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https://www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation/the-internet-1715527827.html

I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine.

Dash: The Future Internet Of Money?

Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states:

"Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure.

Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns.

Thanks for the feedback. Love us or hate us though, we're coming. Keep an eye on the Tao Index as we progress...

Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one.

I think we will not need Dash or any other altcoin to have privacy in crypto anyway. Most of the development is happening on Bitcoin. Sooner or later Bitcoin will become optionally as anonymous as all those "anonymous altcoins" and all the money on those coins will come back to Bitcoin. With Confidential Transactions, CoinJoin and more, Bitcoin will have no competition for anonymity as well.

World class dev team? They chose the insecurity of x11, a second rate anonymity method, and topped it off with an instamine and emissions reduction. This level of delusion should be reserved for religions and psych-wards, not technology.

Aren't you the same idiot who tweeted that Evan could cure cancer if he was locked in a room for an hour?

Ad hominems notwithstanding, yes, I'm the same idiot who tweeted that, and you're entitled to your opinion. I used to be like you, skeptical of Dash. But then I did more research, hung around a bit, and let me tell you, there is no more cohesive group in crypto. Everyone focuses on their strengths, and does what they can to improve the project.

The points I made in my article are powerful ones, and they indicate that Dash will stand the test of time.

You should do more research, then you'd realize that the flaws in dash are hardly opinion (but maybe you think Evan will magically cure them after he's done curing cancer).

There are flaws in every crypto. Having the means and the talent to fix them is what separates Dash from the rest. You will start to see it more and more with increased marketcap leading to more capability to finance projects. The flaws will be fixed, but the strengths remain.

Hope isn't a plan. How will the flaws be fixed? And don't sell me by the same genius who built them into the coin. Show me a plan, a white paper, anything but marketing spiel and vague promises. Amateur hour is over.

OH RLY?

Bitcoin devs can't even agree on a simple block size solution.

And they are going to implement CT, CJ, and more at the protocol level to be used by default with no issues in the transition process. Okay

let me know when you wake up from your dream.

I don't think a bigger stake necessarily means a chance for bigger returns.  I don't think that's true at all.

Dash clones will be just clones, methinks, just like the other clones of other coins.  They're all headed to zero.

Great article Tao, really shows all the properties that cryptocurrencies need to have in order to properly function as "Digital Cash" (or Internet of Money as you put it)
and explains why Dash has a clear advantage here.

Not only is Dash trying to get all those properties working through its own blockchain and its 2nd tier network, its creating a self-supporting and self-expanding ecosystem as well.

  

Thanks, qwizzie, you're a valued member and contributor of Dash Nation as well. Any lurkers out there are welcome to join us and help create the Internet Of Money!

#DashNation

I'm not hoping. I bought into the team, not the individual. The team behind Dash, including myself, is relentless and will not stop until we reach our goals. If a certain aspect of Dash threatens our survival, make no mistake, we will make every attempt and due diligence until it is fixed. There are no such flaws right now.

X11 is insecure. Instanx is flawed as outlined by TPTB_need-war. Both of these flaws have been made apparent to Evan. He initially argued that one didn't exist (in the case of instantx) and stated that there was an easy fix if X11 was exploited, but when shown that his logic was flawed in both cases, he disappeared from the both conversations. So is there a plan to fix these flaws or are you maintaining they don't exist?

What can I say?  I'm a Dash Cheerleader, so know that now... but...

The instamine means nothing.  Not only were most of those coins sold off, and bought and sold multiple times, it really doesn't matter.  Anyone who is a part of the crypto-currency ecosystem is basically part of an "instamine" in the eyes of the public.  Those who bought Apple stock early on, same thing.  Only a very few held on to their original "instamined" coins, and I think even the most central had hot heads and sold them off.  Evan's friend left, selling all his coins as well.  And what if Evan has a lot of coins?  He's been using them to live off of these past 2+ years, and has been working his butt off.  This enabled him to gather an amazing team around him as well.  This is worse than a non-issue, especially when you look at the funding plans of other coins, it's just plain stupid.

Like Tao said, the team Dash has gathered is amazing.  They're nice enough to let me hang around and watch what's going on, and I gotta tell you, it's hard to keep up with their brilliant ideas.  Evan just posted this:


Now if that doesn't send shivers down your spine, well.... you must not understand.

Dash, the project, isn't thinking niche market, they're thinking domination.  It'll be the first time domination means freedom.

One thing I can promise you, the more Dash is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash is winning :) 

Monero trolls using TPTB_need-war to spread fud about Dash .. dear oh dear oh dear, where is this world heading to ?  ::)
But none the less it is amusing to observe. Its like he is their new champion now... lets just hope they dont turn him into a God  :P

Both of these statements will be dealt with if someone actually proves that they're a problem. If someone breaks x-11, we will fix it. If someone takes money from someone using InstantX, we will fix it. Until someone actually has the wherewithal to attack Dash and actually break it, those statements are just conjecture. Even if they were true, the attacker would be doing Dash a favour by making it stronger, and allowing our professional team the chance to improve the Internet Of Money. So please, go to your friend and tell him Tao told him to stand by his statements and break Dash.

How would you "fix" an X11 exploit? Sorry if your hand waving and promises are meaningless to me. Evan's plan was to eliminate the exploited chain and roll everything back, but that's BS, and when countered on his flawed plan, he disappeared. So now the plan is to just wait and see if it happens and then fix it? How? Luck and good intentions?

The link was to a giant advertisement.  I've yet to see any info on what "evolution" is actually supposed to be.

I think in the end only a handfull of cryptocurrencies will substantially grow and take real marketcap,
the rest of the altcoins will basicly just get left behind.

Dash in my eyes will be one of those cryptocurrencies that will substantially grow because it is focussing on so many
aspects, which at some point will create momentum of its own.

Dash has a mere 28 contributors.  If that's "world-class" then what are Bitcoin (325 contributors) and Monero (41)?  Galaxy class?   :P

Does Dash has a "world-class dev team?"  No, it doesn't.

A "world-class dev team" doesn't royally screw up a change to Litecoin's difficulty algorithm, then deploy it without testing, then refuse to relaunch with fair notice after fixing the instamine "bug."

A "world-class dev team" wouldn't rip off CoinJoin, then refuse to talk to the creator of said technique about technical matters but insist on using his name for snake-oil marketing.

A "world-class dev team" doesn't offer financial advice by make rosy price predictions based on TA tea leaves, nor would they promote Masternodes using claims of high yields for an unlicensed investment product.

A "world-class dev team" wouldn't make a product that actual world-class devs GMAX and PTOD refer to as "bad crypto" and "broken."

Of course there's no question the DashHole community of bagholders is devoted to a cult-like level, but that's more creepy, unsettling, and (paraphrasing GMAX) depressing about the general state of humanity than a feature.

The most noticeable thing about DashHoles vs Bitcoiners (and especially Monero Mustangs) is they tend to lack a background in crypto and be more towards the low-information, socially constructed reality dwelling end of the spectrum, as opposed to the uber-nerd/power-geek/egghead/cypherpunk types you find being excited about esoteric concepts like ring signatures and 100% fungibility.

Dash goes out of its way to pander to the dim-witted and/or lazy thinking of those who don't understand all the technical jargon and just want to believe in a brand that makes them feel safe, while still appealing to their sense of greed by promising (or at least implying) a Business Opportunity to Get Rich Quick.

When we see such blatant fraud we are compelled to cry fraud, lest we also be frauds.

https://www.dash.org/evolution/
https://i.imgur.com/qKE2Pnv.jpg

I would have to say Evan is really on a different level, he brought to us Darksend, instantX, & decentralized governance and funding. No wonder the man is getting lots of crypto coverage and has like 20 clones out there using Masernodes. Can't wait for what is next actually being a crypto fan this is very exciting. Our friends here the Monero shills spamming their competitors threads like crazy everywhere fail to understand how big these achievements are because their biggest upcoming updates is a silly GUI wallet....this is their main goal and moon next right?

Where is TBTP_need_war I am still waiting for he's coin that will solve all these coins issues ....bla bla bla I am a genius with an IQ OF 160+? not sure what he said but it is something like that lol

Your hand-waving and baseless accusations are equally meaningless to me. If you back up your statement and break Dash, we will fix it. That I promise you.

Oh look, here's one of the low-information cultist types I was just talking about.

 ::)

*the more Dash Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities is winning

*the more Dash Lehman Brothers is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Lehman Brothers is winning

*the more Dash Paycoin is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Paycoin is winning

*the more Dash Cryptsy is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Cryptsy is winning

See how that works?  It's OK to be confused, since this is probably your first encounter with factual analysis using logic.   ;)

You are right, Evan is on another level. The amount of work he does for Dash is rivalled only by his absence from the forums. As far as competitors spamming, you can't blame them, it is competition after all. As my article shows, Dash is winning, and it is always their tactic to repeat the same things over and over to discredit Dash. But Dash has it's sights squarely on being the Internet Of Money, and that's what we will achieve. The markets will decide the winner, far away from the message boards.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi

edit : although thinking back, i cant remember a period where Dash or its community was ever ignored  :-\
anyways, welcome to our thread iCEBREAKER

I find it amazing that you are pitching this as a good investment when you can't even acknowledge a major flaw. When it breaks, it will be broken, and you won't be able to just fix it. Congratulations on your bliss, but I'd pay to see your face when you realize what it's based on. Happy trails, I'll let you get back to your little sales rally.

Ah, nostalgia. The instamine. No new material for us? I'm sure anyone who is reading this has already read all of the arguments from both sides, so you are bringing nothing new to the conversation.

Dash is moving forward. We have the talent, we have the personnel, we have the governance and the funding we require to achieve our goals. Living in the past will not change that fact. Watch the Tao Index over time if you don't believe me.

Onwards and upwards, Dash Nation!

Fair enough. Do it. Then we'll see who's right. Have a nice day, yourself!

So true, thanks for the post.

I already count 4 Trolleros crying like bitches in less than 2 pages here.
wow and lol

Let them come, they've been running unchecked for too long. They need to be put in their place. Dash is a great project, and the crypto world deserves to see it as such without the constant false narrative of its competitors. Anyone who is not convinced should spend a little bit of time on my website where they will see the truth. The trolls are helping us with our PR as well by keeping this thread bumped.

Sunny ways, my friend. Combat negativity with Dash's positive energy. We have facts on our side.

#DashNation

In my own country i see a positive change towards using digital forms of payment by scanning QR codes on products in shops through an android app which is connected
to a very fast internetbank payment system (with transaction costs associated with it). This is something arranged on national level, so there is definetely room for a cryptocurrency
to emerge and arrange this on international level while cutting out the middle man by making it all decentralised.

