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February 28, 2015, 01:57:45 PM
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Everyone is quick to make the assumption that Putin was behind this. There isn't any evidence that he is behind it. For instance this could be someone who wants to rally against Putin in the future, but want's everyone to believe Putin was the one behind this thus giving this unknown person an advantage. Although, that would be another assumption. I don't think anyone will trust the news which is going to be fed to us by the Russian news. So, we're probably not going to find out the truth anyway.

This may of not been done by any one official either. There's to many possibilities to make a quick assumption.
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February 28, 2015, 02:02:32 PM
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I was expecting this news in the Western sources with booming headlines that already indirectly assign the guilt. I wasn't disappointed.

Let's look at it from a logical, investigative point of view.

Nemcov was a prominent figure in Yeltsin's administration, participating in dismantling of Russia's economics and industry. As an opposition figure, he was more of a second fiddle - much less of a thorn in Russia's collective side than, say, Hodorkovskij and Naval'nyj (both are still breathing, by the way). Nemcov didn't figure much on the news front either.

Another background piece: An anti-maidan march is planned for the 1st of March. Nemcov's death comes at a very opportune moment give the "opposition" ammo against this anti-maidan.

Nemcov's death is just another headache for Putin, and he takes it under personal control is because this presents a problem for Russia's national security. As for MSM - whatever Putin did with regard to the investigation - if he took it under control or not - he would still be angled as a guilty party.

Those who benefit from his death are the "opposition" and their handlers. The girlfriend from Kiev gives some room for thought, but might be a coincidence - there are tens of millions of Ukrainians living in Russia.

Another possibility is purely monetary - read somewhere that Nemcov handled large sums of money and may have fallen victim of a gang-war style crime, unconnected with present politics altogether.

My personal feeling is that Nemcov became a sacrificial lamb for the (overseas) forces nurturing the "opposition" in Russia, the forces that openly stated the the end goal is a revolt and unseating of Putin - war on the Russian border in Ukraine and economic war are just pieces in this bigger game. Nemcov may have fallen as yet another piece.

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February 28, 2015, 02:14:02 PM
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I was expecting this news in the Western sources with booming headlines that already indirectly assign the guilt. I wasn't disappointed.

Let's look at it from a logical, investigative point of view.

Nemcov was a prominent figure in Yeltsin's administration, participating in dismantling of Russia's economics and industry. As an opposition figure, he was more of a second fiddle - much less of a thorn in Russia's collective side than, say, Hodorkovskij and Naval'nyj (both are still breathing, by the way). Nemcov didn't figure much on the news front either.

Another background piece: An opposition march is planned for the 1st of March. What it lacked is a clear strong slogan. Nemcov's death comes at a very opportune moment for the opposition, like a gift from above. The previous attempt at "maidan" in Russia - a Bolotnaja square upheaval failed. A much stronger rallying point is needed, and hey presto, here it comes!

Nemcov's death is just another headache for Putin, and he takes it under personal control is because this presents a problem for Russia's national security. As for MSM - whatever Putin did with regard to the investigation - if he took it under control or not - he would still be angled as a guilty party.

Those who benefit from his death are the "opposition" and their handlers. The girlfriend from Kiev gives some room for thought, but might be a coincidence - there are tens of millions of Ukrainians living in Russia.

My feeling is that Nemcov became a sacrificial lamb for the (overseas) forces nuturing the "opposition" in Russia, the forces that openly stated the the end goal is a revolt and unseating of Putin - war on the Russian border in Ukraine and economic war are just pieces in this bigger game. Nemcov may have fallen as yet another piece.

Below is a Snowden poster taken from the Russian subforum:

Пpoцecc пoшёл, ждём ктo cлeдyющий.


Snowden is allegedly saying in this poster that "they have started getting rid of their long-term puppets. They are afraid of those who failed to fulfill their orders but happen to know too much. The U.S. Department of State won't stop at Nemtsov, they will continue to kill".

Don't know how authentic is this actually, though.
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February 28, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
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Snowden is allegedly saying in this poster that "they have started getting rid of their long-term puppets. They are afraid of those who failed to fulfill their orders but happen to know too much. The U.S. Department of State won't stop at Nemtsov, they will continue to kill".

Don't know how authentic is this actually, though.

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February 28, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
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As of now, the primary version of the investigation into Nemtsov's killing is that he was killed by the ultra right-wing radicals, who consider both the powers that be and the political opposition as their enemies.
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February 28, 2015, 08:44:21 PM
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https://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/mord-an-boris-nemzow/

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Sollte der Sicherheitsapparat also Täter präsentieren – was sehr wahrscheinlich ist, aber dazu kommen wir noch – so wird Lokshin wahrscheinlich behaupten, es seien vorgeschobene Sündenböcke – in Wahrheit stecke Putin persönlich dahinter.

