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UPDATE:
Dear all group buyers,

After SPTech receiving the first batch of RockerBox ASICs, the initial results show a lower hash rate than they expected.

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14919097-sp30-bring-up-status

This is the main reason to not continue With our Group Buy.

Spondoolies-Tech SP30 - REAL Specs: 4.5 TH/s (NOT 6 => no ROI)

Regards.

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After speaking with RoadStress and Spondoolies Tech I am preparing a new buying group for SP-30 delivered in September 2014.

I'm still in talks with Spondoolies but I hope a price below 4.300 U$D Actual price for normal buy is $5,095.00 per unit.

The product:



Note that local fees such as customs may apply and are not covered by Spondoolies-Tech or buying group.

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If you're really interested in buying PM me with the followings:
- Your nick;
- Number of units;
- Escrow system: Yes/Not/Don't mind
- your e-mail;
- transaction ID; [WAIT please]
- your preffered payment method(Bitcoins, Dollars or Euros); [WAIT please]

I am assigning a number to each requested unit to help to arrange delivery of SPTech.

The list of buyers is anonymous, it only knows by the Spondoolies team and I (will not be displayed on the forum, for privacy reasons).

The list will be forwarded to Spondoolies Tech so that you can arrange payment afterwards.

I going to update this post weekly. No news from our negotiation with Spondoolies until after Hong Kong conference - June 24-25 (Guy Corem, CEO of Spondoolies said to me).


ROI Calculator:
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator


Github repos are live!
All the Spondoolies software stack is fully open-sourced:
https://github.com/Spondoolies-Tech/cgminer

SPTech technical blog is live!
Includes ongoing updates and release notes for the new firmware versions:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog


Edit: I hope to set the final price on July 15 based on the difficulty of the moment.
I do not want to waiting more for processing our order to avoid delays in our units.

Edit:
I am currently awaiting reply from the manufacturer.
I feel unable to give a final price yet.

Edit 23/07/2014 SP-30 SPECS:
This group buy is kept to until reopen sales with the new specifications.

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14919097-sp30-bring-up-status




Edit:
BE CAREFULL WITH SCAMMERS!
The user number 356016 with the name "bitmadrid." is a scammer.
DON'T SEND ANY BTCs to https://blockchain.info/en/address/1PRrbRprK35MdaugyyCR5AHYGJghghgAyH

You must wary of emails that Scammers can send to your email.


Check with focus on the attached files with *.Exe or with *.Jar and double extension files such as *.XLSX.exe or *.XLS.jar.

I only publish the wallet in this thread

Wait for the official account SPTECH confirm the address in this thread.

being nosey  ;D as ever. i'll count my pennies for this one but recently made quite a big investment, so not committing just yet.

I'm very interested as well.  If you can get the Spondoolies team involved to back up your word (and price), I'm in ...

Watching, took part in the SP10 GB..  LOVE them, $5200 (SP30+Shipping) is too far for that much on the line. It would make me sleep ez'r knowing I have a few coming.

Assuming a September 1 delivery date for 6TH and a modest 12% Diff increase per cycle, my model shows a .116 BTC accumulation rate per day (on Sept 1) for the first cycle.  Assuming no considerations for power, this device would ROI by March 2015. 

I am not making any recommendation one way or the other, just offering my two cents.



 

definitely put me down for 1.

ZEXY!

If you can beat the SP30 price for AUGUST you might have a winner here.

@raskul I'm sorry :(

@Ski72  done :)

@whonesta You're very lucky! :)

@Und3rd0g thanks for your interest.
Could you be so kind as to repeat the same calculations for 6 units of ANTMiner S2 (1TH/s x 6 units = 6TH/s)?
2595$ per S2 unit x 6 units =15,570 $
After that you consumption multiplied by 2.5 times more (because one SP-3 is 2400W and six ANTMiner S2=6x1000W; 6000W/2400W=2.5 times)

I used a long time to find the best option ;) IMHO that's Spondoolies SP-30.


@data55 done :)

@Bicknellski done :) I'm trying to improve all as I can

When Bitmain releases the S3 price people can do a better comparison. Volume orders of the September batch have been as low as $2500 a unit, you can do better than this price.

Source?

I might be in for one depending on the price.  Will have to be competitive with the S3, especially since these aren't being delivered until september.

I second that!

I'm unable to disclose this but it is from a trust worthy source.

@wpgdeez
Really? if Spondoolies sold at those prices, We'll try to reach them. (I not, WE YES! :)

IMHO that price is unrealistic to 6TH/s


I have read about the BM1382 and I think the comment that best describes BITMAIN company is this:


Spondoolies have proven to be a reliable and trusty company. I don't know their big errors (I don't know if it exist). They use OpenSource products and you can reconfigure all the software easyly.

Another BS delivery date 3+ months away so the vendor can take your money and then mine coins with YOUR hardware until it is barely worth the shipping cost to send to you.

Good job all you sheep clicking the TAKE MY MONEY button.  You are heroes of the fucking crypto world.

Yes we know the companies premine with hardware, just like your "brand new car" has more than zero miles on it. Not saying its right, just a fact of life everyone already knows here.

If you aren't interested please keep your opinions to yourself so we can keep this thread clean for people who are actually interested. Thanks.

This ^

Paying for todays prices for something you get 2-3 months later is a shitty deal. Wish more people would hold back oh well not my money.

@data55 Thanks for your patience

@iglasses & pb2014 and  other people who are interested in we are not buy SP-30.
Fortunately, everybody can mine today. Sorry for wake up from your dream where you're the only one miner :P
I will report all inappropriate messages onwards and it going to delete by the mod's :)


Also, I am pleased to announce that I am a new scammer's target ;D
Come to Daddy :D 6 years working in banking security have helped me...just a bit

https://www.virustotal.com/es/file/8f5e93d9fe00dcd2e01212135c0c05ee9541696efd2b1cb2d15533d792e64158/analysis/1403094409/

"Oh shit! He is a IT security guy!"https://lh6.ggpht.com/-uSgMxixNsH4/ThPCD1XjAqI/AAAAAAAAACM/Mal0mD62CsY/trollface-64x64.jpg

Edgar's a loud mouthed attention seeker and Spondoolies has shipped nowhere NEAR the volume that BITMAIN has.  When SPTech is powering  ~20% of the Bitcoin network then we can talk about track records.

It's unfortunate that the SPTech units are so F'ing loud, it's the only reason I don't own any.

@dropt thank you for your comment :) This thread is not to discuss that company have more volume, only for buying multiple SP-30.

How many Bugatti cars are in the world? I agree that there are many more cars from Henry Ford, but I prefer to drive a Bugatti :)

Well, that's a fairly poor analogy because Ford's aren't actually that great.  If you interchange Ford with Toyota it's better.  So in doing so, saying that Toyota is a shit brand/company because one (or five) people had issues that weren't resolved immediately isn't a viable indicator that Toyota as a company is shit.


That aside: good luck with your group-buy.  I've been around these parts too long to get tied up in pre-orders and I'd suggest anyone considering doing so greatly weigh their option(s) and risk tolerance.  May the mining gods look favorably upon this GB and its participants  ;D

Thank you for your reply dropt and your apreciate advice : )

I will try to delay payment until the last week as I can.
Anyway, if you know how BITMAIN give us the same number of TH/s at the same price this week... I'll buying them! But unfortunately BITMAIN do not accept buying groups. They maintain the same Price for all buyers.

Juan from 112bit.com was able to execute an S2 Group Buy for 150 units at $1650, so uh, not true.   ::)

Hey bitmadrid, I'm a bit confused by your first post.  Are you stating that you have currently locked in a price of $4400, or that you are trying to get a price lower than $4400?  That price, by the way, was what was offered in RoadStress' April group buy (if you could prove you had ordered hardware from other manufacturers).  Also, can anyone from Spondoolies-Tech verify this group buy?  Finally, what, if any, deals are there for shipping/hosting for this (i.e. free month of hosting at Spondoolies-Tech, or free shipping)?

Thanks in advance.

@ChuckBuck
I'm in the last S2 Group Buy from bitcointalk (not from 112bit.com). We obtained the same selling price per unit that is in the official website. No discounts for group buyers from June. If you have other information, adds 2 more S2 units for me in your order :)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=642586.msg7353233#msg7353233


@jonnybravo0311

Firstly, thank you for your interest :)

Yes, I trying to get a price lower than $4400.

Sure, I speak with the official acount in the forum and with the Spondoolies team, but they will ignore you until the end of the HK conference (me included :S)

I have not tried that kind of details yet, only improvement in the final sales price.
I suppose we could choose any of the two modes only if our order is large enough.

Thank you for your suggestions

I am interested ... keep me informated -- pm sent

~nhminer

So your position is that Ford and Chevy drive new cars around for a few months and then roll the odometers back to zero before putting them on lots?
Yea...ummmm...good luck with that.
I think I'll keep my opinions wherever the fuck I feel like it. Every one of these bullshit 'pay me today get your equipment when I'm done beating it like a two dollar whore' vendors deserves to be called out on this bullshit. They are financing their fucking farm with YOUR money you schmuck.  You are paying them to compete with you!  How the fuck do people not realize how damaging this is?
And don't give me the bullshit 'it's how it works' because it isn't. There ARE vendors that only take orders for shit they've actually built...not like these fucking jokers.

Cointerra
Blackarrow
Etc. etc. 
when will you people learn??

I don't understand the point of these fake group buys.

Why doesn't spondoolies just offer everyone sp30 for $2500?

Why is their website price double their bulk price?

Assuming a September 1 delivery date for this scenario and a modest 12% Diff increase per cycle, my model shows a .116 BTC accumulation rate per day (on Sept 1 – as expected) for the first cycle.  Assuming no considerations for power cost, or fluctuation of the price of BTC this would never ROI and net you ~ 10 BTC by March 2015.

PM me if interested in a copy of my Excel model.

You are missing a huge point.. Most people dont mine with these things until they become bricks. Yu have to find that sweet spot where you have mined enough coin and the price hasn't tanked too far, then flip it.
example, i bought a terraminer w/ bad core for $2700, mined for 5 days, then it sold on ebay for $3100..

I see more and more miners complaining about ROI when they dont want to do anything for it. Those that hustle and take some risk are the people, if any, who are making money in this game.

I totally agree.  Just trying to give an apples-to-apples comparison. 

