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September 07, 2012, 05:15:21 AM
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How often you reshuffle and how many decks you use on Blackjack?

The rules does not state it!!!

They use 8 decks and shuffle before every hand.

You can see that 8 decks are used by opening up the 'provably fair' sub-window and counting the length of the "final shuffle" string.  Reading the "what is this?" link in the bottom right corner of that sub-window makes it clear that they shuffle before dealing every hand.

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September 07, 2012, 05:21:10 AM
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How often you reshuffle and how many decks you use on Blackjack?

The rules does not state it!!!

Incidentally, if you're looking for (barely) beatable blackjack, check out strikesapphire.com.  They used to offer 65-75% penetration, but now it's much lower.  They do allow a huge range of bets though, from $0.10 up to $5.00 - a 50x spread.

Just don't win too much, or they'll make up lies about you and ban you.  And your 'imaginary' girlfriend.  Smiley

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September 07, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
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Thanks  so much, this is EXACTLY   what I/we were  looking for!

You have officially SILENCED  my sceptic friend!  Peace and quiet at last!! Good Luck making great   waves in the gambling word...and please do be careful with your  COLD STORED COINS!!!

Woot! I'm glad you could follow along with my explanation Smiley

Would it have helped if there was a site which walked you through the process step by step?  I'm thinking of making such a thing.  Something more automatic than having to visit all those different sites to do it manually, but less automatic than the site bitZino provides which shows a few progress bars and says "yep, it's fine".

I'm not sure if that would be useful.  Maybe it's more convincing for people like your friend to go through the steps "manually" for themselves.

Either way, having a neutral 3rd party like myself provide a verification site is likely more convincing than having bitZino verify their own data...

I would love it if you did this!

How often you reshuffle and how many decks you use on Blackjack?

The rules does not state it!!!

Thanks for clarifying, Dooglus!

We really should have these rules explicitly stated though. I'll add them to the rules dropdown.

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September 07, 2012, 07:54:43 PM
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I logged on last night to play a blackjack session and lost 8 out of my first 10 hands. Dealer had about 4 blackjacks in that time. Even when starting with a 5 or 6 total, the dealer managed to outdraw me while I held 19 or 20. Frustrated, I decided to double my bet and then typed "fuck you!" in the client seed. Well, I was dealt 2-2 vs dealer showing a 5 or 6 or some weak ass bust card. I kept splitting - every time it was a 2-2 until I had 4 hands in total. My last hand was also 2-2 but I wasn't allowed to split anymore. Of the 4 hands, my strongest one was 17.

The dealer drew up to 19 and beat everything I had.

Nice game you got there.
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September 07, 2012, 10:12:06 PM
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I logged on last night to play a blackjack session and lost 8 out of my first 10 hands. Dealer had about 4 blackjacks in that time. Even when starting with a 5 or 6 total, the dealer managed to outdraw me while I held 19 or 20. Frustrated, I decided to double my bet and then typed "fuck you!" in the client seed. Well, I was dealt 2-2 vs dealer showing a 5 or 6 or some weak ass bust card. I kept splitting - every time it was a 2-2 until I had 4 hands in total. My last hand was also 2-2 but I wasn't allowed to split anymore. Of the 4 hands, my strongest one was 17.

The dealer drew up to 19 and beat everything I had.

Nice game you got there.

Would be interesting if you posted username and then we could see what actually happened. Though I doubt the operator would share without permission. Anyway losing 8 times in a row isn't uncommon, ask martingale betters Smiley And dealer drew a 19? Unpossible. l2odds.
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September 08, 2012, 05:09:39 AM
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Would be interesting if you posted username and then we could see what actually happened. Though I doubt the operator would share without permission. Anyway losing 8 times in a row isn't uncommon, ask martingale betters Smiley And dealer drew a 19? Unpossible. l2odds.

You can copy/paste the "final shuffle" string from the 'provably fair' sub-window for individual hands - then we can see how the cards ran if we know all the decisions you made.

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September 08, 2012, 05:10:52 AM
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I would love it if you did this!

I will get to it, but I'm really pretty busy at the moment.

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September 10, 2012, 08:37:53 PM
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we'll be prioritizing importing private keys after this. From a cursory glance, I think it really shouldn't be that hard, and empowering bitcoin notes would be a huge benefit!

Any chance that is coming anytime soon?

Quick update on this feature: We think we've found a good way to do it using the custom transactions feature of bitcoind version 0.7. So, we will be holding off until 0.7 is launched before launching this feature ourselves.

