BITMAIN announces Antpool

[TracerX]

Just to follow up on my post, look here at the average block size for the last 30days by pool. I think this gives you a good idea of the ethical pools vs selfish ones.

Mining pool   Average size
Solo CKPool       997,415
Kano CKPool      913,563
BitMinter            776,757
BitFury              764,694
myBTCcoin Pool  749,260
NiceHash Solo    749,069
KnCMiner           698,215
21 Inc.              660,633
BW.COM            653,842
BitClub Network 652,797
AntPool             643,672
F2Pool              577,282
BTCChina Pool   576,451
ghash.io           559,856
Unknown          535,832
slush                 527,274
Eligius             431,685


Source: https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/blocksize/30d?t=l

Could you continue discussing this observation?  I know for certain that some of these pools with lower average block sizes don't participate in SPV mining.  I recognize that a lower average block size != SPV mining, but I would like to understand this better.

Cheers.

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[ildoje]

also we have the payment to 0 Confirm from yesterday
https://chain.btc.com/tx/c067e8d502abf9303dafeb8ccb184a801cdcf4819c70e3f66ac9aef26e457efe

 

[omega015]

This is because the likes of Antpool mine empty blocks. If a pool do not include transactions in their blocks, then transactions get backlogged until someone does include them. This is what hurts the network and could hold people back from using BTC as payment for goods. Imagine waiting in Starbucks for 14 hours until your payment is confirmed . If anyone cares about their investment and the Bitcoin network they should mine on an ethical pool.

LMAO.. i find that rather ironic dont you think.. They cant even get out their own payments due to themselves and their buddies mining empty blocks.. Bitcoin has so many ways of dealing with the bad actors it isnt even funny!

Best Regards
d57heinz

HAHA yeah, and if I was a miner at their pool I wouldn't stand for it. Not including their own transactions is stupid and just asking for their miners to find a better pool (Not that including only their own is acceptable). Not to mention that the likes of these bad pools also refusing to include certain other pools transactions is also wrong on so many levels.

[omega015]

Could you continue discussing this observation?  I know for certain that some of these pools with lower average block sizes don't participate in SPV mining.  I recognize that a lower average block size != SPV mining, but I would like to understand this better.

Cheers.

I'm sure myself and others would be happy to carry on discussing this (Not that I am that knowledgeable on this subject). There was attempts to highlight this here (probably other posts too) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1274066.0 if you want to take a read, but I stopped reading after the flaming started, so I'm not sure how the discussion progressed.

[Fatman3001]

Just to follow up on my post, look here at the average block size for the last 30days by pool. I think this gives you a good idea of the ethical pools vs selfish ones.

Mining pool   Average size
Solo CKPool       997,415
Kano CKPool      913,563
BitMinter            776,757
BitFury              764,694
myBTCcoin Pool  749,260
NiceHash Solo    749,069
KnCMiner           698,215
21 Inc.              660,633
BW.COM            653,842
BitClub Network 652,797
AntPool             643,672
F2Pool              577,282
BTCChina Pool   576,451
ghash.io           559,856
Unknown          535,832
slush                 527,274
Eligius             431,685


Source: https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/blocksize/30d?t=l

Ok, the dudes making the mining software come out on top. Best of the rest is closer to antpool than Kano. While Bitcoin dev Luke-Jr's pool is last.

Mining at Kano would be to support a certified asshole. Bitminter? Sure, go ahead. Difficulty should be stabilizing soon. The others inbetween? Meh...

This, however, doesn't show who's mining empty blocks. There are lots of different reasons why miners won't mine full blocks. I would be careful with moralizing on technical issues like this.

[TracerX]

Could you continue discussing this observation?  I know for certain that some of these pools with lower average block sizes don't participate in SPV mining.  I recognize that a lower average block size != SPV mining, but I would like to understand this better.

Cheers.

