Ross Ulbricht faces a potential life sentence starting tomorrow.

[BADecker]

That's right. Things like this don't "work."

When a judge or attorney or prosecutor goes against the law and the rules of the court, he has to shut you up fast. Why? Because you have your copy of his actions that you can uses against him. And if he doesn't take you out right then and there, you will come and take him out by using his own stuff against him, as proof positive that he acted unlawfully.

Karl doesn't get messed with. No judge is going to outguess him. He has enough experience and guts that the judge will only dig himself in deeper.

The neat thing about this is, Karl is training a whole bunch of us to do the same things that he does. And because there are a bunch of us now, we all stand together, holding up the legal actions of each other.

Stay in the slavery if you want. But there are a whole bunch of us who don't like it this way. And we are doing something about it, legally and lawfully.

I am an anarchist and believe your intentions are well placed but my suggestion is made because many of my brethren have been locked up and harmed using these common law techniques.

watch this or read the book for some background into what happens when you play by their rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw3-s172yA4

The battle is better fought from outside of a cage than from within.

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

[TheDreadPirateDickstein]

DPR knew the risks and is getting unfairly punished.  DPR is not much different than a "Sovereign Citizen."  These beliefs, while contrary to law, are not something we need to spend millions prosecuting.  Paying your taxes is an obligation and not paying them is a crime (while taking all of the benefits of tax payment).  At the same time, he's no Aaron Swartz but it is an injustice to punish him so severely for a victimless crime.  He did displace violent criminals with an operation that catered to demands from adult humans willing to also undertake risks.  Society needs to better implement its laws to avoid injustice at all ends of the spectrum.

Paying your taxes isn't the question. Obviously, if the taxes are yours, then pay them. The question is, how do taxes get to be yours? The answer is, one way. You agree that they are yours. That's it. If you don't agree, then they aren't yours.

The IRS and law enforcement will make all kinds of threats, tell you all kinds of lies, put all kinds of pressure on you, until they trick you into saying that the taxes are yours. Once you believe they are yours, there is little way for you to be convinced that they are not. Why? Because you BELIEVE it.

Go the other direction. Make them prove that the taxes are yours. Then, drop back on the common law and get them, as people, to show you the damage and harm you have done to them individually when you don't pay. Did they get cut? Did they get a broken bone? How were they harmed? Prove it and prove that it was you that harmed them.

Quit playing devil's advocate for a bunch of IRS and government criminals that are trying to make slaves of us all.

Fuck the IRS and fuck taxation.

The force is weak with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h88XPrvHaNE

[BADecker]

Also everybody has right to do whatever they want (with their body for example) as long as they don't harm other so why are drugs forbidden but most harmful one (alcohol) to society and the body is legal one?

This is correct. It's about time we get "them" off our backs, by using the things of the Constitution that allow us to do so... against them.

Study Karl and understand, before you jump into anything.

[BADecker]

That's right. Things like this don't "work."

When a judge or attorney or prosecutor goes against the law and the rules of the court, he has to shut you up fast. Why? Because you have your copy of his actions that you can uses against him. And if he doesn't take you out right then and there, you will come and take him out by using his own stuff against him, as proof positive that he acted unlawfully.

Karl doesn't get messed with. No judge is going to outguess him. He has enough experience and guts that the judge will only dig himself in deeper.

The neat thing about this is, Karl is training a whole bunch of us to do the same things that he does. And because there are a bunch of us now, we all stand together, holding up the legal actions of each other.

Stay in the slavery if you want. But there are a whole bunch of us who don't like it this way. And we are doing something about it, legally and lawfully.

I am an anarchist and believe your intentions are well placed but my suggestion is made because many of my brethren have been locked up and harmed using these common law techniques.

watch this or read the book for some background into what happens when you play by their rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw3-s172yA4

The battle is better fought from outside of a cage than from within.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oYlJCbqqq8

[inBitweTrust]

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

The problem is that the sovereign citizen movement is attempting to outsmart judges and prosecutors by playing by some of their rules that they sometimes use. The judges and prosecutors don't care for these tactics and they will either ignore them or get angry and punish those using these techniques.

There may be a few cases where it has helped but in a majority of the cases using common law techniques makes things much worse for the defendant.

If you are arrested you already lost and your goal is to try and minimize the damage as quickly as possible. We don't need any more examples to show the hypocrisy and duplicity of the justice system. We want non violent peaceful people free as soon as possible.