Along with importing private keys, we're also going to add support for 0 confirmation withdrawals. We will do this in the same way SatoshiDice does: the withdrawal will be built off the output of the deposit transaction, therefore a blockchain that doesn't contain the deposit cannot contain the withdrawal.

So far, we have had a very basic implementation for accepting bitcoin payments. Going forward, we're really excited about building more complex behavior using the power that custom transactions will provide us!

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September 19, 2012, 10:16:48 PM
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I wanted to bump this thread to thank Libertaad for his helpfulness for technical things outside of bitZino.

As a way to say thank you, I decided to "donate" my bitcoins to bitZino and found the following display glitch:

(I blackened out my total balance on there)

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September 20, 2012, 12:06:58 AM
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I wanted to bump this thread to thank Libertaad for his helpfulness for technical things outside of bitZino.

As a way to say thank you, I decided to "donate" my bitcoins to bitZino and found the following display glitch:

(I blackened out my total balance on there)

Congrats on the Royal Flush! That's the second one we've seen on our site so far Smiley

Thanks for letting me know about the display glitch, we'll make sure it's fixed for the next time you hit a royal Cheesy

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September 22, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
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wait, is that +4000 BTC for a royal flush?

If my post has been helpful, send me some love -> BTC: 1kokojUapmWqCqPw3Ch2rjcVh57tJEzka | PPC: PDyXAgA8eH47gokVW6zVZPSuu15aao5nZF | Bitshares: kokojie
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September 22, 2012, 02:52:40 PM
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wait, is that +4000 BTC for a royal flush?

No, that's +4000 credits. A credit is worth 1/1000, 1/100 or 1 bticoin, depending on what the gambler chose.
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September 22, 2012, 07:06:44 PM
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wait, is that +4000 BTC for a royal flush?
I wish Cheesy I won 4 BTC then.

The max bet is 10BTC though (for blackjack, I think it's the same for video poker), so if you do get a royal flush then you're looking at 8000BTC.

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September 26, 2012, 06:50:05 PM
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I hit the royal yesterday ....


but ....


with 2 microbtc ...this is 2*800*0.000001 bitcoin = 0.0016 bitcoin .... Sad

BTW ...still waiting for the 4 colors card deck ... thanks

Congrats on the royal! I can't believe how many royal flushes we've seen in such a short time Cheesy Thanks for the reminder on 4-color decks. We will roll that out before too long.

Also, by the way, our max bet for Video Poker is 1 BTC. We have to keep it lower than our other games because it has a much higher variance. If you're interested in risk of ruin analysis, I discussed our strategy for how we choose our max bets earlier in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87656.msg1145478#msg1145478

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October 03, 2012, 06:46:42 PM
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We have officially launched Craps!





It took us a little longer to make than we anticipated, but I think it is well worth the wait Smiley

Like all of our game, our craps game is Provably Fair. And, it features the slick HTML5 user interface that you've come to expect from us.

Additionally, it has the best odds of any craps game that you'll play: We start by offering 3x,4x,5x odds on our Pass and Don't Pass wagers, which is somewhat standard (although, many online casinos don't even offer this). Then, moving up, you'll see that our Field bet offers 3x payment on a 12, and a non-standard 2.5x payment on a 2 (the usual is only 2x on the 2). Our Hardways bets pay 9.5 to 1 and 7.5 to 1 instead of the standard 9 to 1 and 7 to 1. The largest deviation from the norm is in our prop bets: 1,1 and 6,6 pay 34 to 1 instead of the standard 30 to 1. Our 1,2 and 5,6 bets pay 33 to 2 instead of the usual 15 to 1. Finally, our Any Seven pays 29 to 6, and our Any Craps pays 31 to 4 - these are substantially better than the standard 4 to 1 and 7 to 1.

We're also proud of the lack of confusion in our Place/Buy and Place to Lose/Lay bets. Most casinos offer a "Buy"  and "Lay" bet which are identical to the "Place" and "Place to Lose" bets, but with slightly better odds on the 4 and 10 bets, and occasionally better odds on the 5 and 9 bets. This is confusing to new players, and often results in them making sub-optimal bets. We have simply removed the confusion, and instead we simply always offer the bets odds on our Place and Lay bets.

Give it a try and let me know what you think!

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October 04, 2012, 01:58:45 PM
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Give it a try and let me know what you think!

Play craps on my Android mobile from anywhere, for real money.

Out standing!


[Edit: Also see Craps Trainer (Preview) for Android on Google Play:
 - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.e7systems.craps ]

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October 04, 2012, 04:55:56 PM
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We have officially launched Craps!