As Bitcoin is slowly moving towards handling only large transactions for higher fees and leaving micro-payments to centralized sidechains, a cryptocurrency that is already focussed on
fast (micro) payments, is decentralised of nature, has some kind of decentralised API for shops and uses small fees could benefit a great deal from this.  

I feel much hate in you. I'm sorry your efforts are not going to be appreciated. Only focusing on the negative leads to health problems, and you won't get me to go down that path. We have a 5000+ thread that documents all of the positive things Dash has done, and that's where I choose to focus. Thank you for bringing that impressive, spun-to-the max list to us though, It proves that no one is perfect.

What else you got? I promise you, you won't be able to control the narrative in this thread. The truth always comes out, and it's on our side.

I want to thank those who took the time to read my article in the OP, and this thread. I have to go now, so the trolls MAY have free reign for a while. Please leave me any questions you may have about Dash, and I will answer them later when I get some time.

Kind regards,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

My token post was only a tiny subset of the things wrong with Dash.  We can also discuss how a "world-class dev team" wouldn't use a crappy algo like X11, how lame and transparently self-serving Duffsplanations for the instamine are, how vertoe quit because of Dash's one-man dictatorship, etc.

Then there's the ridiculous 24+ hour mixing times, the lack of sendmany, the failure to deliver promised Masternode blinding, the endless moving goalposts and complete lack of follow-though on previous commitments, the defense of Cryptsy, etc.

And that's not all.  I can do this all day; you DashHoles make it way too easy.   :)

Accusing me of "hate" isn't really the most effective way to deflect attention away from the myriad widespread criticisms of Dash's instamine, bad crypto, snake oil marketing, etc.

But I understand your target audience is the low-info type you want to keep in the cargo cult, not high-info types who already know Dash is a fraudulent enterprise.

Coming from you this is really so so funny.

Dash can never succeed mainstream. It will forever be held back by the past history this kind of thing will never be hushed up now

Too many people are aware of the fact it was a scam. Sorry! Dash !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173474.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034864.0

Eventually Dash will be taken down by one of its clones that have no scam start to forever hold it back.

Again with the deflection in the form of attacking the messenger.  I like how you imply an appeal to hypocrisy (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque), but don't have the courage to elaborate beyond the insinuation.

To be clear, it's not just silly old *me* that finds Dash to be a fraudulently instamined shitcoin of the scummiest magnitude.

The criticisms of Dash are not all coming from me.  I'm using external sources of expertise such as GMAX and PTOD.

Correct, Dash does not have.




Shudders not shivers. Evan doesn't understand how to generate network effects.

By running all investment through a funnel which siphons the community wealth through the masternode scam, he is actually killed the network effects.

Dalmation Dogecoin imitation gimicks notwithstanding.

It is really hiralious. Please let Evan continue to clusterfuck his Dash scam.


IANAL, yet appears the end game is perhaps jail time for him and perhaps all you pumpers as well who continue to spread illegal prospectus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1218399.msg14463054#msg14463054).



The "features" you tout are flaws and you don't even realize it. That is how hopelessly clueless your "worm-class" development team is.

Thank you guys so much for the free thread bumps.

You're doing me a favour, generating link clicks to an article which quite rightly describes the current state of affairs between Dash and Bitcoin, with Dash currently having the upper hand due to superior technology with self governance and funding.

All of your attempts to rehash every little negative or pseudo-negative event in Dash's history is having the desired effect for me. My website which is a wealth of information about Dash is seeing a lot of action thanks to you.

Please continue your school-boy bully tactics while I continue to interest people in Dash and Dash Nation.

Really, stand up job!

Liar. Illegal hype (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1218399.0).

It's not all sunshine and roses for Dash as I mentioned. We have a huge network effect hole to climb out of. But by making crypto easier to use for the masses with Evolution, combined with future mobility to make timely decisions through the DGBB, we will continue to take bites out of Bitcoin's market cap.

Hey, I heard that you can break InstantX. When can we expect that to happen? I will personally tip you if you do it. Don't disappoint me. Generalize this said you could.

Kyle Hagan (aka InternetApe) quit. Apparently vertoe is a different person. Vertoe was quoting Kyle.


Incorrect, because the only reason for Dash's existence is the scam. Clones would have nothing worth speculating on, unless they copy the masternode scam.

I believe what I am working on will kill Dash and most of the other altcoins, but we will have to see if that ever comes to fruition.

Dash eventually dies by eating itself. Meaning once the insiders run out of sufficient new virgins to rape, they will turn on each other. That when they will reveal the dirty inside secrets especially as plea bargains to escape jail time if the prosecutions begin.

An excellent hypothesis! Please elaborate! I'm rapt with anticipation. The rumours are true, you truly are a genius!

Taoway is that you? you're the guy that first broke the darkcoin scam are you not? Are you the same person? I heard that you are.

You are the one we should all be thankful to for bringing the outright scam to our attention. You probably helped us stop Dash becoming a MUCH larger problem.

It is you I know it.

Was he bought off to stop attacking? Attack to force Evan to sell you some cheap DRK and in exchange you agree to become a pumper. Not beyond the realm of plausibility. Only they know.

haha no, Taoway just reminded me that darkcoin was Xcoin. I then realised that scam coin xcoin had just rebranded itself as darkcoin and thought it my responsibility to bring it to the boards attention in a large way. It all started over a discussion of x11 if I remember.

But this taoofsatoshi pops up right about the time Taoway left the board and deleting all of his posts.

I assumed he was secretly anti dark back then. I am almost certain he is now. Who else would keep making us revisit the dark scam threads over and over on the main board.

They should weed him out as soon as possible. Paying him off over time maybe the only way. He is relentless in his darkcoin hatred.

This is the new anti dasher attack vector they pretend to be pro dash and say crazy things like there was no scam or the tech is great. Then just wait for the facts to roll in proving that it is a scam and the tech nothing special over and over.

Gentlemen, you're losing focus! I'm Dash, remember? I'm the bad guy. It doesn't matter who I was or will be, just that here and now I represent Dash. Can we get back to the regurgitation and ad hominem attacks? It's what you guys are best at.

Are you Taoway ? yes or no? come now be honest. Stop hacking away at Dash like this. Don't you think you have damaged their project enough? You indirectly orchestrated the largest darkcoin dump in history.

I knew when you said you were leaving this board you were kidding.

I found a high school level probability math error in the InstantX white paper that had been there for a guess roughly a year and nobody had done the peer review. So this tells you there is no world-class development team.

The white paper was claiming astronomical odds of colluding masternodes able to corrupt the InstantX transactions. I showed the probability was much more reasonable. I forget the exact quantification, but it roughly dropped in the range of a some akair double-digit percentage of the masternodes would enable corrupting afair single-digit x% of the InstantX transactions.

So the difficulty in attacking that version of InstantX (assuming it hasn't been somehow improved in some yet undocumented manner) is I need to acquire the masternodes and then I need to do the development coding. I would thus risk destroying the value of all that DRK locked up for masternodes because the price of DRK would likely plummet if I attack it. I don't know if there is any way for me to short DRK with sufficient size and liquidity and also why would I want to risk a short position on trying to prove this? I have neither the funds nor time to waste on that when working on my project is worth $millions to me in opportunity cost. I have said that in the future if Dash is not already dead and I have $millions, then I will likely pay a hacker to destroy Dash because I view it (my opinion) as an major scam that is defrauding our community.

The reason the InstantX flaw (and other flaws) matter is because:

1. It exemplifies how inept the Dash development team is. There are surely more flaws lurking that no one has peer reviewed.

2. If Dash scales up, then there will be many hackers with the motivation to attack it and short it. So these flaws although not worth any of us attacking now, actually insure it is quite implausible that Dash could ever scale up to do anything in real adoption. Also the masternode scam violates the principle of trustless, non-centralization which is necessary to promote network effects (i.e. for others to invest their company in your technology).

On top of that, afaics (based on limited information Evan has released) Evolution is flawed and really doesn't solve any problems of scaling. I will wait until after it is released to explain why. So that will be hanging over your head.

If you need an introduction...

My name is Tao Of Satoshi, which means the way of Satoshi. That is why I support Dash, as I feel it is the true digital cash that Satoshi envisioned. Decentralized, trustless, instant and private. Bitcoin has run into problems with centralization in development and funding. Keeping things decentralized is crucial to Satoshi's vision and Dash keeps it that way with all features running through the Masternode network.

Evan Duffield, contrary to popular opinion here, is a genius in the fields of crypto and finance. He and the Dash team have served decentralization well, and will continue to do so with Evolution. No Blockstreams or MITs in the Dash ecosystem, just cold hard Dash from the blockchain.

Achieving our goal of being the Internet Of Money will be hard, but certainly attainable due to our many advantages I described in my article in the OP.

Nice post. You know your shit. But I will tell you the same thing I told generalize this. Until someone actually attacks Dash and breaks it, these statements are conjecture.

But another thing while we're on the topic... Why don't you present these findings to Dash for a reward? If you are right and this is an attack vector, I will personally submit a proposal to pay you for your trouble. See, Dash isn't all bad.

And another thing. These scams that you guys are screaming everywhere about? I wasn't here for the instamine, was I scammed? If Dash's beginnings were flawed and a few people got that many coins, that means that they will work like hell to improve the project. I personally would not begrudge Evan if he becomes the next Bill Gates. There are Dash for sale right now, people that buy these Dash and join Dash Nation are going to be part of a community with leaders that are passionate, talented AND motivated. Make no mistake, it's not too late to make money with a Dash investment. I wouldn't have started the Tao Index if I thought differently.

Some say scam, but where are the victims? That's where that argument fails.

I wouldn't be aspiring to imitate Dogecoin:

Some say scam  ....heehhe the vast majority say scam for one good reason and that is because darkcoin/dash is a proven scam


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173474.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034864.0



1. the miners were promised a fair and open launch

they got a closed captive instamine. - they were scammed.

2. the minting was stated to be X they then slashed X by 75%

they lied and deceived again

anyone that was hoping to mine the on the other 75% that was removed was lied to and scammed out of a fair chance to mine.

3. the price is a scam, anyone buying now should have been able to buy at a much lower price if the distribution was wider

Anyone who googles dash or darkcoin is immediately faced with the facts it was a scam.

They immediately see these threads


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173474.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034864.0

and after reading them any logical and sane person would conclude it's a scam.

So read those again. You are the founding father of those threads. Without you those threads may well not exist. You are a credit to the crypto community. Even now you are there providing opportunity to bring those threads to the attention of new people who could have missed out on the chance to educate themselves regarding the scam coin dash.

Can you link to those on your twitter feed? Just say it got hacked or something if dashers notice.

No (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines)

TaoOfSaatoshi deleted this information from his illegal Dash hype (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1218399.0) thread:

The Tao/Satoshi Index (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1411510.0)

The lower emission now is a good thing no? Less inflation. Someone buying Dash now would be secure in knowing that their funds will not rapidly devalue due to many coins being produced.