My only comment would be that we need a better venue than e-bay to trade/sell equipment.  The eBay 10% seller fee can be a killer  :)

Pre-Order in Bulk. Spon won't have to worry about Refunds, people will just have to sell their shares if they want out. Spoon gets a Lump sum of money now without having to waste time or money marketing this product. They are effectively paying for a middle man which is worth the cost if they can get the money sooner rather than later IMHO. Though I would be wary about this Group Buy. RS has been advertising/arguing (in every thread I have been to in the last week) for Spondollies like he works for them, I don't see how some other person is going to get a lower price point than RS at this point. Would be kind of cool to see, though I don't really mine. Good Luck

Explain this argument to your boss  :D and he will tell you:
"Ey Jim! I do not understand why you do not work for $ 250/moth or $ 2.5/day."
Maybe because your time is worth more. Anyway if you know a Ferrari that is being for sale under $2.500 let me know please :)

jimmothy I suppose because they do not waste time and money on getting customers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

I do not understand why so many people are upset with the ideia of we buy 6TH when they have bought ONLY ONE MONTH BEFORE
If you have a small penis (<= 1TH/s), I understand you're upset when others show his 6TH/s
Take advantage and buy one! ;D

@Und3rd0g
I don't know what is the solution. But definitely stop mining (<=1TH/s) and wait for hardware companies are mining all, it's not.
I have seen a group buy can reduce more than 10% the price of the hardware. It's not a solution, but it's a start aid :)


I'm doing this just for fun and nobody pays me. But if Spondoolies want to have a detail with me, I love red cars with a black horse logo ;D ...just kidding ::)

That would be true if this was actually a group buy. A group buy would mean 1 guy buys a bunch of hardware and distributes it.

This is simply a sale with all sales being redirected towards SP basically no different than ordering from their website. If anything this just adds a bit of inconvenience having to order through this guy instead of directly from the website.

If this was a real group buy then they would get bulk pricing which someone said was $2500 per sp30.

WHat GB is this?

It's not a group buy. You are ordering from spondoolies tech.

I don't work for SP-Tech, but I like to help honest companies with good products. Also I don't hold any monopoly over the GBs so OP is free to negotiate what price he wants.


Nobody will buy inefficient AM gen3 chips if SP-Tech will offer 0.41$/Gh so careful what you wish.

There are zero cost savings involved with organizing a group buy this way.

$5,095 - $4,400 = $695 savings

Thread is about ordering SP30s in a group (bulk / volume) from Spondoolies Tech right?

This will allow for a greater discount correct than the stated prices on the SPtech site?

Where is the problem?

Can the OP clarify for me?

I don't need the others to give me their opinions I want to hear from the leader of this "group buy".

Thanks

(Note: $4,400 is ok but I want deeper discounts for September personally. Can we get an idea of numbers of units. Like the first GB there were targets for greater discounts. If we pool together here and get 50 units or 100 units we should see great savings.)

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Jimmy can you just let the OP Answer... I want to hear him either be clear or hang himself with the information. Your crosstalk and agenda driven comments not helping me at all make a choice on whether I want to buy another 2 or 3 SP30s. I understand your view. I want to hear from the guy running this buy not you because I can check the spondoolies tech website and cross reference things without your input.

@RoadStress Thank you for your help : )


Yes, it is :)

Yes, as much as possible we can get

I commit myself to inform ONLY the actual prices negotiated directly with Spondoolies. At the time this was 8 units ($ 4,400) now have 14 16 units and the price will be lower : )

Thank you for your clarifying message Bicknellski

Hi,

Depending on when you need the payment or deposit, I can buy 4x and maybe more.

Thanks for setting this up!

Thanks for the clarification... so it drops as orders come in... no "goal setting" but you will inform us as orders come in and then tell us all when / if price drops.

If the price drops low enough, I might have to actually take part in this. Just have to figure out a noise solution.

The SP30s are supposed to be quieter than the SP10s...  how much quieter I'm not sure.

You can't trust marketing, no use speculating until they are in the wild. They said SP10 wasn't too bad either ...

It's supposed to be quieter because of the bigger form factor allowing for larger fans.  I read in the Spondoolies-Tech thread that they measured it at 68db as opposed to the SP10 coming in at 74 (might have been 72)... at any rate, the measured difference was not very large.  Of course, with the larger fans, perhaps there won't be the high-pitched whining quality to the sound.  At any rate, if I do purchase one, it's going to have to be hosted.  I don't have the power to drive one of these at home... well, I *could* run heavy duty extension cords all over, but the little lady would have my head if I tried that one :)

It's absolutely not clear to me WHY Spondoolies-Tech would take this "bad way" in marketing/sales/customer-care/customer-service/image/reputation/... instead of offering a PUBLIC discounted price for EVERYBODY ... also because it's pretty clear that SP-30 4nor SP-15) are not selling too much at this round and at this price...

About the "time-saving": bullshit. You're adding more and futile workload and a more complicated "procedure" with this GB instead of using THEIR WEBSITE (+ coupons maybe) or thousand of other smoothier solutions...!

@SPONDOOLIES Would you like to offer only X machines at a discounted price, let's say 20?? ...just emit 20 coupons accordingly and fian a viable solution to distribute/give them to your customers... doesn't it seems more transparent or logic??
Let's say a raffle would do the trick... the "raffle-mantainer" would have his reward and ALL the rest of "players" would clesrly see how things run & where and whu the PROFITS GO...

Finally... PLEASE, an official reply from Spondoolies-Tech on this *newbie's (w respect) thread about their hardware would be REALLY appreciated!   :)


Regards!
-akw-

@anykeywhy  
to be a senior user, you are a bit rude... (w respect)


for the umpteenth time...if you want to discuss about the company you have other threads, this thread is ONLY FOR GROUP BUYERS

How is he being rude?

His point was spot on.


Again this is not a group buy even if you want to call it one.

Why won't spondoolies just offer $4400 on their website? What about everyone who paid $5100?

Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Mining > Hardware > Group buys

jimmothy I suppose because they do not waste time and money on getting customers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
Anyway ask them [email, oficial web form, that other thread such as https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.0 ]

But I repeat, this thread is only for A GROUP BUY.
If someone believes there is a better product, you can buy it :)

If anyone thinks that SPTech should sell at another price, You can write and suggest it.

If anyone thinks that I will not make this group buy, he is roundly wrong :)

I do not try to convince anyone. If somebody have any questions about this buy group/purchase/deal, I will be happy to answer :)

...I can't see any answer on the above (w too much respekt!) ... this + your Jr Member level are often and unfortunately sympthoms of "bad behaviors" ... with respect (but to ANY OTHER Forum members this time...)

Then, you can reserve 457885 units if you like to write random numbers...

P.S.:
I spoke w Guy 3 weeks ago (last time in person) so... WHAT are you trying to tell us with your "news"!?

Cheers!
-akw-

This thead seems a little bit strange...

@ROADSTRESS why you don't have this guy's "advantages", since you're running SP-Tech GBs from quite a long time??

Cheers!
-akw-

Just because you made a thread in the group buy section doesn't make it a group buy.

Just call it what it is, a forum exclusive sale.


I am afraid you don't understand economies of scale. This is just an inconvenient way to order directly from spondoolies. There are no bulk savings involved with this because it is exactly the same as preordering from spondoolies website only a lower negotiated price.

This is just a clever marketing scheme.

@anykeywhy I think you do not understand because you do not want to understand...or that I have explained bad. I hope it's the second option  ::) Don't repeat and re-read firstly please.

I have a lot of patience, I'll explain all your doubts, but it is not necessary to repeat the messages :)

As far as I know, RoadStress units are shipped in August 2014 and are depleted.
For this reason, I have organized a new buying group for the units to delivery in September.

News about this group buy negotiation.


you are right to distrust, I would do you the same. For this reason I want SPTech receive the funds directly.

Anyway, due to mistrust of some users, I will propose an independent escrow to SPTech, but they have had more and big orders than ours and have not problems. I did not want to explain this because SPTech not use escrow system so far and they may not want complications.

I prefer answer to you now that the arma dei carabinieri after :)


Group buy Price:  29 units
Web site Price: Undetermined <29

Many buyers can not afford website price or can not buy SP-30 at that price and prefer buy Antminer just for a lower difference in the price/color/flavour/whatever you want


Maybe it is. But my goal is only pay less for the same product. With that I am satisfied :)

I explain to you again with software licenses:
Do you really think Microsoft licenses are sold at the same price to a particular customer than a big company customer?  :D

Different fans and PSUs rated at lower dB I believe. That is the thinking. If you don't have a segregated space your wife is going to kill you having this thing ramped up in the living anyhow. Like the rest of the world Datacenter it.


Also any news on price being dropped again?

I will be in HK for the conference OP. It would be great to meet up if you are going.

We take the risk with a group buy and are confirmed. I don't think it is fair to "raffle" it. When you do volume orders, they give a little discount. The website are for those that don't do the research, take the risk, and do the effort.

Yeah, like me who just bought one with 3 months hosting today.  Am I dumb(flames are welcome)?  I was going to buy another but if we have a group buy option I'm good for another.  Any danger of them selling out before we get our ducks in order?

Those bulk savings are nonexistant because each order is given directly to SP and shipped individually.

There would be bulk savings if you paid for 50 units, had them shipped all on a single pallet and distributed them to people near you.


I am glad you negotiated a lower price, but it would be much better if they would offer the same rates on the website (and to everyone who preordered september batch). I wonder how many people paid $5100 instead of $4400.

My post lower down got buried again... any news on better prices now with 29 33 units reserved to date? Or is radio silence declared until after Hong Kong? And if anyone wants me to ask Guy anything including you Jimmy please PM me. I will do my best to get you answers as I will be at the panel with some of the major mining players in crypto Crypto Currency Mining: A 360 Industry Perspective (http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/hong-kong/agenda.asp) in HK.  

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Rant @ Jimmy with RESPECT.

Please note Jimmy I appreciate you and your tireless support of people in these forums especially trying hard to protect them from unscrupulous vendors. I may disagree with you on SPTech but I know you have integrity, you are ethical and truthful in this case I just think you are wrong.

You can see there is a price difference from this GB to the SPtech site.

If you want to order direct and have interest in 100 units I am sure you can get a better deal.

This group buy is clearly lowering the ticket price of the SP30s. You can check with SPtech themselves if you don't think that is the case.

What is the motivation to keep saying this is not a group buy?
What is the motivation to discredit this group buy?

Honestly, what is wrong with someone trying to organize the smaller orders into a larger collective order and working with SPTech to do so?

There is nothing in that which is evil or some how illegal or fraudulent. In fact it is a good thing if you want a unit or two and don't want to pay full sticker going it alone.

We get it Jimmy you want to expose the truth as you perceive it now how about those who are keen on getting more of discount from SPTech get to talk now?

The point of the thread and I don't think it is anything other than that is to pool resources and getting a group rate on miners. Should I now go to every other AM group buy thread or small fabricator and question everyone's motives for it and what Asicminer is doing to "gouge" customers? Is that the game we are playing?

Listen if you want to fight the good fight take a look at people who have ACTUALLY stolen coins and ripped people off. This GB whoever is pulling the strings is merely collectivizing the power of individual customers and after pooling it benefits appear for those people. We need more things like this not less. I really do not see your actions as consumer activism in fact when people are actually being stolen from a great many people simply turn a blind eye and that is what really bothers me much more than the perception you have this is a 'faux' GB. Who cares if SPtech gives you a coupon or asks a community member to beat the sales drum? You do that same exact thing in the open source AM threads right?

