the a priori supposition that Prom is a P&D scammer, and then use it to try to destroy Dan.

The screenshots 00Smurf leaked read both ways. They only look awful if you unconsciously accept the rhetoric about Prom.

(I'll reiterate that no-one's trying to make Prom out to be a paragon of virtue; he's just not a P&D scammer.)

[G-Bert]

I've got to say. This whole nonsense thing going on, is pretty fucking stupid. After going through the facts, the only thing that's been accused against Dan was him being apart of a pump group, which was denied by both the pump group and him. So exactly WHAT are the trolls FUDDING for? Bitcointalk is turning into the new Batman's Asylum.

Where has the pump group denied Dan is a part? would be nice to have all the actual evidence in one place.

Also, if Prom is part of a pump group, how is he not a pump and dump scammer as stated by Syn?

[neo666]

What happens with the BLOCK bought on poloniex ?

you just lost your money

Why?

he's trolling...you can sell them if you want.

[Marlo Stanfield]

So they exposed the truth about Dan.

Nope. The truth about Dan's code reviews and collaborations was made public at every point on the XC thread. There was nothing to expose.

What they did is make it look like it was a dirty secret, when it wasn't.

How does the fact that this information leak was premeditated take away from the fact that it's all now confirmed to be genuine?

What's happened is that Prometheus has been subject to smear campaigns in the past that make him out to be a P&D scammer.
Linking Dan to Prometheus therefore appears to wreck Dan's reputation.
But the truth is that Prometheus is no paragon of virtue, but he is not a pump-and-dump scammer either.
And Dan's link to coins Prometheus funds has not been a secret at any point.

So what's all the fuss about? Hearsay about Prom; true records of conversations that have nonetheless been cut to put Prom in as negative a light as they can; another coin doing its best to destroy the competition.

We have nothing to hide. Bring it all out. There is nothing to fear from the truth.

How was Dan being involved in Halcyon public information? Why would someone involved with the coin do a supposedly unbiased code review?

Why did everyone(especially you) vehemently deny that the chat logs were genuine?

Aero, Key and Halcyon are three of the most infamous pump and dumps. Prometheus' MO is already well known. None of this being related to him is an issue really. But the fact that Dan is involved with this scene goes directly against the image of unbiased and "one of crypto's best" that XC has been trying to portray him as.

In the XC thread before it was closed not one person was saying "yeah, we all knew Dan was involved in Halcyon!". It was quite the opposite actually. If fact you deleted posts saying that.

If you're new strategy now is to go from complete dismissal and denial of the Prometheus connection to fully embracing it now  then that's fine with me. Probably should have done that from the start and just been clear. I mean, to be honest most people in this scene knew what XC was about for a long time. But your job is to shield the XC holders from the realities of the situation, and now you can't do that any more now that it's all been admitted publicly.

So for people holding XC and Blocknet as long as you're aware of what type of groups you're backing then it's up for you to decide how you want to deal with your own investments.

[mxxxxxx]

you are very sneaky with words. Sad to see you caught in your own web. Why not just tell the truth now that its out, you will sleep better afterwards  

Sad is a try to take the project down before it even started

Competition is healthy but it is understandable some don`t want it

[synechist]

I've got to say. This whole nonsense thing going on, is pretty fucking stupid. After going through the facts, the only thing that's been accused against Dan was him being apart of a pump group, which was denied by both the pump group and him. So exactly WHAT are the trolls FUDDING for? Bitcointalk is turning into the new Batman's Asylum.

Where has the pump group denied Dan is a part? would be nice to have all the actual evidence in one place.

Also, if Prom is part of a pump group, how is he not a pump and dump scammer as stated by Syn?

There is a vast difference between being a "pumper" (as Prometheus calls himself) and pumping in a manner that scams people and/or tricks people into investing into something worthless.

- No coin gets noticed unless it is pumped. It is an unfortunate but real feature of the crypto landscape. Therefore a pump is pretty much essential marketing for a coin. Therefore pumps aren't necessarily evil, and pumpers aren't necessary dumpers and/or scammers.