Thank you for making me feel even better about my investment! On top of all the other cool stuff, now I can mention that to newcomers as well.

This conversation has been invaluable to me. I hope more of you show up with good news...

In the last half hour, I got 20 more visitors to www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation.

Thank you to all who read this. I look forward to meeting all who decide to join Dash Nation. You will be part of a positive, professional, ambitious community which seeks to build the Internet Of Money. It's very exciting to be a part of.

Good night all, and gentlemen, please continue to tell your stories and send people to my site.

Cheers, Tao

No the conclusions are from math. Math is not conjecture (there are theoretical conjectures made in research math but that is not the applied math employed here). I understand math is something your worm-class development team doesn't do, so I do pardon your misconceptualization.


Because I don't want to join you fools in jail. Besides I have an ethical position against helping scams. And you couldn't pay me enough any way to take me away from my opportunity cost and passion to actually create a decentralized solution, not this lie masternode scam that you refuse to admit is not decentralized. Distributed != decentralized.


Yes. But since you appear to be an accomplice, you are also scamming by promoting lies or half-truths to investors (make sure you understand securities law).

That ought to be good for another $20,000 additional market cap, assuming some of them weren't going there to see how much you are misrepresenting truth of disclosure in investment securities.

Excellent. You don't know when to quit! I love it.

Why don't you break their coin and take their bounty, you know making up things with Monero shills over and over again about Dash won't help. You guys need to step it up a bit like proving their awesome innovations is flawed by actually breaking into their flawed coin like you guys been blabbering for TWO years now.

Speaking of these two years Evan created Darksend, InstantX, x11, and decentralized governance & funding while you guys still struggelling with a GUI wallet, ohh wait I get it why you the awesome crypto genius with a very high IQ like you said about your self help these poor developers including Smooth here and make them finish it for them? can you do that? I mean they got their donations done from their community already I am sure they can give you at least half of it if you can finish it for them.

Make the bounty in BTC at a proven BTC address and make it 1000 BTC.

If Dash can't secure $425,000 in value, then it is useless.

That might make it worth my opportunity cost. I would surely investigate if the BTC is in a reliable escrow.

Another hacker would probably beat me to it. You'd have many more people trying to attack it.

I would prefer a fork of Bitcoin without Satoshi holding over a million bitcoins but still that doesnt stop me from using Bitcoin and it sure doesnt
stop Bitcoin from getting used in general.

If something has value and is useable, people will use it.

Looking at your history begging Monero/ETH to hire you, make me think you will work for much cheaper saying you would do it for 1000 BTC just makes you look more ignorant and pure jealous of Evan's success.

Also looking at your Linkedin profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelby-moore-iii-b31488b0 it seems to me that you are living now in the philippines  probably because you can't afford living in your own country yet asking for a 1000 BTC as if you are a big shot crypto developer when in fact you are one big mouth dude with full of hot air just like your buddy Smooth.

Nice use of #1 of the shitcoiner's guide to shitcoin logic.

#1. No matter how dire the warning from those technobabling nerds sound, they can be easily refuted with one word--JEALOUSY. Say it often and say it proud and don't let their theoretical arguments get in the way of you and your rightful shitcoin future. If they tell you the algowhateverthingy is broken, say "These blankcoin motherfuckers have been saying that for months and look, our coin is still alive and stronger than ever! They're just jealous that (our coin is ahead of them on coinmarketcap.com) or (our coin has twice the innovation as that has-been and every day we're eating into their market cap)." If you can work SCARED and JEALOUS into the same post, all the better.

Its interesting to see how some Monero trolls get so fullfilled with their hatred for Dash that they spread their hatred in threads when those threads are not even directed towards Dash.
I have seen it happen with iCEBREAKER when Cryptsy got hacked and a thread was made about that and i'm seeing it with generalizethis now as well
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1426998.msg14434691#msg14434691) .. in totally unrelated threads they just have to vent their hatred for Dash.

It still amazes me how people can get so worked up about a competing cryptocurrency that they get totally consumed by it.
 

You forgot to say JEALOUS. Amatuers  ::)

Great thread and lots of free bumps with the usual unsubstantiated arguments. X11, InstantX and Darksend are broken? And generalizethis sucks icebreakers teeny weeny cock, if you can't prove its wrong then it must be true! (He might need a few ribs removed to do it though ;) )

Dash has a big part to play in the future of internet money and here's why: Evolution. Bitcoin got where it is today by being better than our legacy economic systems, not hard considering the sorry state they're in but others had tried and failed because they where centralised and, as bad as our legacy systems are, they're very good at defending their position. Egold, Liberty Reserve and countless other innovative but centralised systems where crushed but Bitcoin succeeded through decentralisation.

You can't plan for everything though and weak points have become apparent in Bitcoin and while I've no doubt those weaknesses will be addressed they've allowed room for others to address those weaknesses head on. Few have, countless altcoins have been created but very few have targeted Bitcoins key weakness, the ability to adapt and change and that's Dashes main strength, its governance model. The blocksize debate has been going on for around 2 years, Dash resolved it in 2 days. That wasn't actually an issue for Dash but it proves a point, Dash can adapt extremely quickly, the same point was raised with X11 when ASICs came onto the scene and a decision was made in a matter of days, no point fixing what ain't broke. Dashes model works, no other coin can evolve as quickly and has a better track record for doing so and in the wild west of crypto that's what wins, survival of the fittest.

shhhhh relax, take a few deep breaths

I see that you alias fits perfectly  8)

I know, I know mine too  ::)

so many clones so many coins

i would like to share this song for the supposed to be users of this " Dash: future of internet money"

got banned for 2 weeks for posting it in dash thread  8)

banned from their thread or banned from the board??
Who banned you?

Guess I'm going to have add another section on straight-up trolling (pee-pee jokes, classic shitcoinery). Thanks for the inspiration.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1430839.msg14472374#msg14472374

In all seriousness though, can anyone tell me how dash would "fix" an X11 exploit? I know, I ask and ask, but if you could just answer, or even tell me you don't have one, it would probably be a huge time saver for both of us. Thanks.

@cryptohunter

banned from posting and messaging in the forum...trolling in dash thread 14 days

i'm gonna post it again there when the dump comes. LOL because it is not trolling anymore, it is a prediction comes true

Hmm it does explain why we had such a nice and relaxed time lately in our ANN Dash thread.
Thanks for sharing this ....

nope..sorry i got a little bit busy upgrading and adding gpu's to my mining equipment...anyway I thank the mod/s for banning me, kept me away from the pc for a few days..

i love visiting you guys again..but it is not a job....i come there when i want to.(makes me think why you goddam shills are there 24/7 hmm..)

 ;D

edit : there are some powerfull new gpu's coming out later this year. too expensive perhaps but still ... should be interesting to see what they come up with.

nothing is expensive when crypto pays for it  or when you can see ROI in a short period of time ;D

remember my qwizzie shill not a single hash from me will go to dash  ;) you can masterscamnode your coin anyway  ;D

i believe we can survive without your extra hash ariel, you adorable little mermaid you  ::)

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you reading this thread. The Dash project is exciting, and is not a scam like some people would have you believe. All it takes to know this is to hang around Dash Nation for a while. The level of professionalism and cohesiveness is unparalleled in crypto. I didn't always believe this, I had to be convinced. If you are dissatisfied with Bitcoin, Dash gives you a fantastic alternative, which has a way faster improvement plan.

Once again, thanks for your time.

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

i know that..I'm just one of the little guys who happens to be "not fooled by your scam coin with the 24/7 spamming shills" and "the DASH love at first sight user accounts" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.msg13200467#msg13200467 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.msg13200467#msg13200467)

that reminds me : can you pls add to your page that the reason i got attracted to Darkcoin in the first place was because of its music. Unfortunetely the music mysteriously disappeared from the internet so that will make it difficult to verify my taste in music   :(

ref : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6932162#msg6932162

thanks buddy.

sorry buddy...you can clearly read the criteria I made there


you made it there in the honorable mentions buddy..now don't be greedy  ;)

I didn't know one could be banned for that.

Well, not to worry honestly Dash can never be accepted mainstream the start is just too bad. Google is your friend. I mean anyone wanting to invest will check google first. That brings up like 20x dash/dark scam threads.

Also there are so many DASH clones coming out recently eventually dash owners will start to realise it would be better to jump ship and have a larger steak in something with no bad start to hold it back.

Threads all started by folks who have a clear bias toward competing coins. People with a seeming obsession to discredit Dash so that their coin can succeed. That's not the way to compete. If you spread negativity for too long, it can backfire on you. It's already starting. My article has been read close to 2000 times with 30 Facebook likes at the moment. Not to mention all the hits to the other Dash related content I host there. That's the real world, my friend, and it's where Dash is shining and offering a true alternative to Bitcoin, and the leading candidate to be the Internet Of Money.

it was at the start of the pump..so the pump must go on unhindered  ;D

Not true. Stop diverting. It matters not their motivation if they provide the facts. Facts are facts. They are not changed by motivation or obsession.

You should realised to pump dash else where. Everytime a dasher makes a new pump thread on here it turns into a scam revealing thread. Hence the more threads you make the more threads there will be on google that dash is a scam.

However you try to spin , divert, justify, excuse, lie, cheat, exaggerate, swear, shout, make false claims, etc etc it will not matter because as people read the threads detailing with facts the dash scam they will come to the only logical conclusion there is - - - It's a scam and to be avoided.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173474.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034864.0


Perhaps you should read through all of those threads again yourself taoway. It seems the last 2 years has not brought you closer to the path of enlightenment.

Diversify into coins that will never be held back by previous misdeeds. Find clean(er) coins that are beyond reasonable doubt fair. Those that made effort to distribute equally to all that were available and were interested. Don't support such dirty projects as dash.

Even if you will not repent and still you choose to follow this path of dishonesty and dark deeds then at least do not encourage others into the abyss with you. Have some care.

You started well with revealing to the board darkcoins dark past. I aided you with this as best I could. Then others joined and together we made the majority aware of these dark secrets. Do not now sully our memory of you Taoway.

If you are for some reason fascinated by darkcoins/dashcoins features. Why not promote one of the  dashcoin clones that are springing forth?
They are doing the same things but in a fair and open way. Put your energy into something better and you will be rewarded.

Sorry, not buying it. There hasn't been a shred of evidence, a "smoking gun" if you will, to link Evan to any bad intent. There were mistakes that happened, to be sure, but to say that Evan knowingly perpetrated a scam is preposterous without cold hard indisputable facts. There is tons of documentation as to what happened that day, but none of it proves that it was done intentionally.

I maintain that Evan is a fine, professional individual who is doing a great job leading the team building the Internet Of Money. I read all of your threads, I'm still here. And Dash isn't going away. We are focused on the future, and building a medium of exchange that's private, instant and easy to use for everyone.