[TheDreadPirateDickstein]

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

The problem is that the sovereign citizen movement is attempting to outsmart judges and prosecutors by playing by some of their rules that they sometimes use. The judges and prosecutors don't care for these tactics and they will either ignore them or get angry and punish those using these techniques.

There may be a few cases where it has helped but in a majority of the cases using common law techniques makes things much worse for the defendant.

If you are arrested you already lost and your goal is to try and minimize the damage as quickly as possible. We don't need any more examples to show the hypocrisy and duplicity of the justice system. We want non violent peaceful people free as soon as possible.

[BADecker]

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

The problem is that the sovereign citizen movement is attempting to outsmart judges and prosecutors by playing by some of their rules that they sometimes use. The judges and prosecutors don't care for these tactics and they will either ignore them or get angry and punish those using these techniques.

Correct. This is why not to play by their rules. When you make a claim against a person who has harmed you or cheated you out of something, and you take it to court, it is your court. You make the rules.

Don't play in their court. Don't play by their rules. Make your claim, even if it is right in their court when you are asked how to plead. Come back with a claim.

There may be a few cases where it has helped but in a majority of the cases using common law techniques makes things much worse for the defendant.

If you are arrested you already lost and your goal is to try and minimize the damage as quickly as possible. We don't need any more examples to show the hypocrisy and duplicity of the justice system. We want non violent peaceful people free as soon as possible.

Wrong. You may have lost for a short time. But ultimately, they will bring you to court. Reverse the thing and turn it into your claim, if at no other time, then when you are asked to plead. This is the thing that is being done here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=922181.msg10127507#msg10127507 :

...

In court...

Judge: How do you plead?

Ross: I require pen and paper, and leave of court for 5 minutes to prepare my answer.

Judge: Granted.

...

If you have already been through a jury trial, it may be all over for you. Ross hasn't yet. There is hope for him. But not if he plays by their rules.

[BADecker]

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

The problem is that the sovereign citizen movement is attempting to outsmart judges and prosecutors by playing by some of their rules that they sometimes use. The judges and prosecutors don't care for these tactics and they will either ignore them or get angry and punish those using these techniques.

There may be a few cases where it has helped but in a majority of the cases using common law techniques makes things much worse for the defendant.

If you are arrested you already lost and your goal is to try and minimize the damage as quickly as possible. We don't need any more examples to show the hypocrisy and duplicity of the justice system. We want non violent peaceful people free as soon as possible.

Braveheart was a movie about the reasons that the current common law was brought into being. It doesn't have anything to do with us today... except if we want it to. That's why I am telling you now. You have time to learn the ways of common law. Karl is one of the best teachers. Start learning.

[inBitweTrust]

If you have already been through a jury trial, it may be all over for you. Ross hasn't yet. There is hope for him. But not if he plays by their rules.

Can you cite any cases where these techniques have proved successful? What percentage of the time they are effective?

[TheDreadPirateDickstein]

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

The problem is that the sovereign citizen movement is attempting to outsmart judges and prosecutors by playing by some of their rules that they sometimes use. The judges and prosecutors don't care for these tactics and they will either ignore them or get angry and punish those using these techniques.

There may be a few cases where it has helped but in a majority of the cases using common law techniques makes things much worse for the defendant.

If you are arrested you already lost and your goal is to try and minimize the damage as quickly as possible. We don't need any more examples to show the hypocrisy and duplicity of the justice system. We want non violent peaceful people free as soon as possible.

Braveheart was a movie about the reasons that the current common law was brought into being. It doesn't have anything to do with us today... except if we want it to. That's why I am telling you now. You have time to learn the ways of common law. Karl is one of the best teachers. Start learning.

Rights are claimed, not argued. Now this forum sucks with these 5 minute rules, but the more you know.

[BADecker]

If you have already been through a jury trial, it may be all over for you. Ross hasn't yet. There is hope for him. But not if he plays by their rules.

Can you cite any cases where these techniques have proved successful? What percentage of the time they are effective?

The only one I have off the tip of my tongue is the O.J. Simpson trial. Everybody knows and knew that he was guilty. The reason he remained free was that they couldn't find anyone from law enforcement that would verify under oath that the lab specimens had not been tampered with. The chain of guilt was broken at that point. The common law in the case was simple. Yet it broke the whole case for the government.

Most of the time there is little recorded about a common law case. Government dismisses before there is anything to record. Go through Karl's stuff. You will be able to track down some cases if you work at it.

Listen here http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-932424.mp3, but you may feel that you have wasted your time.

[BADecker]

That's right. So, don't play it by their rules.

