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September 12, 2016, 06:39:36 AM
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Why does it seem like you're intentionally overlooking the bullshit Xiao has spewed over tha past couple days?

You seem to be a Betcoin player, so you're most likely aware of all the bullshit they've pulled as well.  Why are you here defending them?  (or am I missing something?)

Why is games-protect getting all the hate?

Do you believe Betcoin is raking over 75 coin per month?  (Xiao says his sign ups alone have been)

Do you believe that Xiao doesn't make his income off sports/casino losses because his 500+ sign ups only play poker?

How do you feel about Xiao helping Betcoin to cover up the BBJP issue, the overcharging rake and underpaying rewards for months and countless other issues? 

How about Betcoin intentionally quoting fake skyped logs from Ajundftd of me "admitting" to ddos them?
@Twitchy

Classic Twitchy. When someone has a different opinion than you, the person must be a shill for X or Y.

On Xiao.

If you think I am siding with Xiao, I have no side but only the poker players’ one.

I suggest you to read again the 1st part of my post where I suggest Betcoin to give other Affiliates the same deal as Xiao for Poker.
I suggest you to read as well my posts on the old Xiao BTCTalk thread.

All of your questions concerning Xiao’s personal deal have nothing to do with the poker players. It does not matter how much he has on Casino/Sportsbook, how much he makes and so on.

As I said once again in my post, players can be disappointed that he has no pull on Betcoin policies considering his special relationship. And I have been myself quite a critic towards him for that. But past that, you just have to treat him as your random poker affiliate.

What does it mean ? At the end of the day for the poker players the only question is: does this affiliate deliver on what he is offering ?
The Answer is: yes.

You can talk about the Ungod case, where Ungod said he was shorted by Xiao on his RB. But Ungod said publicly that his issue with Xiao has been resolved.
I can say that I have not been shorted on my RB by Xiao and the only times I had not the right amount it was a Betcoin issue (easy to prove: your rake * 5 = VIP Status points, if =/= then something is wrong).
That does not mean it is true for everyone, but like I said the only case I can think of is Ungod’s and he said himself that it was resolved.


On Betcoin.


I am “Vae Victis” there.
I have raised my voice in public on a lot of different Betcoin issues and I have even been censored on their forum for that.
I have nothing to prove and even less lessons to receive from you on that front.


On game-protect.


The guy is an obvious crook.
He is offering a poker player “protection” for money/affiliations: do you really think he is able to deliver it ?

The fact that you’re willing to softball this guy is mind-blowing.




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I am not aware that "Player Protection" add Game Protect affiliate links to his posts, please quote?
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Curacao license 1668/JAZ scam, 100 questions from The Hague

THE HAGUE, WILLEMSTAD – The government in Curacao must answer all questions from the Parliament in The Hague about the gaming sector on the island. That is according to a majority of the Second Chamber of the Dutch Parliament.

The Minister of Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk has to send more than 100 questions asked by Dutch MPs to the Curacao government. Most of these questions come from the MP for the Socialist Party Ronald van Raak.

Van Raak indicated that he doesn’t like the answers he received from Plasterk. The MP now has the support of the ruling party VVD and the Labour Party PvdA to have the government in Willemstad answer these questions.

Van Raak believes that the gambling sector in Curacao is illegal and that the public company UTS is involved in it. He also believes that the KPMG is supporting UTS in this business.

Recently asked questions from van Raak about the Curacao gambling industry

1) Is it true that the construction of master and sub-licenses in the gambling industry used on Curacao has no legal basis?

2) Is it true that UTS as casino licensee shall not report unusual transactions to the MOT?

3) Is it true that the online casino network UTS also facilitates the use of (master-) licensing, Internet licensing, logo, marketing, and other turnkey services including colocation, e-zones services, legal and compliance services, corporate services, fiducary services, IT infrastructure and support, telephone, leased lines and internet infrastructure, gaming software, banking, card payment and authorization services?

4) Does the UTS (master-) licensee fulfill its responsibility for tax payments from its casino network?

5) Is it true that the service KPMG provides for UTS include legal, tax and financial advisory services, management consulting, marketing and sales operations, responsible for internal reporting and is for more than 15 years checking accounts?