Again you are not really helping the consumer here get the best deal. You know and I know there are fabricators right now still selling pre-orders and most likely will screw some people out of their money and waste their time with a shell game. Oh sorry you ordered later than most so we have no more boards in that flavour... how about I ignore you for 3 weeks while I build the next new board and ship those... why are you upset with me? You didn't send us an email etc etc etc... you know and I know that sort of shit goes on and yet many people who are trashing more reputable fabricators say nothing about those sort of slime ball tactics.

Right now we see what? 600$ USD off already. I want more before I hop on this train especially for a September buy. I got a great deal that you even admit Jimmy was awesome from the last GB... so I don't get the grief? If you are trying to persuade people to buy AM product this is not the way to get them over to those threads.

What is the difference between me and OP? None I say. Except maybe that OP really wants a cheaper SP30 and he is doing everything that he can to get one.

@Bicknellski jimmothy is always trying to find something to cry about SP-Tech and I get it. He has nothing else to do while he waits for his non-existing AM dividends, but here it's just a stupid argument and it only shows how bad intended can he be. The argument is moot here, but it seems that this is the best argument that he can point out against SP-Tech, unlike AM gen3 chips where there are plenty of arguments against it :)

Mine on!

Yes but the question is why? Normally group buys have cost savings associated with them. This doesn't.


Of course because there are some cost savings. Shipping a pallet or two is much cheaper than 100 individual boxes. You shouldn't get an outrageous discount like 50% off for bulk buys since this is a preorder and it's not like they are trying to get rid of stock.


This is just a negotiated deal which is fine but should be offered to EVERYONE. If you are in September batch you should pay the same price regardless of if you were unlucky enough to preorder before prior to this deal or from the website.

It is just a bad marketing scheme to have a sale this way.


What's the point? It's just an unnecessary/inconvenient extra step in the ordering process.


Yes you should if you think there is anything shady/unfair going on.


I happen to think it is a rip off to pay $600 extra because you already ordered from the website. Please let me know of anything in the open source AM thread that is even remotely unfair.


I only advocate buying in stock hardware. Preordering is gambling and to suggest otherwise is dishonest.

I think SP knew that the $5100 price for September was way too high but they chose to milk their customers for what they could get.

Buying more units opposed to buying just a couple always gets you a lower price anywhere you shop. People will still have to pay for shipping probably so the discount will come only from buying more units. AM offers the same deal to customers who buy in bulk.


You know it better since AM is shipping big overweight spaghetti monsters.

That is true for in-stock items which can be restocked. Other than saving money on shipping, where are the savings from a bulk preorder?

If they sell 1000 individual machines vs 1000 to one guy via preorder where are the savings?

Who CARES what is fucking normal? You get a discount and no one is ripping you off like Technobit does or BFL right? That is the TRUTH. Admit it. Where has this person or any GB for SPTech stolen money? Or made the customer pay a higher price or not delivered or bait n switched orders? None. There is documented theft from many many fabricators here in bitcointalk but we want push back on this GB really? I question your motivation especially given people are getting a  lower price here in this GB. If we spread the word more people will save not less. And I dare say other individual order customers have complained in the past and were given "compensation". Try and do that with Technobit or BFL or others. Not going to happen.


Good thing. So what so everyone is trying to DUMP stock. Who gives a flying fuck how they discount their product really? Look at what CarnaryInTheMine and ASICminer were doing with the USBs miners last year? I didn't see you all over those threads? Not fucking once were you complaining then or since about that fucking collusion. Shit even a little competition from my first group the Big Picture and the K1's thread lowered their costs immediately. Please if you want to look at conspiracy why not go back over the millions that were gouged out then?
 

Good we get your point of view can we now agree that there are some bigger fucking thieves out there and focus on their shit? If you have an issue with this sort of marketing email Spondoolies Tech about it and complain. Unlike Techonfuck and BigFatLiars SPTech cares what consumers think. I agree to an extent transparent behavior on sales like this would be better. But given the history of this forum and how people are still being manipulated and sold lies you want to go after these guys because you don't like the way they market?


Have you ever thought that it might be an easier step for the SPTech to secure a larger number of orders together organized for free by a community member. So that they extend their sales team out and build more good will? It is necessary. Again no one gives a shit about Canary and his close ties? Right? Seriously please.


I did. Check out the K1 Nano and the Redfury and then see what happened to the USB miner prices. Clear example of how a very small collective of people changed the prices. Now the point is NOT what we did but what you are promoting here. I don't think I need to push against Canary's practices. He did what everyone in his position would do. Get the best price. There was no hate or threats etc. We post a price he posted a lower price. This sort of thing you are doing is not helping me get a lower price in fact you are making it harder for me to get a lower SP30 price with all this crap. Respectfully your campaign here is screwing with my ability to get answers from the OP cause every other fucking posts is your opinion on this fucking GB. Seriously give it a rest or make a thread like I did to complain openly and share your thoughts there. You are hijacking this thread needlessly and against the very idea of getting lower prices for people.


Agreed. Let us spread the GB word everywhere why are you trying discredit it? Again where were you when Asicminer was basically doing exact same thing last year?


Agreed but you have said that in every one of SPTech's threads but it is ok for Technobit to do this and you praise him? Fuck me that is the height of hypocrisy. We get it no pre-orders but even you admit I got a GOOD pre-order value for the last GB? Right? I mean who would rather order from at this point? SPTech or Technobit? Me easy choice.


Shouldn't they try and get that price? Should they not try and promote lower priced GB's?

Seriously you are pissing in the wind especially when you turn a fucking blind eye to people who are promising things that they will surely never deliver on and have done it before. I will be the first to eat my hat and rail against SpondooliesTech if they so much as screw a single customer. Have they? No.

This is all said with respect. Foul language is added to express my mood with regard to those who still fucking rip people off unmolested in these forums not at you personally Jimmy again I hold you in the greatest regard and simply disagree with your assessment of this GB given all of the other people out there still ripping off the community your talents would be better spent getting refunds and compensation for people who are still waiting.

AM did the same last year with their overpriced blades. They screwed their first customers very bad with their aggressive discounts on the future batches. People haven't forgot about their marketing with the so called "auction" for the blades. Move along!

Because normal group buys had a real purpose which to cut down on costs. This is not the sales section is it?


Did asicminer sell any promises and then lower the price on those promises before delivering?

Have you ever thought that that might be bullshit? There is obviously someone at spondoolies-tech who has to check every single order and payment. Exactly the same as if you would have ordered from the website.

What is the difference between checking their websites order book and checking this guys order book? It is not like this guy is sending them a single shipping address with a lump sum of money.




Agreed. Let us spread the GB word everywhere why are you trying discredit it? Again where were you when Asicminer was basically doing exact same thing last year?

Again did asicminer sell promises and then lower the price on those promises before delivering? I understand that the usbs were overpriced but that is the case for every usb miner in history. They are a novelty or an introduction to mining which is fine.



Does technobit sell preorders? I was not aware.

As for who I would rather order from I would actually say technobit solely because they have in stock hardware (afaik). I have seen working hardware from them but I have yet to see a working sp30. If spondoolies would sell in stock hardware then I would probably go with them but it all depends on the price.


Ofcourse you should try to get as low of a price as possible. I am just saying EVERYONE in september batch should pay that price (or be refunded the difference). It is not fair to pay $600 extra because you ordered from the website.


Spondooliestech has also never sold/delivered hardware that they have not tested other than the SP30. KNC was great at preorders the first time around but look at what happened with neptunes.

If the SP30 really meets expectations then they should have absolutely no problem selling it from stock. But they would rather put the risk on the customers because they know they can get more for an sp30 today then in September.

As I asked before of the OP... 33 units pledged are we going to get more news or is it radio silence till after HK IB?


Edit: Yes you did OP... thanks for the clarification of the clarification. I am getting distracted with all the off topic crap. My bad not yours.

----------- OFF TOPIC SNIP HERE -----------

I am done playing Jimmy in this thread with you. You cut down my responses and failed to see the whole picture. You are looking at single GB when your focus has to be everything in the ecosystem. Honestly you need to take this stuff to another thread it is way off topic and deserves a FULL discussion in Hardware and it MUST include past instances of companies gouging the community and should also include a fair discussion over current habits of people on the cusp of dirty and unethical practices which may include this GB but most certainly should reflect the need to monitor people like Marto74 as well as other GBs here. All this talk you pushed here needs to moved and openly debated. I would love to debate anyone on business ethics and mining on the record. I want that discussion to be done in an open forum at say an INSIDE BITCOIN event. There are plenty of people that need to reflect on their past practices, the present practices and hopefully that improves the quality of business done. At this point pissing on this GB is the least effective way to get change. That I know I can argue successfully.

Enough with the pollution / dilution of the thread please.

We need a RALPH NADER for Bitcoin and we need a post in the hardware section that is there for all of these complaints so everyone can see what the lay of the land is... I want to question who are you trying to be Jimmy because you can't help the community at all limiting your focus this way? Seems to me you don't want to discuss what is plain to see that every company has a ghost and everyone needs to improve their game. Too many people are still being ripped off right now beyond this GB or SpondooliesTech even if I concede, which I am not, that your perspective is 100% correct you have to concede there are some bad practices in Technobit and Asicminer and others that you uphold as good brokers in the community. There are no angels in the bitcoin world Jimmy bar a few and very rarely found in miner fabricators as we all know. There are just human beings here many of whom are selfish. Some more than others. Open your eyes to the entire horizon not just where you think the sun has set you are missing a lot of details doing it that way.

I'm interested in getting one or two if the discount is good enough.

Its always better to deal with the company directly and not some out of the blue Newbie Group sale person.
For this reason the company and in our case SP must make a reduce on the prices for all.
If a buyer does not have the specific date the excact btc he looses the GB and pays more 4 days later...
No also the money to go to the company wallet then the company willl pay the GB responsible person.
I have seen with my eyes SP10 so good manufactured but expensive and since we are not taking our miners out for a walk or the the restaurant all it matters is the mine constantly and be durable.
SP has excellent quality machines but this is not enought as the Chinese find a place the work.
Also the preorder situation I dont like it at all.
In the next 4 months we dont know if another incident like  mTGOX may happen or another unpredictable
situation so how to expect the same amount of btc in the given 4 months time,
I am tempted but totally against.

Guy Corem and his team had informed me that they are focusing all their efforts on HK Conference at this time.

The subject of our purchasing group will be discussed below (when the HK Conferences was finish), with the intention of offering a better service and to reach an agreement on all the details of our deal.

surry Bicknellski, I thought I had clarified this issue in my previous post. My apologies :)

@lowbander80
I will repeat as many times as necessary, I am not trying to convince anyone whether SP30 is better or worse. : )

Simply I want to buy SP-30 :) and this thread is also for anyone who wants to buy SP-30 in the same order.