Give it a try and let me know what you think!

1.  I've read about how to play craps several times before, and played it on various sites, but each time I come back to it I've forgotten what all the bets mean.  Some basic introduction to the game would be helpful.  But I guess that's not what you do - none of your other games have 'help' pages either.

2.  My first impression was that the font used on the table clashed with the usual bitZino sans-serif font.  It looks like it may be the browser's default font, and that the CSS styling isn't working.  Or maybe that's the font you chose on purpose.

3.  I was betting the 4 "single rolls" bets on the left each spin.  I rolled 2-2 and was paid out 17.5:


Then I rolled 1-2 and again was paid out 17.5:


Finally I rolled 2-1 and lost:


Is that a bug?  It's paying 2-2 but not 2-1.  And it's paying 17.5 for a 1 unit bet when the bet is marked as "17 to 1".

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October 04, 2012, 05:03:42 PM
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Is that a bug?  It's paying 2-2 but not 2-1.  And it's paying 17.5 for a 1 unit bet when the bet is marked as "17 to 1".

I played the two "17 to 1" bets (1,2 and 5,6) some more.

5-6 and 6-5 both pay out 17.5 chips.
5-5 is a loss.

I got 2-1 again, and it was counted as a loss again.

1-1 pays out 35 chips.  It's labelled as "34 to 1", so that's right.

So the "17 to 1" bets should pay out 18 chips, but they only pay out 17.5.

So the two bugs seem to be:

 * the "1,2" 17 to 1 bet pays out on 1,2 and 2,2 rather than on 1,2 and 2,1

 * the 17 to 1 bets both pay out 33 to 2 not 17 to 1.

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October 04, 2012, 06:32:03 PM
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Is that a bug?  It's paying 2-2 but not 2-1.  And it's paying 17.5 for a 1 unit bet when the bet is marked as "17 to 1".

I played the two "17 to 1" bets (1,2 and 5,6) some more.

5-6 and 6-5 both pay out 17.5 chips.
5-5 is a loss.

I got 2-1 again, and it was counted as a loss again.

1-1 pays out 35 chips.  It's labelled as "34 to 1", so that's right.

So the "17 to 1" bets should pay out 18 chips, but they only pay out 17.5.

So the two bugs seem to be:

 * the "1,2" 17 to 1 bet pays out on 1,2 and 2,2 rather than on 1,2 and 2,1

 * the 17 to 1 bets both pay out 33 to 2 not 17 to 1.

Those were definitely some very bad bugs. Thank you for finding them! They have now been fixed. You are truly a bug finding master, Dooglus! I have added 1 BTC to your account to thank you.

I have also credited everyone that has made prop bets double the full value of their bets +1 BTC of all real-bitcoin prop bets that they've made in order to make up for these bugs. (Fortunately, only 2 users have made these bets, and they were for micro-stakes, so I really hope the 1 BTC bonus makes up for this egregious error).

The reason we made this error is really quite silly of us. All of our prop bets pay out 35 for X, where X is the number of possible outcomes. Of course, 35 for 2 does not equal 34 to 2, which is the error that we made. Unfortunately, we spent the majority of our QA testing the more complicated multi-roll wagers.

Thank you again for spotting this Dooglus, you really have helped so much in making bitZino a better site.

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October 04, 2012, 06:48:41 PM
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1.  I've read about how to play craps several times before, and played it on various sites, but each time I come back to it I've forgotten what all the bets mean.  Some basic introduction to the game would be helpful.  But I guess that's not what you do - none of your other games have 'help' pages either.

We do plan on adding instructions for all of our games at some point, but for now, we are focusing on attracting gamblers that already know how to play these games. However, I do think that the fact that we present all the odds in an easy-to-digest manner should at least help those that are passingly familiar with craps.

2.  My first impression was that the font used on the table clashed with the usual bitZino sans-serif font.  It looks like it may be the browser's default font, and that the CSS styling isn't working.  Or maybe that's the font you chose on purpose.

We did intentionally go with a serif font for the table. It's supposed to contrast somewhat with the rest of the site, and look a litlte more like a traditional craps table, which typically uses elegant serif fonts to display their bets. Although, I'm no typography expert, so maybe this is a faux pas.. I'm open to suggestions.

Also - are you still using Chromium on Ubuntu? All of your screenshot's table layouts look like they are off by a few pixels, which is pretty ugly. I can't seem to replicate it on my linux Chromium install though.

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