Source: Game Protect

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=50758305&postcount=3738

In before: “Player Protection (aka “game-protect’) is only giving his source (which happens to be his own affiliate site).”

By the way you did copy/paste the same post under your "real identity" on PFA.
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?13240-Curacao-License-1668-JAZ-gaming-company-owe-you-money&p=582453&viewfull=1#post582453



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I find it very unprofessional from legal expert IHasTehNutz to give his legal assessment about Game Protect without any prior research. And he of course did not make any research afterwards. His sole intend was to bad mouth and attack Game Protect!
IHasTehNutz has spent countless hours on the Locke case but yeah, his hidden agenda is only to “bad mouth and attack Game Protect !”


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I find it very curious that you link from my thread to this betcoin.ag scam thread, instead of posting your nonsense about me directly in my thread?
Nothing curious about that. I said what I think of you in your own thread and I link the people one of my post about you so that people can have the context.
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September 12, 2016, 08:23:01 AM
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Why is Xiao spamming this thread instead of posting in his own thread?  Seems like a horrible way to run a business.  Lots of shadiness. 

He is spamming everywhere to attract more new customers, although he earns plenty of money monthly, he is still greedy.
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September 12, 2016, 07:09:05 PM
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Betcoin Poker Bronze II 1 BTC Freeroll Results and Success!

On the 11th of September, 2016 Betcoin Poker hosted the Betcoin Poker Bronze II 1 BTC Freeroll and congratulates its winners led by sivait!

Next Sunday Betcoin Poker will host the Betcoin Poker Silver III 1 BTC Freeroll.

Good luck to everyone!


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September 12, 2016, 07:12:33 PM
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We are contemplating a self moderated thread in order to more effectively address the issues of our great players as many questions are lost in the spam comments and remarks. 

On the the one hand it will allow us to focus on assisting players, but on the other our thread won't be bumped as much which always helps us attract more visitors. 

Any thoughts are appreciated. 

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September 12, 2016, 11:06:05 PM
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We are contemplating a self moderated thread in order to more effectively address the issues of our great players as many questions are lost in the spam comments and remarks.  

On the the one hand it will allow us to focus on assisting players, but on the other our thread won't be bumped as much which always helps us attract more visitors.  

Any thoughts are appreciated.  

I think you should clarify what you consider spam and provide guidelines so players know is ok and not ok to post.

Many of your great players questions are ignored because you choose to ignore them.  Sometimes they just choose to accept that their question was ignored, other times they ask the question again.  And again. And again.  Thinking that maybe they will eventually receive an answer.


For example Dooglus posted this on April 7th at 1030 am:

After an extensive review and research, Betcoin Poker was able to pinpoint the programming error that caused the rake overcharges from 10/30/15-12/9/15 and is providing refunds to players or a Daily Coin Ticket based on the following criteria. If a player played at Betcoin Poker using the 100% rakeback promo, the player will technically owe funds to Betcoin. Instead of taking these funds from the player account, the player can create a ticket requesting a Daily Coin Ticket in lieu of the account review.

Each player requesting a refund of the overcharged rake must create a ticket here: www.betcoin.ag/support. The review of the player account will take up to 10 business days to complete. If the player owes Betcoin funds, the player's account will be deducted those funds, however if the player chooses to accept a ticket in lieu of a review, the player will be awarded the ticket.

I don't think I fully understand.

Are you saying that you may have accidentally taken too much money from me, but in order to find out whether you did I have to forego a free tournament entry?

How am I meant to know whether the value of the proposed bribe is bigger or smaller than the amount you accidentally took from me before you tell me how much you took from me?

Couldn't you just tell me how much you took? It shouldn't be too hard to make a list of how much each player is short:

  Loop over all the hands in the affected period {
    Calculate the amount of rake taken
    Subtract the amount of rake that should have been taken
    Assign the difference to the relevant player totals
  }

If that's too much, could you maybe send me my hand history over the relevant period so I can do the math for myself please?

Thanks.

That same day and the next, you posted 3 times in the same thread (this thread) :

Congratulations Crazywack on the legendary status!  

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Betcoin Poker will host the Online Super Series VI from April 15-24, a 76-event festival that will pay out nearly 6,000 BTC guaranteed.

Betcoin Poker will host the Online Super Series VI from April 15-24, a 76-event festival that will pay out nearly 6,000 BTC guaranteed.

