Bitcoin 20MB Fork

[Arghhh]

Fortunately most people want it to keep it working how it is now.

Umm... No?

Dude he is pro fork...
Oh wait you don't read peoples posts you just skim through them quickly so you can post a witty reply.

I'm sorry, he claimed one thing, I showed him another... what I showed him, is it it NOT true???

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[forevernoob]

Fortunately most people want it to keep it working how it is now.

Umm... No?

Dude he is pro fork...
Oh wait you don't read peoples posts you just skim through them quickly so you can post a witty reply.

I'm sorry, he claimed one thing, I showed him another... what I showed him, is it it NOT true???

He means that Bitcoin should stay the way it is now. No full blocks. That can only be accomplished with a fork if the transactions keep going up.

[solex]

Fortunately most people want it to keep it working how it is now.

Umm... No?

Dude he is pro fork...
Oh wait you don't read peoples posts you just skim through them quickly so you can post a witty reply.

I'm sorry, he claimed one thing, I showed him another... what I showed him, is it it NOT true???

He means that Bitcoin should stay the way it is now. No full blocks. That can only be accomplished with a fork if the transactions keep going up.

Correct. Increasing the limit lets Bitcoin function how it is now for its users.
Leaving the limit unchanged will cause a lot of user problems, massive delays to confirmations, and higher fees.

[iCEBREAKER]

I'm not the only one who thinks your BS claim is wrong.

Okay buddy, while you cry to me about false claims, we're going to hit that 1MB limit and you're going to either see Gavin's block start appearing, or people start fleeing Bitcoin like rats from a sinking ship.

Your precious ledger will be little more than a hipster curiosity and a lot of people are going to regret that they ever invest in something so limited and unscalable.

Thank God nobody agrees with you.

Wave your hands around all you like.   

That won't distract us from your hilariously stupid false claim that "most of the 20MB opponents are altcoin supporters."

You were making stuff up and got called out, but don't even have the integrity to admit/correct your allegation is demonstrably false.

Plenty of people agree with keeping Bitcoin small and defensible.  Among them, neither Theymos nor MP nor tvbcof nor NewLibery nor sardokan nor davout nor Pete Dushenski are "altcoin supporters."   

GigaBloatCoin has far less than the required 95% support and is thus not going to happen.  Quick, sell all your BTC before they become worthless hipster curiosities!   

[Arghhh]

GigaBloatCoin has far less than the required 95% support and is thus not going to happen.  Quick, sell all your BTC before they become worthless hipster curiosities!  

I fucking did, that's why you're left holding the bag with the 80% drop since December '13  

And where did you get the 95% support from? Hmmm?

http://gavintech.blogspot.de/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html

"Current rules if no consensus as measured by block.nVersion supermajority.
Supermajority defined as: 800 of last 1000 blocks have block.nVersion == 4"

Once that thing goes live, you're just going to get dragged by the nose into it.

[Arghhh]

Plenty of people agree with keeping Bitcoin small and defensible.  Among them, neither Theymos nor MP nor tvbcof nor NewLibery nor sardokan nor davout nor Pete Dushenski are "altcoin supporters."  

I'm sure plenty of those people didn't get invited to speak at the MIT Bitcoin Expo. Gavin did. What's your point buddy?

[iCEBREAKER]

GigaBloatCoin has far less than the required 95% support and is thus not going to happen.  Quick, sell all your BTC before they become worthless hipster curiosities!  

I fucking did, that's why you're left holding the bag with the 80% drop since December '13  

And where did you get the 95% support from? Hmmm?

http://gavintech.blogspot.de/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html

"Current rules if no consensus as measured by block.nVersion supermajority.
Supermajority defined as: 800 of last 1000 blocks have block.nVersion == 4"

Once that thing is going live, you're just going to get dragged by nose into it.

Thanks for the correction.  But the Pro side is only running 60%, far short of the required 80% minimum.

I'm not going to be dragged into GigaBloatCoin.

I will instead invest in MP's Hardfork Exploitation Fund, which will keep my coins safe on the sleek/agile Satoshi chain while profiting from wreaking lulzy havoc on the hypertrophic Gavin chain:

http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/

The fate of this fork will be exactly the fate of all attempted forks to date : the savvy Bitcoin holders will sell their fake-Bitcoins on the fake network, while double-spending (and thus invalidating) their sale on the actual network, thereby keeping their actual Bitcoin safe.iv The proceeds of this "victimless"v crime will be used to purchase more legitimate Bitcoins on the legitimate network, thus draining away value from the holders of Bitcoin fakes, into the pockets of the legitimate Bitcoin holders.

I'm not surprised you don't even own Bitcoins; clearly you have no idea what the concept of an antifragile crypto currency means, much less implies and/or entails.  

EDIT: Do you still believe your hilariously stupid false claim that "most of the 20MB opponents are altcoin supporters?"  Why or why not?   

[Lauda]

Keeping a 1MB block limit will make the fees rise to a competitive level.

If the fees are higher than WU or SWIFT then it's logical that people will migrate back to those systems to other coins' less crowded/expensive/slow blockchains.  Understood?  Was it hard?

Fixed it for you.

So you're supporting altcoins. Nice anti-fork argument, sigh..

Looking good. 

[BusyBeaverHP]

BusyBeaverHP: I've updated your original:

10/10 would fork again <3

[Pecunia non olet]

guys, the bitbeans shitcoin with 20MB blocks falls out of sync (no surprise for me)

conclusion: 20MB blocks will likely lead to bad sync and qt-clients falling out of sync.
This problem will almost certainly occure and make bitcoin a horror for the user.
Syncing problems for a majority of users can be expected.

