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It is almost a month the new system of merit has been implement to the forum. What is your opinion? It is really working as it was expected? What is you opinion?

Yes it is working as expected, we have less spam and since anything empty should be refilled, the spam is now come to this section with dozens of merit topics!

merit is GARBAGE https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032236.0
Would you join this Merit Survey? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2999382.0
Why did they actually enter MERIT ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3030382.0
Some confusions regarding "Merit system" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3000813.0
Merit is the best thing that happened to new users https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0
Merit Requirements too difficult to JR. Members https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3006322.0
Yet another "Merit" post....please just hear me out for a minute. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3035737.0
The Merit System - Why it is fundamentally flawed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3042759.0

Enjoy reading the topics that i found only in the first and second page of meta!!!
Hilarious, meta is ruined SOS!

Yes ofcourse it is working like how it should work, the spam are getting much less than usual. Also the account farmers cant really farm that fast now since they'll get stuck if they dont get merit. So i'd say that the merit system really works perfectly fine.

I don't know about all those rosy assessments--spamming in Bitcoin Discussion, Altcoin Discussion, and Economics has gotten so bad that I had to put those sections on ignore.  So shitposters are still going strong.   Why? Because they're still being accepted into awful campaigns by irresponsible managers, and those campaigns are accepting newbies. 

If that were to change and we keep the merit system, our problems might have an end in sight.  New users who can get into campaigns might not care to rank up.

I have definitely noticed that a lot of users are trying harder, so that in itself is a major improvement that I'm glad for.  It is working--slowly and with medium-sized results, but it is certainly working.

Of course, the merit system works well. The shit poster slowly decreases and everyone tries to improve the quality of their post in order to get a merit for ranked up. Its make the forum going better than ever.

Yeah,many users are really trying to give their best now than before but most of them were not get merit that what they deserves for their effort due to merit farmers and alt account holders.But still needs time to settle down for the new system and still spammers are just continue to spam as always what I can see is one liner posts turned into three line spam posts.
Let's give more time to the new system surely it will make huge change soon but the campaign managers are also need be careful while picking participants for their campaigns.
It is good to see that merit based campaigns are started but still some of the spammers were abusing merit system for the campaign.Luckily our global moderator starts to hunt the merit abusers already. 8)

Honestly, yes, From the beginning I didn't think that the new system of merit will work as it was expected, but I was wrong, day by day, I saw that there is a hundred of high quality posts wrote every day in different sections, People they want to rank up, and the only thing to do is to improve the quality posts to get merit points to eligible to reach the next rank. It's a very smart move by theymos to improve the forum.

I've noticed a marked improvement. But the system doesn't fully address spam, so I think expectations are misplaced. It only partially addresses signature campaign spam by making it difficult to attain rank by shitposting.

I still feel merit is more weighted towards popularity and social standing than post quality. And that's doubly true when quality posts express unpopular opinions. But I don't think there's any way to fix that.

The spam megathread problem is an interesting one. Many of them are started and consistently bumped by newbies/lower-ranked members without signature ads -- they're just being newbs. There's a feedback loop where bounty spammers and these newbs mutually perpetuate the problem.


Same here. A lot of people are clearly putting more thought into their posts. Not enough to drown out the spam, but like I said, I wouldn't expect that to happen entirely. Or in just a month or two.

- Yes, no doubt it's working. Merit is helping people to create good contents however the way we (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.msg4023047#msg4023047) are (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.msg4023077#msg4023077) applying (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.msg4023084#msg4023084) merits, is not right. Some good tweaks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3033480.msg31207662#msg31207662) might bring out a solid application of the merit.


Anyway, I would like to see your constructive though on the topic instead of just asking us. You see, Merit is here for to eliminate post like yours. The question (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2999382.0) you are (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0) asking (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2862666.0) can be easily (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823790.0) answered if you would take a little time and looked around instead of creating this thread.

I hope you got your answers now.

I see mine included as well

https://media1.tenor.com/images/313fed5d8fdd8b0845e19555a1da65c3/tenor.gif?itemid=5236578

By the way there are useful information too.
 

This in fact is totally surreal. A working anti-spam measure is in fact producing a migration of the spam. Perhaps it would have been wiser to open a new category of posts just dedicated to merit issues, so as to keep clean the meta-section.

Of course it is helping the forum - look how many merit threads and posts it has created. :)

I'll give it a month or two more to see the real results. Most likely people (newbies) will give up since they'll probably see how much harder is to rank up with merit system.


That's the one thing that's for sure to disappear, account farming. The only thing that might improve the spam reduction even more is if signature campaign managers include min merit (not counting the base one you get depending on rank) for enrolling.

it is too early to say that it is working...maybe a month or two...my obsevation at this moment is purely cleansing..through merits giving we can sense that some have several accounts and they themselves gives merit to their accts that needs merit which for me is unfair because we that are new in btc forum are striving hard to post a constractive post so as to gain merit..which on the other side i am also thankful because it widen our knowledge not only on proper english and spelling but also how to make useful and good advertisement....

System Merit already applied or work l taste work and how regulations that plementasi burdensome or lighten up for that run there is two selection when plementasi that light can expected according to expectations and otherwise burdensome maybe somewhat slow this depends how we responded.that depends way make regulations....!!!!

I think yes, with this new system implemented people are now obliged to work hard to create a good quality of post since they cannot rank up just by completing the required post count. Even me is now striving hard to make quality post, I must admit before I only make one or two liner sentence and kinda nonsense one but now I have to make effort in reading news and other info about cryptos and its market so I can compose a good topic or reply.

I believe a lot of the shitposting and account creating is continuing because newbies believe merit will go away.  They see threads about ditching merit and they get excited and tell their friends everything will be back to normal soon.

We must send a clear, unwavering signal that the merit system is working as intended and is here to stay!   :)

Merit system has helped, has changed the forum more than one month after its launch (in January). Nevertheless, somewhere in the forum (like Altcoins ANN/bounties, or even in Meta), there are still shitty-posts/topics created by spammers because those two reasons.

1) Spammers believe that they can get merits from spamming Meta, begging for merit sources with their shit (repeatedly). Overtime, they will recognise that they won't earn merits that way; then they will stop (and might start new strategy, lol). ::)

2) Spammers, again, think that Meta board seems to be the easiest section to catch attention of higher ranked users, who can send them sMerits. Again, overtime, they will realize that higher ranked users will become more and more strictly when verifying post-quality before sending their sMerits. It due to two other factors, merits will be more scarce overtime; and if some spammers keep ranking up by their shitty tactics, merit senders will tie up their rules before giving away.
As Vod said in above thread, merit senders should give strong signals about point of view.
To sum up, merit system will continue to change the forum, both old good users and spammers (some will leave the forum, some will adapt to survive - I hope they will become good users in the forum due to effects of  merit system; not innovate new strategy to rank up and spam.)

Merit system have solved the problem of post flooding intended only to rank up.

Yes i think it really help a lot, it reduce the shit poser just want to rank up, in addition merit really require quality post that really helps the forum and the reader as well.

