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I hope everybody would be fair about this new feature implemented by admin theymos.
This thread is for the purpose of awareness that merit is given to a constructive and quality post. I have made a thread here in the market place section, hoping that there will not be such things like buying and selling merits. Let's work with our own asses.

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OP  is not asking attention, read and understand.  Obedience is better than sacrifice.

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EDIT UPDATE
For those who wants to receive merits for quality post. Check this thread, Challenging and Helpful.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3048258.0

Saddly, but many people are already selling/buying Merit points, for example here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827197.0
On local boards there are much more Merit sellers. There was people who got 20 or even 50 Merit for a low quality posts, it's obvious abuse of Merit system. Both, buyer and seller has to be reported to DT members and they will give them red trust rating.

I still hope for the best, but, based on your given link, he sells but there is no buyer, and don't worry about that account, it has red flags, a proof that he is not trust worthy and if ever somebody get into that it will be easily trace. And DT MEMBERS will take action to that.

Perhaps many buy and sell merit points in secret, I think it is very difficult to get merit points, most people will probably take a shortcut, maybe they have multiple accounts to send each other..

merit for me is important matter because merit is our evalution to bitcoin...it will show of our performance how to be cooperative and patient to all we posting...we must learn and give value to merit that we have and do not sale for it,,,we keep it...its shown our deducated to our work,

this system is new and most of the merits goes to meta posts.
people need more time to know about this system. maybe 1-3 months is enough time to know if this system good or bad.
we have total 600,000 smerits and 36 sources.
let’s wait more time and Then we judge the system

I do not know who are selling smerits, But seen some of the DT members are exchanging the smerit each other as they have good rapport each other in the multiple projects. Funniest side they gave the merits for yes or no answer too.
I do not know how admin takes this. Implementation of merit score is good according to me. There is no higher and smaller guys to say the post quality is this or that. Let have the best quality in out show posts page. All will rid-off.

They will be exposed soon in no time.

There's no shortcut to success so if they will do it then they will be known and probably be tagged by DT's.

That's a desperate one, everyone is aware that merits are not for sale and it shouldn't be bought.

I stopped posting on reddit after a few valid points I made were downvoted into oblivion due to people disliking or failing to understand them. I understand a merit system doesn't have this effect. But I still think that upvote / downvote systems (and potentially merit systems to a degree) could introduce more negative implications into content and user classifications than they do promote positive quirks.

On the plus side, they could incentivize posters to try harder to make quality posts. It could be a good system in some respects. It could depend on how prevalent account farming is, here. To be effective the farming might have to be reduced as it opens up the system to greater exploitation. Pay for play "merit" isn't something I know much about. It would seem to be associated with farming, can't say I know much about that.

It already started to have that effect I noticed after theymos's implementation of the Merit 'system'. In some cases it's very obvious that people are posting in a very forced manner to obtain a Merit or two, but at least they put time and effort into their posts, and that's something we can all be happy with, and especially so when we're a few months away from now. I am glad that theymos allocated his precious time to getting this Merit system up and running -- people for so long were complaining about theymos to not do anything about spammers, and now it shows that he does actually do something to prevent further spamming.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/constructive.png

Not exactly the same, but the general idea is the same.

It was just one random thread which I noticed. But take a look here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0
You can see how many people are suspected that they are abusing Merit system. So, not everyone aware that they shouldn't sell merits. And I'm sure that some of these people understand and know what they are doing and how they are risking

I think selling Merit points is not prohibited by the moderators if im not wrong. We can't avoid that cheating we must be friendly too so that anyone would love your post and give a damn time to click add merit. It was just like owe your kindness when you give him for return.


All of us wants to have merits but not in that way selling or buying LOL.  Also we couldn't control their accounts and when a shitposter could earn high merit, this system would be useless.

I really hope that merits would be given to deserving members of this forum. I hope merits will be used as a mechanism to corrupt other members and  I hope merits would no be given to friends or to people they know even if their posts are not up to par with other quality posts. I am really hopeful about this new system but I'm also skeptical about its implications on new members that are working their butts off just to work up and climb their rankings.

yeah this merit system would be useless if selling of merit points will chronic

I also stopped using Reddit for the exact reasons you stated. It's become an echo chamber in nearly every sub, and if you bring up a question that goes against the consensus, your karma will be ruined.

I agree that the merit system here is great, it will just need some tweaking especially with the supply. I think though a demerit system might not be a good idea for the exact reason that it might turn into Reddit.

We don't need to buy merits. Let's just make our post very useful and meaningful so that other user well send us merit because our post is constructive, useful, and meaningful. Don't buy merits because selling merit is not prohibited.

I can only see the new merit system being abused by those people with multiple accounts that he can use to rank up one of his accounts for his own benefits while the good quality poster will be ignored because no one really is interested to giving merits to anybody it will just become another task for them and it's a drag. And this merit system can also be exploited by many various ways such as selling it. I also heard that DT members is putting red flags on you for meritting someone and be accused that it is your dummy account.

These people who really don't know how to follow a simple words of how the merit system shall be used. Just like what I've said yesterday if they keep on abusing the system.

Theirs no reason to buy those merits really since we can actually earn it by posting some good quality posts and helpful ones, But we cannot please anyone to act fair since as we can see on meta their are series of events that merit system has been abused and their are guys who willing to buy it but if they found out buying it they will earned bad stake for their actions.

That is perfectly put forth. I think everyone must take note of this and we should not misconfgure the whole thing. I know there are already people who are against this system or at least they belive the system isn’t fair for the newcomers.

However, I’m sure the system is fully functional and will equally for newbies or legends and this can be observed with merit stats itself.

There is no need to go spamming about it as it won’t help anyone and might take you into trouble. Let’s just read everyone with wide open eyes and when you really think you have seen something deserving then just merit it and be responsible about it.

It’s that simple !

Your earlier sentence is very possible for people to start abusing the system but the way the merit system is designed made it something that won't last long term the reason is that there is limited amount of merit an individual can give out and the moment he uses it to promote an account, considering the gap between a rank and another is large, he will be forced to post quality in other to get merit to move to the next rank. Opening a new account won't even solve it because that would have zero merit to give either way you will still be forced to do the right thing and that should solve the issue of DT members giving red and we all know that you don't just give 30 merits for just post we all don't agree has content.

On maybe no one is interested in giving merit, you will see more of it because even me, I have given one to someone who just made sense to me and managers reading post too can give when they come across something interesting.

The good thing about this is that we can easily spot people out and verify that they're connected if something fishy is going on. Even if people make plans outside of this forum to grant merit, we can easily retrace which post the merit was added onto, and if the post is garbage, then it makes sense to flag them with red trust. I'm thinking that this whole merit system can make it a lot easier on higher ranking members who want to help the forum out by flagging the spammers and scammers.

One thing I hope doesn't happen in the future is the use of merit as "rep." Merit has nothing to do with reputation, and we should make it clear in the marketplace section especially that this is the case.

Come on guys, problems will not occur at the first place if everyone here just followed the instructions, rules and other guidelines.
Merit system is a good thing, at least we know devs are still concern about good members of this forum.
If they are cheating then be it and suffer the consequences.
I think the new system will also help confirming possible farm accounts.

Merits are not for sale if you want also you can't,only the Smerits can be send to the person you want. ;D

First of all this system is going to suck the spammers around the forum,no more rank up with the spam posts.But sadly the quality posts are also not gonna get the enough merits,the new merits system has been implemented three days ago but still many quality posters don't get even one merits.Luckily I got just one. :)

As per Theymos statement he will test the merits system for one or two months,if this merit is hard to achieve then changes will be made.So everyone post normally and do some contribution to the discussion don't care about merits for now.

I agree, the new Merit system is a good thing if everyone here in forum followed what the instruction and the rules. But now they abusing Merit point, and there's a lot of people they buy and sell their merit piont to get the bitcoin, but it's not a good way if they want to promote their account to the highest rank.

Haha that would backfire so hard on them! They give each other merit then they get negative trust. If you try to rig the new system you'll get rekt by the old system. HEED MY WARNINGS NEWBIES! DON'T GET NEGGED! Lol. Their will be many a legendaries with negative trust I guess.

It's a bad thing to buy merit for some reason, but it's possible since some of the signature campaign required a high/additional merit as possible ( to add some additional payment sounds like promotion what ever ) . But if you are bright and a good minded bitcoiner, it's easy to have it since you have sense in every thing you want to add on different threads. Just look for some interesting topic and join trading ideas with them.

It's absolutely bad things and against the forum rules  to buy or selling merits, merits  maybe  will be yhe requirement to join campaign, but the campaign manager will also check the quality of the  post, so although you got the high merit but when the manager check  your  post quality maybe you wont be accepted either, so you need  to earn your merit in a correct manner

Do they have some action/punishment to those who caught doing that kind of bad stuff? Or maybe some warning instead. But I think, it's gonna be additional work for all moderators and staff for sure. Good luck

That's what I am afraid of.
That people are going to abuse the system by trading/selling Merit.
The wholr point of Merit is to show how quality are your posts, and if people will start exchanging merit , it will be impossible to know whether your post quality is high or not.
Also, I think that everybody should be starting from 0 merit, and people with higher rank shouldn't be getting a higher score.

Starting from 0 merit is a good point, but it's already done. So it's gonna be complicated to update all merit. Just imagine how many post of hero or legendary rank made for such a several year till now. For me, its fair enough since they have a starting merit based on their rank. But just wondering, what if you rank up? Do your merit add some?

This new merit implementation is a good one to reduce useless posts and it is definitely not for sale or purchase it is one of the bad thought , the reason for the implementation of Merit is for good purposes so you cannot misuse this .

Well for me this new merit system will really help this forum to improve more. And the admin will screen those good poster that really deserve the promotion. Althought its quite challenging for us , but I think its for the better change. Because we can improve ourself on how we can provide a good quality and how we can contribute for the improvement of this forum.

People like that are those that continually make the effort of people trying to keep the forum decent and make it more accommodating frustrated because of their actions and they are the same people that flood the entire forum with posts that are not relevant and spams which led to serious of issues. Those people should not be allowed in saner society and even a Senior member rank and bold enough to open a thread for that, its surprising.

Merit is implemented for good purpose and not for sale but some people misuse this merit to rank up if you make a good and quality post you will definitely get merit in short time so post good and quality topics otherwise you will not get merit point .

