Why the darkcoin/dash/dashpay instamine matters

[generalizethis]

So, you can verify that those aren't people selling to themselves?

If I say yes it won't matter. You have made up your mind (as a biased monero investor who perceives darkcoin as a threat to their investment).

Son, I wrote the guide to the Shitcoin Logic you're trying to use here. Come back when you've got a new chapter for me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1430839.msg14472374#msg14472374

[AlexGR]

Yes, you wrote entire chapters but you were too busy speculating about imaginary non-distribution than actually sending a couple of emails to ccex, poloniex etc to learn about the actual facts. And then you come here playing detective... lol.

[smooth]

Yes, you wrote entire chapters but you were too busy speculating about imaginary non-distribution than actually sending a couple of emails to ccex, poloniex etc to learn about the actual facts. And then you come here playing detective... lol.

If you have evidence, show your sources (as I did in the OP, and continue to add when I get around to editing).

[toknormal]

you are continuing to mislead and defraud investors

Perhaps the investors should have the last word on who's "misleading" and "defrauding" them 

[generalizethis]

you are continuing to mislead and defraud investors

Perhaps the investors should have the last word on who's "misleading" and "defrauding" them 

How can they when the dash media hides the facts? Maybe we shouldn't trust wolves to guard the hen house?

[toknormal]

How can they when the dash media hides the facts?

Well, you're always at our service for a start 

[generalizethis]

How can they when the dash media hides the facts?

Well, you're always at our service for a start 

Is that a sentence?

[toknormal]

Is that a sentence?

I might have missed the full stop out. Punctuation's never been my strong point 

[generalizethis]

Is that a sentence?

I might have missed the full stop out. Punctuation's never been my strong point 

No, it's the two prepositional phrases in a row that reads awkward. Did you mean, "Well, for a start, you're always at our service" Which is still awkward as the reader has to fill in the ellipsis (the unstated "at our service....to show the facts?). Given the second prepositional phrase begins where the ellipsis begins, it's tough to tell what you mean.

[toknormal]

Given the second prepositional phrase begins where the ellipsis begins, it's tough to tell what you mean.

I always suspected you were a bot.

I'll need to get myself one of those - sure would save me some time on threads like these 

[generalizethis]

Given the second prepositional phrase begins where the ellipsis begins, it's tough to tell what you mean.

I always suspected you were a bot.

I'll need to get myself one of those - sure would save me some time on threads like these  

A bot that analyzes grammar and faulty statements made by shitcoiners? I should be on the cover of Time.

[AlexGR]

Yes, you wrote entire chapters but you were too busy speculating about imaginary non-distribution than actually sending a couple of emails to ccex, poloniex etc to learn about the actual facts. And then you come here playing detective... lol.

If you have evidence, show your sources (as I did in the OP, and continue to add when I get around to editing).

What you (plural) are doing is simple:

a) Your "facts" are conjecture and presented as evidence.

b) The actual facts of the other side are downgraded as fiction and the bar of proof is set to an unreachable level (with requirements like "if you can't tell me where every single coin went, and who owns what, then you haven't proven anything).

c) Actual evidence (witnesses, testimonials, trading on third platforms, blockchain) is untouched because it serves (a).

[generalizethis]

Yes, you wrote entire chapters but you were too busy speculating about imaginary non-distribution than actually sending a couple of emails to ccex, poloniex etc to learn about the actual facts. And then you come here playing detective... lol.

If you have evidence, show your sources (as I did in the OP, and continue to add when I get around to editing).

What you (plural) are doing is simple:

a) Your "facts" are conjecture and presented as evidence.

b) The actual facts of the other side are downgraded as fiction and the bar of proof is set to an unreachable level (with requirements like "if you can't tell me where every single coin went, and who owns what, then you haven't proven anything).

c) Actual evidence (witnesses, testimonials, trading on third platforms, blockchain) is untouched because it serves (a).

Maybe I'm asking the wrong guys. You seem concerned with truth, so here are the questions I can't get answered on the dash-shill thread:

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

Just want to check if there are special numbers that the dash community has that no one else does--I mean how else could they claim "decentralization" and "fairly launched" unless the numbers I have are wrong, right?

[smooth]

a) Your "facts" are conjecture and presented as evidence.

