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[coinits]

If any journalist crusader types really want to get somewhere they should push the 9/11 hashlet scam angle to Cantor. Cantor lost over 600 people that day, they have set up a serious fund that actually does stuff for 9/11 victims. Someone in that company connected to something that even smells of fraud would be bad pr for them, actual fraud would be very bad for them. I don't think that they would be happy with a company Fraser is connected with donating money to that shit charity that they did donate to instead of one of their real ones, even if all the money went there, the fact that not all the money went there could cause them to act.

Garza's gonna Garza. He appears to be a pro at this with little to no shame, so you the SEO stuff won't bother him while he's counting his money. SEO bomb Cantor/Fraser/9-11 scam and you may get somewhere. Start typing cantor fitzgerald into google, it tries to autofill 9/11 and their relief fund is a top result, they won't be happy with a whiff of fraud and it's the only way to get results besides waiting for the government (which probably won't be able to get much money back to users.)

If any real Journalist Crusader type really wanted to get somewhere, like mysteriously offed in freak car accident or a nice vacation at the bottom of a river, they would start looking at HWL's connection to this ordeal.  Rumor is he is referenced as "Howard", "HWL" or "chairman".

Howard W. Lutnick is Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Cantor Fitzgerald, L.P., one of the world’s leading financial services firms and Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of BGC Partners, Inc., a leading global brokerage company servicing the financial and real estate markets.

*Note it has never been directly expressed that mentioning Howard W. Lutnicks name would result in *death*, only implied as well as stated that it would result in the end of ones way of live.

When you get to the top of the food chain in the world of finance you become too big to jail. Hence the link in my sig.

[miaviator]

When you get to the top of the food chain in the world of finance you become too big to jail. Hence the link in my sig.

[capsqrl]

I kind of expected Cryptsy to have resolved the whole prime controller disaster by now but it seems they're in a masochistic mood currently and are screwing around with a poll that will obviously be tampered with instead, things are not looking good

They're going to keep the PC. By dragging this out, they're hoping people will forget it or let it go. The "vote" was a way to make people feel like they've had their say, and that was its only purpose – they never planned to honor it.

[m3]

whats a good p2p exchange? at this point thats it our only solution to these corrupt exchanges

[Paul Revere]

I kind of expected Cryptsy to have resolved the whole prime controller disaster by now but it seems they're in a masochistic mood currently and are screwing around with a poll that will obviously be tampered with instead, things are not looking good

They're going to keep the PC. By dragging this out, they're hoping people will forget it or let it go. The "vote" was a way to make people feel like they've had their say, and that was its only purpose – they never planned to honor it.

Exactly. It is like playing a game with a child by letting them decide whether they want corn or peas for dinner. You decided that they were going to eat their vegetables. Which kind does not matter. The "choice" is merely to make them think they have been given a say, when the game was actually already decided. Cryptsy decided they were going to piss on everybody, and are letting people decide whether they want to get their leg or face pissed on. The real choice is to say neither and pull your coins from Cryptsy.

[coinits]

whats a good p2p exchange? at this point thats it our only solution to these corrupt exchanges

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946174.0

Have not used it and in beta but have a look.

I am not sure that this one is 100% trustless but worth a look.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946174.0

[mutha]

I kind of expected Cryptsy to have resolved the whole prime controller disaster by now but it seems they're in a masochistic mood currently and are screwing around with a poll that will obviously be tampered with instead, things are not looking good

They're going to keep the PC. By dragging this out, they're hoping people will forget it or let it go. The "vote" was a way to make people feel like they've had their say, and that was its only purpose – they never planned to honor it.

Of course they are... how long have they had that PC? They werent going to admit to it until some revelations were made.
Just low rent Kabuki Theater production.

Just run away from Cryptsy like your hair is on fire and dont loose anymore coins or money when it all blows up and it will blow up in a way that will make Silk Road look like kiddy play.

[favdesu]

FIAT, of course! Paycoin is hard to dump nowadays, makes perfect sense

[dooglus]

From a quick look at one of our blocks. Cryptsy's KEY ID is 16

Note that the key numbers count from 1 for each of the 4 groups of PC keys. So 10:1, 20:1, 100:1 and 350:1 are 4 different keys. There are 35 350%, 10 100%, 2 20% and 3 10% keys, so the "ID 16" must be in the 350% group, but in general you'll need to give both numbers to identify a key.