Their rules are the IRS Code. These aren't your rules. Common law of harm and damage is your rules.

The problem is that the sovereign citizen movement is attempting to outsmart judges and prosecutors by playing by some of their rules that they sometimes use. The judges and prosecutors don't care for these tactics and they will either ignore them or get angry and punish those using these techniques.

There may be a few cases where it has helped but in a majority of the cases using common law techniques makes things much worse for the defendant.

If you are arrested you already lost and your goal is to try and minimize the damage as quickly as possible. We don't need any more examples to show the hypocrisy and duplicity of the justice system. We want non violent peaceful people free as soon as possible.

Braveheart was a movie about the reasons that the current common law was brought into being. It doesn't have anything to do with us today... except if we want it to. That's why I am telling you now. You have time to learn the ways of common law. Karl is one of the best teachers. Start learning.

Rights are claimed, not argued. Now this forum sucks with these 5 minute rules, but the more you know.

Exactly! That's why Karl says to avoid using complaints, or diddling around in their complaint case. Rather, make a claim case of your own. It is the way you exercise your rights.

[inBitweTrust]

If you have already been through a jury trial, it may be all over for you. Ross hasn't yet. There is hope for him. But not if he plays by their rules.

Can you cite any cases where these techniques have proved successful? What percentage of the time they are effective?

The only one I have off the tip of my tongue is the O.J. Simpson trial. Everybody knows and knew that he was guilty. The reason he remained free was that they couldn't find anyone from law enforcement that would verify under oath that the lab specimens had not been tampered with. The chain of guilt was broken at that point. The common law in the case was simple. Yet it broke the whole case for the government.

Most of the time there is little recorded about a common law case. Government dismisses before there is anything to record. Go through Karl's stuff. You will be able to track down some cases if you work at it.

Listen here http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-932424.mp3, but you may feel that you have wasted your time.

If you are citing the OJ trial than you are agreeing with me. Perhaps, Cochran did use some common law techniques , but he had a whole bag of tricks to get OJ off . So yes, hire a sleazy attorney like Cochran and not a guy like Karl to get you off.

I am listening to other recordings you have provided me now and they sound very familiar examples of techniques friends have used that have led them into more problems and larger sentences with the court. There are many anarchists in the free state project who initially tried these techniques and none of them worked.

[BADecker]

If you have already been through a jury trial, it may be all over for you. Ross hasn't yet. There is hope for him. But not if he plays by their rules.

Can you cite any cases where these techniques have proved successful? What percentage of the time they are effective?

The only one I have off the tip of my tongue is the O.J. Simpson trial. Everybody knows and knew that he was guilty. The reason he remained free was that they couldn't find anyone from law enforcement that would verify under oath that the lab specimens had not been tampered with. The chain of guilt was broken at that point. The common law in the case was simple. Yet it broke the whole case for the government.

Most of the time there is little recorded about a common law case. Government dismisses before there is anything to record. Go through Karl's stuff. You will be able to track down some cases if you work at it.

Listen here http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-932424.mp3, but you may feel that you have wasted your time.

If you are citing the OJ trial than you are agreeing with me. Perhaps, Cochran did use some common law techniques , but he had a whole bag of tricks to get OJ off . So yes, hire a sleazy attorney like Cochran and not a guy like Karl to get you off.

I am listening to other recordings you have provided me now and they sound very familiar examples of techniques friends have used that have led them into more problems and larger sentences with the court. There are many anarchists in the free state project who initially tried these techniques and none of them worked.

If O.J. did it the way Karl suggests, he would have been out of jail and on the streets inside of a month, completely free and innocent. Actually, I don't know much about the trial, but it would have been over fast.

The interesting thing about this is, if you have a friend or relative in prison for virtually nothing, especially if there never was a jury trial, you can help him/her reopen the case, do it by common law on looking for testimony of harm or damage, requiring the judge to return your property (your friend or relative) to you, and get him/her out of there. Study Karl's stuff. There's enough free info on Youtube to do this. But use your head real well.
http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwyBESRGpm1vZRErvtSmNGg
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw

[inBitweTrust]

If O.J. did it the way Karl suggests, he would have been out of jail and on the streets inside of a month, completely free and innocent. Actually, I don't know much about the trial, but it would have been over fast.