Merits helps a lot in this forum. but the system cannot garuantee a 100% that all spammers will not post out of topic or un useful post especially the higher ranks (full member up) they didnt care about merits. They post for the sake of their bounty campaigns to get rewards. But this system are doing better nowadays it lessen the shit posters.

Yes it is working perfectly fine because it is easier to find those people who are here for merit farming and here because they really want to learn about bitcoin and other alternate cryptocurrencies. I have found some people who are cheating although it is just a minor give and take merits but imagine if they have 5 - 10 alt account and placed in just one signature campaign. Even if they are just members or full members they can still get a lot of $ out of one campaign.

The shit posters who were here making useless posts through multiple accounts to level up and participate in signature campaigns will give up now. They have realized that this merit system is not going to be taken back and are thus posting constructive posts. This is reflected in the post we are seeing in the meta section from new members.


There are requirements fro higher rank members to have certain number of merits earned to get better pay in signature campaigns. I think as this system gets old, we will have campaigns only allowing members (for all ranks) with some merits earned.

Merit has helped the forum in following ways:

1) New members are also making detailed and to the point posts to earn more merits. This is improving the quality of posts on this forum which will bring more traffic and advertisers.

2) Some people tried to cheat the merit system by giving merit points to their alt accounts. Most of them got identified and were punished. Thus, the merit system also helped to find out alt accounts here.

3) Merit system is also good for the companies having signature campaigns here. There signature will appear on high quality posts now.

Sure it does.

Before the system, I really don't care that much. But since it started I'm beginning to understand what really is the goal of the system. And eventually I've realized that, many people do really have very very helpful thoughts, that may be based on facts or even opinions.

So, I've began to read more, and discover many topics that I've yet seen, with that I've known many members that really knows their thing. I mean people, I began to recognize those people and learn significant things from them. And these people deserve to gain Merit.

Some minor goals are to reduce spams and to know who really deserves to rank up. Because then, the rank is only for how long have you been active in the forum, but now with the System, the rank does matter.

You might also want to check this topic, if you're curious about the movement of Merits: 3 Merit Stat After a Month of Merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3015036.msg30999421#msg30999421)

EDIT: There has been yet another infograph(s) that is related to the Merit System: Where the Merit Pours? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768.msg31934877#msg31934877)

i am not being merited yet...
hope so its important...

And you will not if you continue making 99% of your posts in off-topic section especially if their content is similar to this
You need to improve your posts quality and the <1 liner chat (can't say even a post)

Just had a look at your posting history:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1356158;sa=showPosts


You are posting replies with 5-10 words and you want to get merit for those posts. I do not think that you are going to get merit points for such posts. You should have a look at the posts which are getting merits from other members. Then try to improve your writing skills and write in similar way. Another thing required to get merits here is that you should have good knowledge about latest happenings related to bitcoins.

Thank you for the links kind sir, I was really wondering what merit really does

Well, Yes! But it's unapriciated by a lot of people. The idea of the merit system is to:
- Lessen the spammers and shitposters
- Prevent account farming
- Let the people in this community to enhance there skills and knowledge.
- Improve the post quality of each and everyone here.

The downside of it:
- Takes time to rank up
- Not all can adjust with the new system.
- Some quality post is taken for granted.
- Some users is forced to cheat just to receive merits.

It mays seem hard but if you look at the bigger picture this new system is so beneficial for all. It's just that others don't accept inovation, They're afraid of a change. We all have a potential but the problem of some users is that they're limiting themselves. In which they think that this system is just a burden.

Well, everything has a good side and a bad side, the good one is that the merit system is kinda helping to clean up the forum, shitposters will be soon rushing out to leave since the rank up is becoming hard to get, besides a lot of forumers will try to improve their writing and share useful posts in order to get merits. But we should never ignore the bad side which is to sacrifice the few who are working really hard but never get noticed and never get merits.

Thanks to the mod who implemented it. In this way, shitposters will decrease as the new merit system requires the user to write meaningful post. Though others find it annoying because of the difficulty to rank up, for me it's a good move since we would all benefit by learning, by doing research about a thread and by widening our insights and opinion. The only thing I observed is that it should have been implemented at the time this forum starts so that others will not cry or beg for it. Most users beg because they have witnessed others who easily rank up by just increasing the number of activity without merits. They find it unfair. If from the start of this forum, merit system have been implemented way back, i think no one will cry for it.

Overall, if we are open to changes, no matter what the new implementations or rules we have, we will take it positively because it's for our welfare.

zeref dragneel will never earn merit.  Ever.  I just left a neutral "shitposter" tag on his profile as well.  This supports my thesis that shitposters have no clue how bad their posts are, nor why they're not getting merits.  And dragboob here is getting put on ignore, which I would advise everyone to do.

If you really want it to work perfectly, threads like yours should not be made, thus less spam. I have taken a look at page (Perhaps 50), and every page since now and then is filled with topics related to the merit system including repeated questions like "The merit system is not working."
I can see an improvement with the quality of posts in various threads. However, people really need to stop complaining and move on already.

There are also a lot of people making threads like "How merit system is good for the forum", " Here is how merit system will change the forum quality". Most of those threads contain the same content repeated again and again in hope of getting some merits. Some even succeed with it.

The reason for this happening is that the official thread is not made sticky. If it was sticky, then some of these members would have expressed their opinion in that thread. It gets lost in other threads and many people might not notice it before expressing the opinion about merit system.

I don't think merit is the best way.

Making detailed posts is not equal to making meritable posts or vice-versa. Improving the quality of posts is not related to bringing traffic. If I recall correctly the biggest source of traffic for this forum is the bounty campaigns and not the legit discussions.

It was an indirect effect of the merit system.

Thats what ruined the forum. ::)


You have something else in mind? Do enlighten us on your idea.

Yes, merit has a good effect in this forum.
I can say that Merit System is successful, but i think this system can still be improve to be fair for all.

Currently what I saw is that the merit system is working quite well even if not too its fullest but it is working better than many had expected I guess. It is been a month or so for the merit system had been introduced so to actually tell a major difference brought by the merit system we should actually give it more time and see how much it helped in the long run and then we could accurately say how well the merit system is doing or how it is helping the forum.

I don't think this forum is for you.

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If you plan on tagging all the shitposters, you've got a long long long long long long long long way to go, my friend. :D

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I must say that taking a brief look at your post history proves that the merit system did, in fact, help you to change the demeanor in which you now post compared to before. Kudos to you for this! We need more members like you.

It's working efficiently since it was implemented. Initial functio n of the merit system gave results satisfactory since I felt it's main purpose-lessen noobs obsessed in ranking fast by slamming different threads and boards.

I think the arguements set by other users are unsupported and are just rallying because they are having hard time ranking up their accounts and alt accounts.

I say that the new merit system is great and surely it will sustain good quality of the forum. Desrving people will be active.

You just left us thinking about what is the best way then. Would you care to add that best way here so that the admin can fulfill your order. :)
If you do not know, admin created a thread before introducing the merit system asking members about how to improve post quality on this forum. I am sure you forgot to mention your best way there. :)


Another post with the same issue. We cannot read minds and thus you need to mention those improvements and one suggestion before you do so. Kindly add your feedback on the merit system on the official thread. I am sure that if the admin is planning more changes, he will go through the responses there.