It's a win-win deal, it is a fact.
The rest is speculation and own opinion.

Sincerely and respectfully towards you, if I were CEO of any company, I would laugh if a single user tells me what should be the price of my products. If you do not like the price, simply do not buy it. I really like Ferrari cars, but can not afford one.

Do not misunderstand my comment, l'm trying to answer with the best intentions.

I mean that neither you nor anyone else can tell you what to do to a man who has put his money, his efforts and work to create a product with the best quality he could get and has been able to sell.

My comments all are with good intentions as well.
I have a shop too and sell electronics as well and when I see a material that it does not sell
even if its so good its because its expensive.
I once had an item that people came took photos and nobody ask my the price.
It was so well made that reflected the quality, as an item it was perfect made for its job intented
but as a product it was a failure as it did not sell.
With ferarris is different as there are many people in the gulf area that can buy them instantly
but with miners is different...
I want to buy a SP30 as well and if the price drops I will be tempted althought its lot of money
I wish all your good efforts come to a succesfull task and be able for all of us that commenting
to be able to buy one.
thanks for your time

very interesting ..
I follow the post, I understand things:

Are you a new forum user, you can publish your agreement with spondoolise?
For the SP30 accept escrow payment?

No they don't.

@lowbander80 thank you for being respectful with your comments.

I'm not so new, I read for a few months and in November 2013 I finally I registered.
Sure, I'm going to publish the agreement when all aspects

I going to publish all aspects of the agreement when I was finish to negotiate with SPTech and we obtain a final price.

SPTech have not used it so far (RoadStress has confirmed), but I'm going to propose an escrow payment for all us. They can accept or decline the idea. I'm sure that if SPTech accepted may sell more units (some buyers of this group, have not confidence if no escrow).

i'm happy to offer escrow at 0%fee; although any escrow decision should be mutually agreed between buyer and seller.

what i'm currently working on;

my Iceland P2Pool node is currently downloading the blockchain and should be ready Monday/Tuesday (I'm away this weekend).
my Israel P2Pool node will be compiled at some point next week, so those who have SP-Tech rigs hosted there will have the option to mine p2pool.

more nodes to follow in due course, meanwhile; see my sig for EU node.

^shameless 0% fee promotion  :P i'm an open book and all my personal info is there to see.

Hi, thanks for the replies.
questions:


I have not confidence if no escrow

If this is anything like Roadstress' group buy you pay Spondoolies directly, not the Op.

The only thing the OP took was a tiny reservation fee.

Interested in one if the prices is right.

How do you get  a price  6 units S2 =15,570 $  ?

My this month S2 orders
Date: 2014-06-03  1959 USD

Date: 2014-06-05  1949 USD

Date: 2014-06-08  1929 USD

Date: 2014-06-15  1791 USD

Date: 2014-06-17  1721 USD

Date: 2014-06-19  1450 USD

6 x S2  Total : 10799  USD  not 15,570 $

Today, you can buy the last AntMiner S2 1TH/s Miner Batch 4  at the cost of 1450 USD (https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5)

What no discounts?

Ouch.

@Topsu thank you for the info :)  But I never buyed anything to BITMAIN, and my price is the same in group order or individual buy order.

I supose if you buy one by oneto BITMAIN, you get a discount. you are a good customer of BITMAIN and they take attentions with you : ) I'm glad to hear that.

I prefer buy all my units in one time and not spend time to buy, to pick up, to pay taxes, etc every single day.


I want to clarify that I have been involved in the last group buy of S2 units of the forum and the OP said:


I do not want to switch S2 for Chinese products.

He explain to me by PM the reasons:


And then, I chose for SP30 and after speaking with RoadStress & Spondoolies-Tech.

I hope I have clarified this point finally.

Now let's focus on the purchase of SP30  :)

And I never  forget it again,   do not make non refundable orders.


Better Read This https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504530.0   here are all already been said.

Besides, this SP-30  has already been sold here  at   a bit better price and a month earlier Dispatch. Must be crazy,  to pay for the 6TH/s  in september  4.400 U$D + taxes.
Do not forget that they produced 3000 pieces per month!

@Tupsu Sorry for confusión with your nick. :-X

There is not true at all. As far as I know, they are produced 1100 units to delivery in August, and all has been sold.

Thanks for referring me to such interesting reading.

This is untrue. Plain and simple. Not even close.

You can't build an SP30 for 2.5k
What ridiculous speculation!

please I never knocked your gear or the s2 from ant miner.. fact of the matter is sept delivery is too far from now.

but both ant miner and asic miner have already held up the s-3 and rk-box for 1 week as of today.  plain and simple  all three companies are playing games to max their profit.

BTW all of you should do exactly that.

 Me I will mine ltc with my gridseed blades for now and wait for something worth while in the world of btc.

Spondoolies-Tech  June 10, 2014, 06:56:54 AM

Link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.2900

i am waiting for confirmation of GB.
so you inform by email or by PM,
i had sent you pm last night

I think the 1100 units in August is closer to the truth. 3000 units are for September.

There must come big price drop. Who will buy SP-30 in October of $5,000 ?
That why it is necessary non-refundable  preorders.
I do not like this way.

This buying group is having a great reception!! : )

76 units reserved to date

thank all of you who are participating!

I am assigning a number to each requested unit to help to arrange delivery of SPTech.

I will respond to your request by PM using the date and time of your request.

I encourage you to reserve more units! there are still many units aviable!!

More units involve lower price! :)

interested in 10

Agreed.

the price speculations that volume orders have sold as low as $2500 have already been rebuked by Spondoolies-Tech.
please spread your FUD elsewhere, as you are wrong.

Wise words.

Estimated Next Difficulty:   16,899,830,784 (+25.53%)

Rebuked ? You mean denied, or refuted LOL. $2500 is about the right price for a Sept. SP30 given the way the network is expected to go ballistic between now and then.

I would be interested in this but the price is still too high in my opinion. We are talking about September, which is 2 months away.

Also, please remember, almost every bitcoin manufacturer turns to the dark side. I'm not saying SP-TECH will, but every company I know went greedy crazy on us and started pulling bullshit moves and everything just turned into how much money can they suck out of us and as customer service dropped. We'll have to wait and see.

Is it August yet? I lay hands on the SP30 today at the SPTECH booth it was packed with looky loos and I got to feel the heft of the psu's. Seems there is plenty of interest from partipants for SP30s and beyond. Panel tomorrow will be a fun one. There is a lot of mutual respect among the panelists and I dare say there is also some sense that there are many benefits to more collaboration across the mining community particularly East West.  Inside Bitcoin Day 1 here in HK has shown me that there is more opportunity in mining than just the ROI. We should be supporting a range of fabricators that work tirelessly to give us units. I am a happy Bitmain and SPTech customer and I'll be looking at Rocxie as well. Very deadicated teams.

have fun mate, wish I was there to hear it all.

After I report back to my mates about all the meetings I've had I will certainly write something up regarding the opportunities available. Plenty of exciting aspects mining wise but also, pool, exchanges, cloud mining and even derivative trading. But after spending a few minutes at SPTech booth if you are a 1st time customer all the hype is true. These guys are building some of the best equipment by far... their chips are way out front as well only whatever Bitfury has in the pipeline can compete with what is coming out after the SP30.  I think mining come 2015 will be a fun time for all.

@Bicknellski Thank you so much for letting us know about the impressions of Hong Kong : )

What about the guy at home? See any options for him as in old school mining or is that all changing to Internet based contracts?

Who says mining should be made by everyone? Like every other domain bitcoin mining has its players and people interested into this. It's like saying that laboratory stuff should be handled by the average Joe.

Mining should be for everyone small miner hobbyst or proffecional level.
Its the only way bitcoin will be spread to the world.

otherwise the five-seven big companies mine & keep the BtC and we just sit and wait...to be mined
and why to spend my money for something else already premined, like gold!!!

guess what will happen if miners will not be sold to ever Jane and Joe.
There are a lot lot of people that want to enter mining to see what it like and if it works
I thought also before some months ago.
I purchased a USB miner and checked the bitcoin calculator
A week later checked the mined BTC and said Ok it works for me, lets go to buy another bigger miner
and the story goes on until now
guess this way works for many others too.

very well said ...

I fall into that category, and I've only grown. I'm now at 15Th/s

up  :)

So.... anymore updates on this GB? I'm interested in 2 units for a price lower then $4400, given that that's around what they sold for Aug batch, and with the crazy diff jumps in the works now, that price should be lower for a Sept batch.

I would really like 3 for $4,000 a piece.

@bitmadrid
Thanks for organizing this GB!
I would be in for 1 if negotiated price is <4000usd, for 2 if it is around 3500+usd/sp30. Thou I do not believe we will get to those prices, because SPTech knows well they have not got much competition right now and have good quality, well manufactured miners and are so far the only company possibly delivering 6th in Aug/Sep in one neat box...

Anyway, thanks for hard negotiations with SPTech and let me wish you good luck!

IMO this Forum's Group Buy was the core that led to their success.
We should be given a fantastic break just like last time.

IF so we will purchase multiple units.

right now all these prices are way too high...

+1 it would be great, if that would happen! Considering that we will be at or near the end of Sept delivery list with this GB, fair price would be around 3.5k usd/sp30...lets see :)

I am also interested in probably 4 units if price would be better.

Also, can anyone respond to my thread in mining support.

Yes, of course :)

All those who are really interested in buying, should send me a PM which I respond to them with your unit order number. PM me with the followings please:
- Your nick;
- Number of units;
- Escrow system: Yes/Not/Don't mind.

The final price will be reported on next week.

pics....pics...(girls) er sorry distracted...pics of miners please etc

Searing

I didn't take a single picture at the conference.

The SP30 is well documented already on the SPTech page without chips in it yet. I did see videos SP10 boards in Novec vertical configuration bubbling away very beautifully not seen that video pop up anywhere yet.

news?
can you post the email with spondoolies?
Do you confirm this group buy that a user spondoolies forum?
We would like greater clarity before sending bitcoins ..
Thank you for what you do ..

be nice to see Spondoolies confirm this GB

and I wouldn't send any payment/money/BTC to anyone unless it's through Spondoolies Tech shop.

Believe it is all data goes to SPtech and sales are directly through them.


"The list will be forwarded to Spondoolies Tech so that you can arrange payment afterwards."  - bitmadrid

+1

Spondoolies should interact/confirm this thread as soon as possible, especially after about one month this is running...

Please, stop repeating what stated on OP as a mantra... since ANY news was added up , ALL the users are legit to ask for more consistent/trusteable infos, proofs or references... and maybe to not be considered as unable-to-read-a-few-simple-repeated-words... that would just be another simple form of "respect" and trasparency... shouldn't we all be "on the same boat"?  ;)

Thank you & Cheers!
-akw-

Not repeating the MANTRA... the information about how the GB is handled in the OP. As for checking with SPTech... For ASIC purchase please contact sales@spondoolies-tech.com.. Simple enough... because Spondoolies Tech has asked people to check with them on anything sales like in that manner as there have been a number of scams in the forums etc. I suggest people use that email to get clear confirmation and not expect a post to be the definitive answer. Email is much better. If you are giving information to this GB leader before you do that you are not doing yourself any service. If you are simply asking and not PUSHING people to go and check at the source via email or doing that on your own I wonder the motivation? I am interested in buying and I want to hear about prices. As for verification. Before I send anything I am going to check with SPTech before I send any information to anyone.

