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March 11, 2015, 07:02:37 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

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March 11, 2015, 07:03:41 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

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March 11, 2015, 07:05:23 PM
 #123

Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

You have some control over the markets, makes you feel powerful, and generate you a good sum of profit in the end. It's a win-win kind of thing if you do insider trading.  Grin

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March 11, 2015, 07:14:59 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

You have some control over the markets, makes you feel powerful, and generate you a good sum of profit in the end. It's a win-win kind of thing if you do insider trading.  Grin

Yes and if you are arguing from a gametheoretical point of view, (like prisoners dilemma) you can even say that it is better if you do it yourself. Because if you are not doing it, someone else will and he might fuck you over even harder.

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March 11, 2015, 07:24:02 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

You have some control over the markets, makes you feel powerful, and generate you a good sum of profit in the end. It's a win-win kind of thing if you do insider trading.  Grin

Yes and if you are arguing from a gametheoretical point of view, (like prisoners dilemma) you can even say that it is better if you do it yourself. Because if you are not doing it, someone else will and he might fuck you over even harder.

But apparently you cannot accomplish insider trading without some "inside information". You could rely on their information and on the other hand, you will do the trading and you will each get some profits.

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March 11, 2015, 07:25:54 PM
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I could use any tips on this matter aswell!

Please pm me some of your ideas, just bought 100btc from my retiring fund!



100 bitcoins? Well you must be heavily invested by now! First thing is that never entrust anyone with your money (if this story is true). Entrust your money with only yourself. Don't get too much excited about growing it because it is one of the reasons why people end up getting burned and losing their money. Just wait and don't bother too much, though we are talking about almost $30,000 in here.

EDIT: where is that guy?

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March 11, 2015, 07:29:09 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

You have some control over the markets, makes you feel powerful, and generate you a good sum of profit in the end. It's a win-win kind of thing if you do insider trading.  Grin

Yes and if you are arguing from a gametheoretical point of view, (like prisoners dilemma) you can even say that it is better if you do it yourself. Because if you are not doing it, someone else will and he might fuck you over even harder.

But apparently you cannot accomplish insider trading without some "inside information". You could rely on their information and on the other hand, you will do the trading and you will each get some profits.

What I was referring to was that after the news breaks and you didn't act on it, you will get "punished" by not acting on the info.

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March 11, 2015, 07:50:32 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

You have some control over the markets, makes you feel powerful, and generate you a good sum of profit in the end. It's a win-win kind of thing if you do insider trading.  Grin

Yes and if you are arguing from a gametheoretical point of view, (like prisoners dilemma) you can even say that it is better if you do it yourself. Because if you are not doing it, someone else will and he might fuck you over even harder.

But apparently you cannot accomplish insider trading without some "inside information". You could rely on their information and on the other hand, you will do the trading and you will each get some profits.

What I was referring to was that after the news breaks and you didn't act on it, you will get "punished" by not acting on the info.

Oh I missed your point there. Thought you're saying to do that alone--as in literally.

The "punishment" you might receive is the regret of not acting fast enough to take advantage of the situation. It's hard to sleep at night thinking that you've let a big opportunity slip right out of your hands by not doing anything. Tongue

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March 11, 2015, 09:31:41 PM
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The best way I believe to invest your BTC would be to think of a way to encourage more use of BTC
For example;

Split you BTC in to 2 groups, one to invest and another to mature, the amounts are up to you but you may set it 20/80

If you had a coffee shop and every coffee you sold came with a small BTC cashback to the customer's mobile wallet or whatever (some customers are going to turn down the offer so you keep their cashback).

As well as accepting fiat obviously accept BTC as well. over time the returning customers will gain enough cashback to buy a coffee outright, or discount at least, if they do not usually deal with BTC in any other way, alternatively they could use it with other BTC friendly vendors. Also in the meantime some BTC holders may want to actually spend some of their BTC in your shop instead of just sitting on it waiting for something to happen.

It works as a basic loyalty system but over time more vendors of products and services are going to accept BTC, more buy volume on exchanges means prices go up to meet demand.

the BTC price may settle at an amount that you might want to sell your long term stash at or that same stash may become totally useable and with the inflation of BTC value you could buy a new house with it(maybe not?)

