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August 08, 2016, 03:56:14 AM |
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We don't fake the stats, it would not just be against our principles, as also we don't need it... we have released our Dice just few months ago, it's logic that we still don't have volumes neither liquidity like the ones verified on casinos operating for years. We feel absolutely no pressure on that, proof of that was our dice being kinda empty on the first days, as we started adding more features and personalising things as our users requested more and more are joining everyday. That is good, it would probably reflect poorly on your site if you were in fact faking stats. Although if you are faking stats then it is probably best to change your business practices right away, and maybe you would be eventually able to recover your reputation. Since you are saying that you are not faking stats, you should give additional information to back up this claim, or you could possibly ask NLNico what information he would like to see in order to believe this claim. It's funny how you claim a site is operating in scam and faking stats just because of the data you see on a table. If we wanted to hide you something, we would just hide the chart, simple. I am not the one making this claim, NLNico is, I am saying that I trust what he is saying, however what he is saying also makes logical sense. The claim that NLNico is making is that you are trying to hide the fact that you have low volume by showing excessive activity on your recent bets table. I don't know if you are familiar with betbtc sports exchange but big part of our users are professional bettors that bet via API (copying other markets like betffair, betdaq, matchbook, etc), that's what is happening now in dice, not too many users but lots of rolls and probably strategies being tested. While this may make some level of sense in regards to your sports betting, this is simply not how dice betting works. With sports betting, if someone were to place bets on two different sportsbooks, the outcome of the match would be the same. However with dice betting, if you place the same bet on two different casinos, the outcome of the roll is almost certainly going to be different, this is due to how provably fairness works.
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August 08, 2016, 01:55:24 PM |
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bitdice will remove clam. and br and profit is wrong probably other stat also on clam.
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hua_hui
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August 08, 2016, 03:21:03 PM |
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Can you tell me more about the FJ faking false stat? I was around for quite some time but i didnt hear about this before. The FortuneJack faking stats "discussion" started here: " Are the wagered stats of 14+ million BTC on the homepage correct?", they denied having wrong stats a couple times, so I gave a bit more arguments in this post. Finally they acknowledged it was wrong and claimed it was because of some exchange rate bug and offered me a bug bounty in PM (probably to keep me quite - I refused.) I gave some more arguments on why the wrong stats couldn't be caused by an exchange rate bug. They basically just ignored it from there. Few days later they did lower their stats by 28 times but still basically ignored my arguments. I know FortuneJack however does have some real players who deposit/withdraw without any problem, so I don't make a huge deal out of it. But it is obviously pretty sketchy and I won't ever list them on my site because of it (impossible for me to trust their stats after that.) As i am a fan of your site, is it possible to add more gamble site to it? I see that there are other gambling sites but it is not included in your list. Thanks. I do plan to add several other sites when I finished the new version of my site. Unfortunately that is taking pretty long lol, but it will come eventually. Thanks for listenting to my suggestion. I really love how you have set a high standard for all these casinos instead of just randomly listing them. This will help us have a lot more understanding on the behavior of the casino.
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August 08, 2016, 03:40:52 PM |
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I don't know if you are familiar with betbtc sports exchange but big part of our users are professional bettors that bet via API (copying other markets like betffair, betdaq, matchbook, etc), that's what is happening now in dice, not too many users but lots of rolls and probably strategies being tested.
If you notice professional betters playing your dice via api, you should be very worried. The only time I've ever seen that before are on sites that have messed up the odds that allow people to play +EV.
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Check out gamblingsitefinder.com for a decent list/rankings of crypto casinos. Note: I have no affiliation or interest in it, and don't even agree with all the rankings ... but it's the only uncorrupted review site I'm aware of.
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August 09, 2016, 04:08:18 AM |
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Could you list some sites that didn't make the cut on your site, but are on the fringe? For example, a site like Bitvest. I'm looking for some more investment options outside of the sites you have already listed.
On new version I will probably add (not all invest-based btw): crypto-games.net, bitinvest, bustabit, luckybit, pocketdice (if they finally fix their PF method) and maybe others. Most of these (and some currently listed) will be hidden by default with some filters. So new visitors see only the "most popular dice sites" while "advanced users" can see more sites. when are you planning to release new version?
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August 09, 2016, 04:15:42 AM |
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Could you list some sites that didn't make the cut on your site, but are on the fringe? For example, a site like Bitvest. I'm looking for some more investment options outside of the sites you have already listed.
On new version I will probably add (not all invest-based btw): crypto-games.net, bitinvest, bustabit, luckybit, pocketdice (if they finally fix their PF method) and maybe others. Most of these (and some currently listed) will be hidden by default with some filters. So new visitors see only the "most popular dice sites" while "advanced users" can see more sites. when are you planning to release new version? Like a year ago, lol. No, but next month should be realistic
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August 12, 2016, 11:49:55 AM |
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You have bitvest.io on the radar to be added? I like to know their weekly stats=)
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August 12, 2016, 12:04:16 PM |
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August 24, 2016, 05:51:57 AM |
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What's about Bitsler? I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!