...so, it's still too much if some user keep kindly asking for an official Spondoolies-Tech's reply on this thread...??   

(They did it quite often in the others GB pointed to their business/machines... we all know this!)

All the rest would only be an obvious repeating of obvious things... ...time is passing anyway for everyone...!

Cheers!
-akw-

For ASIC purchase please contact sales@spondoolies-tech.com

Not about being polite or anything else. You can like me email SPTech directly. That is how you protect your own ass.

It doesn't take more than a minute to send an email to get an answer.

If you want SPTech to reply here add that to your email... right? Simple solution for anyone who is keen on actually ordering anything anywhere from anyone.

Don't be a victim always check with the source.

Dear -akw- Guy Corem (CEO of Spondoolies Tech) knows this group buy and I have already contacted him and his sales team to reach agreement and resolve all doubts of this group buy.

This is SPtech's official account and they already reply in this thread:



I hope to confirm the final price along this week and close the details of delivery and payment before July 20.

Thank you to all who are participating : )

I just want to remember that you can still ask for more units :)

I am assigning a number to each requested delivery unit in strict order according to the date and time of the request for each buyer.

I going to respond to all PM of buyers as soon as I can.

Cool, interested to hear when you have a finale discount worked out  :)

This thread was opened on June 17th, we're on July 2nd right now and we still don't have an exact price on this? Looks like by the time anything is finalized, this batch might sell out too.

We need news difficulty rises prices are droping its not a walk in the corner buying the correct miner whitout loossing money
Share with us please

Manufacture maybe hesitant to reduce prices?

Fine line... look how long it took Bitmain to release the S3 pricing. My benchmark was the August group buy price. That is where I would pull the trigger.

Price needs to be below August GB... ;D

The final price will be adjusted after the second week of July for adapt as much as possible to the level of difficulty :)

I await to see your outcome ... the original GB price is already ONLY just below their September sales price ...

I might be interested in one sp30 if the price is right.

Same here.

Pending that you can get around 4100 with 150+ units, I'll put in for 1 SP-30.

I think the attraction for me could be a good deal on hosting together with SP-30 at a discount.
I am surprised that this is not being raised. The original GB had a hosting option. No facility in WA wants to host hundreds of Sp-30 all in one deal?
I believe that this is what needs to be arranged, but price has to be based on WA electrical rates, NOT on expensive electrical rates.

News ?

?!

So those who pay 16 Cents per KWH are severely disadvantaged?

Do you work for the company?

I am not sure re disadvantaged. If someone has higher electrical rate, they have to compete on something else.
I speak only for myself.

Well, as long as hosting price for SP-30 is at or below $190/mo with 208V/220V/240V available (if Sp-30 is 2.5kw) with 6mo (not 12!) minimal requirement, I think that many people would support this by choosing SP-30+hosting package. I am surprised that nobody arranged this kind of a deal yet. $290/mo in the original GB is an overpay for hosting considering the electricity cost of 2-3c/kwh in that area and SOMEONE in WA should take the initiative to make a better deal that would be beneficial for everybody.

Smart data centers will take advantage like everything else in this industry and over price their hosting options because they are aware most people at least in the US can't plug one of these SP30's in your home without high consideration on electrical resources and heat. I've asked several data centers how much they would charge to co-locate an SP30 and all three places quoted me over $350/month. Seeing that is highway robbery, I can only see people with the means that have free electric and cooling getting these SP30's. I remember running my SP10 in my office when it was 60 degrees out and the next morning the office temperature was 104 degrees. I couldn't even imagine if I addded an SP30 into the mix.

Power is not nearly the only cost, infact only accounts for about 60% of the cost of most colocation. You need cooling, building (rent / mortgage + maintenance insurance etc etc), staff and all the rest that goes into opperating a 24/7 active facility. Adds up very very quick when people only look at pure power costs.

Fair enough and your calculations are nearly exact for an SP-30 at 16 cents per KWH...

My point-exactly. A smart business man in the central WA could make it work for $190/mo for SP-30 with a HIGH profit margin, perhaps slightly less profit margin in Kansas or elsewhere.

I know this is a little off topic, but no group buy info has been released so.....


what then is a good price to co-locate an SP30, with Internet access of course.

Some info available on the H/w Hosting Directory & Reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0 several people have SP10s hosted by various companies. Hosting prices vary from country to country.

use escrow

IF the group buy comes off, he should do the same as Roadstress did with his group buy ... hand all the information over to Spondoolies and let them take the orders directly ... so you deal directly with them, not him.

For lots of reasons, I wouldn't borrow money to buy miners.

if this group buy goes down i'm in for 2 SP30s. i'll be buying them anyway if it doesn't. but the group buy would be great.

anyone figuring how much BTC/day for one sp30?? my crude calcs say around .2BTC/day per sp30 without counting electricity.

Today 6TH/s earns 0.18 BTC/day. 2 months from now (about 6 difficulty increases), which is the earliest you can expect it, not even close to that. And if you don't see it until the end of September, add another 2 difficulty increases on top.

Ok,

maybe we can think just in terms of ROI, when I look at all the different ASIC machines, sha or scrypt. they usually pan out to about 90 days until ROI.

anyone know what to expect with the sp30? I've figured it would be a less but, like you said that's at current diff

When calculating ROI, don't forget resale value of the machines.

When will the final price be posted ? Possibly interested in 2 depending on the price

Quite some time has gone by and I'm surprised that September SP30 is still at the same price. Tack on $300 for shipping and that will never break even. I thought as more time went by, the price would be lowered so they could sell more. I guess the newbs are really out in full force out there just buying everything up they can. I'd like to be there when the newb tries to plug it into his house and the breakers keep tripping and everyone is scratching their head.

The most you'll make with an SP30 is about $3040. That's about as much profit you'll be able to suck out of it. That's my opinion of course and hope everyone make more. And all that is over at least a 6 month to a 1 year period at least. And I guess if you buy multiple SP30's its all the same as if you bought once. Since ya gotta pay it all back first, then maybe a satoshi will slip in there couple years later?

Explain...

How could you only make that much over a long time? I really can't see the diff and electricity cost overtaking the $ generated a day with 6th anytime soon? Even if the margins get slimmer and slimmer, you should still be making $ and after its paid off its all profit...

Kinda of an odd question...but the sp30 is 220v and has two power supplies....as long as I'm setting up outlets and use two surge protector strips?

or would I be better off running each power supply off a diff circuit (ie 2 sep 220v circuits) (ie probs with one 1/2 the sp30 will hash? does it even work that way?)

or just have one 220v plug...stick the ISOBAR 220v triplite surge bar on that and plug the 2 plugs off the sp30 into that all one 220v circuit

or hell either way works?

just wondeirng wtf got the wire and the distance an't so far as to do 2 individual 220v plugs to the miner

I'm in the USA by the by

Searing

The SP30 can use 220V, yes, but isn't limited to that. The product page says the input can be 90 - 264 VAC.

20amp breaker will do 2400w. 2500w might trip it.

simple solution is to plug one plug into one circuit and one into another, maybe with a thick extension cord.

Powering one of these in US residences will be tricky at best.  The optimal solution is if you've got a 240V / 30A circuit, which would supply 5760 watts continuously (80% of 7200), so you could drive 2 on that circuit.  Otherwise, you're going to have to get creative.  The typical household breaker is a 120V / 15A, which will give you 1440 watts continuous power (80% of 1800).

With the SP10, the firmware limits the PSU (but you can override it).  I'm wondering if the same will be available on the SP30.  Again, basing this on the SP10, the typical limit of the AC2DC is 1260 with DC2DC set to 62.  This might be different on the SP30 because of the different PSUs in the unit.  Anyway, what I'm getting to is that if you want to run this in a US home and do not have the 240V / 30A circuit, you're going to basically fully utilize 2 standard 120V / 15A breakers to power a single unit.

So, if you've got the space in your breaker box, your best bet would be to get in touch with an electrician and have a dedicated 240V / 30A breaker installed along with a NEMA l6-30 outlet, and then getting a decent PDU to plug your SP30 into.

If you are going to use on 110V, 20AMP will not be enough. These beasts are proven to provide as much as 1400W per PSU. 1200W is nominal for 6TH/s, as 1000W is for SP10's 1350 GH/s.

I assume you would be willing to overclock it, at least in the beginning, so consider having your wiring capable of handling some 2800-3000 watts. If it is 110V, you will need 30A, on 220V you are looking for 15A.

https://tradeblock.com/mining/a/01f9d26243


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.80

I gear blah blah when I read those old articles

You can buy 6 TH worth on S3s delivered in a week for ~$5000. I expect the sp30 will have a price drop once in production. Probably around the 3995 mark.

will likely use this (medium speed) for days under 90F and humidity is manageable...if like last year out of the 30 to 45 days I may need to cool (maybe 10 or 15 with a/c unit)  it was over 90F and high humidity might have to use the backup plan in another window a window 12k a/c unit my brother gave me but def will need some good air flow for majority of this time line.

so would use this (likely at med speed or i'd blow the bug screen off on my basement windows with screens) has a thermostat try to limp by on most days

https://www.acwholesalers.com/Broan-Bath-Fans/35316-Attic-Fan-Gable-Mounted-Powered-1600-CFM/31288.ac?gclid=CJKos93Lt78CFTRMMgodIFYA8A

and then likely something like this also might work if I really needed to push it

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4246/17578.jpg

actually the above link may make more sense with the sp30 design

that and a real 'emergency' backup wall a/c unit 12k in another window in bsmt should be a fail safe .the a/c unit i could take that foiled coiled 16" a/c flexible ducting and put it in front of ac ..over the ceiling so the opening to such dropped straight down on the sp30 (hey if it kicks up eff enough and pays for this a/c being on so be it) but the a/c unit would only be a last ditch effort if it was like a ludicrously hot/humid day and I had no choice but last aug in this area we had between 10 to 15 days as such in aug/sept ...so best to be safe

right now hoping the fans above and such would be enough

but again my logic in all this is I get the Titan in Aug and the Sp30 in sept...so...Oct onward I should be in much better shape and if for example I can
get these units past and end of life (EOL) of say jan/feb...they heat the house should it be worth it to mine coin then?

