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December 17, 2014, 03:47:27 AM
Last edit: December 17, 2014, 11:16:10 PM by SellingHBOGo2
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Donations are greatly appreciated to this address since I will not have access to my funds for a little over a month and a half: 1HbKQ433CErM6v4ebXzfvpEcFnnPDfcwkK
Or my PayPal address which is sellinghbogo@gmail.com . I need $550 urgently to move on from this loss, and it looks like segvec is not going to pay any single penny of it back. If it can't be donated, let me know we can set up a loan.
What happened:: LONG VERSION
Me and segvec made a deal on December the 4th, 2014. I sent him 14.09 BTC at 9:12 PM EST which was at the time worth $5172.61 USD. I did not use escrow for this transaction because we had completed 2 trades before, once for $1000 and he sent me payment via PayPal, and once for $1210 and he sent me payment via Popmoney and they were both flawless trades. He also had outstanding rep on the site, so I figured I could trust this amount with him without escrow. He agreed to send me $5744.65 by bank wire transfer the following morning, since the banks were closed at the time I sent him the BTC. He asked me to send to this address: 1G1GP5XUuxYxNZEGvv2fhF66SPgXvKRxLH . I suspected that there was a hacker on his account, because that was the first time he had asked me to send to that address, all other dealings were made using his personal coinbase address which is this address: 1AFKMiFVA2mfky6YChsp9cuv69nAVqqLiB . So I asked him to PM me on the forum (was talking to him on Skype at the time) and he did PM me and said "talking to u on skype now,5000$+ deal." And I also confirmed this address once more, with him before sending, and he once again said all is good and said that the wire transfer would be sent the following morning as agreed upon. When I spoke to him the following day, December the 5th, he told me that he's headed to Chicago because a problem has came up, but his partner sent the wire transfer around 1 PM and he will get the receipt when his partner contacts him again. He didn't provide a receipt over the weekend either, and he told me to call my bank and ask them if there is an incoming wire for $5744.65. When I called my bank on December the 7th, they said there is no incoming wire for that amount. He said it was sent no worries, and if it was not sent he will resolve it the following morning. The following day, December the 8th, he told me that the money was not sent because his partner gave him the wrong BTC address (copy+paste issue), but he is confident that his partner should be able to retrieve the funds because he's been dealing with the owner of the BTC address for a couple of years now, and I will get my funds because the mistake was made on his end and not mine and he will update me the following day on when I will receive my funds. The following day, December the 9th, he said that he will be meeting the owner of the BTC address on the 11th, and as of that moment he was confident in retrieving the funds by the 12th.  On the 11th, he said the funds should be good to go for tomorrow, the 12th. On the 12th, he came online very late evening around 11pm and told me that he has arranged payment for tomorrow, the 13th and he's going to the owner of the btc addresses's hotel to complete the payment. On the 13th, he said that the Bulgarian (owner of the BTC address) is offering a bad deal, which he won't be accepting and he will be speaking with his partner tomorrow. If his partner declines as well, then he will take the Bulgarian's deal and will have a 100% sure date for reimbursement the following day, the 14th. He finally did get me a date for reimbursement of the funds, which was early February 2015!! He said that his partner declined to pay it right now, but will pay it in February when he gets his tax return. So he stalls for 11 days after I send him the BTC, and now he's saying that I won't receive payment for more than 2 months after I sent my BTC! Even after I told him that this was unacceptable, he's still not budging on the February repayment date and even threatened to dox my entire family if this report was made and also made racist remarks towards me when he's holding on to $5k of my money. Also, I would like to add that I am making the posting from this brand new account, because my original account "SellingHBOGo" is temporarily unable to post on the forum until January 2nd, 2015 due to bumping too much. My profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=363664
SHORT VERSION
I made a deal with segvec. I was selling him 14.09 BTC, which at the time I sent to him was worth $5172.61 USD. He promised payment of $5744.65 the following day via wire transfer, but it was not sent because he claims his partner gave him the wrong btc address to send to, but this is not my fault because I confirmed the btc address 3 times before I sent to him. He was stalling on giving an exact date of reimbursement for 11 days, and now he's saying that I will be reimbursed early February of 2015, more than 2 months since I sent him the btc.
Also, I would like to add that I am making the posting from this brand new account, because my original account "SellingHBOGo" is temporarily unable to post on the forum until January 2nd, 2015 due to bumping too much. My profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=363664


Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=166177

Reference Link: N/A, the deal took place on skype
Amount Scammed: 14.09 BTC or $5172.61 USD worth at time of sending
Payment Method: Bitcoin
Proof of Payment: https://blockchain.info/tx/db965a252b1aa8139804ad4922af5d9d778a77936a48a93ef3ab9911b5015d21
PM/Chat Logs: I have posted screenshots here. I know it is possible to alter them though, so a trusted member may view my skype through teamviewer or something similar to verify the authenticity of these screenshots.
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http://gyazo.com/b051d23bae52ebbe1fa80e43bf405ae6
http://gyazo.com/502bdc5ce3fd80a64460e3619de9c33e

Additional Notes: Please do not deal with this user until this issue is resolved (which I doubt it will be). Not only has segvec wasted my time, conned me out of my money, but he has also threatened my family and made racist remarks against me all while holding on to MY MONEY.Also, I would like to add that I am making the posting from this brand new account, because my original account "SellingHBOGo" is temporarily unable to post on the forum until January 2nd, 2015 due to bumping too much. My profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=363664. There are two solutions that I would accept to solve this problem, the payment as I was promised immediately, or my 14.09 BTC back. One of the known identities that are linked to segvec, or maybe segvec himself is,Jordan Anderson / Canton, Michigan 48187. turtlehurricane has also confirmed with me that he has received many payments from segvec under that name. I really need some help recovering these funds ASAP, these are practically my life savings  Cry . The individual or individuals that help me recover the funds will be given a portion of the funds recovered. Thanks for viewing this thread.
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December 17, 2014, 03:52:06 AM
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The guy seems shady, we exchanged some messages a while ago. He refused to use escrow claiming that it's insulting to him. Also really rude and loud. I'm not surprised at all.

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December 17, 2014, 03:54:33 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.

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December 17, 2014, 03:57:26 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?
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December 17, 2014, 03:58:21 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided

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December 17, 2014, 04:03:43 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided
Did I not make it clear that the arrangement was not agreed upon  Huh . Not sure what you mean by I just put an end to myself with this one? You're going to scam me out of my money, and send a hitman after me? How is it fair for me to receive payment two months later? How do I even know you will deliver on this promise since all the other ones were broken?
Edit: segvec has just blocked me on Skype, I think he has turned full scammer mode
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December 17, 2014, 04:12:10 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided
Did I not make it clear that the arrangement was not agreed upon  Huh . Not sure what you mean by I just put an end to myself with this one? You're going to scam me out of my money, and send a hitman after me? How is it fair for me to receive payment two months later?

Sorry, last post.
We agreed to the arrangement...and you know it.

Fortunately for you, I am not dpr...  Undecided

Edit: I did block you on Skype as you are now making false claims making me out to be a scammer.
You have been blocked.

Hmm... segvec, what is the arrangement here? I don't quite follow the screenshots and stuff posted, but it seems to be that you backed out of the deal here.
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December 17, 2014, 04:15:43 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided
Did I not make it clear that the arrangement was not agreed upon  Huh . Not sure what you mean by I just put an end to myself with this one? You're going to scam me out of my money, and send a hitman after me? How is it fair for me to receive payment two months later?

Sorry, last post.
We agreed to the arrangement...and you know it.

Fortunately for you, I am not dpr...  Undecided

Edit: I did block you on Skype as you are now making false claims making me out to be a scammer.
You have been blocked.