The interesting thing about this is, if you have a friend or relative in prison for virtually nothing, especially if there never was a jury trial, you can help him/her reopen the case, do it by common law on looking for testimony of harm or damage, requiring the judge to return your property (your friend or relative) to you, and get him/her out of there. Study Karl's stuff. There's enough free info on Youtube to do this. But use your head real well.
http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwyBESRGpm1vZRErvtSmNGg
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw

Thus far you have suggested Johnnie Cochran as a lawyer who had success which is exactly what my original recommendation was. Avoid being arrested and if arrested get a professional high priced sleazy lawyer or just try and minimize the damage as much as possible with a plea deal.

Let me know when you have an example of someone wining a case or avoiding trouble doing as Karl suggests.

Until than their is a whole bunch of videos online of people getting destroyed using some of these techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FreeKeene/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InTr2i3JqEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVbiefMdNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGXnysFkdU

[bitkilo]

All the best Ross, you got a long road ahead of you mate.
Fuck all the people here putting you down, you didn't push drugs, you helped people who wanted to score get them and that should not be a crime in my books, ok maybe you went a bit over the top with hiring the hitman (if true) but still a legend to many.

Try get a hold of a laptop or mobile while inside and tells us the truth, you still have a lot of support in the community.
Keep your spirits up!

[BADecker]

If O.J. did it the way Karl suggests, he would have been out of jail and on the streets inside of a month, completely free and innocent. Actually, I don't know much about the trial, but it would have been over fast.

The interesting thing about this is, if you have a friend or relative in prison for virtually nothing, especially if there never was a jury trial, you can help him/her reopen the case, do it by common law on looking for testimony of harm or damage, requiring the judge to return your property (your friend or relative) to you, and get him/her out of there. Study Karl's stuff. There's enough free info on Youtube to do this. But use your head real well.
http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwyBESRGpm1vZRErvtSmNGg
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw

Thus far you have suggested Johnnie Cochran as a lawyer who had success which is exactly what my original recommendation was. Avoid being arrested and if arrested get a professional high priced sleazy lawyer or just try and minimize the damage as much as possible with a plea deal.

Let me know when you have an example of someone wining a case or avoiding trouble doing as Karl suggests.

Until than their is a whole bunch of videos online of people getting destroyed using some of these techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FreeKeene/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InTr2i3JqEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVbiefMdNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGXnysFkdU

All people are sovereign. Unfortunately, the folks in these videos tried to make sovereignty into something that it isn't. They certainly didn't attempt to do what they are doing anything like Karl would have. For example. Read the things starting at the top right of this website, http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/.

[inBitweTrust]

All people are sovereign. Unfortunately, the folks in these videos tried to make sovereignty into something that it isn't. They certainly didn't attempt to do what they are doing anything like Karl would have. For example. Read the things starting at the top right of this website, http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/.

I agree with you in principle , but the people who end up kidnapping and torturing you are not principled.
I understand you are suggesting that Karl has the special formula for attacking things the right way . What I am curious is are example of it working, and until than it is just a hypothesis.

[BADecker]

All people are sovereign. Unfortunately, the folks in these videos tried to make sovereignty into something that it isn't. They certainly didn't attempt to do what they are doing anything like Karl would have. For example. Read the things starting at the top right of this website, http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/.

I agree with you in principle , but the people who end up kidnapping and torturing you are not principled.
I understand you are suggesting that Karl has the special formula for attacking things the right way . What I am curious is are example of it working, and until than it is just a hypothesis.

This video is fun. Watch Karl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&index=10&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D .

[TheDreadPirateDickstein]

All the best Ross, you got a long road ahead of you mate.
Fuck all the people here putting you down, you didn't push drugs, you helped people who wanted to score get them and that should not be a crime in my books, ok maybe you went a bit over the top with hiring the hitman (if true) but still a legend to many.

Try get a hold of a laptop or mobile while inside and tells us the truth, you still have a lot of support in the community.
Keep your spirits up!

What would Mighty Dready do if he were here right noW?
He'd probably kick an ASS or two, that's what Mighty Dready'd do

Like the time he went to Canada, to fight the bitcoin bears
He wrestled them and skinned them alive to line his underwear
Or the time he went to Mexico to fight with el Cartel
He found their secret heroin stash, and burned it all to hell

What would Mighty Dready do if he were here right noW?
He'd probably kick an ASS or two, that's what Mighty Dready'd do

When Benjamin Lawsky Crossed him
DREADY PUNCHED HIM IN THE FACE
Cause Mighty Dready DOESN'T TAKE SHIT FROM
ANY
BODY

What would mighty dready do if he were here right now?
He'd probably kick an ass or two...............
Cause that's how Mighty Dready do!