Merit system will help people to make a good quality post and make a challenge to level up. For me merit system is good.
We can improved our self to make good post and be useful, meaningful post for people. Must work hard to get merit and has minimum merit for level up.

I think it has 2 things:
1. it's good for all of us to have more and more high quality topic and post. And it's good for anyone who has high rank from last year and don't need to try reach higher rank.
2. it's hard for newbie to reach high rank because they see it too far and long. Think about that, if you post a good post or high quality comment but no one give you merit how can you become higher rank? I see many people who has good post but has no merit.

Actually aside from avoiding to ranked up the shitposters and improving the quality of users posts, merit had no help to the forum. Because thru this merit many peoples or users trigger to make a cheat, some of them are trying to make an easy way to get and achieve the numbers of merit required to ranked up. Not like before that even you post or not after 14 days your activity will increase so you are possible to ranked up so fast. Honestly until now I can't get the point of merit system why they need to earned it before ranked up.

I think it's better if the Moderators, DT's or the manager of the campaigned give that merits, because they are the people who knows the real quality of post. Merit is only favorable the highest ranked, because they can't need to gained it again. Not like small ranked that they need to work too much hard to earn 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 merits at a time.

For newbie is merit system is garbage because they thinking is just a difficulty in there account to make rank up  this  forum help user to make good quality post why they make account here if just can follow the rules guys all forum has own system just follow and no problem just think if there no system there no unity all post here is like garbage dont make complain just enjoy posting here and you will get merit someday

What exactly do you mean by the above post? Asslicking the merit system will not gain you any merits per se. Rather its going to mark you as a potential source of pseudo-merit begging. A term I cam up with while dealing with the gangs of shitposters in this forum.

They think saying good about the merit system will allow them to gain some merits from some kind-hearted soul. Let me make it clear the Merit sources know to differentiate between a passive-begging of merit and a meritable post.

Hard work has nothing to do with merit. It is about quality of the content and not only about quantity of content.

Of course, merit is very helpful in this forum. Because of the Merit, all of the members became careful and much constructive to what he/she want to comment. Merit gives more quality post from participants/members.

Not all actually. Just most of the members are trying to improve their posts while there are some that do not really care since they are still earning money either they improve their posts or not.

Merit has done a important role in making the users of this forum more constructive and detailed.
People who used to post irrelevant or useless replies are now forced to make constructive posts. This has helped the forum a lot since only good posts are seen now.
But  I think that this merit system also has some drawbacks , because people like me or other jr.members and members don't get much merits . And people who have sMerits give it to higher positioned users to get their help in campaigns and only for their benefits.  It's very rare for us to get merits even though we make constructive posts.
I think the forum moderators should think about this matter.

If you really want a moderator to consider your suggestion, you should give it in the official thread. I am sure that the moderators are not going to check these countless threads in meat section about merit system and then read all the replies made here.

I remember that admin even asked for suggestions before introducing the merit system. It would have been better if the members who are complaining now gave their suggestions at that time so that this situation could be avoided.

My answer absolutely 50/50.
Partly yes and partly no.

Simply because it was only one month passed.

I think it is more than 50-50. It is more close to 70-30 since there is a lot of members that is trying to improve their posts and giving their best to contribute in this forum. I just also hope that the complaints to the new system will also decrease.

which you mentioned, is the positive side of the merit system.
but you did not mention the negative side of the merit system, I read a lot of good posts that are ignored and do not get any merit. frankly i hate merit system. because it impedes me to increase rank

I agree, Merit system is an awesome way to improve the forums from shit posters. A lot of members, to not say all of them try hardly to improve their quality posts to get some merit points as it is required for ranking up. I think more than 60% of shitposters improve their posts due to the system, especially low ranks members. I think theymos choose the right system to improve this forum, he is very clever.

The new merit system are for spammer that already spread in the forum. Because of account farming, they are really prevented to gain more ranks. This system would make the post quality improve specially for the lower ranks & newbies. Hope after a few months, the thread will be more clean out of them

The merit system is very effective and what to expect, first to reduce spammers and improve the quality of the topic every day and be increasingly critical, great for improving the quality of work and especially the quality of the forum.

A lot of people created threads about the Merits System lately, and most of them are roasting the System, saying the same thing about 'its so hard to rank up now because of the Merit System, what can we do to improve our then, its impossible'.

TBH, it annoys me, the system is still new and open for changes, don't they know the word patience? Give it some time I say.


Don't hate the Merit System, from what I can see you got potential on getting merits now. Just improve a little more on your technicalities and punctuation of your statements, you should be good to go.

The System is not absolute, sure it does have negative effects, well at least for now.


Do you have raw data to support your claim? I mean 60% is a lot, and for what I see, there are few 'members' from newbie rank~member rank that still the same old spamming and shit posting.

With the merit system is implemented on this forum it is a big challenges to us to rank up but still it is every effective to the good poster and hunt some spammer who will do shitpost. I think many user are still shitposter and they need to improve their post to rank up.

Why not put account that opened for bounties access limit to alternative cryptocurrencies only, because that is what required to earn rewards in most campaign anyway, and use this merit system to control their posting quality there.

Just put button on member profile page asking if the account is for bounty hunting purpose and set their account access accordingly, once this is up we should report any account promoting program out of alternate cryptocurrencies and set their account to bounty hunter.

Account that are not created for bounty or as some of us put it "learning" just go as normal using the old system.

I am curious by this, do you watch anime @The Pharmacist ? His name comes from anime called fairy tail and it is about magic, dragon ,and boob, so dragboob is kinda a good word to refer to this member  ;D
And i am totally agree that some people doesnt have a clue about the quality of their posts and sometimes they are over confidence, well maybe because they dont learn enough because they are too busy to earn. Even some of higher rank doesnt have enough confidence to says " my post is good but i dont get merits". This kind of overconfidence newbie really deserves an ignore.


Once again, this is not a forum to earn money, it is for a bitcoin lover and other crypto enthusiast to engage and do something good for the community. Making a criteria like that will encourage people to earn money only without engaging to each other, without learning process, etc. And who would merit them if they all dont give a contribution (high quality posts etc) to this forum and can only join into single board? The best chance they have will be the higher ranks that do bounty too and the chance there will be a lot of merit farming will be higher.

So from me, merit is working, not perfect, but merit doing a great job in this first month, i hope it will have a greater impact from this moment.

I think, yes the merit system is helping the forum. It eliminates spammers and encourage members to post and contribute useful information that can benefit and users can learn from. However, I think it's really hard to gain merits because a "constructive / quality" post is based  on one's own perception. So we should really work hard and research some more to obtain it.

It is helping the forum.


But not that really effective. The goal of this new system is for that but there are still a lot of spammers. The root of spams are the Signature Campaigns that are popular in these forum, there are still campaigns so some spammers don't really care if they do not rank up as long as they are reaching their post quota and earning money.