More use = more value! (-in fiat, in the short term)

BTC gains value by usage, it is not an asset at all, it is a way of trading value securely without centralised banks

Where it looks like an asset is, in the early years of the transition from fiat to BTC, going to show up the ones who sat on their coins and sold them for fiat

But if the whole world accepted BTC what are you going to sell it for?

As it becomes accepted down supply roots i.e. ; coffee shop owner sells you cups of coffee for BTC because they can buy beans for BTC because the bean farmers can buy fertiliser and tools and pay workers in BTC and the workers can buy food and pay rent with BTC. I'm missing out a few steps but you get the idea.

With any luck in some years we may be able to leave this fiat shite way behind us... 
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March 11, 2015, 09:35:10 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

Hahah, definitely not an "invisible hand" kind of thing, but that's pretty funny.

What kind of inside information? There's no "news" to be on the inside of for any of these coins. This is just price manipulation. If create PossumCoin I can do whatever I want to the price to satisfy whatever motive I want. It's definitely a shitty move on my part, and not likely to lead to PossumCoin success but criminal activity is always possible.

The only guaranteed way to get a return is to invest in yourself.

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BTC gains value by usage, it is not an asset at all, it is a way of trading value securely without centralised banks

Where it looks like an asset is, in the early years of the transition from fiat to BTC, going to show up the ones who sat on their coins and sold them for fiat

But if the whole world accepted BTC what are you going to sell it for?

As it becomes accepted down supply roots i.e. ; coffee shop owner sells you cups of coffee for BTC because they can buy beans for BTC because the bean farmers can buy fertiliser and tools and pay workers in BTC and the workers can buy food and pay rent with BTC. I'm missing out a few steps but you get the idea.

With any luck in some years we may be able to leave this fiat shite way behind us...  

A lot of debate exists about this. There's no value to be gained if BTC is primarily a currency, much like investing in currencies isn't a thing people do. People speculate on currencies to take advantage of short term differences in value between two currencies but if you hold Euros, you're not earning a return. BTC could very well be an asset class if it remains an "alternative currency" to fiat options. If it replaces fiat options we'll see the currency reality you're predicting.

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BTC gains value by usage, it is not an asset at all, it is a way of trading value securely without centralised banks

Where it looks like an asset is, in the early years of the transition from fiat to BTC, going to show up the ones who sat on their coins and sold them for fiat

But if the whole world accepted BTC what are you going to sell it for?

As it becomes accepted down supply roots i.e. ; coffee shop owner sells you cups of coffee for BTC because they can buy beans for BTC because the bean farmers can buy fertiliser and tools and pay workers in BTC and the workers can buy food and pay rent with BTC. I'm missing out a few steps but you get the idea.

With any luck in some years we may be able to leave this fiat shite way behind us... 

A lot of debate exists about this. There's no value to be gained if BTC is primarily a currency, much like investing in currencies isn't a thing people do. People speculate on currencies to take advantage of short term differences in value between two currencies but if you hold Euros, you're not earning a return. BTC could very well be an asset class if it remains an "alternative currency" to fiat options. If it replaces fiat options we'll see the currency reality you're predicting.

Even as a currency, it could go up in value. Just like we hold cash now, people would hold bitcoins. And the more people there are holding them, the more their value goes up.

It's an interesting experiment, to be sure. But keep in mind that the reason the dollar is inflating is because people are holding and the government keeps printing more to cover debts (or something along those lines. If everyone spent all their money, the debt, I believe, would be nonexistent due to significant taxes, which would be funneled back into the economy).

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March 11, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
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Insider trading is illegal and immoral, but it's probably the best way to generate a huge profit with minimal risk, if the guy you're talking to is a person you know and trust. Probably the best option to go for if you're trading altcoins etc., as there's lots of people on the dark net who can provide those kind of information.

regardless if its immoral or not, people do it lol

its called capitalism and those who can get away with it will do it over again.

Insider trading might be immoral but it is definately not illegal in all markets. Bitcoin and altcoin markets are not regulated and can thus not be under normal regulation regarding insider trading.

And because of that, some people who have some solid connections to the exchanges do this, generating themselves huge profits. I would admit that if I have that some kind of connection, I would sometimes do it for the sake of profit. Not being greedy or evil, but just being practical.