Hmm... segvec, what is the arrangement here? I don't quite follow the screenshots and stuff posted, but it seems to be that you backed out of the deal here.

1. Partner c+p error and sent wrong address.
2. HBO sent funds to random Bulgarian that my partner was dealing with.
3. Bulgarian cashed out funds and ditched partner and myself.
4. Partner's error...so will be reimbursing via his tax return. (USA; mid-feb arrival)
5. HBO is a foreign national who is not educated enough to understand the situation.
6. Posts here in hopes of this scam report making me pay the funds back now.
7. Fails as we've already made an arrangement that will be followed.
8. /story.

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December 17, 2014, 04:19:03 AM
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I really doubt that segvec even has a partner. That's the shittiest excuse I've seen in a while. Segvec only does small trades for quick profit. Whenever he has a chance to con someone for a big amount he'll do it in the first chance. Like showcased above, and in his trust...
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I really doubt that segvec even has a partner. That's the shittiest excuse I've seen in a while. Segvec only does small trades for quick profit. Whenever he has a chance to con someone for a big amount he'll do it in the first chance. Like showcased above, and in his trust...

I completed $200k in deals in November alone.
What did you do?  Huh

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December 17, 2014, 04:22:09 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided
Did I not make it clear that the arrangement was not agreed upon  Huh . Not sure what you mean by I just put an end to myself with this one? You're going to scam me out of my money, and send a hitman after me? How is it fair for me to receive payment two months later?

Sorry, last post.
We agreed to the arrangement...and you know it.

Fortunately for you, I am not dpr...  Undecided

Edit: I did block you on Skype as you are now making false claims making me out to be a scammer.
You have been blocked.

Hmm... segvec, what is the arrangement here? I don't quite follow the screenshots and stuff posted, but it seems to be that you backed out of the deal here.

1. Partner c+p error and sent wrong address.
2. HBO sent funds to random Bulgarian that my partner was dealing with.
3. Bulgarian cashed out funds and ditched partner and myself.
4. Partner's error...so will be reimbursing via his tax return. (USA; mid-feb arrival)
5. HBO is a foreign national who is not educated enough to understand the situation.
6. Posts here in hopes of this scam report making me pay the funds back now.
7. Fails as we've already made an arrangement that will be followed.
8. /story.
1. That's your concern not mine
2. Again you told me an address and I sent
3. Your problem not mine
4. You should collect the funds yourself from him at that time not me
5. I don't get why you keep referring to me as a foreigner. I am a born Canadian
6. Why would I agree to wait 2 months to receive my money? Doesn't make any sense for me?
7. I already argued with you about that arrangement on skype which lead you to threaten my family and spew racist remarks towards me.
8. Oh, and you can't stop with the threatening can you? http://gyazo.com/81382708a9d4811759aa5c15fb7ce84d
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December 17, 2014, 04:23:42 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided
Did I not make it clear that the arrangement was not agreed upon  Huh . Not sure what you mean by I just put an end to myself with this one? You're going to scam me out of my money, and send a hitman after me? How is it fair for me to receive payment two months later?

Sorry, last post.
We agreed to the arrangement...and you know it.

Fortunately for you, I am not dpr...  Undecided

Edit: I did block you on Skype as you are now making false claims making me out to be a scammer.
You have been blocked.

Hmm... segvec, what is the arrangement here? I don't quite follow the screenshots and stuff posted, but it seems to be that you backed out of the deal here.