If you know some posts that is worthy to be given a merit, you can post it here who knows you might be a source.

Its already have a good impact in the forum, more members are now starting to post more quality and some of the spammers are now getting tagged specially for account farmers who are taking advantage to earn and not helping the forum. Even there are many members continuous complaining about how hard to get merit but still they are trying to get that and starting to change their posting style from poor to more constructive post.

Yes Merit helps alot on forum The people that spam or activity farming cant do that now because they need merit and to get it you need to be patients and have high-quality post and meaningfull. Merit mades Forum Silent because There are no spammer now but many of people got many merits because of their alts.

I think this merit system has its pros and cons. First, not all merit-worthy posts are noticed and given due credit. Second, non-meritworthy posts are given merit (can be given merit) just because they know the poster or for some other reason.

That is why we need user to voluntarily pre-designated their account according to their usage, if the person comes here just to learn let him have easier way to rank up and not bogged down by Merit system which specifically design to stop bounty hunter spamming the forum to rank up their account, and also the Merit system will served its purpose as a measure of how good the account owner posting quality at the alternate cryptocurrencies in case he choose the account is for bounty hunting purpose.

If we want this forum to be specifically just for learning purpose only, just delete alternative cryptocurrencies so no more bounty hunting here and no more spamming, the fact is we still not into that and we still allow some money earning activities going on here and allow alternate cryptocurrencies to exist, instead of subjecting everybody to same system that probably will discriminate some people who have intention to learn, we should ask user to voluntarily set his own account, and have him go through the specific ranking system. Once we decided that this forum is for learning bitcoin only just delete alternative cryptocurrecies, everyone go through same rank system

If a person who came here really wants to learn, then a forum rank wont even matter to that person.


I doubt it. Members of this forum doesnt discriminate others based on their rank but based on how well they engage and participate in the forum. Compare this guys (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210) rank and post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210;sa=showPosts) to other member here including legendary ones and you will see the difference. The discrimination that you are talking about is only applicable to bounty hunters.

Yeah merit is making you shitposters come into the "meta" section too, isnt it? Refreshing your merit page every two minutes to check whether some kind-hearted merit source just gave you 1 or 2 merits for that last "knowledgeable ass-licking of merit system" - isnt it correct for 99% of the members?

Thats not true. Look into the recent posts and you will see so many people posting in threads where they need to post. They come to the forum for their own work and not to get merits. Are they all spammer? Not everyone.

Also alts will soon run out of merits and then those accounts will be stuck - because the sMerits of general people will soon run out and then only the merit sources will be there to give out merits.

that's true, at least the work of the forum staff has become less, which used to be a lot of forum members who often do what they call farming activity in order to level up on time, now they only have to deal with new members who always create new topics that are already dozens of times discussed on the forum and think will be given merit and level up easily.

Based on my personal experience:

1) I have got more merits than I deserved in my opinion. Initially I struggled to get merits but then I started observing what type of posts are getting merited here frequently. I found that if you making list of related threads, compile useful stats, you can easily get merits easily.

2) Regarding merits being given to friends, some members are doing this. I consider myself a new member here and I do not know anyone here personally.

They should be able to do much better. We are all required to make things unique and also useful for many people. This is much more important because we will understand Bitcoin much more quickly and easily, merit has improved the quality of forums and this is very good for the development of this forum, now we can see a significant change like the loss of the scammers. This change has indirectly increased the confidence of various sources of information, the Forum is also increasing in popularity because it can provide confidence in the majority of developments around the digital currency.

Some of the feature were limited specifically for high rank members only, and why do we need ranking system if it serve no purpose. Since admin keep it thats must be some benefit of it and they also encourage us to achieve it.
I am not talking about member discriminating other, I am talking about the system will prevent people who solely comes here to learn from ranking up. Don't you see that those post contain some misguided info and some of it very dangerous and unacceptable mistakes.

Merit system is good, to improve the quality of posting a member, so with merit, posting members not just to meet the individual targets in the campaign.
But I think merit is not very effective if given by fellow members, it's good if the merit is given by the moderator, maybe it will be fairer because each person or member has different views in assessing the post quality or not  ;D

Merit system really helps the forum. It is good because merit is used to have a good posts. For me merit system is the way how to improve the quality of every post.

every change there must be a purpose, as well as the existence of a merit system must have goals and targets.
but until now, all members are still complaining about the merit because of the difficult way to merit especially for newbies who are new to bitcoin.

I agree. I believe that the merit system somehow helped bitcoiners to provide quality posts in order to gain merit and get into higher ranks. Also, it avoided other members of the forum to flood quotes and responses. Although, there are still bitcoiners who doesn't really think about other members. They just posts and post since it's fine with them because they are in the higher ranks and have lots and lots of merits since, they were full members, hero and legendary before the merit system was implemented.

Merits are also misused. Others give merits to low-quality, not-so-very-understood and grammatically wrong posts. There are also members who waste their merits to those who doesn't deserve to have one. I may not be that worthy to have merits but I hope the admins will see to it that the merit will be given to those who truly deserve it.

No doubt about this, and this is why the admin introduced this merit system.


Now there are both advantages and disadvantages of merits being given by fellow members. The benefit is that by allowing fellow members to give merits to posts of other person, the work load on the staff is reduced. Indirectly, the members are moderating the good posts by giving them merits. But the disadvantage of this feature is that some members are not honest and are thus giving those merits to alt accounts.

The other user's said merits are useless but for me it is useful specially last time there's a lot of spammers and shit poster although now they are gradually decreasing because of merit system and others have received a negative trust.
Gradation: The other user's now are trying their best to improve their post quality to receive merits so that they'll rank up.

This answer your idea.




You are missing a really big point here. I ask you, what is the purpose of bounty and signature campaign? It is to advertise a project, is it not? And if you lock yours so specific account called bounty hunters into only 1 board, this is what will happen to the forum :
1. Advertisement will only reach the bounty hunters, which i can be sure that majority of them will just want to earn bounty, not to invest on the project. Potential investor numbers will be decreased, income of project will be decreased.
2. The owner of project will think that advertising on bitcointalk.org isnt a good move since the efficiency and effectivity is not as great as before, because well, you only allowed in 1 board.
3. Bitcointalk wont get money anymore if owner of project decide to find another way to advertise, maybe looking other forum,place,technique,etc. There wont be many project in the forum, they will go 1 by 1, then you will got no job, traffic to the forum goes down, no money anymore for forum.
4. Bitcointalk will die.

And i know you want to say that bounty job is to make ads on social media. Okay let me pretend that i am a newbie and see some project A ads on social media, clicked on the link and i will go to the website, read the website and maybe find a link about bitcointalk because i want to check the community and see what others think about the project, but when i come to see the project thread (assuming this is project is altcoin then it is specified in 1 local board like you suggest) i only find the bounty hunters which obviously will support the coin he is in no matter what, there is no other people to give point of view on the project, thus i can conclude that the suggestion and words from bounty hunters about their coins is biased because of personal opinion and this thought of mine can make me cancel my investment. Down again the number of investors.