- Prometheus has continued to support financially the development of coins *after* they've been pumped. Look at Keycoin.

- As long as a coin has genuine tech, ongoing development, and transparent communication about its future, it's not a scam.  This appears to be the case with coins that Prometheus has funded, with the exception of Crypt, where the developer abandoned the project (which is unfortunate, but not within Prom's control).

- Prometheus's official statement on the smear campaign testifies how he exits without dumping. Only idiots or people with malicious intent dump on an illiquid market. You get a terrible price for your coins, and you create a panic that prevents you selling the rest of your coins at a decent price. So Prom's testimony is prima facie plausible.


My contention is that Prometheus is not a scammer. Neither is he a pumper and dumper. That is, he does not exploit the public by tricking them into buying a coin, and then abandon it.

This is my opinion. I may be mistaken. But it appears to me that Prometheus has been the victim of a prior smear campaign by the same people, and that the public in general has been duped by this prior campaign.

[mxxxxxx]

What happens with the BLOCK bought on poloniex ?

you just lost your money

Why?

Actually i saw some traders earned more tokens, they definitely don`t trade to lose their money

[G-Bert]

So they exposed the truth about Dan.

Nope. The truth about Dan's code reviews and collaborations was made public at every point on the XC thread. There was nothing to expose.

What they did is make it look like it was a dirty secret, when it wasn't.

How does the fact that this information leak was premeditated take away from the fact that it's all now confirmed to be genuine?

What's happened is that Prometheus has been subject to smear campaigns in the past that make him out to be a P&D scammer.
Linking Dan to Prometheus therefore appears to wreck Dan's reputation.
But the truth is that Prometheus is no paragon of virtue, but he is not a pump-and-dump scammer either.
And Dan's link to coins Prometheus funds has not been a secret at any point.

So what's all the fuss about? Hearsay about Prom; true records of conversations that have nonetheless been cut to put Prom in as negative a light as they can; another coin doing its best to destroy the competition.

We have nothing to hide. Bring it all out. There is nothing to fear from the truth.

So for people holding XC and Blocknet as long as you're aware of what type of groups you're backing then it's up for you to decide how you want to deal with your own investments.

I don't really care who associates with who as long as the Tech is Legit and comes out in a timely manner.

[youngmike]

MrBoh and Longandshort are trolls that have spread FUD campaigns against several altcoins such as LXC and XST in the past.  Tranglee received word of their plan to discredit the BlockNET and destroy Dan's reputation on October 21st, days before this FUD campaign erupted.

Oh god this never ends with these guys. The 3 big 80% coin owners-bagholders of ShadowCash (pookie, trollsroyce and longandshort) overrode their dev's decision to break with trolling and cooperate with other coins by forcing him to remove SDC from the Blocknet. To take it even further they have begun subtle fud trolling of the blocknet. This will become more viceral and obvious as time moves on. It will peak with a website yes website they are building purely for the point of discrediting and fudding the blocknet and its founding coins. Who does that? Make a website replete with fake pastebin quotes, gifs, and other smear items, and fud threads? Wouldn't the resources and effort of this be better off to make zk-snarks work and promote SDC?

Seriously these guys must have small penis syndrome. Oh look XST,Fibre, Blocknet has a smaller penis than ours!  

Mark my words this shit is real and you can quote this thread when they start their full on trolling of Blocknet and it's coins. Same for when the websit goes live. You heard about it here first.  

Now here is more evidence showing that they conspired to destroy Dan's reputation for their own malicious purposes:
https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GkZ2H9tH


There is no denying that the evidence and facts are public knowledge regarding Dan, XC, and BlockNET... but are you really going to let these trolls, who have a reputation of FUD campaigns, interpret that information for you?  It is clear what their objective is.  

Well this is something.

An opponent of the Blocknet just validated the pastebin that winteriscoming5 posted above:

Check this out:





Here's the incriminating pastebin:






And here's a clone of it just in case someone deletes it: https://artikel-140.nl/bin/?d3c334bdb593cdec#CIjbr05jDkGDyFHk0YGl64PWwPU4bTAKaYY/Bjvgmio=

So they exposed the truth about Dan.