or so my logic went

my price per kwh is 0.15c so co-locating coulda worked but with shipping of the sp30 and likely better rate for 6 months 100 buck setup costs etc

well if I pull off my way I'll save (remember the a/c unit is working and free should i need it for above) even with equip maybe as much as 1K vs data center costs
and whatever frigging 'heat' benifit to the house as an extra after oct

but yeah next year I can't see equip as an option anymore it will all be commercial at that point.....paying say fall of 2015 12k for a miner that can mine say 3 btc lifetime due
to difficulty increases / PH farms / etc.... well www.coinbase.com will look like a better option by far....so if any miners next year gonna be itty bitty cute beasties
go the coward route and hoard and buy...heh :)

anyway my take on stuff

(note: I am often wrong and refused to admit such)
Searing

 

but each power supply is separate 220v plug ...so I would need 2 220v breakers 1 for each plug that wold be 1250w so I should be good that way if I put one on each breaker ie 1 for each power supply 220v circuit that is

I could run I guess from what I've read both on 2 120v circuits but I have to run the lines anyway

to expand below (my convoluted logic)

here is an online calculator the below using BOTH of the power supply plugs to 1 220v circuit 20amp ..even that should work fine I get this

http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/volts-watts-amps-converter

220v 2500 watts is   11.3636 amps

So a separate 220v 20amp circuit for EACH of the power supplies on the sp30 for one of the two according to the above calculator link I'd get this

220v 1250 watts  5.68181 amps

http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/volts-watts-amps-converter

if I ran both on above calculator at 120v/20 amps I'd get the following

  220v 1250 watts 10.4166 amps


so anyway looks to me I should just run both of the power supplies on an individual 220v breaker 20 amps probably using this on each of the lines to be safe

triplite isobar surge protector 220v from amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-ISOBAR4-220-Protector/dp/B00006HZ4N

and all should be well?

unless you really should run this beastie with both power supplies on the same circuit? I guess it looks pretty obvious above in that
I have the space on the breaker box and it is right next to this breaker box...not too much work

or am I missing something here as mr. obvious? ie is it still better to run the above on 1 220v circuit (both power supplies) even considering the other choices?
ie I'm over thinking this and all will work ok on a 20amp 220v breaker regular 220v plug/line again both power supplies same circuit

seems like 2 wire runs is better but again wtf to I know

Searing



ok just saw your post see my above posting ...again if you are correct then 2 220v 20amp circuits (one for each psu) should be adequate

again I could really be missing the boat here)

1400 watts each psu (each on its own line) at 20amps would be using this calculator

http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/volts-watts-amps-converter

220v 20amp would be 6.36 amps per circuit (ie 2 of them)

anyway comments welcome thanks for the help ....corrections? I'm clueless?

Searing

Dear Thomas (FlashySan),

What is the suspect if I told you TWICE that I do not want to be involved in payments?

The main reason for our discount is saving management costs for SPTech.

Please do not disturb to SPTech sales team if you're shopping at our group. If you do, they lose their time in a personnel reply to you. Please do not disturb or FUD this Group Buy.

If you want to buy directly SPTech, you're free to do.
If you want to buy in our buy group, as well.

I do not have to convince anyone of my honesty because I will not have access to money/BTC from anyone in this group buy.


I hope I have clarified your doubts ... for the third time.

Anyway, just in case:

Excuse me FlashySan ;D No problem
Just an honest deal and I do not want anyone to think that this is a fraud.

Volume discounts are a fact as you prove with your email from the sales team.


Gadi Glikberg said to me the same thing about 'group sales' in his first email (when we already had a superior order to 100 SP-30  :D ).

I hope to agree on the final price asap with SPTech.

165 units of SP-30 are 891-990 TH/s I would not want to change supplier at the last minute  ::)

$3,000 would be the sweet spot come delivery time.

Any news on the FINAL price per SP30 ? Thank you very much.

According to SPTech, I hope to set the final price on July 15 based on the difficulty of the moment.

I do not want to waiting more for processing our order to avoid delays in our units.

Sweetness!!!

waiting for the final price..

Problem is investing money now and getting return of investment when??? if losing 3 month ex:

1500X4=6000$ for 4 units 1A 1T miners today and start mining now by the time spoondoolies deliveres the money you get your money back and profit.

Bitcoin mining time is money

The 6TH sound great, but the hash rate in September using conservative difficulty increase will be no more that 2.5TH today!
But I must agree that the SP is one of the few really professional machines out there for larger scale deployment.

UP!

Last hours to order in our Group Buy : )

What do you mean, last hours? Do you expect us to order, without knowing the price?

Are you insane?
Specify price first.

i haven't posted yet but i just need to know what the deal is so update soon please

tomorrow final price?

You don't have to send coins at this point, we are all hoping for sub4k with free shipping/1mo hosting. Otherwise you may see a lot of people drop out here.

This group buy of 1petaHash will raise diff by 5%. Crazy that a petahash is such a small percentage now...

isn't the hash rate over 100 PH/s, so 1 PH/s wouldn't even raise it by 1%

Oops, totally. I meant 0.5%. I figured by the time these were delivered we'd be around 200 PH. We are at 126PH.

Silly little decimal points :)

I, too, am looking forward to seeing what kind of a discount bitmadrid is able to secure with Guy and the SP-Tech folks.  Here's to hoping it's under $4000.

Just in case this works out Ok with a good price, stick me down for one.

Fingers xx'd.

Well I've been in here since the beginning and I still don't know what the price is.. I know there was an email with speculation but i don't remember any solid pricing being discussed.

Sent you a pm with my info for 1 unit.

I've also been following this thread since the start.  Initially the post stated bitmadrid was aiming for a $4500 price point.  Obviously he's come down some since then, but there has been no definitive price point set yet.

OMG  :D
last hours ... to reserve units in our buying group.

Firstly we have to know how many units we want to buy.
After that We can fix a final price agree with SPTech.

Price evolves according to this rough graph (aprox.):

http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/07/14/140714110406658130.png

This is a joke right?

Seriously? perhaps, you don't know how to read a graph that says that at 175 machines the price is unknown (between zero and $2000).
This is what is on your graph.

It is a rough approximation.

If SPTech want to sell at 1000$ we will buy 175 units.
If SPTech want to sell at 1500$ we will buy 175 units.
If SPTech want to sell at 2000$ we will buy 175 units.
But...if SPTech want to sell at 4500$ we will buy 0 units aprox, because no ROI.


Law of supply and demand.

I announced "I hope to set the final price on July 15 based on the difficulty of the moment.."
but many people want to give me his/her opinion on the price by PM.  ::)

I know the price we want to pay (the minimum).
SPTEch know the price you want to sell (the maximum).

If negotiation is not over I can not roll the dice and give a price. Please keep patience, I said 15th July.

so i am not in yet, what do i need to do? wait for anouncement

how do i reserve?

Hi  rodeoclownicp :)


Enlighten me :)

ok will do tonight is that ok

This makes absolutely no sense.

So basically you are going to exclude people randomly according to what you consider a "good deal"?

Will you be trashing the entire "group buy" when the final price ends up more than $3800/sp30?

Your estimations are so far from reality why should you decide how many units the group buys? (production costs of an sp30 are probably more than $2000)

Anyways if you do manage to negotiate the price down to $0 per sp30 count me in for 200.

I will buy 30 units, if you negotiate $1000 for SP30.

I am serious, will PM you. If anything changes, I keep the right to refuse my reservation.

Randomly? OMG...
Have you really thought about that?
Or I have not explained well, or you have misunderstood me.

This is worse than explain that is 'capitalism' in Venezuela...

The group decides (not only I) how many units to buy; based on strong criteria, such as Difficulty or some than I'll explain.

Many buyers have told me (invented numbers for this example):
 "if the value is 5000$ I want 1 unit.
if the value is  2500$ I want 2.
if the value is 1000$ I want 5."

Someone has to spend around 5k, but fixed costs are diferente (delivery cost per unit, VAT/taxes, etc).

Due to the amount to units is directly proportional to the final price.

Well, and now value Vs Price:
The final price (value) of any miner is not define by the production cost of the product. The final price (value)  of SP-30 is due to the ROI and  profitability.

When a miner is not profitable, it stops producing. But the production cost is the same.
Price is the money that you pay for something (albeit junk).
Value is what I'm willing to pay for it (considering the ROI and profiability).

The value per unit is what I am negotiating.

I hope I explained it right this time : )

Feel free to do so.

SPTech know your offer and will be free to reject it :)

So how much are these things going to cost?

As soon as I can fix a price per unit (in the next hours, I hope), I will publish it in the first message of the thread. Please keep patience : ) I said 15th July.

I have faith in you my friend! Make sure you get hosting prices as well. Some of us will want hosting given taxes last time we imported from sp. Also where is the datacenter located given all the unrest in the region?

Who cares what the value is because spondoolies doesn't. 6TH in September is not worth $5400 or even this special negotiated price of $4300 (price undetermined)

Why would anyone commit to a preorder without knowing the price? That's just adding an extra layer of gambling.

So will the entire group buy be canceled if the price is above $3800? (as the graph suggesta)

Spondoolies, why not cut the bullshit and just offer everyone in September batch the best price possible?

Even with $3800 it will never ROI. For getting an ROI the price must be at $3000, that without considering shipping cost and local taxes. Dont say the bitcoin price will increase bullshit, if you are sure about the price increase then buy bitcoin directly now using the same amount, will give you more return.  The mining game is over unless the manufactures understand what is an ROI for the buyers, now they want to dig the gold with their own shovel.

The following difficulty increases will be higher than the past couple of ones as neptunes started to ship, more than 1000 SP10 and SP30's will be address to the network in no time.

Not saying its any ones fault, just sharing my thoughts..

https://tradeblock.com/mining/a/8650cc05ef

we will no longer see 42% inc/month. 60 ph is 10,000 sp30s. per month.

Are you sure your magic crystal ball is working?

Are you forgetting spondoolies goal of 5,000 sp30/month?(soon to be 5,000 sp50/month) Or asicminers huge production capacity? Or megabigpowers "up to 50ph/month" franchising program? Or 21e6's secret mining operation? Or bitfurys 20MW mine? Bitmain? Avalon?

The list goes on..

haha... if he somehow negotiates $1000 for a Sept delivery SP30 I'll buy 100+. No joke.

 ;D ;D ;D

Does everyone wanting these units have 220v+ to power these things? I run all my miners at 110v (USA), and the SP10's were doing about 1.2TH/s on 110v (1200w) vs the 1.4Th/s+ (1250w) advertised (which is on 220v+).

The SP30's were originally advertised as 5.8Th/s, I believe, before they changed it to 6Th/s even (probably due to the -/+10% variance). We'll probably be lucky to get 5Th/s out of these things at 110v.

Anyone's thoughts on this? It would be worth a lot less to me loosing 1Th/s.

There are usually 15 and 20 amp circuits... 15a = 1800w 20a = 2400w

This machine will probably trip a 20a circuit... If I end up getting one I will have to use one plug from two circuits

Voltage matters (higher efficiency and more stable power). Its not just about the amps. I recently had my house updated to 300A total due to a recent fire caused by all my mining gears (overloaded the main meter) and I had six 20A breakers installed just for mining.