Those are the facts, and they are undisputed. I just don't need 20 threads to tell people. This one will do fine.

So how is saying one thing and doing another not linkable to bad intent?

Repost:

The only thing that Evan was guilty of is being excited, enthusiastic, and lacking foresight about what he was doing. You have to understand the timing as well. This was a time when several coins were hitting the market every day. Evan was excited about his creation and wanted to launch as soon as possible. His enthusiasm can be seen in the post you quoted.

He still has that enthusiasm to this day, and it's evident with every new groundbreaking idea he comes up with, and every innovation he articulates. He is a visionary, and he's leading a passionate, devoted team. This is where I see the difference in Dash. Building the Internet of Money will not be easy, and it's wonderful to see this team work together. If you don't believe me, just hang out at DashTalk for a while.

Thank you for sharing your opinion, however.

too bad those 20x dash thread are written by amateurish finance/crypto "experts" or by borderline psycho trolls. none of them is actually worth a peas, if you are smart.

the content of those posts actually enforces dash position, if you have AT LEAST an IQ > 70 you can barely read that crap, even more getting convinced by those posts or use it for own research


i even looked into monero, the adversary coin with the trolls army, i could not even start a wallet (is there any wallet at all?!???)
now i can really understand all this hate toward dash, this place is full of underage crying kids lol

Thank you for answering. That's an explanation that seems plausible. Fair enough.

Even if he was so excited and enthusiastic about launching it, as a smart guy, he should have known that his decision will be followed by consequences.  

Maybe it was because of his lack of foresight, but don't you see the troubling implications if that conclusion is right?

The facts are in the threads. It does not matter how they try to discredit the people that display the facts. It can not change the facts.

Then after all of his excitement caused him to

1. launch before he said he would
2. launch with no windows wallets (every other dev launched with them and was called out for a scammer if they did not)
3. mined it all up at 10x speed anyone else could after they "fixed it"
4. he then got so excited that he slashed the minting back by 75% so he magnified his mistakes in mining up huge amounts of the coin to super super huge

If you read the threads it is all there in black and white. These are facts that have been thrashed out 100X

this taoway or taoofsaatoshi even brough all these facts to light around 2 years ago.

How ever they twist and excuse any other coin would be called a scam for doing all of this and so will dash.

Dash=scam darkcoin =scam xcoin = scam.

Look at the polls conducted on this board.  Check those thread links some are polls

This is also damming evidence

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

what has this got to do with Monero? If you believe Monero is a scam then you should start your own research and present it.

well, if any dash post receives loads of troll posts from the same coin/team every-damn-time, then i believe is quite related

Suck it trolls, you'll need to update your fud if you plan on keeping up:

You can not bias pure facts like those presented above. These are detailed events that took place. I don't know much about monero. However i'm sure if it was a provable observable scam like xcoin/dark/dash was there would be detailed threads proving this as there is for dash. I can only assume there is no provable observable evidence monero is a scam. However, if you or anyone can prove it is then of course you should go for it. I don't think after 2 years there is anything to find or else it would already have been presented.

This isn't mean to be a pure dash witch hunt. All scams should be highlighted and prevented from shilling on the main board. Not just dash. There are others, Dash is the most obvious I have seen but there are more devious scams happening they have just not grown as large in USD terms as Dash as yet so nobody notices or cares at this point. They will come under closer scrutiny as they grow. So it is foolish to support any scam.

All scams need to be confined to their scam threads if not deleted entirely and reported to any authorities that can deal with them.

Since they can't code, they will attack him. Can't wait for their GUI wallet to come out so their community then will realize how foolish they were to follow a coin that has developers who run a gambling site Fluffypony, giving another developer the highest win of 21800 Moneros "while having a guy named ARIEL being the 2nd top loser on Monerodice lol"; while having another developer Smooth working on two projects Aeon/monero and an officially been spam artist in this forum without actually developing any of these coins! amazing right?

What I like about Evan is that he's a doer no matter what haters say about him + the fact that he is an excellent programmer.

FUD?

A dashers version of FUD is

FACTS UNCOVERING DECEPTION

there are no new facts required. The facts that exist are enough to demonstrate clearly it is a scam coin.

Go check the polls. Enough polls have been conducted. Dash is known and accepted as the largest scam to date on this board.

I personally think there are a few others that are up there too. They were just slightly less obvious about it.

Your post refutes none of the facts presented above.

DASH is a scam. Does not matter if Evans is a doer or not. Evans is a scammer.

Monero is not relevant to this discussion. Start your own monero thread if you have any evidence of wrong doing. You do not hence why there is no well documented monero scam threads. This is diversion only.

There is no haters. I do not hate Evans. He would have done the air drop in my opinion because he knows that the coin can go further without the scam start and that would have made some reparations for the captive instamine and the slashing of the minting. I think he regrets his actions and would like to undo them. I think dash whales around him control him. Like they did the day he offered the air drop. Some say he was not serious. I know he was deadly serious. He is rash and has human traits. He knows offering it admits guilt and wrong doing.

I think he is okay. However, with regards dash he has been a scammer. The coin dash must be crushed. Evans may start another project with a clean sheet. If it proves impossible to crush entirely then it must be always known that it started out as being a premeditated scam and we must anchor that to the project forever. There are many that will not see Dash excused as it stands now.

He can still yet do the right thing.

Grown people accept consequences and move forward. What was your point?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=monero+scam (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=monero+scam)

Edit: Missing hint -> First link

Shitcoiner's Logic

#3. FUD. If 1 and 2 aren't doing the trick just keep repeating FUD (while simultaneously slipping in every possible negative you can about them or whatever coin they endorse). Politicians call this mudslinging, but we'll call it FUDslingin'.

Standards are falling, you get what you pay for and 5XMR a day gets piss poor fud ;D

stan distortion = great name for one attempting to distort the truth about dash. Here have another read of this piss poor fud..


FUD

FACTS UNCOVERING DECEPTION.

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!


dispute the facts not start on about some other coin ...make your own threads for that.

I learned that polls in this forum is pure manipulative & makes no sense, what you been blabbering I already read it on Dash.org they are not hiding it. Are you facing your computer screen feeling discouraged of how Evan is still being successful while you & your friends kept hating for two years? probably because no one was scammed and probably because he worked hard for what he gave crypto so far.

 Just a thought what about I make a poll asking people in this full of smart people forum. Like this one for example :

If a chicken sleeps with a donkey what do they produce?

1. a donkey with chicken body.
2. a chicken with a donkey body.
3. Hard to tell.
4. This can not happen you silly you silly boy!

read again then comment


Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

Monerodice buddy, u know I am right. go check it

The category mapping and its associated classes look pretty neat.
Something tells me Dash Github Visualization 2016 will be interesting.

For those curious about 2014 / 2015 :

Dash (Darkcoin) Github Visualization 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai5V4Upblog

Dash Github Visualization 2015*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNCm-6GCCSE

* due to Dash forking from Bitcoin you will see not only development on Dash but also on Bitcoin

there you go again, getting confused about the facts .. let me clear them up for you :

Interview with Evan Duffield, Winner of 2014 Proof of Honor Award
https://dashtalk.org/threads/interview-with-evan-duffield-winner-of-2014-proof-of-honor-award.3626/

2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards | Results Posted!  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=920053.0

we understand .. cryptohunter, keeping to the facts and telling the truth is something you are strugging with for some time now...

How does monerodice = dash isn't a scam by way of its instamine?

You should warm-up before you attempt those type of logical contortions--you might pull a muscle or something.

Thank you qwizzie for bringing those valuable pieces of information forward.

And thank you storytellers for continuing to keep us enthralled with the events of 48 hours two years ago. We owe you a debt of gratitude for keeping our memories refreshed. However, as I said earlier, you will not control the narrative of this thread which is focusing on the present and the future of Dash.

Dash has a great team, great technology, governance, funding and is well poised to be the Internet of Money. Dash Nation is growing, and we're always looking for more talent to help us build a true decentralized digital cash, just as Satoshi envisioned it. Something it looks like Bitcoin is incapable of doing.

If you aren't interested in two years ago you might be interested in current misleading, incomplete, and deceptive statements still being used to scam investors:

For example, the current ANN says:


LOL.

show me my struggle in black and white.




Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!


the narrative should be the truth..........that is the only narrative.
Those awards are worth 0
They are a joke as are the body that gives them out.


It is funny to me that dash is constantly voted the biggest scam on this board in every poll yet somehow was awarded those joke awards apparently based on votes??? oh really??

Shall we put it to the vote now ? right now on this board?? see what people say?

Shall I ask if those awards are worth anything?? and that evans deserves to have any award but top scammer?



what do you think the polls will say if left up long enough and bumped enough times for the dashers to become exhausted from voting.

Actually i will make the poll manual so you have to post and say how you want to vote so we can see who is voting?

awards are not based on facts especially those joke awards.... they are simply awards voted on by each community. We can see dash has a lot of pigs with noses in the trough of course they will be voting for evans. Like the overwhelmed the vote of the air drop in the first hours before they forced evans to pull out.

Let's have 2 polls both manual votes... no sneaky voting, no votes from noob accounts just registered. Anyone else we can look at their post history to see what they're agenda is.

1. should we have the air drop ?
2. was dash a scam and evans a scammer?

Come on let's put it to the vote. Are you ready?


Thanks taoway I had put all thoughts of dash aside. I needed you to motivate me again.

Please! Start another thread about Dash. You and your cronies can have a party, roast marshmallows and sing Kumbaya. When you finish conducting the poll, bring it here and show us the scientific results. You do Dash all the service every time you come here to tell your stories by keeping my article about Dash front and centre, plus you are very entertaining.

Dash Nation is moving forward, with a solid plan to become the Internet of Money. Like us or hate us, that is a fact. Our engine is running on all (V12) cylinders. Marketing, development, fiat on-ramp building, and discovery are all moving forward in tandem thanks to Dash's decentralized governance and funding system.

Please, regale us with more tales and accusations which prove nothing. My article should be seen by more people!

If you think this thread is going to provide a good image for dash.... you're more helpful than I ever imagined.

It is another one for google to pick up on and reference for people to read in detail about darkcoin scam, xcoin scam and dash scam...oh and evans scam.

I am sure your community are as ever pleased with you. Imagine if you had never broken the scam on the main board 2 years ago. You will go down in crypto history taoway. Dark coin destroyer that is how you will be remembered :) i am envious of that title  if nothing else.

Anyway I have things to get on with. I can't be assisting you in fighting dark coin dash coin scams 24/7. Good to have you back though.

You know if you say "scam" a few more times, you may rival the amount of times Allen Iverson said "practice" in one of my favorite sports videos:

http://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI

Repeating the word over and over is a new tactic for you here, but, alas, even that does not make it true.