Its true we can earn merits by quality and useful posts but some people may face the problem to make it easily. That's why some people trying to sell merit because they know there will be some people interested to buy it especially for those who want to rank up easier without worrying about how to make good quality posts. I'm no so surprised to see some people try to sell or buy merits for their own purpose because some people has been discussing about it since the first day when theymos implemented this feature. Lets just use it when we find something that useful for us or for the community, avoid any merits sales and keep being active like before when there was no merits.

It's impossible to prevent Merit sales from happening. This forum is the main hotspot for people to earn money online, and for that reason will do everything to rank up. Whatever system ends up in place to 'avoid' spam and everything related to it, people are creative enough to work around it. It's basically a catch up game for people, where at some point, catching up will be achieved one way or another. At least I so far have seen a positive change in how people write their posts, so I will start looking at newbies and other lower ranked accounts more closely to reward their efforts. The more we reward people for their efforts, the less people will try to game the system - at least, that's how I look at it.

About the benefits or harm of Merit to judge early. A couple of months, look at the statistics. But while it is possible to say that the newbies became more difficult, as many earlier raised their rank by spamming messages and reports. And now to me would be at least a Member will take months and maybe more (.
P/S hope that the forum will become cleaner and more informative.

Yes, it true but there are a lot of high rank member in this forum still try to sell or buy Merit point to get more money :)). I think we no need to worry about this case cause these guys will be founded out and tagged by DT member or moderator in here. :). Right at the first day when Merit point published, I saw a Hero Member wanna sell all his 200 Merit for 1m$. LOL.

You cant avoid on the situation where there are really people who do tend to sell their merits since they do able to see that this is a thing which is valuable now for people in able for their ranks to go higher and instances on selling it out is there but i would say it would be useless since there are lots of eyes which would really check if somethings wrong on the merits being exchange of or being putted. Negative trust would be expected on this between the sender and receiver specially when the merits being accredited to a post which is total garbage and doesnt really worth of on putting a merit.

Though merit is not for sell but some people will do this business anyhow.I saw in local board people are wanting merit for btc.So it's really hard to stop those activities We should be fare and give any members smerits for.high quality posts.

I also noticed that some people are talking about just merit on Meta section seeking DT members attention to get merits.

I agree, it is actually not that easy to track merit sells, especially if they are not made in big amounts and arranged somehow outside the forum or in local boards. However, I guess the system will work fine eventually. It is just that some improvements and explanations should be made.
Maybe it would be a good idea to set a limit of 5 merits one can give to one post, for example. At the same time, some encouraging actions should be made, because I have this feeling that most of people ignore the merits they can give to others and even when they agree with a person they don't merit him/her.

personally i think that this merit system have complicated the system a bit, the logic after it is good I like it, as much there are quality posts the better would this forum be but we are gonna see how merit affects the quality of posts and will people be fair to give merits.

Tracking merit sales can be hard and I'm trying to think of a way to track it down or prevent it, but I'm slowly getting to conclusion that it might not be possible at all.

Whoever want's to sell/buy, they can make a group on telegram or whatever and use different names and make a deal, it's simply too hard to prevent it.

The only thing that's coming to mind right now is like the upvote system. Like where people would upvote comments and if that one got ~5-10 upvotes, they'd receive a merit point, of course then sMerit would be removed.

This is the same situation as with illegal trades around the world, it's illegal but people will still try to do it somehow to get some more money, it's pretty normal.

How about helping eachother? I mean like we give our merit eachother? Its not good either in my opinion because it will give to anybody wheater they have not quality post.
I know every system has pros and cons, but this system has more pros than its cons.

I agree with you on this point, merit system should be more clear and it also should be more specified. I think merit system must be dependent on the quality of post but I don't know how to measure it. So when people of this forum will know that the quality of post will carry a value regarding merit point then everybody will be alert and post quality will be more informative and constructive.
On the other hand, merit point should not be sold and this system must be regulated by the admin of this forum, otherwise, it will lose its quality for sure.

They should keep an eye on that selling of merit, we should not sell our merit because we earned that by our own hardwork.
If you sell.your merit, its just like you are helping all scammers to do their evil plan. We should not tolerate that.
This new system is being created for the development of the system so we just support it and do not do anything that is against it.

This merit based system is one the best innovation in this forum to stamp out shitposters, more so I am imploring the admins to closely monitor how merits is awarded so as make the system credible however  some unscrupulous members  might want to bend rules and messed up the system such a member should be sanctioned accordingly.

Ooh you use reverse psychology for gaining merit. Say something nice and get merit from people here. Very nice trick. In our school back in the day, you had to work hard to get merit, but this here seems like, just be nice, fake and people will +merit you. I wish I could de-merit you right now. Oh well, I do not run this forum.

What kind of people are you if you want to sell even merit for money, resourceful or greedy ?. But one thing I really sure in this world,"money can't change you, but money help you to see what you really are" ( deep awakening monster?) . Just adding idea from the other side, hope no one will offended.

It's hard but through this page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=xxxxxx we can figure out on who are those people abusing the merit system. If someone sends to an unfamiliar posts that isn't high quality and was given the maximum one, isn't that fishy?

Of course it must be not a sold its form of Crime ,the real merit purpose is to examine the quality of useful post right ,for newbie dont be discouraged if not get the merit and anyway this feature is very useful for manager and also staff to make it easier for them to assess poster someone ,I personally strongly agree it triggers me to make it better post so I can be useful to others

Yes, this system is introduced to maintain the posts quality n the forum and also the richness of the forum as there are many shit posters out there who are making this forum just a  place to earn money. This will make the form a better place to find knowledgeable peoples.

As many people are supporting this system we too should make a good approach to it and see that no one encourages the sales of this merits in the forum.

along with the increasingly rampant newbie account that makes a lot of people who just babble without understanding what the discussion is being discussed,
but maybe for some people this becomes a land to find additional money.
by selling the merit rations...

Merit system of course will hugely increase the quality of posts for merit is the only way to rank up.
As for paid merits, buying them away from this forum would be a hassle and as you need a lot of them from a lot of people.

Nothing can be done for such people who do not even understand what is the benefit or how beneficial it can be in long run if you use wisely and correctly. For smaller amount of money if they are doing this at the end when the admin would reconcile all this people would be banned and thus all their efforts will gets waste. Hopefully people will learn and would not commit any such mistake.

I am a bit surprised by the Merit system, but I get used to it over time, and if it is abused against the merit system, the rules of the forum may become stricter. For those who produce quality content, there has never been a problem, no more.

I hope that everyone could understand and follow this new merit system to be fair to all and to clean this forum up. But sadly there are still some people that don't follow the rules and cheat to gain profit. I believe that all implemented system are good and for the benefits of everyone here, but there is just some people who breaks it for their own sake.

what depends on merit?

What Op has stated as the last point adds value to the entire merit system that has come to effect with the hard effort of theymos. Merit system will ensure obedience among the users allowing them to improve the quality of posts. The merit one gains will make them stand away from common posters. Everything has got loophole, so making it functional with cent percent effective need to be prioritized.

Merit is an additional requirement in order to promote a rank of a user, it may be an additional burden to other user but for me it serves as inspiration and a high morale to a user because it is equivalent for a appreciation to your post.

Although merit is being bought and sold it will definitely increase the posting quality in Bitcointalk. A big portion of the users will need to work harder and these who deserve it will rank up, a minority will rank up due to purchasing merit and accounts, however the amount of garbage in the forum will diminish and people motivation will change which is the important.

Exactly, with in days we cannot judge how merit system is going to work. To get full information we have to wait for another 1 or 2 month to get answers for merit system.

The merit system has nothing to do with posts' quality, that is just a pretext.
It's only real ain is to keep away people like me from signature campaign.
Vip people don't like concurrence.

I couldn't agree more. May be the intentions are good, but the results are without any sense.
For example, I can't give you any merit. And I understand that - out of an elite of "gods" in the forum, even full or senior have a very limited number or merits to give. It's just a way to stop the growth of the beginners.

As a complete beginner, it seems to me that I have only a remote possibility to grow in this system.
I heard that there is the possibility to make promotion campaign just to earn something, but they are reserved to senior.
It seems to me very difficult to earn this kind of points. We'll see.

This system encourage each user to post a worthy one, if you are a quality poster then you dont have any problem to get merit because higher ranks tend to give their smerit to the good posters so they can rank up accordingly. Nowadays what others most concern about is to rank up fast (regardless of their post quality) hence they can join in campaign and this system is the answer to reduce the shitposts.

We must be responsible about this merit system because if you do sold your smerit, you will surely face huge consequence for that action. If you find it hard to get some merit then you must be creative because not everyone who post quality got some merit, some who got merits are comes from their skills to help people.

Can anyone here know how many merit can I use in one day?  or even based on your rank? Cause there's a lot of bitcoiner/message that I want to send merit because of good sense of post. Just giving merit to those who are worthy to have.

every person is responsible for every merit they have, no one knows for what they use it, in order to get the merit we are required to make a quality post so that people acknowledge and give merit to the post, but there are some irresponsible people who sell merit them for a few dollars, they do not care about the quality of posts they have, by buying they think it will be fast for the future they reach the desired rank, so there is no need for any achievements they do

Well definitely you have a point. After admin theymos make a solution for this dying forum , there are still a lot of people who continue to wreck this forum. Because they are choose to sell their merit rarher than giving it to the person who deserve it. But like what other always say' those who will be caught abusing the merit system will be punish.

The decision of adding the merit points as condition for members  to move up in ranks, is a great one. Now, only those who know, what to write and how to write will get what they deserve (better ranks). I believe that this new system truly distinguish those who have a good english from those with bad one. And this, will help our community evolve.

It is true that many may see this as an oppotunity to sell/buy merits, but i hope they won't do it. What moderateers are here for? i am sure they did put this into consideration when they thought of this new system. and i believe that they will find out and know whenever someone abuse the "merit points". That is why i think that the "good" members will be fine.

Let's just all believe in the people of our great community, and like you said, let's work our asses off.

You will not rank up anymore unless you'll get the right amount of merit for your ranking up to senior member which is 250. Activity isn't the only requirement you'll need to rank up so even you'll have 240 activity but you haven't reached 250 merit, you will remain full member.
That's fine that you'll give merit to those people who are worthy of it and you'll do it right. There are more tips found in this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0) thread.