Don't you realize we don't care? For all we know you are going to accumulate coins in your prime controller and everybody will see that good guy craptsy isn't dumping these coins. Then comes a time when you will say hurr durr we got hacked coins got dumped.

3) How many hyperstaking wallets are there, now? It seems like this is something that might could be answered with blockchain analysis if I cared enough. I think those leaked private keys will transform any wallet with a certain number of coins into a hyperstaker. That's kind of a big deal. This effectively chases out any small owners of XPY. If you don't have enough to hyperstake, and everyone else is hyperstaking, the value in their wallets will remain fairly constant, but yours will drift towards zero.

That's the question I was trying to help answer.

For the record, the 13 leaked PC keys were all 10 of the 100% keys, both of the 20% keys, and the first of the 10% keys.

[maildir]

It's fairly obvious the real reason this was given to Cryptsy was to enure that the coin would not get de-listed at any point in time. Doesn't matter the reason said for giving it or the reason said for accepting it. What is more interesting is the sales pitch given to crypsty and by whom exactly. None of those no bodies have any real connections in the crypto world and most certainly not to the every difficult to reach Paul at Cryptsy.

So how exactly did this "little deal" transpire one must wonder?

Did Huckleberry Finn from the Church send an emal ' hey paul you wanna have a prime controller or what'?

Did Paul reply 'a what'? and 'why'?

Who set this in motion and why would (a) cryptsy even listen to the sales pitch in the first place  and (b) actually accept it?

In the initial contact there has to have been a 'what's in it for us' from the cryptsy side or at least a 'why'.

There is no way stranger knocks on the largest exchange's president's door saying ' hey help decentralize our shitcoin by accepting this magic box which prints them' where the president of the largest exchange thereafter simply says 'oh okay great idea'

No way.

There was something there to begin with and something in it for them to even broach the initial idea....we need to find out what that something is.

Here's novel idea  let's have Cryptsy dump their email box between whoever contacted them about this in the first place, we'll sift through it all and make a determination what is exactly what....

or we can wait from the SEC leaks down the road   

[NuShrike]

can we get a repost of the "list of lies" ? thanks

Why hasn't somebody put this on a Wiki (or OP), summarizing this so it doesn't have to be repeated, and buried throughout the thread multiple times?

[Franz_Huber]

Poor GAWCEO is missing the good old days when more than 5 people believed his lies, bullshit and deception.

[sublyme]

he thinks ht is like the therapist he never had, but always needed.

[TheIZS]

All the debate about the Cryptsy Prime Controller, do you people really believe the PC wasn't part of the deal to get POOPCOIN listed on cryptsy in the first place?

[suchmoon]

Thanks to @PRODIGI over at GH, here is some reading material regarding Marshall Long, Cryptsy CTO, totally unrelated to GAW or Paycoin.

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/watchlist-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/10766
https://forum.gethashing.com/t/watchlist-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/10768

[TheIZS]

Poor GAWCEO is missing the good old days when more than 5 people believed his lies, bullshit and deception.

Lies covered with false promises, covered by lies. Not even Garbozo can keep track anymore, and then he shit sprays his allies.

[suchmoon]

Poor GAWCEO is missing the good old days when more than 5 people believed his lies, bullshit and deception.

Lies covered with false promises, covered by lies. Not even Garbozo can keep track anymore, and then he shit sprays his allies.

Did he really call Cryptsy a "cesspool"? Not even sure why he's worried so much, he's got Mineral and Paybase2 

[bitpop]

Doesn't he remember that he took away the hashlets?

[bumpershot]

Poor GAWCEO is missing the good old days when more than 5 people believed his lies, bullshit and deception.

Lies covered with false promises, covered by lies. Not even Garbozo can keep track anymore, and then he shit sprays his allies.

Did he really call Cryptsy a "cesspool"? Not even sure why he's worried so much, he's got Mineral and Paybase2 

No, he called the forum for voting, i.e. bitcointalk, a cesspool.

[Franz_Huber]

Thanks to @PRODIGI over at GH, here is some reading material regarding Marshall Long, Cryptsy CTO, totally unrelated to GAW or Paycoin.

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/watchlist-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/10766
https://forum.gethashing.com/t/watchlist-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/10768

Cryptsy is dead to me. They were involved in the Paycoin shitshow from the beginning. They lost all credibility.