What is true is Dash's dedication to building an exceptional product through their ideas, governance and funding.

You take care, as well.

The evidence of an instamine + the dash ANN saying, "Dash has no premine and was fairly and transparently launched" makes it a scam. Maybe if Evan gets hauled off to jail, you'll get it--though I'm sure you'll be in denial then too.

I just love how the pro-Dash narrative of this thread is bringing out all of the trolls to attack me at the same time in typical school-boy bully fashion!

Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the ANN... no premine, and the launch time was posted as indicated above. Those are the facts, not spinning facts to suit your purposes. Was it perfect? No. Was it a scam? Absolutely no proof to indicate is was anything other than Evan's boyish enthusiasm which he continues to show to this day. Its one of his best qualities, and will serve Dash Nation well in the future.

Maybe you need to bring some more bullies... then people will believe your stories...

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I would like to once again show my appreciation to those who are reading this thread and giving Dash an opportunity to set the record straight from the constant negativity of a few individuals.

Wanna know about Dash Nation? I describe the idea behind it here (5:30):

http://youtu.be/mtpeuGLaiqs

To find out more about how Dash is building the Internet of Money, see our website
(spoiler alert: Evan is not even in charge of this project):

www.dash.org/evolution

To join the conversation, join https://DashTalk.org

Respectfully,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

Coinsource.com only awarded one of those, and it was to Evan.  Now they are defunct and the web site is gone.

But let's not forget what a scam pushing POS that place was:

Oh, there's another bully. Welcome to the thread! My website's never been more popular.

That angle though is not really very effective. It says nothing terrible about Dash, but more about CoinsSource.

You may want to go back to the drawing board. I admire your persistence though!

The runners up are illustrative

#2 developer of saffroncoin
#3 developer of stealthcoin
#4 developer of magi
#5 developer of vericoin

It doesn't get any better from there.

What I think is that the following information is conspicuously missing from any Dash media and it isn't there because it shows (contrary to what the dash ANN says) an unfair launch that was purposely distorted.


I'll let you get back to your marketing via distraction and half-truths.

Bump of the OP:

https://www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation/the-internet-1715527827.html

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You know I heard the sand people are easily startled, but they'll soon return in greater numbers. Where did I hear that from? Anyway, take care and thank you for your role in allowing me to set the record straight about Dash. :-)

Looks like we managed to shake the hornets nest a bit Tao  ;D
Damage control in full swing now too i see ...  

Damn those hornets look pissed off.

Wow, CoinSource certainly is an authority on quality altcoin development.  I'm baffled why the site would fail, given such great content.

No wonder the DashHoles are so proud of Evan's award.

/s

"Welcome to Dash - The only alt judged superior to saffroncoin!"

http://oi67.tinypic.com/28tkx92.jpg

thats it, i'm putting one of these on :

https://i.imgur.com/yc6g2mA.png

sorry guys, that was the last suit.

Yeah, they need to be put in their place. They've been allowed to control the narrative for too long. Those days are over. Dash is a respectable, highly advanced, top candidate to be the future Internet of Money, and it's time that someone stood up and told the truth about it in a highly conspicuous place.

Dash Nation has every reason to be proud and positive about their present and future, without dealing with mistruths and innuendo.

The buck stops here. The more they post, the better it will be for Dash through the education of readers.

Thanks for visiting!

#DashNation

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Ha! Well you have to understand what I'm dealing with here:

"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

 ;D Thanks for that.

You don't control the narrative.  The facts control the narrative.

Ouside of the Evan's Gate cult of bagholders, Dash is widely despised, being infamous for its profitable and conveniently "accidental" instamine, bad crypto, and snake oil HYIP marketing.

You cannot rewrite this history.  The more you try, the more we laugh at you.

Keep laughing. You have no facts. I'm presenting the facts on my website. All you guys have is spin, innuendo and persistence. Keep laughing. If someone would like to see the facts, see here: www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation. And if Dash is despised outside of Dash Nation, it's only because you and your merry men have controlled the narrative about Dash through your "facts". No more, amigo, this ends today.

To be scammed, or not to be scammed, that is the question:
Whether it's nobler in the mind to resign
yourself with delusions of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of lies
And by opposing, end them. To reveal--to free...

See, that was creative! I'm starting to like you. You are welcome in Dash Nation any time you'd like. Come join a winning team! I'd hate to see you wasting your talents like this... Props!  ;D

Dash's massive instamine is a historical fact.

You may try to spin that damning fact with some ridiculous narrative about how it wasn't really that bad or whatever, but nobody outside of your insular cult of Duffield sycophants believes that.

Topic: [POLL] Scammiest shitcoin of all time
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001604.0

This is only the beginning. 
Just wait until Dash Classic sponsors an episode of DailyDash, oops, I mean DailyDecrypt.  Then you will learn the true meaning of narrative control....   8)

Thank you so much for so eloquently proving my point. Who's side are you on?

Thanks, but no thanks. I know a tragedy when I see it.

OK. But if you ever change your mind, PM me. Dash Nation is growing, and there's lots of room in our 2MB blocksize for you. Cheers!

OK. This has been a productive thread so far, and I thank all who are reading it for their patience. We have established that Dash's name has been dragged through the mud needlessly by certain individuals, and I feel that Dash has a new lease on life.

Please, I encourage everyone to do their research and discover the truth for themselves. The truth that I and the rest of Dash Nation knows, that Dash has limitless potential due to their two-tier, soon to be 3-tier decentralized architecture. The Decentralized API will allow for a myriad of third party apps and smart contracts to be built on top of the Dash network, leading to immense opportunities.

The beginnings were rough, but there's no denying that Dash has what it takes to be the Internet Of Money.

Come check us out! Tell them Tao sent you. The trolls will not be bothering us anymore, I promise you.

Thanks again. Onwards and upwards,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

An acronym I didn't know. Thanks.

TaoOfSaatoshi is a clown. Put him on Ignore.

Encouraging everyone to do their research and discovering the truth for themselves is pretty much my motto too, which i told people
a number of times already.

There is a storm gathering people, right now it is slowly building up strength but when it reaches its full strength you will know the meaning
of Dash shifting into higher gears.  
 
Untill then, have a nice sunday folks  :)

The point is people really hate Paycoin, but they feel Darkcoin-rebranded-as-Dash is the scammiest shitcoin of all time.

That's impressive.  :)

The shady/gloomy premine maybe one of the reason it was re-branded to Dash.

Its really amusing to see people use the word premine with regards to Dash, it immediately and effectively shows that they
either dont know the meaning of the word premine or it demonstrates they fell for the FUD that trolls are trying to use with regards to Dash.

Darkcoin / Dash never had any premine, you can look that up in its blockchain or check on coinmarketcap.
Anyone claiming otherwise is quickly loosing reputation.

To d-trix : its perfectly fine to use google and find out what exactly premine means and how its different from instamine.
 

The difference between a premine and instamine is semantics--they both result in an undue amount of coins being concentrated in a few hands, so to suggest an instamine is more palatable than an instamine is ridiculous. It's like telling a diabetic that the soda they drank (labeled sugar-free)  is fine to drink because the bottler used corn syrup--this type of deception in advertising is common among scams looking to play semantical games rather than acknowledge that they know exactly what people want or are trying to avoid and are using the misrepresentation to fool people into buying their product.

TLDR: If you wanted people to know dash was instamined, you'd be telling people dash was instamined. And before you post some obscure link that someone would have to search to find, know that I'm talking about in the same area reserved for "no premine, fairly and transparently launched."

How about: No premine, fairly and transparently instamined.

Instamine :

BTC : due to Satoshi's rather large bags that he / they mined early on (1 million BTC)
DASH : due to faults in the code in the early 48 hours, causing mining difficulty to unintentionally stay low in those hours
MONERO : crippled mining software, creating an unfair playing field for miners
The Whole Cryptoscene : due to people not aware of cryptocurrencies in the first place, giving them no opportunity to participate in the mining early on

Premine :

a much more specific list, see : https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/493

to name a few:

ETH
MEM
NXT

As you can see the definition of instamine is much broader and can have different reasons and different degrees of severity, while the definition of premine is much more strict.

Damn Satoshi, that instamine scammer has millions of coins! It doesn't matter how many coins Evan mined at the start (and I for one hope he mined a very good number), someone else will end up with a greater percentage of the cap no matter how many and the same goes for Satoshi, that's just how life works, the rich get richer even if someone else gets a head start on them.

Denying that is wishful thinking, the history books prove it over and over. Maybe that's just how things should be, maybe it's a problem that needs fixing, idk, but what I do know is Dash is the only crypto capable of taking on that kind of question and developing on it.

Estimated 1 - 5% versus the Dash's insiders 33 - 50% or so...

Satoshi doesn't have a masternode scam to continue to print 33+% of the coins for himself.

Did you pull those numbers from the second or third shelf of your ass?

So how many BTC and XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? And how many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

 ;) --hint, it's like comparing the sugar content in ice cream sandwiches to the sugar content in a carrot stick.

https://i.imgur.com/AXuIm92.jpg?1

I know dashtards are terrible with logic, but f#@*!

Evan hasn't disclosed the precise numbers, but has already made official statements indicating he knows the numbers as I explained upthread when I analyzed his latest official explanation.

We have very strong evidence to believe the Dash insiders have an order-of-magnitude times more percentage of the money supply than Satoshi, and worse yet an ongoing scam to print more coins for themselves.

DDD (aka 3D) is a new communicable disease, Dash Dalmation Deathstar. Just purchase some DRK and pump it publicly to become an accomplice.

Monero insiders cashed out from their shit already?  ::)

We also have strong evidence to believe you are full of bullocks .. for some time now. Easily verifyable through your posting history.
So, an ongoing scam to print more coins for themselves huh ? Yeah, lets just forget that each active masternode contributes to a stronger network,
is essential for darksend mixing / locking transactions / arranging instantx / voting over budget proposals and lets just emphasize the ongoing scam to print more coins part.

Nice strategy. That will work for sure.
  

Hey, Qwizzie, what's the percentage of dash mined in the first 24 hours? Come on, I know you know the answer--

It's not like you'll die if you write it, right? Maybe acknowledging the truth will kill you--I'm guessing it will set you free of having to manipulate the truth away--again and again and again...

They're just numbers, and remember, it was you who brought up the comparison.

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours?

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

The top 100 Dash addresses share only 17.87% of the current total Dash in existence.

This is less than any of the major coins:  
Less than Bitcoin 19.4%
Less than Litecoin 49.05%  
Less than Dogecoin 52.52%
Less than Peercoin 60.91%
Less than Namecoin 71.81%

In fact less than any of the main coins listed on the independent site https://bitinfocharts.com/

So anyone wailing about the so-called instamine or unfairness in distribution is just trash-talking and can be safely ignored.  Dash is very nicely distributed thank you very much.  