I'm sure myself and others would be happy to carry on discussing this (Not that I am that knowledgeable on this subject). There was attempts to highlight this here (probably other posts too) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1274066.0 if you want to take a read, but I stopped reading after the flaming started, so I'm not sure how the discussion progressed.

Cheers for that.

That thread took a nose-dive right out of the gate--still an interesting read, though.

[kano]

The empty block thread discussion is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085800.0

Ignore that ignorant fool fatman above, look at the facts and the stats.
Fucked if I even know (or care) what his problem is, nor should anyone else care

[Fatman3001]

The empty block thread discussion is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085800.0

Ignore that ignorant fool fatman above, look at the facts and the stats.
Fucked if I even know (or care) what his problem is, nor should anyone else care

Yeah, yeah

Anyhew, thanks for moving that stuff off this thread.

[Richy_T]

Forget empty blocks, antpool appears to be mining with their soft limit still at 750000 (as are slush and a few others).

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/426fjx/so_whos_mining_small_blocks_answer_inside/

If you dont like the idea of leaving money on the table, I'd suggest moving to another pool.

Edit: Hmm, I see miners don't get the fees from the pool so probably moot. Not great for the nework though.

[kano]

Forget empty blocks, antpool appears to be mining with their soft limit still at 750000 (as are slush and a few others).

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/426fjx/so_whos_mining_small_blocks_answer_inside/

If you dont like the idea of leaving money on the table, I'd suggest moving to another pool.

Edit: Hmm, I see miners don't get the fees from the pool so probably moot. Not great for the nework though.

Heh I see you didn't like to point out the two pools that have the highest average block size

(Edit: there's a reason why many pools mine empty or small blocks and we don't ...)

[Richy_T]

Forget empty blocks, antpool appears to be mining with their soft limit still at 750000 (as are slush and a few others).

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/426fjx/so_whos_mining_small_blocks_answer_inside/

If you dont like the idea of leaving money on the table, I'd suggest moving to another pool.

Edit: Hmm, I see miners don't get the fees from the pool so probably moot. Not great for the nework though.

Heh I see you didn't like to point out the two pools that have the highest average block size

(Edit: there's a reason why many pools mine empty or small blocks and we don't ...)

That's orthogonal to my point and to be honest, I'm not sure which that is.

I'm assuming you mean your pool, ckpool? If so, good on you.

To be honest, I run p2pool (ideological reasons) and my backup is antpool but I may have to throw you guys in as #2.

I'd be interested as to why elegius is doing so bad but I hear Luke-jr is no longer affiliated (?)

[Richy_T]

This, however, doesn't show who's mining empty blocks.

Do you want that? I can get you that.

Last 1008 blocks (7 days).

Code:

1tx .O..A.V..D.6.Qm..BW Support 8M .fisher jinxin./BW Pool/
1tx .z.Eligius.V...mm.s."..)3..:.j.`.k..../ss26/...
1tx .{.Eligius.V.&.mm.?.0mC..o..T^@4ng.D.y|../ss31/.(7.
1tx ...Mined by AntPool bj5..V. V..#0,.oG.
1tx ...Mined by AntPool bj6..^o V._m.@...
1tx ....q.V..|....h..BW Support 8M .fisher jinxin./BW Pool/
1tx ...Mined by AntPool usa2!. V.?...
1tx ....'.)..dK...%.V..H.W>.A..U..Mined by baoyufan2011.
1tx .Mined by AntPool sc0.... V.o...7.
1tx .<..T.V...kQ..2.BW Support 8M .fisher jinxin./BW Pool/
1tx .D.Mined by AntPool bj82R+. V.Z.n,...
1tx .K.kf.V.G8....rW.BW Support 8M .fisher jinxin./BW Pool/
1tx .X..H.T.V.3....jj...i.%.Y.6r..Q3,..Mined by freddybtc12.
1tx ...Eligius.V...mm.jfm..r.z..{.L.>.~..a.x~../ss34/.8..Y.
1tx ...Mined by AntPool bj6..^o V.k. ..
1tx .Mined by AntPool bj5..V. V...w...U.
1tx .%......7.G"(..W]..^.0E...Mined by guili.
1tx .3.Mined by AntPool usa1.z. V.`o.T.jL.
1tx .O.Mined by AntPool bj71.$. V...$.
1tx .R.Mined by AntPool usa2!. V.:...
1tx .^.Mined by AntPool usa2!. V...1...
1tx .f..,+"~.K%..ndl...].%2c-....Mined by fengu.
1tx .o.Mined by AntPool bj0'. V..x..:.
1tx ...<Mined by AntPool bj82R+. StoryByteBornedTrydDiedAJames V....
1tx ....V..W."..&8.BW Support 8M .fisher jinxin./BW Pool/
1tx ....V..y,..Z.#.BW Support 8M .fisher jinxin./BW Pool/
1tx ...Mined by AntPool bj0'. V.#..#.+.
1tx .!....m.N.y.e.e.U.l.....Mined by ldf2.
1tx .@.Mined by AntPool usa2!. V.f.6..".
1tx .e....I..Q.{.{8.b.T.[.%zsP..!j....Mined by fq9088.
1tx .u..$..]IE*..T.noqM3.G.4.=...Mined by fanyejun.
1tx ...F.V..P...*M.".BW Support 8M .fisher jinxin./BW Pool/
1tx ...Mined by AntPool bj71.$. V.U^.4.
1tx ...Mined by AntPool bj71.$. V.V)M+.gn.
1tx .0.Mined by AntPool bj71.$. V......

Looks like antpool is the baddy again.

I could swear I saw some f2pool on blockchain.info though.

[Fatman3001]

This, however, doesn't show who's mining empty blocks.

Do you want that? I can get you that.

Last 1008 blocks (7 days).

-snip-

Looks like antpool is the baddy again.

I could swear I saw some f2pool on blockchain.info though.

Not really, but for whoever that mattered I'm sure it's nice.

Forget empty blocks, antpool appears to be mining with their soft limit still at 750000 (as are slush and a few others).

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/426fjx/so_whos_mining_small_blocks_answer_inside/

If you dont like the idea of leaving money on the table, I'd suggest moving to another pool.

Edit: Hmm, I see miners don't get the fees from the pool so probably moot. Not great for the nework though.

Heh I see you didn't like to point out the two pools that have the highest average block size

(Edit: there's a reason why many pools mine empty or small blocks and we don't ...)

That's orthogonal to my point and to be honest, I'm not sure which that is.

I'm assuming you mean your pool, ckpool? If so, good on you.

To be honest, I run p2pool (ideological reasons) and my backup is antpool but I may have to throw you guys in as #2.

I'd be interested as to why elegius is doing so bad but I here Luke-jr is no longer affiliated (?)

By the looks of things you'd probably be better off pointing your GPUs at Kano soon. Unless Kano is planning to follow the majority?

[kano]

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By the looks of things you'd probably be better off pointing your GPUs at Kano soon. Unless Kano is planning to follow the majority?

See, that's one of the reason why no one should bother taking any noticed of you.
You make moronic comments like that.

Damn we've found 5 blocks in the last 25.5hrs ... instead of the expected 2 ...
Yeah our average luck for the last ~23 days has been ... >122% ... gotta suck that you missed out on that

[elokk]

So glad I am not pointing my hash at this shit pool anymore. LLK!

[sloopy]

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By the looks of things you'd probably be better off pointing your GPUs at Kano soon. Unless Kano is planning to follow the majority?

See, that's one of the reason why no one should bother taking any noticed of you.
You make moronic comments like that.

Damn we've found 5 blocks in the last 25.5hrs ... instead of the expected 2 ...
Yeah our average luck for the last ~23 days has been ... >122% ... gotta suck that you missed out on that

This fat-kid is actually trying to make a point, of something, that no one gets - even him.
Fact is asshurt is asshurt and low intelligence is low intelligence, but being a prick just to be one, well I think whenever the word shill was used is on point.

