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July 15, 2016, 03:41:46 PM
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Did they explain why they removed you from the list anywhere? 

Or did Betcoin just mysteriously vanish....

They explained in an email to us immediately.  We love your use of "mysteriously"...lol.

You even know that Betcoin Poker is a tremendous place to play and have said that many times.  CardsChat and a couple others hadn't even heard about Betcoin Poker prior to you and now we get some referral traffic from that that converts pretty well so we need to thank you for that. 

We are starting to get the pro team under way and these players are good!  We are going to treat it like an true pro team and sponsor entries to online tournaments, land based tournaments and more! 

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July 15, 2016, 04:48:35 PM
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Plagiarism? DarkDays come on.

You said that you didn't write the article the you published under your name with no attribution.  

Why did you do this?

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Private held company that owns operates and licenses software and services to many online casinos.

Whose name is...?

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The conversion rate should be changing in real time and this is not an issue.  We have discussed this with players in detail for 2 years at Betcoin.ag.  Thank you.  

But I showed evidence that it did not.  Why do you continue to lie about this?  When will you be compensating the players that you stole from because of this?

Thank you.
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Who is your parent company?
Private held company that owns operates and licenses software and services to many online casinos.

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July 17, 2016, 09:20:21 AM
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OK, Betcoin, you say that as soon as Betsoft responds and you see the decisions from the other casinos, you'll make a decision? I fail to see why you need to wait for either of these things to occur in order to examine the information in front of you and make your own decision now. Effectively you are saying that you are incapable or unwilling to make your own decisions based on the current information. Bovada didn't wait for someone to tell them how to decide. That's why Bovada is where they are in the poker world, and conversely, why you are where you are.
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I have some comments regarding your front page article.

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CasinoListings.com titles their article: "Betcoin.ag, Betsoft Force Shafted Jackpot Winner into Agreement"

This couldn't be further from the truth. For the following reasons this is completely false.

1. The agreement was between Betsoft and the player. Betcoin didn't force our great player into an Agreement and Betcoin was not even a party to the Agreement. If Betcoin hadn't intervened, the player might have got nothing, but Betcoin wasn't going to let that happen and ultimately the player was very happy with the agreement with Betsoft. Betcoin helped the player get a substantial payment. This same scenario could have happened on any casino offering Betsoft games and by chance happened at Betcoin.

Basically, you are throwing Betsoft under the bus by implying that you have no control over if or how Betsoft pays out users. However, this isn't stated anywhere on your website, which implies that these are Betcoin jackpots, not Betsoft jackpots ("Our jackpot slots are well over 500 BTC and counting").

If the Bellagio decided that their regular dice source was costing them too much and started buying dice at Dollar Tree, and then it later turned out that the dice weren't fair, would you expect the Bellagio to tell players to pound sand and take it up with Dollar Tree?

This scenario would not have happened at other reputable casinos offering Betsoft games. I would expect that any casino licensing software from another company would have paid out the user the full amount owed, removed Betsoft games from their site for non-payment, and then either eaten the loss or recouped their loss from Betsoft separately. If there is a problem with the integrity of the companies that provide your software, that is a problem that you should handle in a manner that doesn't affect the player rather than congratulating yourself for arranging a partial payment when things go awry.

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2. All payouts from casinos are done directly through the software provider casino interface. Betcoin and any other casino serve as a middle men connecting the player with the casino provider. The player plays the games on the casino providers servers and Betcoin nor any other operator can make any changes to any games, payouts, etc. The casino provider credits the accounts on winnings.

Where have you stated that Betcoin users who use Betsoft slots are playing at their own risk, and might not be paid out in full or at all? "We're just the middleman" isn't an adequate defense because jasonort was wagering with BTC that he deposited at your casino, and should have been paid out in full by your casino.

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3. Because we are not a party to the agreement and because we want everyone to know as much as possible, we never asked our player to sign an agreement or keep anything silent or private. We urge him in fact to speak about any particular matter he chooses to. There is no agreement with Betcoin limiting him to what he can say or not say.

From the remarks that jasonort has made, it seems pretty clear that he is obliged to not talk about the details of the settlement. Whether that stipulation was made by Betcoin or Betsoft is irrelevant. What matters is that a player who deposited BTC on your site in good faith got screwed on a payout, and the resolution must have been partial, or there wouldn't have been anything to hide and no reason to keep anything silent.

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The title and scope of the article is completely false and a prime example of irresponsible reporting on the Internet. The author of the article did not take the time to ask Betcoin or the player any questions about the content of his statements but chose to publish factually incorrect articles irresponsibly and the entire credibility of the CasinoListings.com website must be called into question.

Because the author of the article has chosen to completely ignore the true facts of the case, he has then concluded that Betcoin Casino is rogue and should be blacklisted. When your conclusions are based on blatant falsehoods and irresponsible reporting your entire classification is false.

CasinoListings.com has no obligation to contact you before posting their opinion on their own site. They haven't taken any action other than recommend to their readers that they not play on your site. Similarly, you are free to recommend that players ignore the recommendations of CasinoListings.com, and you are not obliged to contact them before you make that statement.

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We implore the entire Internet community to demand responsible, accurate and factual reporting which is not the basis of CasinoListings.com. In their praise of bovada and slots.lv they fail to even mention that 1) these are in fact the same company, 2) there are other internal issues as to why Betsoft games were removed, and 3) no other online casino has removed Betsoft games. This again is also very irresponsible.

I'm not sure what Bovada and slots.lv being the same company has anything to do with the slots that you offer on your site.

Please elaborate on the other internal issues that resulted in Betsoft games being removed from Bovada, and whether those internal issues also affect Betsoft slots on your own website. But as ungod said, why should the decisions of other casinos have any impact on the actions that Betcoin takes?