...

4: Who gives a shit?

Wasn't there a vote on this somewhere? Iirc shits given was less than 20% even will the full faith and credit of the trolls army of sockpuppets dedicating their shits to it.

i wish people would stop putting my first letter of my name in upper case, i like my name in lower case thank you very much.  :(

Look at the dashtards scramble.

Who cares? Well, whoever created the dash ANN cares (not to admit it, and go out of their way to say, "no premine, fairly and transparently launched" And here comes the circuitous "but it wasn't a premine...." which I reply with "Yes, you semantically playing moron, it was technically an instamine or fastmine which has an equivalent bad result--and you know it or you wouldn't hide it in your media."


Lots of wallets...proves there are lots of wallets (nothing else)--unless you own all of them, you can't discern who owns what, duh.


Where's Qwizzie with the answer to my simple questions? ...Wait there he is complaining (stalling-for-page-change) about me capping his name. If he liked (or was proud of) the answer, he wouldn't care how I spelled his name.

 

maybe qwizzie isn't hearing you because you are spelling his name wrong...

I see no reason to retort the nonsense that has come since my last post, since I had already retorted those points before.

The Dash insiders and pumpers are here to try to bury what was already explained upthread and in the other thread about the instamine.

Want to see the trolls go silent? ;D 'Tis easy, they game the forum rules and are shit scared of the mods attention (I guess they have to pay for their accounts if they lose them ;D ). This thread is about the future of Dash and internet money yet they continually insist on diverting discussion to the past, clearly a breach of forum rules imho but that's not my choice to make ;)

And seeing as no one else seems to have any interest in discussing very early history I'd say a few links to places where it's already been discussed in depth (many, many times, almost all of which by the same few individuals) would cover that off-topic so we can get the discussion back to the future internet of money and Dashes place in that.

So the future of money has no past?

Maybe you can answer my questions s.distortion: How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours? How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

I contend that the answer will disqualify one of those coins from being the future of money--is that off-topic?

That what I wanted to say.
There are 10's threads out there about it, go there and talk to yourselves.
Attention whores with OT posts.

The first 3, I already asked if anyone gives a shit and none answered so pretty much irrelevant as far as this thread is concerned. The last, probably not important, all have gone from strength to strength since launch (some more than others ;D ) so it's unlikely to have any great influence on their future.

As i see this all is really hurting poor generalizethis mind and i worry he will loose sleep over it :

https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118


There is really no pissing contest here, instamine is instamine .. numbers dont change the fact that all three cryptocurrencies (BTC, DASH, XMR and most likely a lot more cryptocurrencies out there)
fall under that "instamine" category. Which makes it all a bit ironic really.

edit : makes me think of that pregnancy saying : you cant be just a little pregnant.....

 

He he, that worked better than expected :) Maybe a different aspect on the future of internet money, things like MMOs and strategy games seem to be breaking free of their servers and out into the wilds of the internet (including gankers and raid parties :/ ) and the whole cryptocurrenct ecosystem could end up not too dissimilar to warcraft. Things very much like raid parties are common on trading markets and as chains become more tightly linked there could be a lot in common with (ex.) resource based strategy games, bots, battling factions, all that kind of thing. That doesn't really fit in with Dashes primary aim, Digital Cash, but it fits in very well with Dashes focus on evolution.

Fucking liars.

Additionally BTC and XMR don't have a masternode scam to print DRK to hand to insiders who use their instamine to stake masternodes. It doesn't cost anything ongoing to have masternode. It is print-money-out-of-thin-air scam.

You Dash fuckers will never stop lying.

Wow, you guys really can't answer a direct question with numbers as the only possible answer?

I know it ruins your shitcoin dreams to have to face reality, so I ask again (for the sake of reality): How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours? How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

If you don't know, just say so, I already assumed that since you invested in dash that you are terrible at fact checking.

I think the future of internet money will slowly shift from using bankcards to using phones & smart watches (with NFC capabilities for example).
This will give Dash opportunities as its already focussed on mobile phones (Android, iOS) & Internet of Things (Rasberry Pi etc).
Decentralised API will further enhance shop's (from all over the world) ability to process payments
through a cryptocurrency like Dash. FIAT gateways are given higher priority lately and i think these FIAT gateway tools thats being
developed for Dash (Backend Tools) are scheduled to be open-sourced so other cryptocurrencies can profit from these as well.

ref : https://dashtalk.org/threads/prioritization-of-fiat-gateways.8457/

So the future looks bright with regards to Dash and also towards cryptocurrencies that are putting development of their own coin as top priority,
its a big market out there after all, almost untouched. Dash & Bitcoin and a few other cryptocurrencies can easily co-exist in that market, each perhaps in
their own carved out niche. Or Dash can end up dominating all these niches.. time will tell.

Maybe because the solution is not simple?
The Core devs have already proved that segwit works:

https://segnet.smartbit.com.au/block/0000008dfef05aa2924f65f3423de9875005a9107ff1c963c6c35f929b32ff0e

Here is proof. So Bitcoin IS scaling, and is getting privacy friendly features added too.

Only idiots are still arguing about blocksize increases and dreaming with some irrelevant altcoin taking Bitcoin's #1 spot, everyone with a brain and money already moved to BTC or is doing so slowly to not raise the market too soon.

I must say, I was pleasantly surprised when I woke up this morning and found this thread still at the top of the Altcoin Discussion board.

I was content to let this thread die after getting the confirmation of what I knew all along: The perpetrators of the scam narrative don't have a leg to stand on, not a shred of evidence linking Dash's beginnings to any bad intent, they are just controlling the narrative on the subject.

But, these school-boy bullies continue to bump the thread with their documentation of the facts from 48 hours two years ago, which no one is disputing. So I again owe them a debt of gratitude.

For facts about Dash, see these sites: www.dash.org and www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation.

Dash Nation is not dwelling in the past, although we remember where we came from. We are focused on the future, and building the future Internet of Money through our advanced decentralized technology, governance and funding.

Thank you for bearing with us while we stand up to the individuals who seek to dominate the narrative about Dash, as has been revealed in this thread.

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

Thank you for your valuable contribution. A lot of people share your opinion. Dash will be just fine in that environment. We will establish ourselves slowly at first, with the trickle of users soon becoming a flood for the reasons described in my article in the OP.

OP bump:

https://www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation/the-internet-1715527827.html

I wish Dash nothing but the best, but those people saying how Bitcoin is dead and it can't scale hoping that some altcoin will take its place are nothing but delusional.
Bitcoin is scaling, Bitcoin will get more private, those are facts. You just can't say shit about scaling when alts don't even have to face that problem because they are tiny. If some alt gets as big as Bitcoin it's going to be fun seeing them struggle with scaling. It's easy to talk on the sidelines.

There is truth in what you are saying but lets just see what the Bitcoin halving will do with regards to its mining activities, its transaction confirmations and longterm how decentralised it will stay as a whole.
Those are currently my main concerns with regards to Bitcoin.

Likewise for Bitcoin, imho it should remain the front runner for the whole crypto movement and I doubt you'd find anyone involved with Dash that wants Bitcoin to fail, there's more than enough room for honest competition between cryptocurrencies and competition improves the breed as a whole. Dashes scaling has been addressed in theory at least, 7000 transactions a second are well within the scope of the Evolution whitepaper and a clear path to over 10x that, no doubt there'll be some sort of teething problems but the groundwork is sound. The Evolution whitepaper is around somewhere with details on it, the quorum selection allows lots of transactions to be handled in parallel.

EDIT:
https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf#h.sffj9rn0diom

Investopedia 101



Market cap is not a measure of anything real such as liquidity because for example if just 1% of the supply of Dash was sold it would cause the price to drop 99% (https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/717839912980992004) whereas only 20% for Monero.

Market cap is not even a measure of how much has been invested in the coin. For example, I create 1 million tokens, then execute one transaction to buy 1 token from myself for $100. No one invested $100 million. Duh!

Much of the volume can be fake due to insiders buying from themselves to create pump of the price, which is especially likely (presumably always) in ICO and insta/premine coins (i.e. scams).

ETH is not even a hundredth of Bitcoin's market adoption:

Bitcoin's possibly semi-centralized and privately funded attempts to scale notwithstanding, the points I made in the OP stand. Bitcoin, through centralized funding sources, will not be able to innovate and adjust as fast as Dash's decentralized funding and governance model. Over time we will start to see the advantages add up. When you introduce centralization to a decentralized currency, it's a recipe for disaster, if you care about that. Dash is decentralized from top to bottom, it is a priority for us, and that is a model that will provide the cohesiveness and the flexibility to overtake the market leader, and lay claim to the title of Internet Of Money.

Dash Nation's Fernando Guttierez Presents Dash at the Madrid Bitcoin Meetup:

https://www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation/dash-overview-madrid-bticoin-meetup-1720964851.html

#DashNation

It is, but Monero shills will keep saying things up including their developer Smooth because well if I can't compete with Evan in coding nor my 30+ developer colleagues why not start a thread about the same issue over and over again with 10 different threads each month!

Reality is you have a hashfast scammer "iCEBREAKER", along with Smooth who is a very low developer btw, & the clown who keeps telling everyone how genius he is for about two years yet we did not see the coin he keeps telling us about not even a white paper TBTP_need_war.

Evan is pissing them off with he's success and I am LOVING IT

You truly have a dizzying intellect. The rumours are true! That's quite a fine piece of storytelling right there. Please elaborate, preferably with something that you didn't just pick out of thin air and decide to share with the Internet.

The truth and facts are that Dash Masternodes are decentralized (spoiler alert: my grandmother runs one  ;D) and are a brilliant idea to perform Dash's myriad of current and future open-sourced services. They are a way for the largest stakeholders to have a say in the direction Dash takes, without ceding influence to well-heeled outside entities. Masternodes are a key part in the way Dash is creating Satoshi's vision of a true digital cash.

It's like you wrote the Shitcoiner's Guide to Shitcoin Logic

The Shitcoiner's Guide to Shitcoin Logic

This is a handy guide for those who are sick and tired of technical arguments. Don't be the victim of technowizardry and logic, don't let the cryptocurrency world be ruled by math, fuck math! Math is for eggheads and dorks and no future is going to be dictated by protocols. Cryptocurrency is easy and a good marketing plan and these helpful techniques will be all you'll need to put nerds on standby and rocket your shitcoin to the moon and beyond.

#1. No matter how dire the warning from those technobabling nerds sound, they can be easily refuted with one word--JEALOUSY. Say it often and say it proud and don't let their theoretical arguments get in the way of you and your rightful shitcoin future. If they tell you the algowhateverthingy is broken, say "These blankcoin motherfuckers have been saying that for months and look, our coin is still alive and stronger than ever! They're just jealous that (our coin is ahead of them on coinmarketcap.com) or (our coin has twice the innovation as that has-been and every day we're eating into their market cap)." If you can work SCARED and JEALOUS into the same post, all the better.