Join us at Betcoin Poker on April 15 when OSS VI kicks off at 2:00 p.m. ET with a 35 BTC GTD event for the entry fee of only 0.03 BTC. There are at least six events scheduled each day of the 10-day festival culminating in the Million Dollar Sunday 2,400 BTC GTD event.

Join us here at Betcoin Poker for more information as we get closer to the start of OSS VI.

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https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-presents-oss-vi-gtd-prizepool-nearly-6000-btc

Betcoin Poker Brings You The Playpen!

Why should high stakes players have all the fun? Introducing ‘The Playpen’….the micro-stakes cash game in time based tournament format with all the feel of big stakes poker!

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You start The Playpen tourney with 1,000 chips valued at 1 penny (0.00002 btc) each. Blinds start at 5/10 and increase every 13 minutes. After four 13 minute levels of play, the tournament is over and the chips you have in front of you are converted to cash and credited to your account! For instance if you have 30,000 chips, you’ve won 0.7236 btc ($300)!

The whole tournament takes just 60 minutes to play and you can parlay your 0.024 btc ($10) buy-in into hundreds while experiencing the thrill of big blind poker!

-snip-

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-brings-you-playpen


The PLAYPEN is back guys check the lobby!


Then Dooglus asked again for a response:

Please respond.


Do you consider the first post by Dooglus spam?

What about when he said "please respond".  Was that considered spam?

Are these the types of posts you would delete in your own self-moderated thread?

What one person considers spam might not be considered spam to someone else.  In the example above, many would consider Betcoin.ag to be the party guilty of spamming.

Do you consider this post I'm making right now spam?







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We are contemplating a self moderated thread in order to more effectively address the issues of our great players as many questions are lost in the spam comments and remarks.  

On the the one hand it will allow us to focus on assisting players, but on the other our thread won't be bumped as much which always helps us attract more visitors.  

Any thoughts are appreciated.  

I would be in favor of a self-moderated thread for the reasons you mentioned. It would also make it easier for those of us who are already well aware (or not well aware, but don't care anyways) of all the issues regarding the site which people have concerns about to not have to scroll through all the same old stuff over and over and over again just to see if there are any new updates or news regarding the site and the games.

The campaign thread is so much more better and less cluttered ever since it became self-moderated. XiaoXiao's affiliate thread is much more useful and coherent for his rakers.

Allow those who feel the need to continuously remind everyone and keep people - new and old - aware of what they perceive to be egregious misdeeds and scammery by betcoin.ag to do so in their own threads as much as they want, to their heart's content. They have every right to do so, just as you have every right to create a new self-moderated thread.

It would also make it easier for those interested in the nefarious goings on of betcoin.ag to keep up to date on things or post their own updates and findings/evidence by checking out the thread(s) of those who wish to inform people of such things and not have to scroll through stuff they aren't interested in such as site updates, tourney info, affiliate offerings or shill posts. Their threads will be just as easily visible as yours for people who might be interested either way. A win for betcoin.ag, a win for betcoin haters and those with a personal agenda, a win for those wishing to keep the community informed of betcoin's bad behavior, a win for players, a win for prospective players, a win for all.

As far as your self-moddded thread not getting bumped as much, I think it would be fair to post anything you feel your customers would be interested in knowing, such as any important updates, promotions, significant/new tournaments, important dates, issues, player news, improvements, resolutions, etc just as you currently do now in addition to dealing with customer's issues, questions, grievances and feedback.
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September 13, 2016, 03:37:54 AM
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Classic Twitchy. When someone has a different opinion than you, the person must be a shill for X or Y.
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On Betcoin.


I am “Vae Victis” there.


Ok, now I know who you are and am pretty confident that you're not a paid shill or alt account of Xiao or Betcoin.
Can you really blame me for being suspicious?  I would be a fool not to be.  This is Betcoin we're talking about here.


If you think I am siding with Xiao, I have no side but only the poker players’ one.

Then we are on the same side.


All of your questions concerning Xiao’s personal deal have nothing to do with the poker players. It does not matter how much he has on Casino/Sportsbook, how much he makes and so on.

As I said once again in my post, players can be disappointed that he has no pull on Betcoin policies considering his special relationship. And I have been myself quite a critic towards him for that. But past that, you just have to treat him as your random poker affiliate.