The SP30's come with two server PSU's, so you can split them between two circuits, but the voltage has a big impact. You can check the SP10 threads, no one on 110v get's anywhere near 1.4TH/s. I believe the highest I remember reading about was 1.3TH/s, and that was with someone blasting the a/c right in the intake fans to keep everything very cool and stabilize the voltage so some doesn't get lost as heat, and with a lot of fiddling around with the settings.


EDIT:

Also, you should never max out your circuit breakers. Treat a 20A breaker as a 18A breaker. It's best to leave at least 10% headroom.
So it would be more like 18A * 110v = 1980w per circuit. The SP30's have two 1200w PSU's, presumably pulling 1300w each (they advertise 2500w total, I highly doubt that). So as long as you split between two different circuits, the amperage won't be an issue, but the voltage still will be.


In hindsight, I wish I had those guys install at least two 220v lines, I regret that -_-' It would've only cost me about $75 more at that time, now I would have to pay about $800 to have everything redone.

We'll see what Spondoolies announces in terms of speed and power once they get their chips and have a chance to play with them in an actual system; there's no point in needless speculation since the chips will arrive soon enough.

The currently posted specs are 6TH/s (originally 5.4TH/s BTW) at 2400 watts. Whether that 2400W comes from 110V or 220V makes no difference. All the boards see is regulated 12V; they don't know, and don't care, what the wall voltage is. I plan to use two 110V 15A circuits to power an SP30, simply because that's what I have access to.

willing to bet 10 btc on it? The diff on 8/14 is >=42% higher than today?

Sorry my magic crystal ball only sees 5 days in to the future..

What makes you think the difficulty is going to suddenly slow down?

Especially after this:

Historical Difficulty Increase
30 Day 47 %
60 Day 96 %
90 Day 183 %

Are you really willing to gamble 10btc on something that may or may not happen but entirely could?

Are you assuming that the 30PH/month from spondoolies is the only hardware that will be added to the network after august?

AsicMiner may have a huge production capacity, but the sales are damn slow. What happened with 100PH+ in 2 months?

$3,200 per unit would be a fair price giving a 90 day ROI: https://tradeblock.com/mining/a/ba679b3ec5

This does assume quite a low power / hosting charge.

The difficulty is just wrong there.

we payed for it all with prebuys and not using paypal

The first versions of the SP10 firmware limited the PSUs to 1100 watts on 110V power.  I own an SP10, May batch slow corner and I get a consistent 1.4TH/s out of it with the 1.5.2 firmware, and the tweak to remove the limiting of the PSU.  Believe me, I would love to have gotten one of the earlier ones that got anywhere from 1.5 - 1.6TH/s, but no such luck.

As for the SP30, if I do end up purchasing one, it's going to be hosted.  I've got a full breaker box, so if I wanted to get more power, I'd have to get the entire thing redone, and up my service from 200A to 300A, and then put in a few extra 240V/30A circuits and the Nema outlets.  Way more than I'm willing to invest for my mining gear.  Maybe in the future I'll consider it, but for now...

EDIT: By the way, bitmadrid, it's the 15th.  What's the final price you've negotiated?

Oh thanks for letting me know that. I didn't know they were able to do that with a FW update. That makes me more confident to get an SP30.


Bring on the price war!

Yeah... if you've got an SP10 and are running it on 110V power, you can get rid of the PSU limit.  You have to SSH into the miner and just do the following:


You can see the tech blog post here on the SP-Tech site: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog/14433873-version-1-4-2

Hope this helps... and gets you some extra hashing, too :)

Can you elaborate further?

Have you got a final price yet?  Today is the 15th.  (mouth watering)  Is there a way to split a 220 plug?  Just have 1 for my dryer and wanted to split off of that when not in use.

Yes, you can with this plug splitter http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TO7130/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks for the info, but I don't actually own a SP10, I was thinking about getting it, but never got it due to the limitation at that time.

Please count me in for the SP30 Group Buy.

Hoping for an update soon. Price here is everything. I'm surprised we haven't had an update.

We say in my country ´ship that its arrival is delayed is loaded full of shit¨.
So the longer the time passes its more unlikely we will hear any good news or news at all.
I understand that SP tech is a serious company and all it wants is to sell but want more money for its items as any healthy thinking company.
As I have read from buyers before in this thread they will spent a specific amount of money.So the less units for most money is their goal.As at today used SP10 are sold on the bay for about 2300 USD
This kind of group buy, puts pressure in the company and finally they dont make any kind of agreement,  at least with someone that is not closelly related with the company....
So am unsure if we will hear any good price at least not until the first SP30 will be delivered.
August is only 15d ays away and the previous GB buyers are anxious.
I am anxious too to see what will happen....

Maybe Spondoolies if reads this place gives us a clue of their reaction.

 

Dear buyers,

I am currently awaiting reply from the manufacturer.

I feel unable to give a final price yet.

I understand that the situation in Israel is delicate.

I hope this has no influence on SPTech.

Did they catch a missile at the plant?
Did you hear from them?
So far more then 1 dozen missiles have passed through the iron dome.

any news at all?

I'm in for 5 for the right price which I don't think will happen :(

Just got a spam mail from bitmadrid. (note the . at the end), the price quoted is too good to be  true. Please beware, he probably thought I am new to btc from my low post count.

You have just been sent a personal message by bitmadrid. on Bitcoin Forum.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

Hi guys,

I have finally had some feedback from Spondoolies-Tech.

Some great news and some not so great news unfortunately.

So starting with the great news, the price.

I now have a confirmed group buy discount price of 5.27BTC per unit inc. express shipping or 1 month free hosting.  They have stated this will be a significant saving over the normal retail price due to our early order and our ongoing support of the company.

The not so great news, availability.

They have stated they will only be in a position to offer the group buy a total of 40 units at the quoted price due to the significant demand in general for the product.

Due to limited availability this group buy will be run on a strict first come first served basis.

Should you wish to place an order the payment address for the group buy is :

1PRrbRprK35MdaugyyCR5AHYGJghghgAyH

After payment please pm me the transaction I.D, your username and delivery address/hosting option.

Thanks,

bitmadrid

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no body send this guy any BTC

Just report the user to the Mods/Admins.

Well, since Spondoolies-Tech is currently online, I don't imagine anything happened to them personally, or any of their facilities.

@hawkfish007, gotta love the scammers... I'm wondering if posting that wallet address is such good idea... oh, and definitely report to mods.

Spoondoolies should be fine, last I heard the death toll was 1 Israeli and over 200 Palestinians. I think they are on the safe side of the border.

Shame we cant get them to swap places with the bfl team

I hope you want to swap the 200 palestinians, with the BFL team :)

swap both sides for all the bfl people.  let them pay for the sins they are true scum.

This "group buy" seems weird to me. Been a month and no final price or anything? My decision on not buying hardware and just buy coin I think is the better option. I don't want to wait over a year to maybe break even anyway.

its a scam, don't send money to anyone

Report it to the mods/admins.  It amazes me that people fall for these things...

Hi!  I have a group buy thread going, but haven't posted anything about pricing there.  I am, however, writing to you in a PM to let you know about this absolutely fantastic deal!  Just for you, if you send me 50BTC I'll send you the new time machine I've created!  That's right... go back in time to visit ancient Greece, or head to Egypt to see how the pyramids were really built (let me tell you, it's not what you think ;)).

can you confirm you received my reservation

heh you can't fool me ..I need pics and docs on the so called in house "Time Machine"

you won't catch me on that pre-order scam again on my last "Time Machine"

oh by the by looking for this guy who owes me BTC from the first scam

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bKbQXVNBnIc/T1z--qrC5XI/AAAAAAAAAIU/5VM9IWCOWQM/s1600/DocHD.jpg


heh thought you could fool me twice..heh :)

Searing

P.S.

there is I have heard a legit 'Time Machine" made by BFL....but the mechanism sticks on the prototype...no matter where you set the time
machine (monarch) ....it always comes up ....." In two more weeks TM"..... so it moves around in time a lot as advertised......as a result...
.... you never actually go anywhere ...you are always just two weeks short.....although some people
say this is a 'feature' for BFL to collect fares but never have anyone who purchases such to actually get anywhere on the 'monarch
Timeline LTD TM".....I myself think this is an urban myth...who would pay money..no refund ...just to always be told ..."In two more weeks TM"?

:)

LOL lelelele

another scummer

DONT SENT BTC TO ANYONE EXCEPT THE COMPANY WITH YOUR ORDER NUMBER IF ANY...

@bitmadrid
Any news on final price ? Or are you still in talks with SPTech ? Thank you very much.

I'm still waiting a SPTech's response. I understand that there is a delicate situation in their country now.

I've said many times that you do not send money to anyone. This Group Buying will only send BTC / $ / € directly to Spondoolies Tech.

Give me a few minutes to read the latest posts.

EDIT:
I`ve been using PGP for many years. Anyone who knows how to use PGP can send me her/his public key for adding security.

I am who I say, and SPTech too, but they want to be completly sure about me :)

It looks right having a fair deal, without scammers involved but... a few days later.

I reported the fake user to the mods.

Sounds good. Do we have any word on the first sp30 batch? If that's delayed id be worried about this preorder.

This isn't for the first batch, you should be asking in Spondoolies actual thread. OP does not work for Spondoolies and has no better\more information than you or I.

Tricky. I hope nobody sent money to that fake user. The private message is from bitmadrid. with a dot at the end.

DON'T SEND YOUR MONEY TO THIS SCAMMER.

holy shit thats funny

Come on guys.  Either finalise the pricing or close the group buy.

Stop fucking about.

the second option then, definitely, sparely backed with the first... but the second one is what would fit better for the time being!   ;D

Nearly a 1 million $$$ phishing hole it appears.

So have you guys got your shit together yet or are you still messing about 'negotiating' with Spondoolies Tech?

You either have an official endorsement from them or you don't, but please let us know sooner rather than later so we can either negotiate directly, or get on with business.

the truth is he probably has gotten a hold of spondoolies and they simply are not interested esp if they are selling SP30's out the door at what is it?

$5,095.00 plus shipping which I think they quoted me to USA at $495 shipping to usa for 1 unit...? can't remember...

so if they are selling them out the door at that price..why bother with a 'group buy'  now even if the group buy has at last count I think was 176 units

likely they will do a price cut or allow the group buy say for OCT 2014 ..but again if they are selling like hot cakes...price vs group buy probably ...esp
at btc $620 usd price not really make any sense...

hopefully it comes together but the silence is deafening from www.spondoolies-tech.com

Searing

Indeed, silence is golden.

Spondoolies Tech - either support this group buy now or close it down and let's all move on.

I'm pretty sure Spondoolies said this wasn't an official group buy earlier. OP has flown the coup, this isn't happening. Move on and I hope no one gave him any personal information or sent any funds.