#2. THAT"S JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION MAN. This a technology built around theoretical math, and you don't have to know much about theoretical math to know that these eggheads are always arguing about who's right. But lucky for you and your shitcoin is that you don't have understand therorhetical math to pull the OPINION card. Just keep saying it and no one will notice that you aren't actually arguing math, game theory, economics, or any other nerdisms. Just keep on saying it's just their opinion, because there are more people with no therorhetical understanding than there are that do--and you just need their money to launch your shitcoin into the stratosphere (or whatever crap is between us and the moon).

#3. FUD. If 1 and 2 aren't doing the trick just keep repeating FUD (while simultaneously slipping in every possible negative you can about them or whatever coin they endorse). Politicians call this mudslinging, but we'll call it FUDslingin'.

#4. "They're attacking us therefore...." Use this in conjunction with a Ghandi quotation, JEALOUSY, and FEAR for a powerful trifecta of shitcoinery. Ghandi may have been shot and India may have been split into India/Pakistan and their cause may have been helped by the English fighting wars in Europe and Asia, but who cares? No one investing in your shitcoin is worrying about the subtleties of history--you just need a slogan and an authority figure to back up your bumper sticker logic.

#5. If all else fails, TROLL! Make fun of their mom, their dad, their girlfriend, their lack of a mom, dad, or girlfriend. Say they're poor, say they're rich, say they have a small penis, a big penis, multiple penises of varying size--whatever, anything to get the subject off a technological footing. People buy on emotion and abusing people's emotions is shitcoinery 101.

can you please leave penises out of this discussion generalizethis .. thank you.

Fantastic post. Are you sure I can't get you to join Dash Nation? Your creativity and persistence would be an asset to the team...

As soon as you answer my questions: How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours? How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours?

It's like these questions are lepers or something--given the dash community's hands-off approach to addressing them. I promise the answer won't kill you, just force you see by your own hand why the question asked in the title is a big ol' NO.

you do know i already answerred your post here .. right ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1430587.msg14489672#msg14489672
anyways, i know how you like to stay in the past but lets try to move forward for a change....

just as a reminder, in case you forgot --> Dash: The Future Internet Of Money?

And you lied:

oh dear, i dont think certain people are ready to move forward  :-\

Another clown, qwizzie, has been put on Ignore.

oh darn, i had so many questions to ask you... to be honest mostly about your initials but still.

LOL. Apparently you think a spin article answers what only numbers can answer:

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours? ___ <-- a number goes here

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? ___<-- a number goes here

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours? ____________________ <-- a number goes here

Reminder, a coin can't erase its past to become the future of money.

The facts of the instamine continue to be brought forward and for that we thank you. It's a reminder that nothing is perfect. Evan displayed a youthful exuberance in launching his coin, coupled with lack of experience caused some mistakes to be made. Evan is a wonderful person, and all of the school-boy bullying is not going to introduce evidence of bad intent.

Evan Duffield's qualities of enthusiasm, brilliance, and persistence lead Dash Nation well by example, and by the innovations he discovers. Dash is the powerhouse crypto it is today because of him and other professional Dash team members.

This is the team that works on the Internet Of Money, and we're just getting started.

Correct.

Fascinating.

I thought he ignored you, so that he could quote himself as he goes without being disturbed.
This guy is an Addict.

Yeah, I even tell them they're helping me with thread bumps and they still continue... It's an interesting social case study.

Can you answer my question? How many miners were there at the first 24 hours? Because if there with Dash were 1000 miners, that is a pretty good distribution if you ask me. With BTC we know, Satoshi and maybe Hall. What about XMR with intentional cripled miner at the beginning for everybody besides scammy devs and their friends/insiders?

Edit: can someone quote this fella? I want to check if he can answer?

Lol, because one person can't be using multiple miners  ::)

So I'll ask again....

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours? ___ <-- a number goes here

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? ___<-- a number goes here

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours? ____________________ <-- a number goes here

You're getting under their skin. Your positive attitude is making them mad. Be carefull, they are serious. One already called you names  :o

Yeah, be carefull .. next thing you know, they put you on ignore  :o
But at least TPTB_need_war spelled my name correctly. I call that progress  ;D

Dash: The Future Internet Of Money?

Yes ?
No ?
Maybe ?

(and no, i'm not requesting a poll  ::))

I'm starting to sense a pattern. Readers, can you see it? The same individuals, repeating the same mantra, intending that if they say it enough times, you might actually take it as fact. These individuals have been allowed to do this for two years.

The facts are the facts.

The instamine happened.

Great technology happened.

A great team assembled.

Dash Nation was created.

A path to being the true digital cash Satoshi envisioned was laid out.

And that's where we are today. The school-boy bullies will try to bamboozle you with their spin and innuendo. Don't fall for it. Do your own research and see what I've been maintaining all through this thread and on the OP.

I have to go for a while, so the bullies may take this opportunity to try and change the narrative, but I'll be back.

Kind regards,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

Damn Tao, this thread got 212  replies in just 2 days. Its very impressive and appearently long overdue.

I see a pattern of ignoring the facts that inconvenience your narrative. Satoshi laid out a plan for decentralized money, dash didn't, doesn't and never will. Please answer the questions I've asked over and over and over again, to see why:

 
How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours? ___ <-- a number goes here

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? ___<-- a number goes here

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours? ____________________ <-- a number goes here

Anyone paying attention to this thread will notice these questions haven't (and probably never will be) answered in a direct manner, and they will also realize that that is because the answers ruin the illusion that dash can be anything more than a speculator's hub for bamboozling greater fools.

i wish people would stop using copy & paste, its such a waste of a good opportunity to use one's brain intellectually.

And I wish people wouldn't be naïve, gullible, stupid, ethically challenged, or avoid answering easy questions. But thanks for tipping me off that you dislike the way the questions are framed. So no need to waste time rewriting.

Can someone quote him? He could answer that easy question and I can't see it ::)

Nope, I asked you guys so you can have the epiphany that dash isn't decentralized enough to be the future of money. Go on, you can see for yourself. No fun if I just show you the obvious.

How many BTC were mined in the first 24 hours? ___ <-- a number goes here

How many XMR were mined in the first 24 hours? ___<-- a number goes here

How many dash were mined in the first 24 hours? ____________________ <-- a number goes here

sorry Lucas_Jackson, i'm not sure he saw it / them

Anyways, the future is looking bright for Dash .. so many things set in motion, next few months will get interesting.

His questions are answered I think all over this place and at dashtalk, but my easy questions isn't.
I want answer, generalizethis.

Bigger isn't always better--for her, yes. For instamined coins trying to claim decentralization, not so much.

https://i.imgur.com/g4xyI1V.jpg?1

Note, I am just observing (lurker), but this question has been addressed over and over and over and over and over again. At least a few times just in this thread. Why do you keep asking an already answered question? In fact, you asked this question, after quoting the answer to your question. Baffling. It almost suggests you are a bot. Or 15.

If you are after exact numbers, go look it up yourself. It's irrelevant. If you are trying to point out that there was an instamine... Yup. Everyone knows this. It's been well publicized. The leader of the project has specifically addressed it a number of times. It has been discussed to death and folks can draw their conclusion as to what the state of the community and project is today.

I mean, trolls have their place in the world, but geez. At least change up your pattern of white-noise.

okay, that was pretty funny  ;D
(the picture itself i mean .. and its bound to attract more attention to this thread)

Dash: The Future Internet Of Money?

Lets hear your thoughts, all you casual readers out there  

Got to love this, they should be in the budget. Good quality trolling could be a problem but this stuff just means for the near terms at least Dash won't need a high tolerance of fools, even more strength to the foundations :) Good contrarian indicators too, read some interesting things about tangles recently thanks to their good/bad advice ;)

Quick post, I'm on the road. Want to get a feel for the Dash Nation experience? Listen to this interview of Dash Project Manager Robert Wiecko AKA "kot" by members Bill Cassidy, Oaxaca and Fernando Guttierez.

https://www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation/dash-round-table-ep03-interview-with-robert-wiecko-aka-kot-dash-projec-1721270610.html

I'm listening to it right now. Very informative.

Cheers,

Tao

Yeah, I remember self-emploee smooth said 18 months  :o ago that he destroy Dash single handedly  :D. He lost both his hands and I think a leg too  ::)
Who are they talking to? Oh gotta love those "geniuses".

Is that the soda machine girl?

we wish

Well we wanted to hire her:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZmkZWaWcAIMii9.jpg

But she wasn't available #HypocrisyExposed

looks like we found a common ground here at last : cryptobabes are hot, whoever they represent.

Thanks for mentioning that. The www.dashndrink.com InstantX Soda Machine is s great example of Dash's open-sourced decentralized tech in action. Great things can be accomplished by this protocol-level form of instant transactions. Dash's second-tier network makes this and other features possible.

Dash Soda Machine in action: http://youtu.be/e7rnhBQL1nM

Remote InstantX purchase by Yours Truly from Canada to Miami: https://youtu.be/kO7CEq80ASs

#DashNation #IoM

@qwizzie: That's so true!

Okay guys, time to get serious and get back on topic : Internet of Things .. what does it look like and how can it help Dash ?

Well, appearently considerable progress has been made in Japan recentely of which i think Dash can take real advantage of as its target
audience is spread all over this globe (we even have a large population hanging around in my own country).

So without further ado, i proudly present to you all : http://recode.net/2016/04/09/iot-internet-of-things-cows/

   

The game-changer is going to be Evolution. Imagine, a decentralized API that allows instant access to your DashPay Wallet from anywhere with Internet access. The same wallet, no more having one on your computer, your phone, your laptop, etc.

Easy to read usernames will replace long complicated addresses, and the decentralized and secure second-tier network will host the blockchain and provide a platform for a multitude of third party apps.

Evolution prototype in action: https://youtu.be/rcHC40YmS0g

Got any questions? Feel free to ask! If I don't know the answer, I promise you I will find it.

#DashNation #IoM

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If any of you reading this are interested in earning some passive income and supporting the decentralized Dash network in the process, consider starting a masternode.

As mentioned before, masternodes are the key to Dash's many innovations. They perform all of the open-sourced functions of the Dash network. To start a masternode, you require 1000 DASH. The reason for this is to prevent Sybil attacks. But, in return for your collateral, you receive a 45% cut of a block reward each time it's your turn. Right now, the rate of return (per year) on Masternodes is about 11%.

You control your Dash, and to stop running a node, simply send the funds from your masternode address.