How does the fact that this information leak was premeditated take away from the fact that it's all now confirmed to be genuine?

They wanted to find an honest journalist who would be willing to write a truthful article which would expose the facts. Now they don't seem like a particularly honest bunch themselves but it seems they were part of this "inner circle" and knew what was behind XC and Blocknet. They knew exposing the truth would save people money, so I can't really fault them for that. These lines in particular are interesting:

9:52 AM <•MrBoh> coindada said the devs are all planing on making abusrd btc offf this
...
9:54 AM <•MrBoh> he seems worried its gonna backfire on him though
9:54 AM <•MrBoh> the way hes talking... saying "if we can pul it off"
...
9:58 AM <•MrBoh> just think its fucked people gonan get burnt hard on blocknet

You drawing attention to the fact that people from Shadowcoin were behind this info leak just sounds like an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that all these things that you were refusing to acknowledge as genuine and dismissing as baseless "FUD" are true.

You seem like you're trying to imply that because they potentially have something to gain from the downfall of XC and Blocknet(they are a competing coin after all) that everything that's been confirmed to be true now by Dan and Prometheus themselves should be discarded. I don't follow that logic.

What's going on? 

[itod]

Is there any proof this is fake? If it is not photoshoped and it is true, people should be warned. There was so many red flags about this project, this is a nail in the coffin. Whoever supports scammers should know he will be also marked as scammer when the dust settles and the truth is revealed.

[mxxxxxx]

Reading is the key to success

I wanted to make a clear and concise statement about all of this mud slinging going around....

As everybody involved with XC's knows I did numerous freelance projects, some of which Prometheus was involved in, like KeyOS and Halc.  Yesterday I was so frustrated with everything that was ALREADY PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE [stated on twitter and in the XC OP/ANN] being portrayed as some type of scam.. Accusing me of being Prometheus, accusing me of being the dev. of numerous coins and half the coins in blocknet...that I simply answered no to any and all questions.   None of these allegations are true, I am DAN METCALF and I have never used any other account than ATCSECURE on this forum.  Nor did I ever participate into any scam's, nor would I ever...  the comments about XC's POW being stopped because I was paid off is a complete fabrication.

What I find most interesting about this amount of FUD is that all the information was already public, and to think that I have all these alias's on this forum is complete insanity.

My full statement on the matter can be viewed at http://www.atcsecure.com/blog/Official_Statement.pdf


Also blocknet's assets and funds will be held in escrow and released as development progress's.  Blocknet is not a scam, but a legitimate project and proof of concept code will be available shortly.


Sincerely,

Dan Metcalf

[mxxxxxx]

What's going on? 

Regular day

[synechist]

So they exposed the truth about Dan.

Nope. The truth about Dan's code reviews and collaborations was made public at every point on the XC thread. There was nothing to expose.

What they did is make it look like it was a dirty secret, when it wasn't.

How does the fact that this information leak was premeditated take away from the fact that it's all now confirmed to be genuine?

What's happened is that Prometheus has been subject to smear campaigns in the past that make him out to be a P&D scammer.
Linking Dan to Prometheus therefore appears to wreck Dan's reputation.
But the truth is that Prometheus is no paragon of virtue, but he is not a pump-and-dump scammer either.
And Dan's link to coins Prometheus funds has not been a secret at any point.

So what's all the fuss about? Hearsay about Prom; true records of conversations that have nonetheless been cut to put Prom in as negative a light as they can; another coin doing its best to destroy the competition.

We have nothing to hide. Bring it all out. There is nothing to fear from the truth.

How was Dan being involved in Halcyon public information? Why would someone involved with the coin do a supposedly unbiased code review?

It was made public in the XC thread. There was even a press release about it.

Why did everyone(especially you) vehemently deny that the chat logs were genuine?