Its purpose is not to limit you from entering a campaign because there are many other ways to do it like allowing you to rank up and then banning you or painting you red to make all of that time and effort go to waste. Merit was introduced to limit spam and account farming. When a shitposter finds himself waiting months just to get a member status he'll either start posting like a normal person or leave the forum.


You can't give merit to others because you haven't produced any content yet! If newbies could give each other merit spammers and farmers would make 100 new accounts just to level up 1 with merit. Why does every new user want to become recognized since day 1 and have all the privileges? Are you guys so detached from reality or is it greed speaking?

I already wrote in another topic for sale / purchase merit. The whole problem is the deficit of merit, so it becomes valuable and there are precedents for sell. When the merit will be more than necessary, then the process of rewarding quality posts will occur naturally (if there are many merits, then there will be many offers for sale and the price for sale will be so low that it will be uninteresting for sellers to risk and sell their measures for a pittance). This is a simple rule of supply and demand.

Now merit is important for account increase the rank and it help to entering the campaign. But merit was limit one. So you will safe to use and don't wast your merit.
If need to merit you improve your post quality. If no one send merit in your account your account rank is not increase. So if need to improve your account rank. Post quality is must.

I see some DT members are also simply sharing the merits each other for the shit posts. Now we see many newbies creates the shit threads in the bitcoin discussion, economics and speculation section. People simply making posts also sometime makes the decent post but the people who know about merits like the concern post. I am sure they will share that to them. No need to worry about it buddy.
As Theymos said, this will be considered as test check soon he will understand how it is going in the forum and reconsider with merit points for the each rank upgrade.

Actually im seeing this new merit system do have its advantage and disadvantages as well and im sure most of us is already aware on the things that are happening as of now. I do see some equality on this matter where only popular person would really have the chance or commonly get some merits. I have lurked this forum and even some good and informative post doesnt really been given a merit. Im sure it is really a good post but you are nobody on this forum where it is expected there would really be no merit for you.

Great thread for bring up the attention to everyone. It's a good start with the additional rating system. Still need more time to iron out the details.

I just want to add, merit can not be mocked just by a friendship or partnership, there may be some in this forum who have partners to manage campaigns or whatever. Keep behaving justly at all, there is no good reason to give a merit to a close friend or work partner, it's the same as selling a merit in my opinion.

I completely agree, the status should be deservedly received. If they had not introduced Merit, the forum would have turned into one big bounty company.

I do not know how about merit update.
Can anybody tell me how to see merit upgrade. I see my merit is 10 and no raise to higher.
Why is bitcointalk upgrading more merit, it only makes multiple acount clone support each other.
If update, I thinks better is using code 2FA

Merits are given to posts that are useful and constructive. Yup its hard to get a single merit but we need to work hard for it. We must improve our post/s and make sure that those are of high quality, and can give us additional information or new knowledge. Lets all be fair when it comes to this merit system. Its not all about ranking up, but what we can contribute to the world of digital currency.

Yes,I agree merits are really not for sale.
But why the people keep repeating the sane asnwers over and over.The implementation on merit system is to stop the spam posts but now people are spamming with merit system.

OP LOCK THIS THREAD TO STOP SPAM POSTS.

I completely agree, but I think it's okay than selling your merit. Cause selling merit, sound like buying the service of others to get your account famous for an instant. Instant is good but hard work is worth it and favorable on my own view.

This will how the forum runs from this day on, yeah there's still some who'll give merit to others that really have a good posts but the majority will just be a friendship merit.
I understand what the moderators are trying to do and it's good tho but the system won't run the way they wanted it to be.

Sorry but,I just observe this, having a merit points is not easy.Because as you can see, many of us ignore the merit system. Some bitcoiner make thread like this just to make some noise that "HEY, I HAVE A GOOD POST THAN OTHERS(its long paragraph) send me merit now" by providing their own link post. How cruel...

 Common mate anybody has different view of this new feature, and for you to know I am not promoting any of it here. I want to speak out loud to let people like us that we don't have to do buy and selling merits, even thou its easy or hard for any individuals.
 let us always remind ourself that we should show professional courtesy to ourselves and to others. 

It is not easy because people like you are not sending merits. You shouldn't ignore system.
Don't be jealous.

Yes we all know that selling merit is not prohibited by the administration.  You can get merits by constructing a very useful post and meaningful. Merit is the points given to you by the other users if you helped them by your post.

I don't know why people keep on whining or seems to be jealous among others post. Instead on minding others post better to mind your own on how you do accumulate merits.This would really be a test differentiating a good quality and a shit poster but it cant really be avoided that someone or people do abuse this system which we have seen already.

It's obvious, people look to rank up by getting the required Merit count, where they see how others are being awarded Merits for their posts, even if the post is indeed written for the sole purpose of receiving Merits, and how they themselves aren't getting anything. It's simple, people want to rank up to make their account be eligible for signature campaigns, and when they see others are doing better in that regard, it stings them. And yes, they should be minding their own business -- if people opening threads spend as much effort into getting their posts quality up, they would probably have earned a few Merits already....

I also dont like this merit system. There are disadvantages to it but as you have said, we need to abide by the rules and besides, there is not much we can do about it but obey. Anyway, maybe one day theymos will change his mind regarding this matter and i hope he will make some better changes on this.  :)

Yes, I think so, merit is not for sales I stopped Like this think as I know very difficult to get merit points but it's necessary to legality for Bitcoin Forum. this way is very important for all, merit system will probit good result for hard working and no way for the shortcut. I think it's very bad to think merit selling and buying maybe some people will choose it but it's not the right way. finally, I am happy with the merit system.

If you see someone spamming you could just press the "report to moderator" to submit those posts that made you think it's spam and add a comment saying the post is a repeated/paraphrased answer so the mods could quickly understand. If OP lock the thread then other users including newbies won't see the thread anymore.  

If the merits gave a negative impact on the forum maybe he would but for now it's unlikely that he'll make some changes to the merit system.

how to get merit?

Rewarding merits to insubstantial posts or rewarding for the reason for friend or anything else must be a breach of forum rules and which may lead to get negged. We need to understand the true purpose of merit system and we must contribute up to the level we can for fighting against spamming.

Just write quality posts. As simple as 123...

I felt sad regarding this issue, the purpose of merit is to improved ourselves to give quality post. Selling merit is not helping' you just torelating them not to improved themselves, it is a part of the rule so we need to follow.

But that's not always the case that people do easily get merits even on good post made by them they aren't still getting some merit which it would really be hard on ranking it up. Somehow I do think off that if you are a person which don't have any friends or not quiet popular then it would really be a disadvantage for you but yet there are still people would really recognize your good post.

It's all beautiful and clear that selling "Merit" can not be, it's bad and not decent etc.
But I think that after the introduction of the initial points "Merit", it was not entirely justified. For example, they do not need for Legendar accounts (they have nowhere else to develop their rank) and I'm afraid they will distribute glasses to their friends and acquaintances (I'm not saying it's just my preference).

They should still get sMerit points but I think it would make more sense if lower status got more than a couple. I for instance got 4 yet my merit ranking was 100, I felt like I should have had anywhere from 10-25 would be more appropriate. Would have gotten the ball rolling so to speak, now I feel people are more stingy with their sMerits which is their right but doesn't help the community feel and vibe.

Just report those people who are selling their sMerits and they shouldn't be tolerated and when you found one you are contributing to the forum.
Write posts that has sense and has quality.

Yes merit is not for sale. Merit is the points given to you if your post is useful and constructive. Selling merit is not prohibited, buyers of merits are just wasting you're money. You can get merit by just constructing a very useful topic.

If i have insight too sir who abused merit system i immediate report to the DT members, those abusers may not exist here on this forum they are cheated the rules given by admin, they are not fair to others it's a kind of selfish and yes they shouldn't be tolerated that they not obey the new rules.

Selling of smerit is useful if you did not posted a quality post at that case you may demerit by admins.
Not necessary to buy smerit it is a big challenge on us just to have a quality post even though we are on delayed ranking system but hopefully we reached the required amount smerit to rank.

NO matter for how good reason a plan is implemented there is some people who always find a way to crack down a way which totally ruins the reason of the new system. And sadly there are already some people selling and buying merits what I have heard or there are people who are trading merits irrespective of post qualities.

The sad thing is almost people whom are selling Merits are high member rank Sr. Member and above cause the amount Merit they can give to other member is very large. It took a really long time to reach to Sr. Member, Hero Member or Legendary, these members have joined this forum for years but they just always wanna take advantage of this forum, they don't really care how to make this forum become better than before. Feel really bad about this. Beside I think it'll be really hard to stop buying and selling Merit cause I think they will use other way to contact instead of making any topic in this forum anymore.

OMG!!! i felt sad with these people who dont wanna work hard and upgrade their knowledge, they just want to get merit by buying, and the person who sell merit is also so idiot people, just wanna make money by make people stupid. i believe a person or people who make this forum, have a mission on this forum and the mission is to share knowledge about Cryptocurrency and people who join on this forum can give their ideas or opinion how to make crypto world growth. Not use this forum to make money by fooling people

The merit system seriously pushes you to make a quality posts. Seriously everyone spends time in reading, analyzing and replying to the thread with accurate information. I personally, subscribed to many crypto news channels to gather up to date news on crypto currencies and blockchain. This helps me contribute a quality posts that would help the newbies and others who starve for data around crypto currencies.

I think we just follow what has become this Bitcointalk rule. I myself feel difficult when I can not merit, but it did not break my spirits, in fact I am more excited again with this bitcointalk and I hope it will also happen for the members who have not got merit. And for the newcomers this is your peer challenge here also in our patience test. The important thing remains the spirit and Take the positive course

I agree that a lot of messages began to appear in the last time, which are repeated and do not carry new information. However, these new rules are not finalized in my opinion. To get Merit in principle is not realistic. You become a hostage to people with high rank.
1. You help advice to a newbie. And you do not get Merit, because a newbie can not give it to you.
2. You write news on the forum, which is important, fresh. Published 2 minutes ago. This post flies to 20 page in 5 minutes. Since in the heap "what should I buy for $ 5?", "How to make x100?" the normal topic is simply lost. And you do not get Merit.
3. There must be an automatic mechanism for obtaining Merit. Since in this form, as it is now - this is a totalitarian regime with elements of pressure.
I'm not against innovations. But I do not want to depend only on the likes of high ranks. At least half of Merit can be charged by the forum system if the messages meet certain criteria.

