No where did shadow claim it was implementing zerocoin.. you need to do your homework before you make baseless claims. Zerocoin doesn't even use zk-snarks.. lulz. You're just an ignorant troll loves to make posts.

TrangLee sucking on BobSurplus's anus. Welcome to the thread I figured it wouldn't be long until you stuck your troll node into this thread. It's no wonder you would keep repeating lies started by BobSurplus and disregard the truth. You have no factual claims to back up your lies.

The only thing that's accurate is that you have no respect for developers efforts to advancing cryptocurrency. You spend your life on a forum going from page to page wherever Shadow is mentioned into order to degrade the work being made here. You call Shadow a scamcoin yet you have no problems with your shitcoin developers forking the code. Lovely life you live and ultimately it's the reason why you're going no where fast.

That opinion is based on speculation from someone who hasn't read up on zero knowledge since 2011 (as claimed in his post). Note the reply comment after his post.

The comment is based on the assumption that zero knowledge is too young to be implemented into a cryptocurrency (the concept was first formed in 1985). That comment alone makes clear the commenter has no concept of applied cryptography. The entire concept is based on creating a scheme and putting it out for testing to break and fix it. Bitcoin is a prime example of this. Satoshi released it into the wild and since then there has been numerous fixes to the overall protocol as a result it is much stronger than it was in 2009. So, I'd love to know where the logic from that stems.

The commenter also makes the statement that a 17 year old could break it (which can be applied to anything). Again speculative at best.

What we have here is the commenter, which may or may not be you - coming to the conclusion that Shadow's developers don't possess the technical skillset to implement an advanced cryptographic primitive like zero knowledge into a cryptocurrency. For the last 2+ months the developers have been working to perfect and release it. You may call it bullshit I call it progress. One thing to note is that the commenter makes the claim that Shadow's devs could be the smartest developers currently working on cryptocurrency soon we will find out if that's true.

I'm not here to speculate with you, rather, I'll be the first one to invite you to the testing and personally watch you eat your own shoes.

Quick run through:

Coinjoin = Greg Maxwell
Cryptonote = Anon bytecoin devs
Zerocoin = ZC devs
Zerocash = ZC devs
ShadowSend = Shadow Developers
ShadowSend V2 = Shadow Developers

Above we have the leading pioneers in the privacy vertical. These developers invented their own anonymity protocols, rather than search and replace code. Their work has spawned countless clones who use their technology. Hard work vs the easy way out (forking). Instead of degrade their efforts why not contribute or create your own solution that is superior. Too many armchair developers in crypto quick to criticize when they don't have any work themselves.

Hey jwinterm,

Shadow did not invent Stealth Addresses. No where did the SDC dev team claimed to have done so. Vertcoin's stealth addresses were closed source.

Shadow did implement the first C++ in-protocol dual key stealth addresses. In fact you can use it in the daemon cmd "sendtostealthaddress" you don't need a QT wallet. The influx of coins with Stealth Addresses is a direct result of Shadow open sourcing it and has nothing to do with Vertcoin.

To everyone else:

This thread is to highlight a major advancement in cryptocurrency (zero knowledge) not mindless bash the efforts made at Shadow. But hey this is Bitcointalk and people could care less about advancements and more about trolling.

Don't make claims based on information Bob fed to you via his anus. Actually, it sounds like you're one of Bob's alt accounts or in his group from a post I saw in the other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=836324.msg9347573#msg9347573). No idiot is that stupid to believe Bob or anyone in his group for that matter.

I was never on the Cloak dev team I was helping out with the coin's community like anyone else. When I found out that the devs couldn't deliver I called Cloak out for being vapor on IRC and the forum and it got dismissed by the majority Cloak community as a FUD. Meanwhile they labeled me a ship jumper instead of facing the truth. What were you doing at that time?

The fact that you are regurgitating Bob's bullshit speaks volumes about who you really are and your motives here in this thread. Bob is on record saying that he owned 20+ % of LXC and when he was called out he decided to make up a bullshit rumor on an alt account that myself and Pookie owned a similar share in Shadow. A rumor that dipshits like yourself keep repeating.

Too bitchmade to use his own account to make his baseless accusation, kinda like you. Fact is I'm still here and no matter what bullshit of Bob's you try to throw at Shadow the tech will shine through it.