You have any question about other scenario?


And what feature is that?

The only feature that is locked by rank is a feature to earn money which are, avatar, signature, do you consider this as a feature which can improve learning process?

If you refer to post limit and pm limit which can be associated to learning process,, it is locked by activity, not rank, read sticky post in meta section. Please enlighten me if there is another feature associated with improving learning process.

Well, if viewed from the purpose and benefits of a forum, this merit system can strongly support the forum to focus more on the purpose of this forum created. Then in terms of business, of course, the future will be more difficult to market the ICO or new cryptocurrency because if the merit system is successful, then people who left in the forum are the people who are competent enough in the field of cryptocurrency so as to minimize fraud because most of the victims of ICO projects that contain fraud are newcomers.

accounts with jr - member ratings try hard to improve their posts.
while I see, accounts with full member rankings upwards, they do not care about good posts, they just make a post to make money in the signature campaign.
I think the merit system has not been entirely helpful.

A forum is created for the discussion on a subject as a public place to discuss. Which comes from the Roman "Forum" concept. This was never supposed to be the marketplace for ICOs to spread their business until it happened and now the altcoin sections are the places which get half of the traffic.

Again those who are high ranked now are the ones who are more competent and not the newcomers. The last part of your comment is wrong. Newcomers should focus on learning about crypto and the forum and then slowly  rank up and join a campaign if they can. Dont forget that these are privileges and not rights of being in this forum.


Care to explain how you came to this conclusion that it is the junior members who are trying hard and not full members? Or is it because you have some alt accounts here and are trying to get all all of them ranked up? ::)

It look like spending all your  time working hard, at least, at the end, there should be some kind of motivation that will boost  you to put more input in your work. But if it's not like that It hurt alot. It's not our fault calling for merit reward though we are doing some shit as some say.  At list  one can not make shit through out.  Where there's sensible post the authorities should give as a sign of motivation.  Thank you.

I think that's not correct mate, we are all trying to have smerit just to rank up. Even me I suppose to be now a Full Member but look I stuck on this Member rank because I didn't meet the required amount of merit so that I proceed to Full member rank.
When I got rank? Maybe it takes a year I don't know.
Even I think I have a good post and trying to catch up the attention of those higher rank and hoping that they give us a smerit. But it won't happen besides they are giving those accounts that very popular here.

However, it gives a good impact on the forum now I saw lessen spammer and shit poster in every section.
Good job to the merit system. ;D ;D

I'm not sure about helping, but it didn't hurt. Yes, I understand people want to rank up quickly to get more stacks but this forum is not about Bounty campaigns. It has tons of useful information I greatly appreciate. So merit system is encouraging people to make better posts. It is not a fair system, but if it making this forum more informative, even slightly, I'm supporting it.

Yes Merit works really well. This forum has a lot to knowing thing. Many newcomers here come only for work. Many people do counter-work without knowing it. Forum are losing popularity with unwanted writings. Merit can only provide one person for good work. So I think Merit is one of the ways to know and understand everyone's personality.

In my opinion it seems the forum goes exactly the same how it was before the merit system implemented, everyone is having the same way of conversation, maybe the management is trying to improve more the posting ability of each member, the purpose is quite good but the system is quite tight for everyone especially to those member who are in the lower rank that strives hard to rank up. The merit requirement is too difficult to meet to everyone, that is just my opinion, i always respect everyone’s view of the system😊

For now there are lot of accounts tagged because of merit system they taking advantage to ranked up easily that is why i think yes, merit system helps the forum a lot to avoid spammer and account farmers.

You need to observe more carefully:

1) If you see the applicants for signature campaigns and those shortlisted, you will find a lot of junior members also getting selected. Most of them were ones having some merits. Recently yahoo launched about 3 campaigns that allowed Junior members and higher pay for ones with merits. A lot of senior ranks were also rejected.

2) Most of the people label senior members as just "lucky" to get merit points by default. This might be true for some but those active in meta are really helpful and knowledgeable.

This is false. I've noticed the difference, and it's been pretty drastic. I watched about a dozen boards by adding them to my watchlist by default. I've been doing this for a few months now. Prior to the introduction of the Merit system, I would see roughly 15-20 pages of topics on my Watchlist. It was tedious, but I would click on every single one of the topics, review the first sentence or two of the post, and do one of two things: 1. I would click the "unwatch" link and close the tab, never to see that post in my watchlist again or 2. I would engage in topics that I found interesting.

This was extremely tedious to do on a daily basis.

Now? I've actually added a couple more boards to my watchlist, and on average, I only see 6-7 pages of posts appearing in my watchlist daily. So for your "opinion" of the forum being "exactly" the same way as it was before just means that you're not spending enough time on the forums to notice a difference, or you're posting in shitty megathreads that attract the shitposting spammers.

EDIT: Yup, just looked. Every post that you've made within the first page of your post history is on a shitpost topic with shitpost answers that all have at least a dozen pages (except for the post you made in this thread and a speculation post about if Bitcoin will reach $15,000 before the end of this year ::)). The reason that you think it's exactly the same as it was before the Merit system was introduced is because you are a shitposter that only posts in shit threads to spam your signature. You say that the merit requirement is too difficult to meet? With posts like yours, no shit.

*le sigh* the irony of your post is unreal.

I don't think that this is true. I mean everyone here want some sort of recognition and they want to rank up for better opportunities. So it's kind of addiction here if you really want to work on the forum. When you become full then you have to become senior and then hero and so on. This will be important over the course of time because people do recognise you after specific period and that way you can take serious decision on the forum and there will be value for your word depending upon your ranks.

So don't forget everyone here is working hard to get merits whether they belong to junior or full.

Maybe those accounts that you see are the one's that we call shitposters (but not all of them are like this), there are many full members and up that is high quality posters, that accounts that you see are contented on what they are gaining here in forum and for those people like that I think thats the highest rank they can attain.

Newcomers come here to "WORK" ??? Is bitcointalk an office for you all? Or is it where shitposters vomit and crap everyday in order to get paid by increasing the ocean of shitposts? And what exactly is counter-work?


Good Work is not equal to merit. Period.


This is an indirect effect of the merit system. Its main function is to weed out those people's post which dont contribute to the discussion at all and to give some incentive (by ranking up) to those who make quality contributions to the forum.

A problem is, I think people are in general not very generous with giving merits to even good posts.....

You are incorrect.. check most merited users - some of the guys in the top 20 are fantastic posters (I am not claiming to be one of them) they bring value to the forum, I learn from plenty of those guys.

you on the other hand are a Pajeet poster so get no merits.

Well here are some links which you might find very amusing then - which will make your claim totally baseless and BS. Do check these out :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

Most generous recent merit senders (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend)

Like TMAN said, there are a "lot" of posts getting merited every now and then.

Instead of complaining that you are not getting merit - you can do the following things :
1. Stop acting like a bitch and start having your own personality. Learn to make quality discussions and not simply agree with everything which the person above you says.
2. Start to read the posts made by the top posters and learn how they contribute - maybe you will learn something yourself and some English as well in due course.
3. The best way to get rid of this problem is to leave this forum. Period.