1) I denied the validity of the entire smear campaign.
2) More specifically, I denied the validity of numerous pastebins and whatnot due to their being modified.
3) I denied the truthfulness of 00Smurf's screenshots because of
   (a) their having been cut in such a way as to present Prometheus in a negative light
   (b) their having been presented in the context of a smear campaign that guaranteed they would be misinterpreted.


3b is the subtlest point yet. Texts have two layers: the physical marks on a screen and the meaning they convey. In 00Smurf's case, the physical marks were probably only altered by cutting out sections. However the interpretive layer - the meaning - of the text was heavily and deceitfully modified by the smear campaign that it is a part of.

Aero, Key and Halcyon are three of the most infamous pump and dumps. Prometheus' MO is already well known.

- Is it? How so? Though a smear campaign?
- There are many, many pumpers in crypto. I'm personally aware that several groups were pumping Hal, and that they were not in communication.
- Just because something that Prometheus funds is dumped, it does not imply that Prometheus dumped it.

None of this being related to him is an issue really. But the fact that Dan is involved with this scene goes directly against the image of unbiased and "one of crypto's best" that XC has been trying to portray him as.

Well, this is the whole point that I'm contesting. Dan does work with Prometheus. But that does not imply that he's involved in a pump and dump operation. The truth is that he is not involved in a pump and dump operation.

In the XC thread before it was closed not one person was saying "yeah, we all knew Dan was involved in Halcyon!". It was quite the opposite actually. If fact you deleted posts saying that.

- I don't moderate the XC thread.
- See the above press release about Dan being involved in Hal.
- See the above posts about the two interpretive layers. Claims about Dan's involvement in Hal turn into FUD if uttered in an interpretive context that implies that such an association is illicit.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Reading is the key to success

I wanted to make a clear and concise statement about all of this mud slinging going around....

As everybody involved with XC's knows I did numerous freelance projects, some of which Prometheus was involved in, like KeyOS and Halc.  Yesterday I was so frustrated with everything that was ALREADY PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE [stated on twitter and in the XC OP/ANN] being portrayed as some type of scam.. Accusing me of being Prometheus, accusing me of being the dev. of numerous coins and half the coins in blocknet...that I simply answered no to any and all questions.   None of these allegations are true, I am DAN METCALF and I have never used any other account than ATCSECURE on this forum.  Nor did I ever participate into any scam's, nor would I ever...  the comments about XC's POW being stopped because I was paid off is a complete fabrication.

What I find most interesting about this amount of FUD is that all the information was already public, and to think that I have all these alias's on this forum is complete insanity.

My full statement on the matter can be viewed at http://www.atcsecure.com/blog/Official_Statement.pdf


Also blocknet's assets and funds will be held in escrow and released as development progress's.  Blocknet is not a scam, but a legitimate project and proof of concept code will be available shortly.


Sincerely,

Dan Metcalf

It wasn't public knowledge though. At all. It was only known by a select few in some inner circle of altcoin manipulation.

He did a code review for Halcyon under the pretense that he was an unbiased third party. You don't see the problem with that?

[synechist]

[snip]

Is there any proof this is fake? If it is not photoshoped and it is true, people should be warned. There was so many red flags about this project, this is a nail in the coffin. Whoever supports scammers should know he will be also marked as scammer when the dust settles and the truth is revealed.

Itod, this morning the veracity of that pastebin was established by an opponent of the Blocknet.

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9418340#msg9418340


It shows who the people are behind this smear campaign.

So you're right, people should be warned about Mr Boh, Longandshort, Trollsroyce, Soepkip, and any projects they support.

[shakesbear]

I have been out for a few weeks

Are you guys done with XC or is there going to be anther thread open for it ?

[WhiteNotWright]

Why do people continue to play with these folks spreading false information trying to damage Blocknet? It's pointless as anyone that understands crypto and technology will see this as a natural evolution. It's not just "another coin". It can add value and therein exist the intrinsic value, not like the pump and dump scams for which these people base their very existence. I just don't get it. Everyday I wake up and it's like Romper Room in here. Sad.