By the way, whoever mentioned SPV mining being 0 transaction blocks, well they are two different things but they are also commonly used together. Why? Because if you are a scumball, you are going to be one in more than one way, usually many more. So you'll see the terms used in the same conversation.
If anyone tells you not to base your morals on technical data they are just pulling things out of their ass.
What better information would there be to cast a moral decision than using a variable such as technical data? What better facts would come about to help in your quandary? Feelings? Emotions? NO
Facts, information, input from trusted peers, and experience.

Some people here are able to influence others because they have a tag by their name which shows Legendary or Hero, but for the rest of us we are influenced by the people who have a long-standing reputation for honesty and not caring if that comes with being politically correct.
Some people simply do not and will not see reality for the fog they have in their minds. The cheerleaders who grasp at straws to support either SPV or ZER0 transaction block pools obviously do it for reasons other than what are found in common sense. Otherwise, they would STFU and try some honesty with themselves prior to posting. -- Maybe someone who has gained quite a bit financially from bitmain would have good reason to keep kissing ass in public?
You decide...

 

[Fatman3001]

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By the looks of things you'd probably be better off pointing your GPUs at Kano soon. Unless Kano is planning to follow the majority?

See, that's one of the reason why no one should bother taking any noticed of you.
You make moronic comments like that.

Damn we've found 5 blocks in the last 25.5hrs ... instead of the expected 2 ...
Yeah our average luck for the last ~23 days has been ... >122% ... gotta suck that you missed out on that

It wasn't a comment about your block-finding abilities.

Although I do miss the good old nail-biting days of mining PPLS on a small pool.

Kano, thanks for the near miss stats. It really helps cope with the lack of blocks.

Do you offer a mining option for grown-ups who don't want to gamble (PPS)?

Anyhew, I was referring to your loyalty to Core, who's been threatening to change PoW if they don't get their way. Are you going to move to Bitcoin Classic if push comes to shove or are you going to let your users gear become obsolete and force them to fire up their GPUs?

By the way, whoever mentioned SPV mining being 0 transaction blocks, well they are two different things but they are also commonly used together. Why? Because if you are a scumball, you are going to be one in more than one way, usually many more. So you'll see the terms used in the same conversation.
If anyone tells you not to base your morals on technical data they are just pulling things out of their ass.
What better information would there be to cast a moral decision than using a variable such as technical data? What better facts would come about to help in your quandary? Feelings? Emotions? NO
Facts, information, input from trusted peers, and experience.

Funny how the answer in this moral crusade against 0-tx blocks always seems to be that Kano is the only "moral" option. You'd have to be pretty stupid if you think this issue is the only one that matters.

Some people here are able to influence others because they have a tag by their name which shows Legendary or Hero, but for the rest of us we are influenced by the people who have a long-standing reputation for honesty and not caring if that comes with being politically correct.

You mean people who run a pool and spend their free time trolling other pools? Moral what, what?

By all means, avoid antpool if you want, but if you want to mine with someone who doesn't run around with his head up his ass you're much better off with Bitminter.

[kano]

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By all means, avoid antpool if you want, but if you want to mine with someone who doesn't run around with his head up his ass you're much better off with Bitminter.

Who has a history of over 2% empty blocks ... when I brought it up with him a couple of years ago, he "blamed" bitcoin ... ... ...

[dog1965]

At it again Fatman why don't you go play in traffic FATMAN or shout I say sh*tman.

[Fatman3001]

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By all means, avoid antpool if you want, but if you want to mine with someone who doesn't run around with his head up his ass you're much better off with Bitminter.

Who has a history of over 2% empty blocks ... when I brought it up with him a couple of years ago, he "blamed" bitcoin ... ... ...

Sure, and he's a nice guy who cares about the Bitcoin network. If you care about miner centralization he's a very good choice.

So ... ... ... again, in case shit: are you going to support Bitcoin Classic or are you going to GPU mine like it's 1999 2012?