1. Partner c+p error and sent wrong address.
2. HBO sent funds to random Bulgarian that my partner was dealing with.
3. Bulgarian cashed out funds and ditched partner and myself.
4. Partner's error...so will be reimbursing via his tax return. (USA; mid-feb arrival)
5. HBO is a foreign national who is not educated enough to understand the situation.
6. Posts here in hopes of this scam report making me pay the funds back now.
7. Fails as we've already made an arrangement that will be followed.
8. /story.
1. That's your concern not mine
2. Again you told me an address and I sent
3. Your problem not mine
4. You should collect the funds yourself from him at that time not me
5. I don't get why you keep referring to me as a foreigner. I am a born Canadian
6. Why would I agree to wait 2 months to receive my money? Doesn't make any sense for me?
7. I already argued with you about that arrangement on skype which lead you to threaten my family and spew racist remarks towards me.
8. Oh, and you can't stop with the threatening can you? http://gyazo.com/81382708a9d4811759aa5c15fb7ce84d

1. Funds will arrive in February of 2015.
2. No one is threatening you.
3. You are a foreign national.
4. February is not two months away; recalculate using proper math.
5. I'm going to bed.

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December 17, 2014, 04:26:39 AM
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I really doubt that segvec even has a partner. That's the shittiest excuse I've seen in a while. Segvec only does small trades for quick profit. Whenever he has a chance to con someone for a big amount he'll do it in the first chance. Like showcased above, and in his trust...

I completed $200k in deals in November alone.
What did you do?  Huh

EDIT: Good night to all.

That's why the biggest trade you ever did was 5 BTC right? Holy fuck, your positive trust comes from a guy you gave 25 bucks to in order to place a poster somewhere.

Your account was created over a year ago and your posting pattern and bussiness tactics changed dramatically over the last two monts. You could have even bought an account with positive trust just to scam people.
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December 17, 2014, 04:31:18 AM
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I really doubt that segvec even has a partner. That's the shittiest excuse I've seen in a while. Segvec only does small trades for quick profit. Whenever he has a chance to con someone for a big amount he'll do it in the first chance. Like showcased above, and in his trust...

I completed $200k in deals in November alone.
What did you do?  Huh

EDIT: Good night to all.

That's why the biggest trade you ever did was 5 BTC right? Holy fuck, your positive trust comes from a guy you gave 25 bucks to in order to place a poster somewhere.

Your account was created over a year ago and your posting pattern and bussiness tactics changed dramatically over the last two monts. You could have even bought an account with positive trust just to scam people.

I bought the account.
The jig is up.
Shit...

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December 17, 2014, 04:32:49 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided
Did I not make it clear that the arrangement was not agreed upon  Huh . Not sure what you mean by I just put an end to myself with this one? You're going to scam me out of my money, and send a hitman after me? How is it fair for me to receive payment two months later?

Sorry, last post.
We agreed to the arrangement...and you know it.

Fortunately for you, I am not dpr...  Undecided

Edit: I did block you on Skype as you are now making false claims making me out to be a scammer.
You have been blocked.

Hmm... segvec, what is the arrangement here? I don't quite follow the screenshots and stuff posted, but it seems to be that you backed out of the deal here.

1. Partner c+p error and sent wrong address.
2. HBO sent funds to random Bulgarian that my partner was dealing with.
3. Bulgarian cashed out funds and ditched partner and myself.
4. Partner's error...so will be reimbursing via his tax return. (USA; mid-feb arrival)
5. HBO is a foreign national who is not educated enough to understand the situation.
6. Posts here in hopes of this scam report making me pay the funds back now.
7. Fails as we've already made an arrangement that will be followed.
8. /story.
1. That's your concern not mine
2. Again you told me an address and I sent
3. Your problem not mine
4. You should collect the funds yourself from him at that time not me
5. I don't get why you keep referring to me as a foreigner. I am a born Canadian
6. Why would I agree to wait 2 months to receive my money? Doesn't make any sense for me?
7. I already argued with you about that arrangement on skype which lead you to threaten my family and spew racist remarks towards me.
8. Oh, and you can't stop with the threatening can you? http://gyazo.com/81382708a9d4811759aa5c15fb7ce84d

1. Funds will arrive in February of 2015.
2. No one is threatening you.
3. You are a foreign national.
4. February is not two months away; recalculate using proper math.
5. I'm going to bed.