There is no obligation whatsoever to not do it. You actually make the markets more efficient by doing it. "invisible hand" kind of thing Wink

Hahah, definitely not an "invisible hand" kind of thing, but that's pretty funny.

What kind of inside information? There's no "news" to be on the inside of for any of these coins. This is just price manipulation. If create PossumCoin I can do whatever I want to the price to satisfy whatever motive I want. It's definitely a shitty move on my part, and not likely to lead to PossumCoin success but criminal activity is always possible.

The only guaranteed way to get a return is to invest in yourself.

I define insider trading as using an information only a person on the inside have, that will move the market if it was public. ( That is also how it is defined in the laws)

What you are referring to is just hype for pump and dumps, that is something substantially different.

My situation: You know that your coin gets listed on Bitfinex in 2 days and buy a shitton of it.

Your situation: You buy a shitton and then create a big rumor that Bitfinex will list it in 2 days, even though it won't and you dump into the buyers.

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Make sure you always do your research so you know what youre getting into.
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WHERE CAN I TRUST 100% TO INVEST MY COINS for garentee payback
CAN ANY ONE SUGGEST ME ?


100% trust. Buy your coins trusting yourself 100% then keeping them in a wallet and making sure you have a backup and secured wallet. Save them for 6 to 8 months or longer and check price and sit on them and watch the price go up in time and that way you have a guaranteed pay back in the future if it goes up. Buy low sell high.  Eat, Sleep, Buy low, Sell high Repeat. Profit Smiley

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March 12, 2015, 07:00:12 PM
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WHERE CAN I TRUST 100% TO INVEST MY COINS for garentee payback
CAN ANY ONE SUGGEST ME ?


100% trust. Buy your coins trusting yourself 100% then keeping them in a wallet and making sure you have a backup and secured wallet. Save them for 6 to 8 months or longer and check price and sit on them and watch the price go up in time and that way you have a guaranteed pay back in the future if it goes up. Buy low sell high.  Eat, Sleep, Buy low, Sell high Repeat. Profit Smiley

Very true.

It is mindboggeling that most people don't think that bitcoin alone is a big investment. Are those people trying to invest their Google Stock? Like lending them out? If not, why not?

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WHERE CAN I TRUST 100% TO INVEST MY COINS for garentee payback
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100% trust. Buy your coins trusting yourself 100% then keeping them in a wallet and making sure you have a backup and secured wallet. Save them for 6 to 8 months or longer and check price and sit on them and watch the price go up in time and that way you have a guaranteed pay back in the future if it goes up. Buy low sell high.  Eat, Sleep, Buy low, Sell high Repeat. Profit Smiley

Well, yeah, you'd have a "guaranteed" return if it goes up. But who is to say it'll keep going up? Bitcoin is still very much experimental. The support behind it could just as easily move to a different crypto, leaving BTC to die later. It's still a very risky investment at this point.

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WHERE CAN I TRUST 100% TO INVEST MY COINS for garentee payback
CAN ANY ONE SUGGEST ME ?


In real life you cannot have guarranteed payback, even if you can the yield would be negligible since no meal is free.
However, if you want to invest some % of your bitcoins, you can consider: Bitmixer.io, Bitbond.com, or the gambling sites that allow you to invest in their bankroll. If you have altcoins to invest you could invest in BikiniDice.com bankroll (DOGE, Litecoin, Darkcoin, etc.).

Good luck....and don't invest more of the amount you can afford to lose.
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March 13, 2015, 07:45:25 PM
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WHERE CAN I TRUST 100% TO INVEST MY COINS for garentee payback
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In real life you cannot have guarranteed payback, even if you can the yield would be negligible since no meal is free.
However, if you want to invest some % of your bitcoins, you can consider: Bitmixer.io, Bitbond.com, or the gambling sites that allow you to invest in their bankroll. If you have altcoins to invest you could invest in BikiniDice.com bankroll (DOGE, Litecoin, Darkcoin, etc.).

Good luck....and don't invest more of the amount you can afford to lose.
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Nice said! Thanks for the information, I also was looking for some places to invest...
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you can trust me . im serios and focus trader .
just pm me to make project or make a partner.
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