Having a constructive and useful topics can get merit. Merit is the point given to you if  your post become useful or meaningful. Yes merit is not for sale! Merit system is the best idea to minimize shit posts. Selling merit is not prohibited by the administration. For those who are buying merit you are just wasting your money try to manipulate a useful posts so that you'll be merited.

With these words you do really deserve some merit. Patience and following the rules would be always the key in which things would happen along the way. Earning merits would really be hard this is why we do really make some effort on our postings not a total crap so that higher members or the community would recognize on how good it is.Youll earn on what you deserve.

Well i hope all are fair about this feauture i have a merit to all the post have a sense and quality post are giving a merit because its wonderful or excellence post so why merit are not selling as you can see merit is example to correct and wonderfulling your answer to have a merit, so we need to hardworking to our own asses

If doing so, it means trying to escape from responsibility, theymos entrusted to be given properly. not pressured by paying some coins. it has violated the rules of this forum.

Or maybe you should question why it is that merit points are so important to you.  I'm thinking that if you're so concerned about getting (or NOT getting) merits, you're on the forum for the wrong reasons.   

I didn't come here to join a sig campaign in 2015.  I was a lurker for about a year, just enjoying the drama and watching people scam each other and so forth.  This forum always had something interesting going on, and when I finally created an account, I still did more reading than posting.  The posting I did was for my edification, and I didn't join a sig campaign until about 9 months in, if I recall correctly.

Nowadays you've got word spreading all around Asia that there's this great forum where you can get paid to post, and no experience or skill is required.....except that's changed now.  The merit system has upped the requirements significantly, and it's a beautiful thing.

I wouldn't give a single merit point for the above post, because it's babbling in lousy English.  People who can't speak the language are going to have a very tough time advancing here, and that's exactly how it should be.  Shitposters BE GONE.

Grateful that has long played here because it may merit in can be automated because of the system. for those of us who are new it is very difficult, it is good writing more quality. But maybe it can also be misused, for example because id one with the other know each other then he can give a merit when postnya seem ordinary. Will that give merit to another Id, merit itself will decrease?

I also hope this newly added merit system will enhance quality in this platform, but I think this system should be modified and added more features regarding the increase the quality of this Bitcointalk forum. if you are able to give a merit point to your own post then how can you trust this merit system? So this system should be more constructive in order to carry the importance of this initiative.

Selling/buying merit is against the rule, this features created to enhance our posting and make responsible in every post we made. Also dont even beg for merit it will be given to you if you follow the main reason why this merit was implemented, we should need to made constructive, quality and meaningful post to help the community.

hello all,i'm newbie then i want asking about merit,i hope someone can explain me! ,how to use it, is it very influential and what's impact given to us when have lot's or little merit
thanks

Merit is not for sell. It important for your account and your post. Merit is put like for your post. So you will improver your post quality. Merit is the important for your account rank. If post will be improver but rank not improve. If need to improve you improve you post quality. If post is quality of your post people will be put merits in your post. Then improve you rank.
So improve your post quality.

Hi all!
What Merit is?
Where can I find some info on it?

Thank you very much for your frank communication with me. In fact, not so many people on the forum who are not angry with the whole world. They perceive everything very critically and with great anger and uncompromising. It's nice to read your usual reflections and your view of this situation. I also mostly read the forum, sometimes I do not even login the system, I just read interesting messages. But the last time there are not so many. I agree with you that Merit is not the main thing, and the money earned on crypto currency is not the main too. The main thing that we can give to our relatives and children, this is well-being (including money) and knowledge that we own (knowledge in the world of crypto currency too).

Truly. Some find this as an opportunity to earn and do business with those in the forum who are Newbie and Jr Member like me. So far, I do not receive any proposal from those of higher ranks selling their merits to me since i do not have a merit yet. This is a challenge for me, to read, learn, study, acquire knowledge from this forum in order to post informative, useful and quality posts. I take this newly established system for ranking as a challenge.

There is no doubt that the rules of the forum have been neglected for the personal gains, but here I want to say that selection of merit will always have some intangibles and people around the globe will always exploit these intangibles to get the benefits from the system. If people on this forum are not sincere while granting the merit, then computer will never be able to do it.

which I have captured in this new law, it may be a trap for those who have an account,
because it is in the make sure they will give merit to their own account.
and if it is detected by the system in this forum some people will be banned to join again in this forum.
I think this is the best way to prescribe a merit system for people who cheat.

It is not impossible but what i saw not all who tried to cheat will be caught for some reasons even buying merit is going to the social media which is totally useless because if their post quality is not deserves a merit. Going to another point that merit system was being abuse by some who escapes the judgement of being caught this needs only some improvement and i know theymos will going to make it more useful for both cheaters and good quality posters.

The best clue to detect the abuse on merit system is by checking on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

Simple like this..
If we noticed that A person always give merit to B person , that would be the first hint.  - Frequency
Second would be if A person give a merit to B person's post even though it is a sh*t post - Quality
Lastly, if A person give an instant 50 merit on B person's post - Quantity

Can someone explain me how this topic is constructive? Can someone explain me quality of this topic? How OP got so many merits just from this one thread?
How time is passing I doubt that this merit's will improve anything, it can stop people from getting to higher ranks but this can't be a good thing generally.
I would like to hear some explanations, but I doubt that I will get some 'quality answers' cause it's impossible. Merits will be the tool for manipulation on this forum, just chosen ones will advance and who will be this chosen ones depends from who is better friend with admins or who ever have sMerits.

I am agree with comment above. Do not think that I'm going crazy about Merits cause of I still have none after fixed ones which I got automatically on 25th January. The OP is so simple and obvious that I wonder, will it be so simple to get a lot of Merits for creating a topic on Bitcoin discussion board with the main idea like "let's talk on this board only about bitcoin, but nothing else"?

I agree .. I think naturally better without cheating and I do not feel jealous or jealous of seeing people get more merit by cheating way, I just do my job posting according to the rules that have been listed. Doing a good job is more valuable without cheating just wanting to get something to look good.

With this new system it is hard to rank up because of a big g community bitcoin forum has. Fortunately it is good to have this kind of system to have a better qualily of post that are informative and helpful to others. Some people will probably already though of buying and selling of merit because it is really hard to get one. But for me o just contue posting and hoping i will get merit points.

Better to have no merit at all than on looking good by means of cheating which isnt really right at all and i would prefer to be fair atleast you would able to know that you arent good enough to get some merits but atleast you can get it on a fair way. Cheaters cant be avoided as long they do know that they will benefited on cheating they would do that no matter what happens.

I agree that this new system is far from perfect and hope it will be upgraded.

I understantd that it motivates to write meaningful and useful post, but if the main problem of the forum (as I see) is too much completely useless posts (like: joined fb bounty, nice project...) and repeating topics, so merit is not solving it...

Another side, enough merits to share them have only high ranked guys like legendary, and I can't imagine how could I surprise them or give a new information to get some merit. And I understand that selling merit is much more profitable than just giving it for random people;)

And the last thing is that account s near legendary became really precious also for selling.

To conclude, I hope this system will grow to something usefull, fair for everybody and solve forum problems...

You are just talking about selling out accounts and selling out merits.I do agree that these things are valuable ones but its not really tolerated and you will only get  red paint if you are being caught on doing such activity. This system is fair but the thing you said about catching up higher rank members attention would be really hard yet those people do already have almost the knowledge into things. Getting merit is really hard this is why you do really need to impress someone or the community.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0


Merit is the new way system created by theymos to prevent the easy rank up of members.

Sell of merit is just a presumption. But it could be if the users abuse the use of sMerit.

Of course this certainly already happens, there are many people who're clever/take utilize of this system, and not just buying and selling "merit" only.. I'm sure there are many other activities to get a "merit", although the quality posts is not necessarily it's a good quality posts.
Well, which obviously I'm not involved with any of it, this definitely refers to a lot of people to get a "merit" due it's a prerequisite to raising the rank.
But however I believe, this system is very well aimed to be created.

Instead of buying or selling a merit, it's better to practice improving your posts so you can gain merits in the future. Acquiring merits through quality posts is a sign that you are really not just want to make profits in this forum but also to contribute for improving the standard of posting to a higher level.

Don't bother about the merit system because mostly bounty managers are getting most merits from the people who are happy with them. Even i am also not bothering about the merit system and I follow according to rules they mentioned about posting.

I heard with my collueges that there are a lot of bitcoin personnel selling there merits. It is not easy to level up our ranks if we don't buy merits. Hoping that higher rank member will share there merits without getting any profit.

It should be something you should work hard for, not something that you can buy easily. User's who have many of it shouldn't sell it because there are also users who are doing their best to earn it, it should be like what that are doing.

perhaps because it's only just started, some people are not too familiar with merit. so it's very difficult to get merit even if posting with good quality. because most people think not too important also give them merit. so in the future I hope it works accordingly. if someone post with a good quality then appreciate it by giving merit. not just commenting and just leaving. thank you

I think this is great for reducing the number of users. and requires the struggle for users to increase their quality and rank. but this is one of the highlights, so the reward can be right to the users of good quality posts

I have nothing against this new system, quite opposite I think it's good way to protect this forum from spammers. However, I have many things I need to take care of on a daily basis, and I sometimes have an hour only to spend here, in which due to various restrictions I can barely even start a proper discussion. I understand It's impossible to do any vetting to know who's a spammer and who wants to give value to the forum, but as a new member I will need to spend a huge amount of time until I am even able to give any contribution.

But either way, even though I wish I was more active in the past, or that I could be allowed to post more frequently, I'm totally against selling merit, since it defeats the purpose.

A lot of you speaks about fighting with spammers and I can't understand how this system do it)
I agree that improving quality of posts is important, but we will not have less useless topics that make good themes to go from the second page and lose attention...
And one more thing is that you need too much merit to level up and very a little of smerit to give to others...
PS I don't want to buy/sell anything related to this awesome forum)

Many of the advantages of buying and selling are secret, and some people may take shortcuts.

There are always some people who find a way to break down the cause of the new system.