Excellent advice to get a merit. Based on my monitoring, Most forum members get a merit on the quality topics they started, and only a small percentage of merit is given if we only comment on the topic, even though the comments that we write is a quality post. Therefore, the Newbe - Jr. Member members try to create a new topic in hopes of getting a merit. Though most of the topics created are junk topics.

Is it necessary to attack me personally like this?
Also, your comment is sort of racist.
This is pretty bad IMO

I completely do not understand how some of these replies have to be so hostile and angry?
Someone points out a problem / an opinion, you agree or disagree, explain.
Why does it have to be so angry?


Also, the "stats" you're referring to does not take into account the "percentage" of posts getting merits.
Relative vs absolute, always look at both when you talk about stats.

Say, 1% of posts receive merit(s), then you could start asking yourself... do I see more than 1 quality post for every 100 I read?

Stats like "1012234 posts received merits" really is not useful in decision making.

Another example, when you report stock price, you don't just report the stock price. You also report percentage change from yesterday! Absolute & relative. You look at both

Pajeet posters are low quality posters who are here for bounties, airdrops and sig campaigns only. Generally not from the western world. Sometimes the English they write is so bad we don't understand them. Can't be racist if it covers 1/2 the world

A new topic should to be really quality and interesting one to get a merit. Also I see that in the most of cases only first few comments on a new thread get Merit and in the most of cases those first comments appear as the best reply and support to the point.
This topic about how to get a merit appeared on the board for many times already. I just do not understand why users are so lazy to surf the board a little and to find all information that is necessary?!

Through my own perspective, I do see and feel positive results when merit system was implemented in the forum. I can feel that efforts are being exerted because I am also one of them. :)
I am having a hard time as you can see I have only one merit at the moment and it's quite pumping me with a smile on my face. I know I am not that good in English but I try hard for everyone to understand what I want to impart.
I know I lack knowledge and that is what I am trying to improve now.

In general, it's a great system. And I think it is helpful not just now but also in the future. I think quality will be observed when thos e spammers are tired to disappoint themselves in ranking up.

There are a lot of people who are complaining about the new system but they are not seeing the importance of it in the future.

I do know that spammers will still be spammers and yeah, they will still be paid but I think they will also be finding that staying in a single rank for the rest of their time here in the forum will be kind of boring so they will find a way to work on their merits to rank up.

In the meantime, let's just accept the system and wait for the results in the future to kick in.

1. I'm very sorry there are times you couldn't understand my English
2. "Can't be racist if it covers 1/2 the world" - say whatever pleases your heart.

all depend on our penilain respectively
Some say the merit system has been implemented has a very good impact. because post spam is gone
others say that the merit system has failed. There is harassment with the merit system
and there is also a statement to go from JR to full member very difficult.
all are reviews depending on each of us

Maybe it is better if campaign managers in Alts do a post-review like what campaign managers do in Bitcoin campaigns before accepting participants. But it would be strictly based post quality not on merits because we know that there are lots of posts that are merit worthy but they don't get chance to be merited because of shitposters that are spamming the forum.

I think you are referring to boards like the Bitcoin Discussion and Economics since there is a lot of spammers there that do not really read the posts but just post so they can earn their max posts in their Signature Campaign.

I do post in that boards but I also want to avoid it since I want my posts to be merited, and posts there are a rarely being merited since a lot of other people will post there covering the good and quality posts by spams and shit post.

You know, both are correct at same time.

1) Merit system has good impact for the forum. It has reduced the spam here considerably and even new members are making more detailed constructive posts. A lot of members came up with useful threads like stats and images for new forum rules.

2) Merit system has failed as well. Since the spammers are seeing all doors of getting away with spam posts and ranking up here on forum, they are using such terms for the merit system. They think that the decision will be reversed if they do so frequently.

It's too early to make this statement. What you've been seeing is the effect of having default sMerits in the accounts when the system was introduced. Once the decay of merit sets in and all the default merit is expired, it will become as difficult to rank up as the system intended. The spam posts will surely slow down even further than what we've seen. And before anyone says "It has been plenty of time since the system was introduced and it hasn't changed yet", there are still daily topics being started about merit, so there is still a large number of users who still don't know what the merit system is or that are not familiar with it.

Give it time, and you'll see that the system does what it is intended to do. It's just a matter of time before users realize that they cannot just farm alt accounts anymore for the sole purpose of joining bounty camps, and before the mass exodus of users who will start abandoning their accounts.

I agree with what you said, Merit system makes a very great change to improve this forum. Some people can't see that until now, but at the end, they will realize that is an awesome system and it was added at the right time when the forum had a plenty of spammers. So as you said, all of things will be clear in the future, just Give the system enough time.

Of course, the merit system is really helpful in this forum because if they did not implement this system, users will continue to spam until they rank up. So far, spammers have been reduced due to this system so this forum will be flow better than before. Right now, it's really hard to rank up because many merits are needed. So let us make a quality post and a glamorous topic.

 :o

You don't say! If only someone else would have said the same thing as you on any of the previous 5 pages of this thread!

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I think it's time we should introduce a demerit system. But not one where it takes one person to simply demerit another user (for having shitty posts like the ones quoted above), but what about if the demerits aren't publicly available for viewing on any post, but if a certain post receives n amounts of demerit votes, the user is demerited... For example, if a user's post gets voted to be demerited by 5 separate members, the user then has a merit removed from their account. All the while, it would never indicate publicly that the user has been demerited (to help reduce hive mentality), but it would be visible from the user's merit stats page after they have had a full merit score reduced.

If the user is at 0 merits upon getting n votes? How about if the account is temporarily banned from posting on the forums. Maybe 1 week for first offenders, 1 month for second offenders, and permanently for third time offenders?

I know it's still too early to discuss a demerit option, but I really am getting sick of the repetitive (sly) shitposters like the ones I've quoted above. You know, the ones who can actually construct a decent (and I use that term loosely) post, but still do not have the ability to review the context of the topic before posting...

Maybe I'm getting way too detailed in the nitty gritty, but I'd give anything to be able to help contribute to the fine-tuning of this forum :D

Yes very work, with this merit system reduces spam from the usual, but there is always a pros cons with the existence of this merit system, many benefits. ;)

i just think the merit will lead the forum to a decline, its very simple since new member is hard or impossible to get a rank rise, and there will no new people paricipating in the future, the forum member will be less and less, then new projects will not come here to post ANN, so its vicious circle

Yes merit system is effective to this forum because there's a lot of  member force a quality post  (topic or reply) to get merit to rank up their account. but there's a bad effect to the newbie who didn't understand about this forum its hard to them to rank up their account on this forum..

Not all of the members are here so they can rank up fast and earn more stakes or payments in the Signature campaign either Altcoin or Bitcoin, this is a forum about Bitcoin and other Digital currencies.

If there will be less members in the future, then I guess most of them will be the one that is here for the money and not the knowledge.