To find out more information on masternodes, I recommend this site.

http://dashmasternode.org/

#DashNation #IoM

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Open Bazaar integration is very much on the radar of some developers in Dash Nation. For a free marketplace such as OB, having a private, instant retail-ready form of payment would make a lot of sense.

I am in communication with the developers of Open Bazaar, and there is a real push to see this happen.

https://dashtalk.org/threads/open-bazaar-integration.2045/page-13#post-88155

If you would like more info, or maybe if you have dev skills to help us, please let me know.

Remote control Moo? No thanks :) Hard to know where the IoT will will go, there's bound to be a few myspaces before it settles down but the details on identities Evan posted in the Dash announcements thread are a damn good starting point, they can be a person, a company, a cow, a washing machine, just about anything that needs to interact with other things in the virtual world.

And at least initially that's all that's really needed, it could be done just as simply with a Bitcoin address as an identity but that means practically everything else has to be done externally while Dashes second tier can handle them in a unified and integrated manner and allow almost any degree of complexity in entities and their interactions and could extend beyond that to interaction with other systems.

As far as I can see that's the next phase of crypto, the interaction between chains and networks, tying them together and presenting that seamlessly to the user. Dash is pushing hard down that road, initially with the current drive towards integration with the legacy financial systems but entities and Dashes second tier can take that to a whole new level and allow interaction with just about anything in the virtual world via the masternode network and present that in a simple and clean manner through the DAPI. No need to download even a lightweight client, anything connected to the internet can access Dashes blockchain and second tier services.

It was available to anyone with:

- A CPU
- Linux SO
- Internet connection


IQ much?

But not for those using windows or were asleep or couldn't get the necessary equipment in Evan's 24 hour window--though he only needed a few of those hours to get enough to equate unfair, but my guess is he only planned for the sleep window and the rest was bonus (like the later emissions cut).

Yeah... not much point trying to have a sensible discussion with Anonymint around, he seems to be capable of having an argument all by himself in some other dimension where the contents of that post has something to do with buzzwords. Not sure why I even bother replying, posters living in divergent realities is a moderation issue.

Fwiw and to try to get back to at least some connection with the thread topic terms like "the internet of things" piss me off nearly as much as "Bitcoin 2.0" but that's because they're so frequently misused. The idea behind the internet of things is immediately recognisable to any programmer as it's the programming concept of "objects" applied to real world things, their interaction adds a world of complexity to regular programming practices but the principles are just the same and a common platform for handling them is the only real first step that can be taken to develop them.

That's the point of things like Etherium and IOTA, the "world computer" idea but they may be trying to do too much to soon, it's obviously the direction things will take but the route that will take isn't really clear from here. For now the focus with Dash is simply the entities, mainly as the users and the means of handling the interactions we know are needed and with room to expand those interactions in whatever direction they may take. That doesn't mean Dash intends to compete with Etherium btw, it's just a no-brainer that the programming concept of objects will extend to real world things and the obvious first candidate for that is real world users.

You just said absolutely nothing about how dash actually plans to integrate with IOT--explaining IOT in vague manner and implying that (somehow) dash will be able to work with IOT is about as useful as me vaguely explaining spaceflight and intimating that with a 3d printer I could build a spaceship--possibly, someday.


Is there a whitepaper? Or is this coffee/water-cooler fantasy?

You mined bitcoin in the first year or were you sleeping? I was...  ::)

A year versus a day? I think your comparison is 364X off.

Its covered throughout the Evolution whitepaper and some parts of that are available now with the (experimental) Electrum Dash wallet:
https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf#h.yptb7wvfe8g1
EDIT: https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf#h.j19rjrbvfviu


Nothing in that paper really goes into detail on "things" because in short that's a buzzword for the programming concept of objects and programmers often have a blindspot when it comes to explaining things they take for granted in programming to none programmers (the "user" in those links is a programming object). That applies from top to bottom with the hype around the internet of things, get to grips with the programming concept of objects and "things" just becomes a (slightly irritating) different term for them.

I think not. More people (diferent people? decentralized people?) mined Dash in the first 48h than in bitcoin's first year soo... yeah  ::)

Assuming that each miner is an individual means you are gullible, stupid, ignorant or are conveniently rationalizing the circumstances that equate to a positive outcome for your investment--soooo.....  

Do you really think anyone is naïve enough to believe this rationale? I mean anyone outside the gates of scientology or dashland?

You could have just said coffee/water-cooler fantasy.

So you are saying more people (not your kind of miners  ::) ) mined bitcoin in the first year than dash in the first 48h?
Hint: A yes or no is enough  ;)

PS: you just keep confirming your alias over and over.... it's kind of boring after a while  ::)

It is not possible predict, which will be Nr.2 crypto after Bitcoin. There are a lot of altcoins nowadays, market will make decision by itself in next several years.  ;)

That's incorrect. What I'm saying is that due to the circumstances of the instamine, who can tell? Assuming that the dash numbers are all separate miners is absurd, but it's the only way you could assert that dash has an equal to, or greater than, distribution as Bitcoin in the first year--not that that in itself makes dash well distributed (many hate Satoshi's % and will point to that as to why BTC hasn't seen mass adoption).

Also, you should probably stop pointing to my name, as yours (and your brainfart assertions) leads one to believe that you are describing yourself---the day nuance equals generalization, is the day you'll have one up on me.

Very true but I doubt it will be settled in 2 years time, its quite likely the number of useful chains will likely grow exponentially at some stage as they carve out niches for themselves. Dashes target in that is simply digital cash, the key points that make up "money" at the core with ways of making it useful on top but you could see chains for every damn thing before too long, right down to every item on a supermarket shelf but things like company shares will probably be one of the first to move.

EDIT: The properties that make up money:
http://money.visualcapitalist.com/infographic-the-properties-of-money/

Its used as an infographic in Toa's excellent article linked in the OP:
https://www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation/the-internet-1715527827.html

That's correct, who can tell?

Distribution cannot be asserted with confidence in any cryptocurrency and so cannot be used as a negative when making "legitimacy" comparisons. It's really simple.

Edit: Except in the case of bitcoin, just a handfull of "known" people

Your BrainShutdown:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.msg14501341#msg14501341

It is becoming clear that Dash is the coin for the batshit insane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.msg14501341#msg14501341), the retarded (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1430587.msg14501364#msg14501364), and the incapable (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14499795#msg14499795).

And you have credentials to back this up I guess...

Ah, but it can be used to make negative claims for legitimacy. It's really simple, let me dumb it down for you.

Coin A's distribution is 10% of total supply over a year's period.

Coin B's distribution is 10% of total supply over a day's period.

In all likelihood, given both coins are launched with similar mining interest, which coin has the better distribution?

Now, what's really funny is that the argument for dash's redistribution is that the coin was cheap and no one wanted it on the exchanges--making the likelihood that there were very few miners more likely.

Thanks, brainshutdown, I wouldn't have noticed that logic-fail without your help.

What is your goal?

1. Short-term profits: gambling or P&D?
2. Long-term profits?
3. Ideological investment to support crypto-currency adoption?

Answers:

1. Close your eyes and pick some from a grab brag or get on the inside with a good scammer with a good technobabble story.
2. Bitcoin (maybe Monero, but I would prefer Bitcoin yet Monero has greater potential long-term upside)
3. IMO and AFAICS, no realistic choice yet available, other than Bitcoin ecosystem investments

What coins are you comparing exactly? Because you just generalized again...

Fair enough. I just don't get why you picked Monero for #2 (along with BTC) knowing that it started as a #1. Can you specify your reasoning?

I guess you could call comparing like things to arrive at a logical most likely conclusion a generalization, then you can go on say people using math are generalizing.

Dash versus a dash clone would be the best (most fair) comparison, though why anyone would want a clone of a badly designed coin is beyond me.

Bitcoin has 100 times more adoption (don't compare by market cap) given by transaction fees and equivalent power consumption for hashrate than any altcoin. So it currently has the only realistic chance of furthering crypto-currency adoption. Any other coin would have to grow 100 times before it is even making any improvement. 100 times adoption growth is extremely unrealistic.

Thus Bitcoin is the most stable for long-term growth and the most liquid. Bitcoin could possibly fall apart with the block size scaling problems, but I assume this will get resolved with increasing centralization and/or rising transaction fees.

Monero has the best of breed privacy that no other coin can touch. They are implementing RingCT which combined with Cryptonote will hide values, sender, and recipient. This is all End-to-End principled, so Dash is just a nonsense toy compared to Monero w.r.t. to anonymity (notwithstanding many other technical and economic flaws in Dash). Monero has a real cryptographer who is expert in algebraic geometric and other abstract math. Dash doesn't have this. There is no other coin out there with a realistic technology that actually works. Ethereum, List, Iota, MaidSafe, Sia, Storj, Synereo, etc are all flawed and won't work.

There is only one non-bullshit coin with innovation. Monero. Period.

Lol, way OT but whatever, at least Dash has such amazing innovations as a GUI wallet, several of them even which is several more than another coin being heavily promoted in this thread ;) Want to see real innovation? Read the link in the first post.

A GUI wallet does not a technology make.

Yeah more innovation such as the high school math error that was in the InstantX white paper for 1 year until I read the paper.

Whatever, piss poor technology without one and piss poor devs that spend 2 years trying to make one but that beats the crap out of the pace of development of your own coin all the same ;)

But anyway, wtf does that have to do with Dash and the future internet of money?

OMG A GUI! What coin doesn't have one of those? Even the coin you're trying to slam has one--though the developers have wisely adopted the strategy of building the coin to exact specifications before offering an official version. Some developers try and build the thing before they sell the thing--less rationalizing by the community of how great it will be (when it's fixed, err finished), and more observance of what the coin is today, as it stands, without the haze of BS.

You are generalizing this variable:

- similar mining interest

It's easy to miss variables I know... if you eliminate all the specifics the conclusion is obvious

I stipulated that above--after I realized you couldn't fill in the blanks for yourself.

But now revisiting the question, I would go through all the coins and rate them on fairness factoring emission time, software available to miners and emission rate. Though sites exist with this info if you're willing to search.

Thats specific thanks.

Just one more question you are confident Monero has all the monetary and performance specs needed to please the market in the future?

So I see you are another hopeless case of calling Bitcoin Core/Blockstream centralized and whatnot. Well, I wish you luck with your altcoin, meanwhile the best minds in the game are working hard in keeping the core of Bitcoin decentralized and scaling it through additional layers as any sane person intending to scale a protocol to worldwide usage would do.
In a couple of months it will be clear that anyone that didn't move their altcoins yet to Bitcoin will be up for a harsh awakening.

No kid, you've been filling all the blanks to support your argument, but it was fun  :)

Keep it up.

Sorry, I assume people know more than they do and don't need their hands held through the process. I'll be sure to remember that you need every little detail spelled out for you.

It's really quite funny the things you miss. Keep it up  ;)