You have an undeniable example of Betsoft not honoring their progressive jackpot payouts, and I have no idea why you would continue to do business with them after one of your players was screwed as a result.

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We will continue to provide you with a great place to play at Betcoin and we hope all of our great players and the Internet community sees what is really going on here. Betcoin is making waves in the industry and the established players don't like it. We are where bitcoin was several years ago and even now; where it was and is spoken negatively by irresponsible press and less educated people. The people that experienced bitcoin and continue to experience bitcoin however saw and see the potential and the negative press only serve to introduce more people to bitcoin. We have received a substantial amount of new traffic and converting players from CasinoListings.com and continue to see that people are smart and don't believe the falsities they read online.

Again, we thank everyone for their support.

"We welcome negative press because it drives new traffic to our site" makes it sound like you are less concerned about your site's integrity and image and more concerned about making a profit. While this may be true, I would recommend keeping this viewpoint to yourself rather than using it as a defense or advertisement.

TL;DR You have a responsibility to your players to ensure that the games offered on Betcoin are fair. If Betsoft partially paid out one of your players in a confidential settlement, it's time for you to pony up the remainder of what he's owed. Anything less means that your casino should be blacklisted for non-payment.
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July 18, 2016, 02:36:46 AM
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TL;DR You have a responsibility to your players to ensure that the games offered on Betcoin are fair. If Betsoft partially paid out one of your players in a confidential settlement, it's time for you to pony up the remainder of what he's owed. Anything less means that your casino should be blacklisted for non-payment.

This is a great point.  It's like a restaurant serving up tainted meat and then saying "It's not our fault, our cattle provider shouldn't have sold us bad meat".
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July 18, 2016, 03:49:11 AM
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Will Betcoin take the proactive step that other casinos (like Bovada) have taken and remove BetSoft slots from their casino?

Why did you commit plagiarism?

Who is your parent company?

When will you be refunding the players who were overcharged due to the under-conversion error you admitted to?
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After Betsoft responds we will make a decision and it will also be based on the decision of our direct competitors Cloudbet.com and BitcCasino.io who you and everyone else seems to forget also offer Betsoft games.
What??? What do the other casinos have to do with it. Make your own decision, drop them now and pay Jasonort the remainder of the jackpot.

Bovada dropped Betsoft immediately and added, out of their own pocket, hundreds of thousands to jackpots as a good will gesture for the irregularities of Betsoft...and you are waiting to see what the 2 mickey mouse casinos do. WOW. Huh
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TL;DR You have a responsibility to your players to ensure that the games offered on Betcoin are fair. If Betsoft partially paid out one of your players in a confidential settlement, it's time for you to pony up the remainder of what he's owed. Anything less means that your casino should be blacklisted for non-payment.

This is a great point.  It's like a restaurant serving up tainted meat and then saying "It's not our fault, our cattle provider shouldn't have sold us bad meat".

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July 18, 2016, 04:05:49 AM
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TL;DR You have a responsibility to your players to ensure that the games offered on Betcoin are fair. If Betsoft partially paid out one of your players in a confidential settlement, it's time for you to pony up the remainder of what he's owed. Anything less means that your casino should be blacklisted for non-payment.

This is a great point.  It's like a restaurant serving up tainted meat and then saying "It's not our fault, our cattle provider shouldn't have sold us bad meat".

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July 18, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
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July 18, 2016, 11:08:31 PM
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Currently Betcoin has numerous scam accusations against them that have not been addressed.  They should not be trusted.

Marlais made some good points (ignored) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386266.msg15620052#msg15620052

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July 24, 2016, 10:39:29 PM
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I heard that Slotsmillion casino also pulled Betsoft jackpot slots from their site on July 8. Will this impact Betcoin's decision to keep Betsoft slots?
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It's interesting to note that Betcoin has refused to answer any of Jason's questions, going so far as to delete people bumping the thread.

Odd.

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July 25, 2016, 04:02:25 AM
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can somebody explain why Betcoin.ag asking me some silly question after winning the freeroll? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563169.0

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July 25, 2016, 06:21:38 AM
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The website seems to be down currently. The poker client is up currently though.
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July 25, 2016, 08:45:52 AM
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The website seems to be down currently. The poker client is up currently though.

Yes. Support is unavaible too, withrawals didnt came through. Whats going on?
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July 25, 2016, 09:18:16 AM
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Hi Betcoin Sports I am interested in info about betcoin account rank frerolls when they will be added to poker freerolls.I really like betcoin,poker is my favorite game there.Betcoin poker best poker game in all online poker sites for me Cheesy
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July 25, 2016, 09:31:32 AM
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can somebody explain why Betcoin.ag asking me some silly question after winning the freeroll?
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this is a pure shit. i won 4th place 30mBTC in this 250 GTD freeroll and betcoin.ag asking me silly question after i tried to withdraw.I want to know is there any winner who successfully cash out from Betcoin.ag?i just laughing when they asked from whom and where i got the tournament password,really a pure shit of wasting time by playing 3-4 hours. the chat support failed to answer my question and closed after i said that i am from bitcointalk and i took all the screenshot of your chat.
Betcoin.AG acting shady? Now who would have expected that.

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July 25, 2016, 09:38:15 AM
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Going to the main link results in.


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July 25, 2016, 10:40:27 AM
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The website seems to be down currently. The poker client is up currently though.

Yes. Support is unavaible too, withrawals didnt came through. Whats going on?

I appear to be IP banned again (sent e-mail to support 8 hours ago and no response) and was seeing CloudFlare pages whenever I refreshed the webpage, so I'm guessing Betcoin is under some sort of DDOS attack.
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