You are wrong.  Spammers and account farmers will leave first because they can not or hardly ever rank up with merit system. Those users simply join the forum to get money/ Bitcoin. Then rest users of the forum will stay here to learn, to discuss, to contribute to the forum discussion, help each other; not mainly or only for getting money anymore.

All members of the forum will be much better and the spammers have proven to be reduced, this time everyone is getting focused and motivated to be able to contribute to the forum by making good posts and also useful for the development of cryptocurrency. merit has made the forum better and I think it will be implemented over a long period of time.

OMG! demerit?? that was ridiculous, some members trying their best to get some merits then now sir you are proposing demerit. Oh! well if the posts are like what you quote, I agree that they need to propose demerit system. They were always complaints regarding merit system but their posts have no improvement, it was horrible because their posts are repetitive. Sometimes I just thinking is their mind is "ONLY ONE" because they were talking the same, almost no changes with regards to the sentence or wording they were used.

However, only theymos can be decided if they create another system to deduct merits of the spammers.

I think this demerit system is not necessary to be implemented, WHY? because anybody could demerit you, and it would be annoying if you are going to be demerit by someone even your post is good, just meriting system would do because anybody couldn't earn merit unless his post is worth to merit for. Therefore meriting system would do, adding some other system would just bring complex problem on this forum I think.

I think you are misunderstanding my post, and yeah I constructed it wrong. Sorry for that,

I am saying that if there will be less members in the future, then I guess most of the users now are here for the money and not the knowledge.

I guess even if those spammers are still here, we can still say who are the ones who's here to learn and who's here to earn.

I can say that this system really help the snce the spammers will never gets merit since their comments and reply are nonsense and won't be helpful with other users in this forum.

Uniqueness of the topics will come to a repetitiveness. More topics will be unique by season and by the trending news which is happening in the crypto. Discussions will be focused on that. Hope there will be a FAQ at the home page of the forum for newbies and investors to looked more organized.

Yes probably it may help the forum. But not too sure about that. Always there are some limitations in the every activity. It is too associated with merit system. But there are very good moderators in the forum they will definitely counter it . Don't worry about it.

Everyone must have different views. But for me merit has made this forum has a much higher standard than other forums. Now we have limits and also have a thing to be fulfilled in order to achieve a much better level. Making a useful post becomes the original goal, for me I do not expect merit because what I hope is the science I can get. So for people who have a new account and just get to know this forum do not be sad. You have a much better chance when you can understand bitcoin well. Merit may not make you achieve success. But if you have knowledge and experience then I am sure you can get success.

Personally i do say yes. It helps me. I don’t worry if i still get merit to rank up. The moment the merit system was brought to the screen, stayed back thinking and decided to omit sections "Bitcoin Discussion, Trading Discussion and Altcoin Discussion". Picked up other sections with child boards and posting now. Taking time in answering to tech question. I started referring stuffs related to wallets, mining tools, crypto market moves and etc.

I get satisfied to the work i am doing when i make quality posts. The quality posts i think may not be for others, but i do not worry about it as i am towards it.  But i keep myself so alert when replying to the threads i have chosen. Merit will follow when i am done with perfect quality posts. I am now in learning stage of providing quality posts.

I am not pointing out or criticizing anyone here who are against merit system. But i wanted to share my moves. Who takes it seriously will seriously receive not only merits but also good reputation to the account. This would surely enhance the forum.

You seem to be having a lot of doubts regarding the success of the merit system. Just go through the posts in this thread itself and you will find a lot of amazing replies added here by new members as well. This itself speaks whether the merit system has helped the forum  or not.

Regarding the moderators taking care of merit system, that is not required. In fact, merit system is implemented in such a fashion that the work of moderators is being performed by the members here. All the members are goign through posts of other members and meriting them if they deserve so.

And you will also not receive any merits if you follow these spammers that you talk about because you are simply acting like one of them. Also do improve your English.


How is that even related to this discussion? Discussing about merit should not stopped or moved to a new board like I have suggested. No use of rehashing the same old arguments over and over again just to increase post counts.


Moderators of this forum are having their hands full with the shitposters being reported. These lowlifes simply make new accounts and farm them until they cant rank up any more or get caught.

Its really ironic for you to say that. Its very obvious actually, since the Merit System was introduced, many members create threads that are all about Merits, but has the same content, whining and complaining about the System.

One example is yours. If you already knew that, why did you do the same thing, how are you different from them.

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Look at these threads:
Merit Stat from theymos data (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3082289.msg31788802#msg31788802)
Where the Merit Pours? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768.msg31934877#msg31934877)

After you read and study all of that data, tell me once again if its not working, and didn't do its job.

It is intended to associate with activities, to make more legitimate. I mean although 14 activities are being updated once every 2 weeks, still its easy to earn. But with the Merit System, your rank would definitely make sense.

The moderators? Are you serious? theymos - the admin implemented this. And the moderators are not against it whatsoever. You really don't have any idea or any background in it, do you?

Lol. Jet Cash is being hilariously sarcastic.  :o

Though he is right on the number of post this has created. If we look past the wall of amusement we would agree that the merit system is helping howbeit in its little measure in controlling spamming and draught of intelligibility in post constructiveness. It has also brought out a different dimension to the forum even with the "Joe's Signatureless Challenge" on board which encourages posters to up their game by increasing their post quality.

The Merit system is a good one.

The merit system was just about a month old if I am not mistaken and it already has a great impact to the forum. Less abusers, less further complications. Posts are somehow like being regulated and reviewed which is a great thought though I think some merit providers have additional workload.

I do agree that some alt accounts will get tired of spamming because they can not actually rank without constructing good ones for merits.

Yes, it helps everyone, like people, can't rank up just by saying hello in the local threads, also not everybody can't just rank up!!! at least we're all stack until Jr. Member hahaha isn't funny in some way????

Merit stops more incoming farming accounts, I just hope we can do activities to earn merits like "to do to earn 1 merit" something like this.

Farm accounts could just be frozen for a while and can still be paid but I think it can all disappear if they will be caught, if they got negative trust and if they are tired of posting and not getting any merits. For now, we should wait.

It is not easy to simply eradicate spammers and shit posters. But certainly, it was a good step forward from our moderators for keeping our forum functional. The new system is serving the forum good and it works efficiently. I can tell that nonsense comments were lessened. I think with more time, we could see greater results from it. I am not just hoping but I am sure with it.

Slowly and surely it is helping. It has saved my quite a bit of time as there isn't half as much rubbish posts out there now.

^^This makes absolutely no sense to me, and it's the kind of drivel that foreign shitposters need to stop writing.  People who write words like the above obviously have no grasp of English and at the very least should not be paid to write in it.

I think it's a shame that sig campaigns don't pay for local board posts--and that some of the less reputable ones employ newbie to Jr. Member-level accounts, which are basically throwaway accounts when they get banned for spamming.  There needs to be some serious reform on bitcointalk as to who should be allowed remuneration for posting, and who shouldn't.

Fixed it for you, don't ruin my text next time :P
If someone catched buying or giving smerit for useless posts, he will receive a negative trust likely. If you have examples of abuse then report it to moderators

I am a nuvie here, and of course my rank is nuvie but then I tried hard to read and understand things here so that I can post relevant answer to the topic at hand.  I really spend sometime reading and understanding.