#justsayin'

[Possum577]

an economy cannot succeed if it does not scale to meet and/or enable growth. It's practically a law of nature.

[Pecunia non olet]

an economy cannot succeed if it does not scale to meet and/or enable growth. It's practically a law of nature.

Crypto scales perfectly. The economy can scale up to 6 billion users, just not on one single blockchain; more like a couple of them.

The economy scales perfectly already. It's not like we would run out of space for txs in crypto EVER.

Arguing like a fanatic (out of greed) for a central point of failure is irrational and is going to EPIC FAIL one way or another.
Bitcoin is fine, what needs an update is your brain.

[Pecunia non olet]

Bitcoin is not "an economy"


Also, a point that I see here often talkin' about "1mbers"

between 1mb and "20 + double ten times to finish with gigabyte block", I see an ocean of solutions

It's not A or B

It's do you accept B?
No !

So saying, let's longly talk about A because blabla is no argument to chose B

I wait for C

There is heaps of solutions.

We actually do not even have a problem.

[hdbuck]

I also have an impression that there are much more tech saavy people that are against this fork than pro (I didn't say all, but much more, for shity readers)

never follow teh masses. never. ever. they're dead already. zombi sheeples.

[DooMAD]

GigaBloatCoin has far less than the required 95% support and is thus not going to happen.  Quick, sell all your BTC before they become worthless hipster curiosities!  

And where did you get the 95% support from? Hmmm?

http://gavintech.blogspot.de/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html

"Current rules if no consensus as measured by block.nVersion supermajority.
Supermajority defined as: 800 of last 1000 blocks have block.nVersion == 4"

Once that thing is going live, you're just going to get dragged by nose into it.

Thanks for the correction.  But the Pro side is only running 60%, far short of the required 80% minimum.

If you honestly believe that any future adopters of bitcoin will share your views, then you really are just the embodiment of the elitist who thinks they can have their cake and eat it.  If you want to be one of the elites, then you have to accept that as more people join, you're going to become more and more of a minority.  New users aren't going to want the same thing you do.  Why would they want to support a chain that won't support them?  Either that, or you have to admit that you want to burn the bridge behind you and make Bitcoin intentionally unattractive to new users, which sounds like the direction you're heading in.  It's inevitable that sooner or later there will be a tipping point.  That current 60% will be at least 80% sooner than you might think.  You're already losing and you'll be losing by a bigger margin with every new user. 

[davout]

You're already losing and you'll be losing by a bigger margin with every new user. 

Since when is Bitcoin a democracy?

[DooMAD]

You're already losing and you'll be losing by a bigger margin with every new user. 

Since when is Bitcoin a democracy?

It's not, it's better than that.  The elites have found it incredibly easy to manipulate democracy, but they'll find it much more difficult to do the same here.  I hope you're all going to put your money where your mouth is and put up those 1mb nodes.  Just know that every single startup, merchant, payment processor, venture capitalist and new user are against you.  All of those groups will gain from the benefits of network effects and a larger userbase.  Your side of the argument is campaigning against a larger userbase.  That's what it boils down to.  Get ready to put a hell of a lot of money in to try and beat them.  I doubt you're going to have much success, though.

[hdbuck]

GigaBloatCoin has far less than the required 95% support and is thus not going to happen.  Quick, sell all your BTC before they become worthless hipster curiosities!  

And where did you get the 95% support from? Hmmm?

http://gavintech.blogspot.de/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html

"Current rules if no consensus as measured by block.nVersion supermajority.
Supermajority defined as: 800 of last 1000 blocks have block.nVersion == 4"

Once that thing is going live, you're just going to get dragged by nose into it.

Thanks for the correction.  But the Pro side is only running 60%, far short of the required 80% minimum.

If you honestly believe that any future adopters of bitcoin will share your views, then you really are just the embodiment of the elitist who thinks they can have their cake and eat it.  If you want to be one of the elites, then you have to accept that as more people join, you're going to become more and more of a minority.  New users aren't going to want the same thing you do.  Why would they want to support a chain that won't support them?  Either that, or you have to admit that you want to burn the bridge behind you and make Bitcoin intentionally unattractive to new users, which sounds like the direction you're heading in.  It's inevitable that sooner or later there will be a tipping point.  That current 60% will be at least 80% sooner than you might think.  You're already losing and you'll be losing by a bigger margin with every new user.  

erf, new bitcoin adopter?! try new bitcoin speculator..

bitcoin is a safe-algorithmic-haven from the extraordinary growing BS we call financial system.
people that dont get it will deserve what's going to hit them. they're dead(lifts) anyway. seeking regulation and control over and over again. + they think you bitcoiner crazy..
but their bank account is not backed by +350PH computing power (exponentially growing, no matter your block-political demagoguery).

this is how bitcoin should be pitched for it to gain massive inflow of cash, not talking about freakin oranges and apples, praying on the starving africans and other frappucino cravers..

short your excessive fiat, buy bitcoin and ferakin hodl
scarcity in both outstanding units and transactions will do the rest..

maybe buy some popcorn wit your precious bitcoin but that's quite it. nah forget it buy it with worthless dollars or euros.. eurocard/visa/ripple whatever. just stop spamming the blockchain.

[davout]

Just know that every single startup, merchant, payment processor, venture capitalist and new user are against you.

Really?

[DooMAD]

Just know that every single startup, merchant, payment processor, venture capitalist and new user are against you.

Really?

Linking to an article that mentions "mass market adoption" while supporting a limit that would suppress mass adoption only further serves to highlight the dichotomy in your stance.  You can't have it both ways.  If you want mass adoption, 1MB is not sufficient.  But most of the other things you've said in the various threads on this topic seem to suggest you don't want mass adoption.