This is a sure thing even no matter how we do keep an eye on to those who sell off merits publicly but we cant really avoid the thing that there are people who do have hidden agenda selling out their merits for the sake of money or just purely farming it up with their own accounts.We are still on early phase of our new merit system and there are still lots of space to improve this thing if there are flaws regarding this one.

Selling merit for me is not a good way to sell it. This should be give for the member who deserves to receive a merit because of constructive and quality post. Though there is no rules for the member where selling merit is not allowable. Perhaps if they will release a new rules where selling merits is prohibited.

I like the idea of the merit system but it is putting hero and legendary accounts in a strong position that they did not work for the same way as younger members. I am totally annoyed when I look at my current bounty campaign. Some hero/legendary jumping in late will get more stakes than me with only participating short time and I can clearly see when those accounts got purchased either by change in language or long gap in usage.

For the merit system to work I feel there has to be more clarity to members that they dont lose anything giving merit for posts they like. Also a small incentive would be good like for 5 merit you give someone you get 0.5 yourself or something in that style. If members are supposed to do quality control there has to be some reward.

Currently there is only an incentive to go to specific talks where potential merit donators hang out to get some from those. There is not point yet to add quality content. I put at least some effort in my posts and did not get single merit point so far so the merit system right now for me a pain in the ass as I was hoping to make it senior member at some stage and now I also have to worry about that merit thing.

I agree to you, but sadly many of them the merit will become the buy and sell. Many of us I think has a truly and surely answer in the forum but they not given a Merit. So they think it's better to buy than torturing their self to think a better answer.

I really hope the good members here will get the help they deserve.

The advantage system is a good thing, at least we know that developers still care about the best members here.

Buying merit is one way of cheating in my opinion, whereas in the buyer's account there is no quality post at all that there is only spam. It would be the envy of the members of the forum who have been trying hard to make a good post. Until now I have not got merit. Hopefully quickly given a redtrust.

I have no idea to buy merit, even I've get no one. I'm trying to post something good, help and give support  anyone in any thread, etc. For me, merit is a bonus for the the best can we did. It is a given. And honestly, I have no money to buy it.  ;D

There is no sense in buying merits, because it's not to rank up the aim of this forum.
But some people make a living just earning little money from campaigns, so for them it's important to have merit, and probably they will buy them,.

This is actually should happen with the new merit system, its not for sale.
But many member just use this new feature to gain much money. The only member who get merit is member who allow to pay it.

You speak my mind and pointed out exactly what also frustrates me with this new system. You also made a good suggestion regarding the improvement of the current adoption. Unfortunately no one seemingly took any notice, let alone dropping you some merit. Regarding your own status, you received 1 merit from me for another good post earlier, not much to get anywhere close to rank up, but I don't have much myself despite being in the forum since almost half a year and trying to write informative posts. Needless to say I did not receive a single merit myself...it's quite depressing but nothing we can do

No one will help you aside from yourself, people will give merit if they think you deserve it. For me just do your best, don’t focus much on ranking up because at that level you can still know better. You will got red trust if the DT members saw you selling or trading some merits, better to follow the process and enjoy later.

as it says everywhere there are people who want to get their benefits, those who sell as well as those who buy verit harm to our community.It is necessary to make it quality and spam and they do not understand the meaning of merit and want to get around this barrier and buy it, although it is better for them to be writing more reasonable articles and posts!and how long will they do it? over time, here only quality content and purchase will not give them anything of merit!

This is not correct.
Merit won't reduce number of users but it will reduce number of accounts. It is a big difference.

but the reality is some member who can actually ranks up but can't because of merit system. nobody want to give them merit because don't know the person, they just want to give merit to their relatives or friends. hence the good member who is actually build good post don't have merit. it's a reality, you can't just say good post=merit.

Account creation will really already have the limitation specially on farming but it doesnt really limit the number of users that would tend to register throughout the site.Its just still the same but now it would be more strictier and would be more harder compared before. Good post quality do already matters because if you dont do such thing you will not even ranked up.This is why abuse and merit selling  do really happens as of now.

Sadly, that is also my observation. It is called social dynamics, if you are not in certain peoples circles it seems almost impossible to get recognized. It is similiar with other types of social media. If you study what prompts people to like posts on facebook for example, it has rarely to do with the quality of posts but rather how close people are to the individual who shares something. You surely noticed that there is a group of people that seem to hit the like button on almost everything you post on facebook or twitter while a large majority never seem to notice.

I am afraid the merit system is going to tap into that same kind of social dynamics...time will tell if I am right on this

Merit points is good in other side. But hopefully, their will a person or people which monitor the quality of every post so that everyone have a chance to have merits. Everyone wants merit points and to rank-up their position. And, maybe the admin, should also consider the years of membership in category of ranking-up.

merit is a reward for quality posts if it is sold the bonus system is being abused but this will not happen long. The system will detect it immediately

This is really true, everyone here in Bitcointalk must work their asses out and strive to be a better member every now and then. The merit system might be a bit unfair especially to those that are just starting out in here but it does really have some benefits; thru this Merit system moderators are able to weed out or even discourage those junk posers and clean up those who mess with the forums. Selling merits shouldn't be tolerated at all and if proven guilty, ones account must be banned. If we just cheat then there is no point in helping each other out and sharing our thoughts. Please stay away from these kind of activities.

I really agree. I as a newbie still learn a lot how to get merit without having to buy it.

Oh if it is really happening the buying of merits, It would be unfair to those who seriously follow the new rules implemented, though it sounds tough especially to the beginners like me because it seems we have no more chance to rank up because of too much high merit required inorder to move the rank, but then we need to understand also that it is part of improving everyone’s post to be more constructive, so we have to be truthful of strictly no selling merits towards one another, still honesty is the best policy.

Why don't everybody who are begging and buying merits will consider Merit System as a challenge for themselves?
Can't they just do a better and constructive post for them to earn merit/s?
It's just so dishonest way of earning merit/s if they buy or beg for it.

well i think it is unavoidable for the people who wants to earn money even if it is low quality post they give merit as they get money from it

As far as I know there's some people here that's authorize and monitor the one's who have a good quality constructive posts. Theymos give them smerit that's more than their rank.
Begging for merit is the most pathetic thing that a person can do here. They're just like don't have the guts and confidence in the way they construct their posts. And those who beg for merits should put a negative trust so they will know what's the rules are.

there are people whose selling and buying points, if i will tell most seller will be legendary as they have the most number of smerit,
but thanks to the IDEA of theymos that every account can merit another account (one name-one account) have a limit of 50 merits per month.

If the admin really wants every post or most of it are quality, it should start with BOUNTY (signature campaign)
If a campaign manager will implement a 3-5 post a week that must be 500 letters (at least) and must be constructive and have high quality, i think spammer and low-quality post will be gone or less.

Selling merit is not right, i believe that if you have been given it means that you have posted a quality and correct post or answer to a question in the forum, so if any body is selling merit it's a corruption

I totally agree. merit not to be traded. this is one of the advantages of this forum, and it becomes a challenge for new users like me to keep improving posts. regards

good, you have a positive thinking, when you feel challenged for new rules in this forum that require users to have a decent and good quality post, so that everyone can consume and digest well what you want to say here

hopefully you can become a good quality posters

I agree with this, and I'd probably give you a point if I had any sMerits to give. 

The issue is that these shitposters who get referred here by friends don't want a challenge;  they want to start earning money as soon as possible--they have no interest in writing good posts, reading, or anything except for squeezing out as many shitposts as they can in the shortest time possible.  Hence they see the merit system solely as a barrier to entry.   

And I say fuck 'em all.

That's true, this new system of merit points is very good for the forums, It's not for trade, Anyone who trades merit points should be punished by getting a negative trust or permabanned. Honestly, This is an awesome challenge for everyone to improve their quality posts. I am sure, that the forum will be cleaner after a few months, spammers and shit posters will quit the forum soon.

Hoping that the supply of merit is enough and able you to rank up in the future. Cause as I see, (respectful)Admin theymos is one of the top bitcointalk user that have a lot of merit received ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=35 ), even he doesn't need it. How about those who are worthy of smerit that we see in different thread or forum, but unfortunately I don't have any smerit to send cause I sent my smerit to others and it's too limited. What do you think?

okay I will understand this and I will follow this so the service in buying it is totally wrong and the right appreciation for our contribution and build a constructive and excellent quality I understand this. so we get merit

merit sell omg its a marketplace ? its not fair i think do the best post and claim some merit normaly its best way

Yes, it is corruption and more of an ethical discourtesy to the fellow colleagues, because merit must be given to the posts which have some quality information in it.

Many of newbies on daily basis come on this forum and ask for certain questions but if they wont get the good advices and way forward, soon they will be dishearten and there will be no fun in joining this platform, so in my opinion, lets make it strictly professional as we might end up using information from this site.

Even if I'm not a merit, I just do not think it's worth your merchant account so merit is not available for sale, Many of newbies on daily basis come on this forum and ask for certain questions but if they wont get the good advices and way forward,

It is not making any sign towards investment of people as much as I know it is the time of rise in price so it is best for them not to sell at panic price. In my place people are buying bitcoin then they use to hold so it is the main reason why the number of beggar in my country is gradually decreasing as they got the effective way of earning they can make their own money and no one will call them beggar again, so it is good to decrease the selling to see high price in bitcoin.

they just want to increase their rank at least until they become members, they do not have the opportunity to become full members who need a lot of merit, then as long as the brand have a chance then they will keep trying though begging

I agree with you that merit is not for sale, merit is given to someone who really deserves, many people who do merit sales and they end up with the trust from the seniors

This merit system is hopeless. They only made upper level profil's value much higher for buyers. I am not a buyer but in here every legendary person has a lot of sub accounts and triying to sell them. 

This would be hopeless for those people who do farm account because they cant able to make a living already on selling out accounts.This is the best solution and for those shitposters and farmers are the ones who do mainly complain into this new merit system since they can able to make the things which they have done before on making easy money with just selling accounts.There days of making easy money is over.

Most likely you can see that merit sale in local boards, those members are trying to earn and helps the scammers or spammers to ranked up easily even they know it is against in the new rule of this forum. Hoping no one will take advantage of doing this because merit was created to force members to post more quality and knowledgeable comments in this forum.

Merit system will help everyone to write a better quality of the post which will be merited by people who like them your advice, suggestion, facts etc which you will be posting it. This will help those who are better than the others and thus it will not be easy for everybody to rise from here in the ranking system.