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NLNico (OP)
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August 24, 2016, 08:27:08 AM |
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What's about Bitsler? I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!
I think BitSler still doesn't show any wagered statistic, so I cannot add them to my site.
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August 24, 2016, 08:46:34 AM |
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I would like to know about freebitco.in is that correct don't have any provably fair mechanism to generate the outcome for rolls, hi-low and their lottery, so is there any way to verify the outcome, because so many people claiming they can manipulate the outcome easily, is that is true or not?
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NLNico (OP)
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August 24, 2016, 09:19:26 AM |
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I never looked at them and only had a quick look now: Hi/Lo freebitco.in gameFirst of all the house edge is 5%. There is nothing wrong with that, but most sites have a 0.5 - 1% house edge (and SatoshiDice highest with 1.95%.) Since they do give away free money and lottery entries, again I don't think there is anything wrong with it. But a "real dice player" probably should play somewhere else. Provably fairThey use a "nonce" but yet they change the serverseed after each roll. So I am not sure why they would use that nonce With the "per roll" provably fair implementation, it's important that the site regenerates an unique client seed in the browser after getting the new serverseed hash after each bet. freebitco.in doesn't do this. This means IMO the provably fair implementation of them is "not really" provably fair. Basically it allows them to serve a serverseed based on bet patterns (if you always go high, they would generate a low result.) The counter argument is that they shouldn't do this, because if they do this - you as a player can heavily cheat them too (bet 10x high, then a big low bet = easy profits.) Of course they could do it more subtle/smart. But besides that, the least they can do is make a result that isn't 8888 (jackpot), to scam jackpot entries completely unnoticeable. I don't think they do this, but they should still fix this. Rollin had the same and fixed it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687571.msg12122724#msg12122724 You can see more details/fix there too. Note, that you CAN still bet provably fair on their site. It just takes some time: 1) Click "provably fair" 2) write down "Hash" and "Nonce" 3) change the "Client seed" 4) make bet 5) verify bet (their link seems fine.) You will need to do this for EVERY bet. LotteryLottery is not provably fair at all. So yeh, "house player" can always win everything. If they want to implement a provably fair lottery, they should look into how PevPot used to do it. TL;DR: personally I would gamble on other sites with proper provably fair implementations (preferably with real nonce-implementation.)
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September 09, 2016, 10:35:24 AM Last edit: September 09, 2016, 04:16:58 PM by Dank Frank |
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What's about Bitsler? I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!
I think BitSler still doesn't show any wagered statistic, so I cannot add them to my site. That's too bad, could you just add a verifier for the site? Edit: Also could you update the "Provably Fair?!" page when you find the time, these sites no longer excists. dicenow.com DogeDice.me LiteDice.me MagicalDice.com RedDice.me
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NLNico (OP)
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September 12, 2016, 07:58:47 AM |
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What's about Bitsler? I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!
I think BitSler still doesn't show any wagered statistic, so I cannot add them to my site. That's too bad, could you just add a verifier for the site? Edit: Also could you update the "Provably Fair?!" page when you find the time, these sites no longer excists. dicenow.com DogeDice.me LiteDice.me MagicalDice.com RedDice.me Thnx, removed those old sites. I can add a verifier for BitSler, but I am busy on new version of site first, so probably after that.
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September 12, 2016, 08:22:48 AM |
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Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
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September 12, 2016, 08:32:33 AM Last edit: September 12, 2016, 08:42:42 AM by NLNico |
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Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the " developer handled security-bug report badly"-issue as discussed a few pages ago. But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this. Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like.
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September 12, 2016, 09:34:08 AM |
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Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the " developer handled security-bug report badly"-issue as discussed a few pages ago. But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this. Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like. We are aware of this potential issue and its gonna be soon changed on all games. Thanks for notifying us about this.
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September 12, 2016, 10:48:19 AM |
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Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the " developer handled security-bug report badly"-issue as discussed a few pages ago. But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this. Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like. Appreciate the response - very thorough. Look forward to Crypto-Games making the fix and then being added to your list
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September 13, 2016, 05:49:00 AM |
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Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the " developer handled security-bug report badly"-issue as discussed a few pages ago. But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this. Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like. We are aware of this potential issue and its gonna be soon changed on all games. Thanks for notifying us about this. Could you review our code again? Client side is changed to refresh provably fair details after every bet. Thanks.
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September 13, 2016, 06:11:44 AM |
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Really surprised BETKING is #1 compare to Primedice. I practically never heard of that site before I looked at your reviews. Its nice that they have an investment option at least.
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