What does it mean ? At the end of the day for the poker players the only question is: does this affiliate deliver on what he is offering ?
The Answer is: yes.

Xiao has personally endorsed Betcoin for over 2 years now as a poker player and member of this community.  When there's any discussion about Bitcoin Poker, he pretends to be an impartial third party and makes posts like this one and this one.   He also has his own threads on multiple sites/subforums that he has been spamming only good things about Betcoin for years now.

He tries to gain trust by acting as if his "rakeback service" is motivated by his generosity and selfless desire to do good for Bitcoin and Online Poker as a whole.  He want's everyone to trust him and believe he is only promoting Betcoin because of how great they are not because of the amount of money he's made and stands to make in the future.  So he lies and tells people he barely makes any money from his players sports/casino action because they only play poker.

When I started posting the reality of Betcoin last year, (from the BBJP, to the missing VIP rewards to the over charged rake and constant lies) he handled it similar to how Betcoin did.  Ignore the situation.  If that doesn't work make the situation seem like really no big deal.  If that doesn't work lie about the situation and attack the credibility of whoever is complaining.

According to Xiao, I'm mentally ill, a retard, brain dead, a degenerate, a dos attacker, an "abuser of trust" (still dunno what he means there), and when other people complain about Betcoin - he there's a good chance he'll declare they are just me using alt accounts.  

He says all this stuff because he doesn't want people to believe what I say and he won't have a reasonable discussion about the issues for the same reason Betcoin won't.  There's no excuse for their behavior.  

Xiao and NiceSoft, over 2 years ago:

reg'd looking forward to playing as soon as i get my coins
Great, make sure to pm me if you have any issues.  I am sort of like an unofficial ambassador to Betcoin.  I know they are kind of overwhelmed right now from support.



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September 13, 2016, 03:47:06 AM
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Yeah Junko.

Good lookin out for all those people who play on Betcoin but don't care about Betcoins scummy behavior and also don't want to have to go to Betcoins website or forum or twitter to hear about any news or updates about Betcoin.

Scumbag.


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September 13, 2016, 05:43:08 PM
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We are contemplating a self moderated thread in order to more effectively address the issues of our great players as many questions are lost in the spam comments and remarks.  

On the the one hand it will allow us to focus on assisting players, but on the other our thread won't be bumped as much which always helps us attract more visitors.  

Any thoughts are appreciated.  

I would be in favor of a self-moderated thread for the reasons you mentioned. It would also make it easier for those of us who are already well aware (or not well aware, but don't care anyways) of all the issues regarding the site which people have concerns about to not have to scroll through all the same old stuff over and over and over again just to see if there are any new updates or news regarding the site and the games.

The campaign thread is so much more better and less cluttered ever since it became self-moderated. XiaoXiao's affiliate thread is much more useful and coherent for his rakers.

Allow those who feel the need to continuously remind everyone and keep people - new and old - aware of what they perceive to be egregious misdeeds and scammery by betcoin.ag to do so in their own threads as much as they want, to their heart's content. They have every right to do so, just as you have every right to create a new self-moderated thread.

It would also make it easier for those interested in the nefarious goings on of betcoin.ag to keep up to date on things or post their own updates and findings/evidence by checking out the thread(s) of those who wish to inform people of such things and not have to scroll through stuff they aren't interested in such as site updates, tourney info, affiliate offerings or shill posts. Their threads will be just as easily visible as yours for people who might be interested either way. A win for betcoin.ag, a win for betcoin haters and those with a personal agenda, a win for those wishing to keep the community informed of betcoin's bad behavior, a win for players, a win for prospective players, a win for all.

As far as your self-moddded thread not getting bumped as much, I think it would be fair to post anything you feel your customers would be interested in knowing, such as any important updates, promotions, significant/new tournaments, important dates, issues, player news, improvements, resolutions, etc just as you currently do now in addition to dealing with customer's issues, questions, grievances and feedback.

Excellent feedback.  Many Bitcointalk members and staff have urged us to do this for months.  This thread is now closed. 

Here is our poker lobby when Betcoin Poker first launched just under 3 years ago, we have come a long way but there is still a long way to go.  Thank you everyone for your support:


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