Hello good day ! If you don't concern about this can you give some thread that newbie and jr.member only can post  and report badly for merited thing that you can allow to be report for such a wonderful and quality post? And the only can access or check and comment are those moderators just like theymos or others moderators here, I think it may help all newbie and jr.member to pursue some goals in merit thing.
I am just sharing some thoughts how to make an attention of all newbie and jr.member here in this forum. Thanks hope it can give some idea about this or if is not I want to know some comments here.
PM: I don't want to open new topic because I am newbie and recently joined. And I don't think this is the right to be commented on this give some advice. Many bashers will come at me.

 There are always talks about this on this platform that someone is selling the merit or exchanging it with the trust or any other return of the favour. These merit activities were started because a lot of people joined this platform and it was getting difficult to segregate and read the good posts. These activities must be taken seriously as they were started to increase the standard of the post so that the people can get the better information about the currency in lower possible time.

Folks, you are truly can't get merit on that line "Even if I'm not a merit", just be careful on every sentence you made in every forum. Good luck folks!

This merit system is indeed the best thing to do especially for the ones who are putting in their bets of efforts as they can get acknowledgement from others and can also get a chance of having extra money. However, no one can either sell or buy it as this is not something which can be bought. This will be injustice with the person from whom you are buying this as this is not your personal efforts.

it's really a merit made to look for people who really deserve to ride rank, it's useless to buy merit because it will only get you a trust from moderate if your post is not constructive

I agree that there should be Merit. however I think I should change a bit in the give and take Merit so that it is simpler. Increase the number of Merit needed to rank, and have more Merit to give.Basically, it's still the same now, but I think when the value of a Merit less than, people will get more and more. More will need more quality articles instead of spam

Actually, merit has only stopped account farming and not really spam. Since people can still post shit regardless of whether they expect merit or not. It's still the same forum, but slowly removing the power of farmers to create new accounts for profit.

At least there's a progress and upgrade for the forum. It's still quite early to see some deep results but it shows that it is effective.

It's against the forum rules and you are doing it wrong when you try to buy merit. It's the same thing of buying trust rating of others here.

You won't get a trust or merit if your post are not constructive or maybe you mean negative trust?

Right dont buy merit, you need to work for it and dont get in easiest way also if you caught in the act buying merit your account will be tagged. I think we all know what is the purpose of this new feature we need to create more constructive and contribute more to help the community.

I think, selling merit isn't fair. Because Merit indicates the quality of any post.

Merit indeed is not for sale, but I'm sure there are still many users who trade it in secret. This will happen even if there is a rule that prohibits it. So far I see merit is a very important part, so some people will continue to trade it.

Actually, it is not against forum rules, but it is wrong thing to do.
Work for merit? And I thought I've heard it all  ::)
Don't worry, they don't have unlimited smerit, eventually they will run out of it.

Yes you are right, I forgot about that. sMerit will run out because the user who get 1 merit = 0.5 sMerit, so to get 1 sMerit requires 2 merit. If so, this merit system will not last long, correct?

merit is an appreciation for every person who makes the thread constructively and qualitatively, so if anyone sells the merit is breaking the rules and has gone out of purpose making the merit itself ...
So for everyone do not try to sell it because if caught selling merit will get punishment from this forum moderator.

I hope the mirit feature is abolished .. because to continue the level is very difficult.

Having merit is a fruit of work labor it means it must not be sell to anyone. But let's consider the people who wants to sell their merit may be they need money badly.

I agree! Merit is for the people who have quality post and do the effort and not for people who just comment anything and having merit. Giving merit for the quality post must be applied and selling merit must be observe strictly.

I am from India and not expert in making quality posts what every one mentioned but I believe that my replies can convey and convince the matter to the readers and I don't know how and in what scale our posts can be evaluated that make me confused so still not understand about merit lets wait how it works and what are the difficulties member will face because of this. What I understand is it is not easy to sell and buy merit.

we already feel the advantage and disadvantage of these merrits. but despite that , i will say that merrits is quite useful or rather important for the sake of post quality and forum cleanliness. merrits should not also for sale rather we should only earn it with hard work because that is more pleasurable if you work hard for that certain thing. you should not worry if your post dont deserve a merrit but as long as you know that your post are informative and somewhat helpful.

Yes it is, they have multiple accounts to send each other. They are using their high rank account to send merits for their own sake that's why many of the low rankings doesn't have a merits event it is a quality poster.

We all hope so too, but there are always people who take advantage of the situation. I hope the moderators anticipate the things that are not in want. good luck always. cheers

And I really hope this thread is on every board.
Some lazy will not know this. Some time ago there were people who openly wanted some $ per sMerit, and red paint started coloring his profile.

I heard a lot of rumors for people selling their merits in order to earn some coin or bitcoin point for themselves, other are just exchanging them with some friends, since it is truly hard about earning this points, especially those who want to rank up, since there is no option three to earn them.

No.
Read this thread Merit & new rank requirements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0) I believe you will find all answers there  ;)

Exchanging of merits still leads them getting tagged with negative ratings. I've seen it so even I really want to rank up to Senior, it's futile. Ialready accepted the fact that ranking up now is only applicable to newbie and jr.

Yes of course merit should not be sold or buy due to the rules. People who are found doing such should face the punishment.
Looking at it in the normal way merit are not easily given to people because the rate at which people get merit then is actually different from now. Also I think not all people knows how to give out merit.
At least have had different experience when we talk about Bounties campaign people with high rank are paid more.... But I believed that most people with high rank are the people who are into crypto then.
Pardon the way I talk am not supporting buying and selling merit am only given reasons why they are into it.
What about people selling their account for money is it also right... Because I believed some people have more than different account... And some of them are for selling and buying purpose .... So don't you think it can also triggers the rate at which people are buying and selling merit.

No doubt on the near future this will be updated and there would be no more buy and sell merit , but then again lot's of newbies or the new comers thinking that merit is a big hindrance , but then again instead of thinking that it's a hindrance make it as a motivation though.

I hope this abuse will prevented though.

It is difficult to find a merit especially when you do not know that you are using the bitcoin forum, even though the Member's rank is very difficult when no one has merit, the merit does not buy. hopefully restore the previous bitcoin forum without merit.

That is true that we should work on our own to provide a quality work that was expected to us by the bounty managers, moderators and admins not just to make spam posts everyday to make an income. Some people think that doing bounties is just a easy walk in the park and they will earn with less effort, but in reality you still need to provide a quality work, yes this freelance job may be easier then most jobs out there but it is not an excuse to not provide quality content and not just ask the same questions again and again to the point that they are just spamming posts. Members should learn and earn in their journey here in this forum.

Abusers cannot be prevented, but they can be contained. Merit abusers are usually easy to be spotted, as they suspiciously give their smerits to a common person only. I found a lot of abusers around this community and I hope they will be paying the consequence from cheating. There are a lot threads in meta section that reports all the merit abusers. Dont hesitate to report suspicious accounts that potentialy abusing the merit system.

selling merit is not fair. The person who sells and buy merit is a very selfish person. You're right, people like this has to be punished by the moderators for them to learn their lessons. Many people here in the forum is trying their best to give good quality post to gain at least 1 or 2 merits. Everybody has to be fair and don't  do anything illegal just to rank up, if you get caught selling or buying merits it will be your lost and you will not have anymore opportunity to be in this forum.

Merit is really what i need,i have no idea for that merit is for sale. But in my own,i want to have it in the way of like a people who will appreciate on my post through my hardwok,but not through buying.

Of course, do not find me rude, but the useless function in the topics is measuring, since few people will want to give their measure to someone (((
Purely from these motives you can look in front of and see that few people will grow, from here there will be people who will want to buy it, and where there is demand there will be an offer ..

You can't prevent selling merit anyhow. Anyway, system is far from perfect, frequently I see people that got their merit from quite useless posts, and sometimes people who provide nice self-made content, but their topics/messages are just overlooked or belong to unpopular sections

It is very difficult to get merit points. Maybe I need to write more quality.

I agree that selling merit is abuse and it's not right. The sense of merit is to be given not sold. But this is human nature, they find how to make money out of everything without thinking is it right or wrong.
Sometimes people are just malicious and don't want to share something that is free, like merit is, but they want to make profit from it. But currently the way thy system of merit is functioning it can't be monitored or checked to prevent selling.

Haha every newbies and low rank guys want to get the merits to rank up faster. This merit system will not allow you to grow faster in the forum bro. Please do not go with normal section to make the posts. There normally people would not give merits bro.
When you able to assist anyone automatically you will be started getting merits. So do not worry about it at all.

Some people may ask you like pay the fund I will the merits to you. You need to avoid those kind of people because that is not at all tolerated in meriting system.

If need to growth for your account. Improve your post quality. If merit will be  increase. Your account rank will be improved. So you improve your post quality then people will be give the merit. Merit is like for your post. It will be not sell. So if need to improve your account. Fist you improve your post quality. It help to for your future growth.

What is the point of getting merits when you dont actually contribute anything to the community. I mean, admins cannot do anything about selling these because they cannot detect it with artificial intelligence.
I think the best way to get merits is to improve our posts, show some efforts, guys!!

Point is higher rank, higher rank earn more in signature campaign, point is making money.
I respect op and his post, but we can't do anything about it. Accounts are not for sale too, but its happening everyday. People who trade with accounts and merits are doing that on other place, that's why it's hard to catch them. In meta section you can find many threads about people who do that and how they do that. I'm not so active there, but from time to time I like to read what is happening, its good to be informed in this times about everything.

I understand that merit is an award given to members for making posts of above average quality. But I hope everybody is given a fair share when it comes to decision of evaluating what are above average posts should be.

Ya exactly I mean, we can get merit from the quality of ourselves post, if the others things that your post was helpful, meaningful and have it own knowledge people will give you tho. Imagine if you buy some merit but you don't have those skill to make a good quality post it same mean nothing.

Don't worry about merit, focussed on how to construct your post and making it informational or unique ideas that you thought might be helpful to others, doing that will earn you merit.

Merit RULES should really be stated here:
Currently it is quite vague.
https://i.imgur.com/O89qGaz.png

Merit is created and a new rule in this forum for us members to be more creative, imaginative, and be more logical and informative when it comes to posting a comments in every thread. We have to work hard for it even if it takes months or more for us members to recieve one merit. We have to be fair for everybody and for ourselves as well. Merit is not sale, we have to work hard for it.