I have a question, if you dont mind guys, how abut if .. for example .. you have friends here and between the two of you agreed  to give you merits even if your post is not so  good or relevant with the topic,  can it be detected or seen by the managers or admin and what is the penalty for  it. Just asking. 

it works but needed some tweaks especially for someone whose native language is not English it will be harder for them to get merits

The penalties range from banning, negative trust to being put on ignore by merit awarders so that neither of you get any merit in the future.

What part of the word 'merit' didn't you understand?

In my opinion new merit system create order in bitcoint discussion as everyone tries to improve the quality of theirs post in order to get merit ,i belived it will give more advantage in near future of discussion more useful and meaningful..

Unless you put in some efforts in what you write and just shitting on spam threads won't get you any merit and yes you will be stuck as Jr member. For that you need to blame yourself and not the merit system and its not even funny in any way.

Likewise I agree to your point on Local boards. Before when people had terrible grammar or zero English skills they were suggested to stick to their local boards for any information. But now that won't be the case as a newbie will be stuck as a Jr member even after 240 activity due to the lack of merit providers in the local boards or the board being a dead horses paradise. And everyone would want to rank up at least for trust sake. Though merits has its flaws it has helped on lot on the overall outcome of many threads. Lot of posts are actually meaningful and people putting in effort.

I wouldn't be surprised if De-Merits were introduced in the future also stated by Theymos himself. That would bring chaos across META.


Its already available. How do you think I got my first merit? Here's one such thread,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2957836.0

These things make the forum even more enjoyable.

Merit simply completely closed the entrance to the beautiful world of crypto-currencies for the novice generation. And in no way solves the problems for which it was introduced! The administration should review the main objectives of Meritt and come up with something better if they have the support of the entire forum, at least those who are unhappy with this development!

Even though many users show their opposition to it, for me it merit system is doing good 'til now. It helps in a way that shiity posters around are no longer motivated because continuing their bad deeds is such a big waste of time and pointless at all since it's impossible for them to rank up by doing those bad habits. But to be honest, I also see some disadvantages of this system and it's very obvious; like ranking up is now very rare whether you are a good quality poster or not and it causes smaller amount of reward may get in signature campaigns since there is now a certain number of merit required. Nevertheless, for me that's alright as long as I see that our forum are now cleaner and better than before.

I think the new system or the merit system now is good for everyone because merit system help everyone now. To reduced spammers, and user that is scammer. And now it is hard to rank up, everyone is looking for merit so that everyone tries to improve the quality of theirs post in order to get merit.

it helps the Forum but it is not helping some User because so hard to be Notice.
by some people that really gives merits to your deserving post

FYI I would say the the world of crypto is full of scammers and thus its not "beautiful" but very similar to the real world. The context of  "beautiful" also varies from one person to another. For your case its "money" that matters most which is evident from your post.
It does, which is exactly why you made this comment.

The only one unhappy is you. Because you cant rank up now by simply shitposting the forums. Hope you find better methods to make money from and leave this forum.

Completely agree with that. But what can you say about the fact that a lot os users sell their merit? Isn't it bad and unfair?

 I think its not working  in this forum because there's a lot of spammers in every thread i read  and i really dont know how wil they applied this merit system in this forum. they said for not spaming and post a quality post purpose. they have a moderator that can delete the post of spammers and other not good or quality  post so why they hired a moderator if they can't moderate every thread??? 

see this isn't in English.. you need to work on your English, once you do you will get merits.. Then you will benefit from the system - its pretty simple

Look at you! You are so proud of knowing English and bashing others for their poor language skills. English language is something given you by birth. Do you have something else to be proud?

Yea I have plenty to be proud of.. you do know this is an English language forum don't you?

its not as if I am out there spazzing a Hebrew forum or anything similar

Well I am sure he is proud of his collection of physical bitcoins and kialara. Have you even seen the "collectibles" section and the number of successful trades that TMAN has done till date?

Also dont be a cry baby please. Having a good control over one language is something that makes you literate and this forum is filled with illiterate shitposters who come to spam and get some cash in return. Look at yourself in a mirror for example.

It was for you people that the merit system was created. I repeat the advice I gave to cry babies like you in many threads prior to this. If you dont like the merit system - LEAVE this forum.

Hosnestly speaking this merit system is very hard...  But for me it is helping, because of this merit everyone can detect who is the person who work hard to have a quality post...  And because also of this merit system we strive hard and think critically to have a quality post... Though it is hard and very difficult just continue your good post and you will receive you reward someday...

I can not judge whether this merit system works properly or not. After the implementation of spam merit system began to disappear, yes, it is very good but many also feel disappointed with the merit system because it is not going well, there is even an issue that says that the merit system abused, whether it is true or not I am not sure

Merit system has shown amazing, strong effects on users, especially on account farmers, spammers, and free-money takers in the forum. Since the lauch of merit system, they have to adapt to survive (by which I mean to rank up). Part of them ranked up with their good adaption (legally ones); most of them fall further behind and stucked at their current rank (might be stucked forever if they don't change to contribute more to the forum). Part of them tried exchanging merits like merit farmers and was tagged, reported, and banned (permanently) like those ones (More mass merit farming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3024695.0)


To conclude, there are current merit abusers but they will be eliminated totally in the near future due to amazing tracing effects of merit system.

Merit system is not going to affect in any way the new members from posting here or share information here. The information here is available to all the members and senior rank members do not get any privilege for this.

If your primary aim is to get knowledge about bitcoins and other crypto ( which is the primary objective of the forum ) , you should not have any issue with the merit system. Merit system has been introduced just to encourage quality posting. There is  no privilege for them except getting a higher rank which just gives more credibility to the user.

Fantastic innovation to drive quality posts, trash out spam posts and find out alt accounts meriting within accounts. It has reduced number of spam posts, increased quality posts, being a positive push for beginners aim to contribute quality posts spending more time in referring things related to crypto.  It driven me to avoind spam threads and sections. For an example, the sections on 'Discussions'. Though it takes time to get merits, its worth and satisfying in contributing quality posts.

I agree with the general opinion. At the forum, quality messages increased visibly. Users started to post more informative messages. And also multi accounts activities stopped obviously!

So far, I think spam decreased. People now try to make Good Post for Merit (Now, Merit Hunter is more popular rather Bounty Hunter)
But, now the era for Merit Abuser, and one by one Higher Account Nuked. :o

But, Newbie still Newbie. Keep speak nonsense for post.

I think it is useful to reduce spamer, there are many people who are careful to post. Although the impact is very hard to raise the rankings, but it's okay if it's for the good of forum.

I agree with you sir and I can prove that based from my own experience.

Some of my new friends who are also members of this forum told me that they only treat merit system as a temporary solution. They believe that as soon as the forum is cleansed after shitty posters are being eradicated then this system will become void. Hence, I always tell them to change their way of thinking and try to embrace this system but it seems that they have will not. :(  (anyway, that's not my issue anymore)