1. You backed out of the original deal that we made, I never agreed to February of 2015 when I sent you my funds.
2. Are you sure? http://gyazo.com/81382708a9d4811759aa5c15fb7ce84d That sounds a lot like threatening to me  Roll Eyes
3. Incorrect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_national
4. February is two months away from the date which I sent you the BTC. I already told you, I can't live without $5k for 2 months.
5. Good night.
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December 17, 2014, 04:33:49 AM
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I really doubt that segvec even has a partner. That's the shittiest excuse I've seen in a while. Segvec only does small trades for quick profit. Whenever he has a chance to con someone for a big amount he'll do it in the first chance. Like showcased above, and in his trust...

I completed $200k in deals in November alone.
What did you do?  Huh

EDIT: Good night to all.

That's why the biggest trade you ever did was 5 BTC right? Holy fuck, your positive trust comes from a guy you gave 25 bucks to in order to place a poster somewhere.

Your account was created over a year ago and your posting pattern and bussiness tactics changed dramatically over the last two monts. You could have even bought an account with positive trust just to scam people.

I bought the account.
The jig is up.
Shit...

What?

Also, I'm just going to point out that your PM/skype messages are indeed veiled threats to the OP.
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December 17, 2014, 04:37:05 AM
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I really doubt that segvec even has a partner. That's the shittiest excuse I've seen in a while. Segvec only does small trades for quick profit. Whenever he has a chance to con someone for a big amount he'll do it in the first chance. Like showcased above, and in his trust...

I completed $200k in deals in November alone.
What did you do?  Huh

EDIT: Good night to all.

That's why the biggest trade you ever did was 5 BTC right? Holy fuck, your positive trust comes from a guy you gave 25 bucks to in order to place a poster somewhere.

Your account was created over a year ago and your posting pattern and bussiness tactics changed dramatically over the last two monts. You could have even bought an account with positive trust just to scam people.

I bought the account.
The jig is up.
Shit...

What?

Also, I'm just going to point out that your PM/skype messages are indeed veiled threats to the OP.

They aren't threats.
They are me pointing out how idiotic he is for giving all this sensitive info and attempting to boss up here in this "scam report".

I'm not here to argue or bicker.
It's pointless to post here considering the fact that no one was scammed.

He's getting nowhere by doing this.

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December 17, 2014, 04:43:45 AM
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Arrangements were made already.
Not sure why this was posted.
Yeah an arrangement for early February 2015?!? Remind me, did I loan you bitcoin, or did I sell it to you?

Not posting here anymore.
Arrangements were made.

You just put an end to yourself with this one.  Undecided
Did I not make it clear that the arrangement was not agreed upon  Huh . Not sure what you mean by I just put an end to myself with this one? You're going to scam me out of my money, and send a hitman after me? How is it fair for me to receive payment two months later?

Sorry, last post.
We agreed to the arrangement...and you know it.

Fortunately for you, I am not dpr...  Undecided

Edit: I did block you on Skype as you are now making false claims making me out to be a scammer.
You have been blocked.

Hmm... segvec, what is the arrangement here? I don't quite follow the screenshots and stuff posted, but it seems to be that you backed out of the deal here.
Yeah John he did back out of the original deal. And seg, if you're not going to pay up now, at least this thread serves as a public reference if you decide to run away when February rolls around. This thread also proves how stubborn you are, and that you're not as trusted as you claim to be. Everyone should use escrow with this user no matter what, or else you have the possibility to be in the exact same situation as me.
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December 17, 2014, 04:48:02 AM
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Escrow via tomato is fine by me.  Wink
When February rolls around and you get your funds, I want a full apology released to the general public.

Good night.

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December 17, 2014, 04:52:22 AM
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Escrow via tomato is fine by me.  Wink
When February rolls around and you get your funds, I want a full apology released to the general public.

Good night.
I want my funds now though, as agreed upon. Then I will issue a public apology. Can I get a public poll here? Who would agree to be paid in February in my situation???
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