Do you buy the merit? it's hard to get merit because it's just about giving a merit, it's hard to find a merit because no one gives it, even though members are no longer able to do new bitcoin forums.

I don’t think so that you will find anyone who will sell you his own merit. There is no way that you can get the merit and that too not by putting in your efforts but using your money. If you really want to get the merit, then you must put in the best of your efforts and that you must be sure that you are not doing any kind of illegal activity to get the thing which don’t even belong to you.

Quite educative post for sometime i was thinking that it was for sale because of the way people hawk it but now i know better

Even if they insist on doing those, just a few years and then they will have no source where they can get merits that they needed because it is all used up. These buyer sand sellers of merits are still the one who will lose and give up in the end.

In any case, everyone decides for himself

maybe they are doing such thing because they are newbie like me.(buying merit is cheating for me) it is really a hard time for us newbies to gain merits because we are still on the stage of learning things so we do not have enough infos or new learnings that we can share to everybody. maybe thats the reason

yes, I agree with you I would like to have more merit but I do not think anyone would sell to me or I wouldn't begg someone, because I am and will study about cryp, I will post quality articles, make contributions For this forum I believe I will soon have many merit

i just get one merit since this new system of merit.. seems i will rank up after many years :D

Getting merit is very tough as of now as I see sMerit is in scarcity now. Sending merit to the other people who really deserves merit but you yourself doesn't receive anything feels like very unfair. Well, by this kind of stuff theymos created is indeed useful, we would see a more quality post nowadays unlike wayback before ranking up is easy even if you post something out of content or what we call shitpost. People who are really eager to get promoted will probably will work harder than they usually do.

I dont see the scarcity that you mentioned unless if theres no merit source then it would really be hard to level up but the merit system is already being organized and works do completely fine. Smerits are there but people doesnt really tend to give out into those good quality posters but rather do store it up on theirselves and now sharing out to public. Dont get upset if you sent out smerit and not receiving back. This would be the main challenge if you dont post good enough dont expect for recognition.

I'm learning to work my ass off like you said to earn merits but I'll be losing if I told you I'm not scared if the process would be abused. We are humans and sometimes slave to our emotions, even with quality posts you might still get overlooked. I have seen lot of people here with required number of activities but only merit stopping them from ranking up. I bid luck to be on my side though, I'm just starting out.

Merit is not what you buy or sell, it's a reward given by those in higher ranks, to those who shares unique ideas, information, or for a good quality post worth deserving merit.

Yes, the Merit is not for sale but it is a reward for everyone who are rewarded as a good members , active for participate in bitcoins forum, good performance and worthy in the sight of the modirator, they will be happy and share there merit to anyone if anyone are worthy to them. the merit is free for does have a points an reward.

You’re right it is not easy to make merit and it is not for granted as those who want to increase merit will have to work for it bit still they can get merit points it is all about making quality post, to be hones every one spend time here making knowledge and replying to the threats with correct information which will e helpful for the new users so this way merit will have to earn it is not for granted.\

Merit is not buy and sell. Merit is like in your post. So you will improve your post quality for the great merit. If not, get merit your account rank won't increase. So you will improve your post then you get a merit. People will be like your post, then people will be sending the merit your account, Then account rank also increase. People know the marination before using. If need information who will send your account, check your profile the check the merit link. Then you will get some information.

Merit system is a good concept to appreciate the good and quality post and should NOT be influence of those people who wants to buy merit just to increase their ranks. So everyone should be responsible to ensure persons doing illegal activities (selling and buying merit) will be penalized.

Yes, I agree with you. Merit is not for sale. The purpose of merit of course so that all our posts can be more qualified and when people read will bring benefits to many people. And with this merit will slowly eliminate people whose posts are just spam and not qualified. Yes although I know to get 1 merit it is very difficult but if we keep trying to post a quality. I'm sure the merit will come by itself.

Yeah, and looks like you don't have any awarded merit or earn merit for a long period of time. Because in the first place, most of us don't care if you are a good poster. As long as they read your comment, they will ignore it as soon as possible. Add the factor about the limited supply of merit from those low rank like us. Those two things is the most common problem in merit system. What do you think?

Exactly, because merit system is required specially for ranking up, meaning it should be exerted with efforts to see the real meaning of your rank acquired. I don’t understand why others are trying to ask still if merits are for sale. But i don’t know also what is really the truth why others are insisting still, instead of obeying directly of what the new system is.

thread is for the purpose of awareness that merit is given to a constructive and quality post. I have made a thread here in the market place section, hoping that there will not be such things like buying and selling merits. Let's work with our own asses.Obedience is better than sacrifice merit for me is important matter because merit is our evalution to bitcoin...it will show of our performance how to be cooperative and patient to all we posting...we must learn and give value to merit that we have and do not sale for,its shown our deducated to our work...

this may take several centuries.
and if you just write good posts, and do not think about some merit, merits themselves will come to you.

naaah.

What kind of people need merit? Those, that want better signatures (and some other perks).
Who needs better signatures? People, who want to promote their own stuff.
Who wants to promote their own stuff? People who want to sell you some service...

As such, there are a ton of (pardon my french) shitposts in broken engrish all round the forum with no value, no relevance to the topics and basically just cluttering up the discussions.

Even if you (we) do take time and effort to come up with a quality post, give detailed info and a great answer to some questions here on BT forum, it may be a biiit hard for the "people in charge" to find us and "reward us with merit" in the midst of all that.

Or maybe I'm just to gloomy about this, not sure...  ???

Cheers

   It is hard  to earn merit but it is much better to put all your effort to have it rather than buying it just to rank up.  We all know merit is important in order to rank up but we should work hard for it. Do quality and meaningful post who knows someone notice it and give you a merit. Just do your part despite of this merit rules.

If you are trying to get it as hard as you can, then for sure it will be very difficult. But if you are here to learn I'm sure that merits will come your way as you matured and post high quality because you really did your best to share and be involved in the discussion. So I say that don't try to hard, because I have seen other posters just copying others including articles on websites and sooner or later you will be caught. Just take your time to learn everything, it will not be easy, but posting meaning will come naturally in the end.

Merits are given to deserving posts. I don't think it is right for it to be traded.

Let's all endeavour to contribute well to this platform,  and deserving posts will earn merits.

Merits shouldn't be for sale.

The future is bright. Let us nor marr it with illicit trading.

Recently i received a personal message to a guy asking me to give him merit. I obviously didnt gave him one and instead ignoring him until now because i dont know what to do with him. Gladly he didnt come to bargain but i know it is still illegal. He wants to get a higher rank on his own way and that is what we prevent on this merit system.

yes, sometimes there may be some of the forum members who make an alternative to get the merit that is by buying from other members. this shows that the merit system has not worked well where there are still many members who do it and this is certainly not the right way to get merit. I think this is unfair to some people who make excellent contributions to some quality posts.

Yes, I think people could do such a business like this, it may seem that they have already budget the circumstances but we do know people get mad if they have only small amounts of ranks. I think people do this because of ranks to get high payouts or stakes, and people get merits by selling or buying merits to their colleagues.

If there is a profit to be made, people will exploit every system.

The idea behind merit is nice (I've read the whole post from the admin), and it makes sense. But long as you can simply contact somebody and "buy" merit in order to get what you want... it's kind of a flawed system.

But again, we're not all the same :) Not everybody is after a shiny signature or lesser chat limitations.

Forcing wont really give nothing good into you but rather a possible problem instead because you do make things which arent supposed to be done or you are already violating forum rules. Merit isnt for sale and you cant force other people to give you out for your own benefit and i agree that you shouldnt mind too much because time will come merits would be on your account if you just really contributed well into the community. It is really hard indeed even myself do still struggle in that part after all these years.  8)

I see that merit system is still cheated by someone else. Merits are regulated because of the reason of making people post informative on this forum, thus, those who cannot earn merit cheats and do anything just to have one. I become sad thinking that i already have 1 merit so far but this just means i will post more informative ones more.

Pay for play "merit" isn't something I know much about. I think though a demerit system might not be a good idea for the exact reason that it might turn into Reddit. And this merit system can also be exploited by many various ways such as selling it.

It is difficult to get merit, yes! But it is not impossible.

But illegal trading isn't the way to go

 ;D ;D ;D people always search business everywhere. At first day of merit i was surprised about merit system because i could not understand what is merit system. But gradually i realize this system. Now i again surprised that people are selling this. Actually it given about your working remuneration. Any Madel that anyone get by his hard work, how he sell this!!!. I think it should be restrict by forum moderator.

I agree with you, should merit not for sale, that's not good because it makes people not to create a positive and useful thread. although it is difficult to create a useful thread, at least do not sell merit.

Thx for the link!

I agree the new merit system is a good thing for everyone but it is not for sale at all, everyone will have to follow the rules and instruction for better earning from bitcoin, they will have to get merit point through their own hard work and systematic workout, no one will be able to have good merit points until they work for it hard.

Merit is only gain for quality post. It needs some hardwork and some uniqueness of post. Your own mind must do the work. Not your eyes. I mean you must post with your own idea, your own words and not by copying others post. We all know that plagiarism is an act of stealing others works or ideas into your own idea. Even in other institution. My point here is that, if you want to earn merits, then you need a quality post that came from your own mind. Merits must not be for sale. It is unfair.

merit is too precious for bitcointalk in this platform. Not easy to gain merit you have to quality post on bitcointalk then will get but not sure some mod check it out and they will give you and lot of people merit sell for money they know merit is so precious for all of bitcointalk user. Though you want merit without money deal they won't give you but give the dollars they won't delay you should know about it every signal person must need it as know.

I think the mirit feature is abolished .. because to continue the level is very difficult.

It should be complex mate. If the bitcointalk become more lenient thing to them surely you will be see they will be spam the forum for sure. Many bounty hunters you can find after that. If the bounty projects are really good you can see the best participants on it.
Merits is really made for the people who is helping the forum and sharing the important details to this forum. As I noticed those kind of people getting more merits here.

i am confused with the merits.. i thought merits can only gain with complete dealings with both parties.