Sales are stopped so no more GB. This can be closed I guess.

Is it too late to place an order in the group buy? that is if it's going to happen?

This isn't a group buy it is a scam. OP is nowhere to be found.

OP is here to answer to the buyers but not answer to the FUDs  :-*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

Hi I am a potential buyer do you have any news to share or Roadstress is correct???
As we see SPtech closed the sept batch as well out of stock.
News ???

Spondoolies-Tech has discontinued sales of the September batch of SP30s because the chips they received from TSMC are under performing and do not reach the advertised 6TH/s speeds.  Spondoolies-Tech has stated this in their thread in the hardware forums, and are offering compensation for people who have placed orders.  They have not yet provided details on the exact cause, or released the updated specs for the SP30.  They have, however, stated that the October batch will indeed perform up to spec.  That is speculation on their part, assuming TSMC will fix the production issue and supply them with proper chips.

In any case, at this point there is no further sales of a September batch of SP30.  Until Spondoolies-Tech makes the announcement in their thread, and updates their website with new specs and pricing, this group buy is not going anywhere.

Bulk buy of this group remains as soon as SPTech reopen the sales.

This group buy is kept to until reopen sales with the new specifications according with the oficial published on:

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14919097-sp30-bring-up-status

Really?

I thought with the most recent news we were finally done with preorders?

Just give it up. This sad excuse for a forum sale really should have never been approved by sptech.

Please let the kind people of this "group buy" spend their hard earned money on something that won't take who knows how long to deliver who knows what.

Spondoolies will be selling sp30 from stock probably no later than September so if you really want one just wait. No need to send your nonrefundable money months in advance.

Sounds like a BFL excuse so they can mine the SP30's themselves.

I don't think Spondoolies-Tech has ever officially sanctioned this GB.  In fact, the only time they've actually replied in this post was to dispute claims that they were selling the SP30s at $2500 for bulk purchases.

Lets wait then one GB has happened why not a second one.

The first one was sanctioned by Spondoolies and their mouthpiece Roadstress. This guy is rogue on his own and basically trying to organize a bulk purchase without much success by the looks of it. If there is too be a second I would suspect it would be ran by Roadstress again.

At this point everybody is waiting for an update from Spondoolies-Tech regarding the new specs of the SP30 along with new pricing.  So far, the last update from them was "be patient, we're testing and will release results soon."

the fact that bitmadrid still has this listed as open, has not updated the specs to unknown, or updated the first post to reflect what is happening with SP-Tech's chips right now goes to show you that he is incapable of running a successful group buy.

when something is going to cost people this significant amount of money or bitcoin you should at least try and be as sales professional as you can be.

let me translate what this blog actually says:

"like always once we have your bitcoin for upstart costs and you have financed our product manufacturing we like to use the machines to mine what little profitability is left in them before we ship it to you....sincerely sp-tech"

Well, Spondoolies-Tech has officially announced the production specs of the SP30:

July, August, September batches are 4.5TH/s @ 3000W from the wall
October and later are 5.5TH/s @ 3000W from the wall

Pricing will be adjusted to reflect the change in specs.  No actual pricing numbers have been presented yet, and their website has not been updated with stock/pricing, either.

Ouch. Not good news for those stuck with 15A/120V circuits ... they're limited to 1440W each, continuous load. Trying to get 1500W out of one is asking for trouble. The original SP30 spec called for 2400W, which would have been fine for 2 circuits.

Pricing should be competitive to the Bitmain S3.

Taking big chances in a WAR ZONE....

You're exactly right... the new power requirements effectively kill off any chance of running these units residentially in the US unless you've had electrical work done.  I imagine the new power requirements will also impact hosting costs as well.  All in all pretty disappointing news from the guys at SP-Tech... losing 1.5TH/s and costing 500-600W more in power.  The numbers are still pretty good in terms of efficiency, but just nowhere near what was advertised/promised/sold.  I know the SP-Tech guys have promised compensation to those who ordered, so kudos to them for at least making an effort.

I wonder when will come the time for Spondoolies to make their own chip with the usual Israeli high tech quality now
they rely on Chinese!!!
Same problems with Bitmain started promising 500ghs and my S3 barely reach 430 Ghs!!!

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2
$3,895.00

Still waiting on compensation details tho. If it's like anything like the SP10 slow May batch, 5% off you next purchase, I'd like it applied to this GB.
 
QG

Lucky you, now you will have 2 under performing units. At-least Spondoolies is consistent :D

This seems a bit on the expensive side given new specs. Should be ~3k.

how slow was the "slow' May batch? 

If they're selling them for $3895, I'd like to see getting (3) from each of my pre-orders for the SP30.  I don't want discounts   :-\, free hosting (well maybe, that depends on circumstance)  ::) ... I want free hardware!  :o

 

bitmadrid,

Are you going to end this GB or do something?

Spondoolies-Tech SP30 - Specs: 6TH/s + 0.46W/GH

I'm in for 12 of these, who is your preferred escrow. I will release payment based on delivery date(on time) and above specs matched on my 120v circuits.

er check the spondoolies forum out...they don't recommend you run these puppies on 120v now that they went from 2500 watts to 3000 watts down
from a 'potential' 6Th to 4.5Th too boot...they say 220v....and 'prefer' you host the beaties

also I guess they up to 10% or more efficient running at 220v vs 120v as a side note

anyway check out the main spondoolies thread for more details

(hey they probably work fine at 120v just trying to be helpful here is all)

Searing

Specs were lowered. Check my sig.

Edit: Last reported unit on 110V was reaching 4.1Th/s.

OP hasn't been online since July 24th. Pretty safe to say this scam\phishing hole is done.

Maybe Roadstress is getting bored and will step up with another GB???

Yes, please Roadstress get bored. We want another GB

Then I suppose payment would not be released as the product isn't what is advertised.

I'm out. I pulled the trigger and went it alone.

QG

I assume this GP failed. Has anyone heard different?

Hi,

This is not a group buy. 

yeah imho the group buy here never got off the ground...probably because the $$$ had to go thru spondoolies to prove it was legit
and guite frankly they are so frigging busy probably took a pass on this for that reason alone

or

took a pass simply when you look at ROI spondoolies comes out up around with the antminer s3 batches right now with less electric
so why bother with discounted group orders when they are pounding down your door for the sp30 sept batch anyway imho

but yeah he should close this thread..explain what did not happen to pull it off (will help his bona fides in the future should he
...doubtful....try another group buy effort

he should pull the plug after the above explanation he gave it a shot..but spondoolies does not need the hype/press/hoopla
anymore imho..they are plenty busy enough

Searing
 

@Bitmadrid:
I have been trying to get a response from Spondoolies for almost 2 weeks now.  Have you had any trouble getting a response?  I am shopping for 3-6 machines and can't get a live person to even tell me to take a hike.  Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks,,
gpguy

Never had an issue like that.

Send another email and again if you don't hear back. Never heard of 2 week wait like that. Very odd.

If this is still going on, Put me down. I'm interested in 1 or 2 depending on price. Thanks.

Bitmadrid hasn't been active on this forum since July 24th, and this was never an organized group buy in my mind. Sponds are selling SP30s for September delivery at a reasonable price.

Move On ... nothing to see here ...

Are you sure about this:

Effective Hash Rate:   6 TH/s ± 10%

On the official website, SP30 it is described with only 4.5 TH/s ...

Ah, so thats what happen. I was getting ready to place an order few weeks ago and im glad that i have not now

Uh.. the September batch are still for sale, and Spondoolies updated their website with the new specs (4.5TH) and new price $3895 weeks ago.

September batch are now out of stock. http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2 (http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2) . This group buy should be closed

I ordered SP31 $3920 plus $300 shipped.   I have 2 dedicated 110v 20 amp, going to convert them to 220 40amp to run that puppy.



I ordered :  2 PDU 15amp cables and

122648-001 Compaq 220/ 240V Power Distribution Unit- High Voltage PDU

nice

Hi guys,
would some veteran member here care about setting up group buy for October SP31 Yukon (B1) - $3,920.00/miner @3kW ? I guess we might be able to get a better price per miner for late October than 4K ... What do you say?  Would there be any interest in GB ?
Thanks in advance.

well imho I don't think spondoolies is interested in such any longer...they are selling out at the price point they have now and this GB went no place
so it is unlikely imho that you could get one through)

welcome to try of course..but have not heard of even an acknowledgment form spondoolies this would even be considered

also found out the last group buy of 396 by roadstress....was really less then 200 cause of people not paying and a large 185 pulled order
we'd have  a heck of time getting even 200 units imho...that also may be why silence on this from spondoolies on their main thread..just an't
worth the hassle if they sell out each 1/2 month batch in less then 10 business days or so

anyway my 2c worth just saying...they probably don't need the market share anymore to prove their 'chops' to the world

Searing

I ordered 2 September Batch 1s for about $10,000 total.  But I'm getting confused with batch 2 being 4.5TH when batch one was advertised as 6.0

I've emailed Spondoolies but like others I've not had any reply yet.  Anyone know what's going on?  Are the batch ones really 4.5TH and not 6TH as advertised before?  What happened to the product page of the sold out batch 1 units? 

And if they're not going to provide what was promised, how do I proceed to get a refund?

The current delivery: SP30 (main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.6180) is at 4.5TH. They have opened orders for the next revision: SP31 (october batch) at 5.5TH.

I know what they say on the site now, but before they had the SP30s at 6TH which is what I paid for at about $5,000 each.

I'm wondering if they still plan on delivering on that and why I've not been contacted about the progress or why they took the Batch 1 down for September.

They are delivering compensation in lieu of not hitting the numbers. Contact sales@spondoolies-tech.com and ask them about it. I ordered for August GB still waiting for compensation notice and delivery. I estimated my deliver dates to fall between 20th ~ 25th of August. If you get no response in 48 hours send them another email as they are swamped with emails.

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14979953-introducing-the-sp30

The only people that will benefit from paying retail price for an SP31 are the ones that get free electricity and are adding to their already large hashing power paying for the rig from already minted coins. If you are paying out of pocket and just starting, you probably won't break even or just barely. You'll need to stay ahead of the curve, which is almost impossible since hardware is expensive and manufacturers have everyone by the balls.

+1

Always been the case... things are somewhat better than AM vs Avalon vs BFL days. There are more options. Problem is 4 to 6 months development timeline for more efficient chips results in no benefits to the end user or small customer. The days of those with a few dollars to spend on mining getting into the game is about 6 to 12 months past. Unless you are using miners for something other than BTC mining and punting on some other Altcoin hoping for it to go to the moon then as Opentoe suggests there is little value in buying miners. There is even less value in rig rentals or cloud mining and less again in derivatives or mining futures very very risky. Although Coinarch is an interesting venture check that one out https://www.coinarch.com/ where you can long / short bitcoin actually met their team in HK they do have a great financial background.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfegChSSxxY Then again just go buy some cheaper bitcoin and hang on for the yo yo ride.