No, my facts are what was stated by whom and when, along with things like what block rewards were generated when. Specific sources are given, and it is all (or nearly all) fully verifiable and objective.

b) The actual facts of the other side are downgraded as fiction and the bar of proof is set to an unreachable level (with requirements like "if you can't tell me where every single coin went, and who owns what, then you haven't proven anything)

I haven't seen any such facts. All I have seen is conjecture as to motives, unobservable and/or unverifiable actions, etc.

c) Actual evidence (witnesses, testimonials, trading on third platforms, blockchain) is untouched because it serves (a).

I've seen no such evidence that is verifiable proof of anything useful.

[AlexGR]

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

Is this the only thing you are interested? A blockchain explorer can tell you that, you don't need me, or anyone else to tell you the number of coins.

[generalizethis]

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

Is this the only thing you are interested? A blockchain explorer can tell you that, you don't need me, or anyone else to tell you the number of coins.

I'm just amazed that a dozen or so dashers can't answer a simple question. Will you melt or something? Why is it such a big deal to answer?

[AlexGR]

a) Your "facts" are conjecture and presented as evidence.

No, my facts are what was stated by whom and when, along with things like what block rewards were generated when. Specific sources are given, and it is all (or nearly all) fully verifiable and objective.

It's bullshit, that's what it is.

Let me give you an analogy of what you are doing:

Let's say you accuse Evan for example.

I'll play "Thomas the unbeliever" aka Smooth, a la reversed role:

Please tell me the precise number of coins he instamined, or GTFO.
Please tell me the precise number of coins his associates instamined, or GTFO.
Please tell me the precise number of coins they dumped and when, or GTFO.
Please tell me the precise number of coins they bought and when, or GTFO.
Please tell me the precise number of coins they have right now, or GTFO.
Please tell me the addresses of where they hold these coins, or GTFO.

I could be asking things in this fashion all day long, putting the burden of proof on your shoulders, like:

Please PROVE to me, that the instamine redistribution never happened and that all coins that were instamined remained with their holders.
Please PROVE to me what was the number of the initial miners of the first day and who got what.
Please PROVE to me that these people are currently the masternode owners of ~4000 MNs.
Please PROVE to me that all the people who were buying and selling XCOs and DRKs at the start, whether by PMs, in ccex or poloniex, were "sockpuppets".

(the list could be extremely extensive and you'd come up empty handed every single time)

I haven't seen any such facts. All I have seen is conjecture as to motives, unobservable and/or unverifiable actions, etc.

The bar I was saying earlier.

I've seen no such evidence that is verifiable proof of anything useful.

Of course you haven't.

[smooth]

a) Your "facts" are conjecture and presented as evidence.

No, my facts are what was stated by whom and when, along with things like what block rewards were generated when. Specific sources are given, and it is all (or nearly all) fully verifiable and objective.

It's bullshit, that's what it is.

Let me give you an analogy of what you are doing:

Why analogize when the facts are all there.

Did Evan say that he was definitely not going to launch within hours and then launch within hours?

Did he say that he was not going to disclose his existing development plans until after the conclusion of the instamine?

Did he say that he was working on a for-profit coin startup, then later claim it was all a hobby?

Does the Official Statement about the Instamine claim that Litecoin's difficulty adjustment is responsible for the extra coins, when in fact that is not the case for most of the extra coins?

Does the Dash ANN OP now state that is was "fairly and transparently" launched?

These are all factual, supported by specific citations, and verifiable.

[AlexGR]

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

Is this the only thing you are interested? A blockchain explorer can tell you that, you don't need me, or anyone else to tell you the number of coins.

I'm just amazed that a dozen or so dashers can't answer a simple question. Will you melt or something? Why is it such a big deal to answer?

The answer is ~2mn for XCO, I haven't looked into XMR or BTC, but I suspect BTC would be close to 7200.

[AlexGR]

Smooth, what you are saying is not a "scam", it's a problematic launch. A scam requires VICTIMS.

Let's say you missed the launch for any of the reasons you mention.

The scam is where exactly?

In that those that missed the launch didn't get to profit to the same degree? The coins were WORTHLESS. It's not like acquiring them by buying them would be somehow expensive, as it happens with ICOs.

You see, even that rationale is bogus. 10k XCOs were sold for 0.25 BTC (current valuation ~150 BTC).

The price was stable at 0.000025/xco or drk for the next 2+ weeks even if you missed the launch.

And even if you missed the first month or two, you could buy at 0.001.

It's at 0.016-17 right now.

Does the Official Statement about the Instamine claim that Litecoin's difficulty adjustment is responsible for the extra coins, when in fact that is not the case for most of the extra coins?

Can you explain why Litecoin instamined half a million coins?