Do really mean that people demand for merit to be sale for them on bitcointalk account or what do you really mean? However, if such things now happen in cryptosystem now it means that the admin of btc have to look into the matter. Thanks.

This is pretty cool it's nice that people are giving a chance to those who have more trouble understanding merit or how to get it.

Sometimes I confuse people who have more capabilities even sold only for the currency exchange, there may also be not sold more

It should be something you should work hard for, not something that you can buy easily. User's who have many of it shouldn't sell it because there are also users who are doing their best to earn it, it should be like what that are doing.

For sometimes now,rumours of buying Merit Gabe been flying around every corner. If getting merit is base on your hard work and quality post, then there is no need to sell it for BTC or people coming to buy it. I think this is the best idea. Work hard, post quality update or comment something useful and you will sure be giving some merits. However, it wouldn't be out of place if I am giving some too.

People don't need to buy merit for their account they can just ask their friend if they can just exchange merit from each other using a quality post since that's the requirement... People are wise now a day and a simple rules won't bind them from doing wrong... And I hope they gat their red mark!!

It is going to get exposed in no time and it is going to change certain things.

They have been exposed as far as I know. But they won't simple stop from merit exchange or merit farming. That's how I see it and that's why members are very active reporting those abusers and in no time they will be tag for sure. And the merits they got from whoever source it is will be totally useless. And don't complain that merits are not enough, there are a lot of merit source the problem is that they can't find anyone worth giving their merits.

Many people buy and sell at the merits points and therefore it is important.

That can be abusive. Selling meris and buying. Those who's buying some merits they can easily rank up because of that. It should be getting in work hard not on buying because it can be abuse of a lot of members here to get a lot of merits. We should work hard, do our best in our every post we make.

I just hope for the best all the time as you don’t know what is going to happen.

It is very important for me to have the merit based system as it is important.

Didn't know it could be bought
Pretty useful information

It is your recognition, all the time. Every effort is very strong to get that diploma. If it is valued, it is invaluable. It is to celebrate for yourself. Selling it is not how much money.

Better to earn some respect from others than having a merit with a little knowledge and possibly with a red marked too. Merit is become competition too, a competition that so hard to play with... That's why, many of us stuck on this current rank. How cruel life is..

I also want to get more achievements, but I will not buy Merit through the transaction, I will win Merit through my articles and posts! I think your suggestion is very good!

nah fam, not a fan of this merit system since my old account got hacked.
i supposed to have a full member account, but with this merit system i got stuck in jr. member  :-\

not asking for merit since it could get me banned but i won't refuse it either if someone wants to give me lol

Well according to me it is not a good idea to sell our merit because it is not sold worthy, people are working really hard, it takes good time to see working hard for making our merit high, the more we will search about it the more we will make good post about crypto currency and the more our merit will be high, I am sure this is hard to buy merit because high merit is possible only by working hard and steady.

You’re a epic Bum OP.
I see through your lies, and know you created this post in order to recieve merit
GG

Yes, it is very cruel, the rules of merit have killed new members to get rank. while old members benefit from getting merit for free. and legendary continues to get merit from anyone.
it's like animal life in the forest.

im also an old member of this form but i dont get free merrits , therfor you cant just say that merrit is only good for old members because not all old members are skillful when it comes to posting a verry good content .

 merrit is not for sale at the first place because it is only earned by posting quality or helpful post but the sad part is that there are now too many abusers that abuse the merrit system . they recieved merrit through begging and other illegal activities .

yes you are right this merit should not be sold buy this merit you can get if you have a very good post quality and your post is very helpful or provides the best solution so you can get merit and sentences can also be an influence to get merit.

i think this forum needs more attention from veteran users.
i found this user profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2170208
just look at his posts length and he even get merited from red trust guy.
it was funny and i puted here.

I believe  it not for sale  ....but I wonder  why people  still keep them....even if you provide a good post they will still not give you..... Mmmmmmm

OP has a good motive but it's funny that he's an account buyer. So that just means he is not true and believe on what he is fighting for. It's not only the buying of merits that should be discourage but also the account buying that encourage a lot of account farming that creates a lot of spamming.

Spamming is everywhere and buying merit is not so easy to track. But the real deal is, the millions of user ( active and inactive ) here in bitcointalk.org...so huge community. Maybe theymos update or delete all the inactive users specially the old accounts. Just to clean up for good.

yes of course spamming is almost anywhere , not just on this forum but also to other forums and social media sites as well but spamming or spammers can be easily identified and they will always get punished if they insist to continue thier bad doings . merrits on the other hand can be easily track or identified if someone trades them without any good reason because you can always check the profile of every users here along with their merrit statistics . 

deleting inactive users in this forum isnt also a good idea because what if someone is only on a vacation or they do have some important appointment which causes them to be inactive for quite some time . do you get what i mean ?

It is not easy but it is not good as well, because if a person get good earning with his own knowledge it will give him satisfaction but a person who will try to buy merit and will not work hard it will only spoil his image and people will not like him, so those who are here only to get money and want to buy merit for sake of money should not be welcome here, only hard working and sincere people can make this forum high and will increase knowledge of other people.

If merit already is for sale, so they will find a way to get merit in a spamming way. Or just have a discussion with themselves, giving merit for nothing.

I could barely dream of obtaining 10 merits to test advanced signatures, but bitcointalk is cruel and only old members have a chance to use all perks.

Another problem is when crypto goes popular there is too many new topics and users. I could understand all this merit system for the best of the forum, but still, have some doubts about its perfection. I'm totally not this kind of user, that will write an academic article and give "very precious advice" to everyone just to earn merit points.

But still how it possible that only legendary members obtain so much merit and don't want to give it away? Why you need soo much? What a genius way to stimulate user activities throughout the greed.

Not sure if this is talking about Legendary members in general, or specifically about me, but I'm #11 on the "Most generous merit senders" list. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat) with 998 merits sent. Many active Legendary members give away plenty of merit.

For merit to be sale for them on bitcointalk account or it is a really mean. However, if such things now happen
in cryptosystem now it means that the admin of btc have to look into the matter.

Oh no! again this thread came to live. Op have advised do not spam to earn the merits but people giving same answer again and again to make this thread live. Dear yojo if you are available in online please lock this thread to avoid more spams at here.

If anyone looking to learn about merit implementation on this forum. They may look around the Meta section to find more information about this. Do not buy merits from anyone.

Selling and buying merits means cheating and will cause your account to have red tag or worst ban. Let us be fair. Post constructively to earn merits points, that's the only way  earn merits points without cheating others and cheating yourself. Be more responsible.

Yes, you really don't need to sell it, merit you can get if you can have a very constructive post and have the weight and post that you provide is very useful.

That's right. Buying and selling merit must be prohibited because merits are for the unique and quality post. It means that it must be constructed in our own words and ideas. Not copy and paste from others work. It's a form of plagiarism. Dont accept selling your merits guys. It is unfair for everyone.

I have difficulty making a constructive post. too broad category.
and many members are hesitant to give merit, even though the post is useful and constructive.
this is a weakness so merit is traded. or other members create altcointalk accounts to get the ease of increasing rank.

Merit is a form of honor for quality post, so shame when they buy merit. I am trying to find a topic to write for quality post.

yes you are right I really agree with you, this merit is not used to buy and sell and this merit must be given to people who have constructive and useful posts for everyone who reads it, if you want to get merit then do your best and show that you can give the best.

If you will create a quality post you can get merit. You have to follow the rules of question and ans so i glad to quality post for the question if you can post properly ans admin can provide a merit. Now other site you can buy merit from another marketplace www.fiver.com the market you can find you can buy merit for your account but this is the wrong way for merit.

Well, I visited the www.fiver.com website to see if this is true ( curiousity ). And I don't think that is a good place to buy merit and don't know what is the process to buy merit ( well, I don't need that kind of stuff ). Cause even if I only have 20 merits, I enjoy reading and having a good conversation around here in bitcointalk.org.

Having a constructive and useful topics can get merit. Merit is the point given to you if  your post become useful or meaningful. Yes merit is not for sale! Merit system is the best idea to minimize shit posts. Selling merit is not prohibited by the administration. For those who are buying merit you are just wasting your money try to manipulate a useful posts so that you'll be merited.

I think this merit is not good for sale, because it can only be obtained from the results of the post that you gave in this forum, you must be able to give good sentences and language and have a very useful post for many people who can at least provide solutions .

you must do well to post ,, a good reply to post before you can get merits

For sure it is not for sale, we will have to make our own effort for making our merit to be high, if we will make good and valuable posts I am sure it will make our merit high, the person who use to share his own stuff can make good merit in forum than those who are here only to get money but not sharing useful of high quality stuff so better use our own brain and never ask to anyone for buying merit.

You have a problem with writing proper English, and after taking a look at your posts it's obvious that the only reason you're doing it is for your signature campaign.

I have pretty high standards when it comes to handing out merit, and unfortunately for the shitposters I take into account grammar, sentence structure, and even proper capitalization and punctuation--not that all posts have to be perfect, but if a post looks sloppily-written, I don't give it any merits.  If a post looks like it has little thought put into it, I also don't merit it.  And just FYI, your posts don't meet my standards, and they probably don't meet other merit-givers as well.

By the way, you've been a member since late 2015 so there's no excuse for you not ranking up or complaining about merits.

You are the last person on the face of the earth who should be giving advice on how to earn merits.  Your post here is a typical shitpost that will get skipped over immediately and might get you put on somebody's ignore list.

how to consider quality post?

yes you are right, merit should not be used to buy or sell merit, you can only get merit when you have a very good and very useful post, the amount of merit is also very limited so use it as well as possible.

Wow, interesting in this discussion, but what's not interesting anymore, I've opened your link, but there are still those who sell, but no one buys, hopefully it can be what you say, so we all need to be careful and serious here.

I think this merit system is very confusing. I see a lot of threads that are useful but I see no one gives merit. but, I see threads that I think are not useful and some give merit, I think merit is given to our close friends not to those who make useful threads. too many systems are misused and one of them is this merit system.

It is true that the merit is not for sale, but with the new development now many people have resulted in selling and buying of merit so as to quickly make gain and advanced in Bitcointalk rank. The moderator should looking into it

Despite the fact that it's really hard to rank up your account in this forum, it's a bittersweet concept being implemented by the author of this forum. In that way, garbage posts will be minimized as members are challenged to post constructive one than none sense.