That would be typical demotard's reaction indeed. Cheesy
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February 28, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
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I always thought of Nemtsov as a stud, his face and smile had been ever betraying his thoughts and intentions. I absolutely like such photos. They speak louder than words.


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February 28, 2015, 08:49:57 PM
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It was Putin under holographic projection.
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February 28, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
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Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!
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February 28, 2015, 10:57:01 PM
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Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

The statement is pretty loaded and can fire both ways. What exactly are you trying to imply by it? Also, some proof about that Ukrainian woman being a fascist, please? I have no idea what her identity is, so I am curious.

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February 28, 2015, 10:57:48 PM
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I totally agree. Russia is a different country. The people have seen what Ukraine has done and will never support
the same sort of thing in Russia.
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February 28, 2015, 11:12:39 PM
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Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

The statement is pretty loaded and can fire both ways. What exactly are you trying to imply by it? Also, some proof about that Ukrainian woman being a fascist, please? I have no idea what her identity is, so I am curious.
Somebody joking that she is a prostitute. Cheesy

But actually she's 23 years old model. I don't know very much about her political views but she was in close relationships with Nemtsov.
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February 28, 2015, 11:13:25 PM
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Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

As I've read from the comments on the German site from where I took Nemtsov the fucker photo, a dead Nemtsov creates more trouble for Putin than a live one.
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February 28, 2015, 11:48:13 PM
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Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

The statement is pretty loaded and can fire both ways. What exactly are you trying to imply by it? Also, some proof about that Ukrainian woman being a fascist, please? I have no idea what her identity is, so I am curious.
Somebody joking that she is a prostitute. Cheesy

But actually she's 23 years old model. I don't know very much about her political views but she was in close relationships with Nemtsov.

23? she looks 50. And whats going on with that photo? whats the backstory? russians are so weird.
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March 01, 2015, 12:07:24 AM
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russians are so weird.
Don't confuse this liberastic thug with russians. These demotards are seem weird not due to their nationality, but because of their schizophrenic activities. It doesn't depend on nationality and they would seem weird to any sensible person.

23? she looks 50. And whats going on with that photo? whats the backstory? russians are so weird.
I'm talking about the one who was a witness to his death.









Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. Smiley
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March 01, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
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Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

With statements like this it wouldn't surprise me if the assassination was just some lone radical who thought he was acting patriotically.
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March 01, 2015, 12:53:43 AM
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With statements like this it wouldn't surprise me if the assassination was just some lone radical who thought he was acting patriotically.
That woudn't surprise me too.  Grin

Shame on me, but I have to admit that  "God bless the assasin, he deserves a long life and the prosperity" was my first thought on this event.
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March 01, 2015, 02:11:59 PM
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Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. Smiley

Wow Roll Eyes if a girl like that has something to say I'm all ears. 


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March 01, 2015, 04:02:55 PM
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There is a $3 million bounty for the info about Nemcov's killing:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/281601-skr-poobeshchal-3-mln-rublei-za-tsennuyu-informatsiyu-ob-ubiistve-nemtsova

Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. Smiley

Wow Roll Eyes if a girl like that has something to say I'm all ears.  

She refuses to make use of Russian witness protection program. She is now under guard as a witness, however her lawyer demands that she is let go:
http://ria.ru/incidents/20150301/1050270226.html
And an interesting twist of events. Official Kiev sent a note to Russian Ministry of Foreign affairs demanding that Durickaja is immediately sent to Ukraine. Makes you think why all the fuss from Kiev?
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/3/1/732083.html?jkl

And another twist, connecting to Ukraine. A march in memory of Nemcov was organised, counting 21000 participants (on such short notice: Charlie Hebdo, anyone?!). One of the participants was the present MP of Ukraine, Goncharenko, who was a present at the Odessa massacre last year and is suspected of burning people. He's been arrested on these charges:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/3/1/732084.html

And, finally, Nemcov's murder was caught on camera, and the events can be fully reconstructed:
http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/62541

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March 01, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
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Wow Roll Eyes if a girl like that has something to say I'm all ears.  
Nothing special, there are millions of them.

And an interesting twist of events. Official Kiev sent a note to Russian Ministry of Foreign affairs demanding that Durickaja is immediately sent to Ukraine.
Oh yeah. And then we'll see some news about car accident, food poisoning or suicide.
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