Don't come in here and make up nonsense because that's the definition of FUD. FUD is fear, uncertainty, and doubt. A term used loosely by people like yourself who don't understand the meaning of it. Responding to a post made in the DRK thread does not classify it as FUD, nor does it make it an attack against the DRK project as a whole. I was one of the first DRK miners and was a long term DRK holder I have every right to post in the DRK thread whenever I see fit.

The only crap you need to stop is your mindless trolling. This thread is about making history 24 years after Tim May posted his Manifesto. It has nothing to do with your opinion and nothing to do with Cloak, Darkcoin or any other coin for that matter. Come back when you have something constructive and positive to say about the Shadow developers efforts towards zero knowledge.

Do your homework before you throw around words like FUD:

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/stealthcoin-shadowcash-chandran-signatures-bitcoin-wizards-what-really-happened-and-why-there-is-a-reason-for-concern

By the looks of your post history you're a BitSwift investor (BobSurplus) coin and a backer of BlockNet. Sorry there aren't any pump groups involved in Shadow, just people who believe in the concept of anonymous cryptocurrency. So you'll invest in a known pump coin backed by a known scam artist (BobSurplus) yet won't invest in Shadow a coin with real developers and investors.

BobSurplus: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/robert-duskes-scamstopperscom/1324-lexington-avenue-286-new-york-10128/robert-duskes-scamstopperscom-robert-bradley-bob-duskes-robert-bradley-duskes-used-to-646481

BitSwift Dev: https://twitter.com/Coinada

The Manifesto is really prophetic:

The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto
Timothy C. May <tcmay@netcom.com>

"A specter is haunting the modern world, the specter of crypto anarchy.

Computer technology is on the verge of providing the ability for individuals and groups to communicate and interact with each other in a totally anonymous manner. Two persons may exchange messages, conduct business, and negotiate electronic contracts without ever knowing the True Name, or legal identity, of the other. Interactions over networks will be untraceable, via extensive re- routing of encrypted packets and tamper-proof boxes which implement cryptographic protocols with nearly perfect assurance against any tampering. Reputations will be of central importance, far more important in dealings than even the credit ratings of today. These developments will alter completely the nature of government regulation, the ability to tax and control economic interactions, the ability to keep information secret, and will even alter the nature of trust and reputation.

The technology for this revolution--and it surely will be both a social and economic revolution--has existed in theory for the past decade. The methods are based upon public-key encryption, zero-knowledge interactive proof systems, and various software protocols for interaction, authentication, and verification. The focus has until now been on academic conferences in Europe and the U.S., conferences monitored closely by the National Security Agency. But only recently have computer networks and personal computers attained sufficient speed to make the ideas practically realizable. And the next ten years will bring enough additional speed to make the ideas economically feasible and essentially unstoppable. High-speed networks, ISDN, tamper-proof boxes, smart cards, satellites, Ku-band transmitters, multi-MIPS personal computers, and encryption chips now under development will be some of the enabling technologies.

The State will of course try to slow or halt the spread of this technology, citing national security concerns, use of the technology by drug dealers and tax evaders, and fears of societal disintegration. Many of these concerns will be valid; crypto anarchy will allow national secrets to be trade freely and will allow illicit and stolen materials to be traded. An anonymous computerized market will even make possible abhorrent markets for assassinations and extortion. Various criminal and foreign elements will be active users of CryptoNet. But this will not halt the spread of crypto anarchy.

Just as the technology of printing altered and reduced the power of medieval guilds and the social power structure, so too will cryptologic methods fundamentally alter the nature of corporations and of government interference in economic transactions. Combined with emerging information markets, crypto anarchy will create a liquid market for any and all material which can be put into words and pictures. And just as a seemingly minor invention like barbed wire made possible the fencing-off of vast ranches and farms, thus altering forever the concepts of land and property rights in the frontier West, so too will the seemingly minor discovery out of an arcane branch of mathematics come to be the wire clippers which dismantle the barbed wire around intellectual property.

Arise, you have nothing to lose but your barbed wire fences!"

Thanks for the kind words popticu. Lots of hard work went into the design of the graphics so the words are much appreciated! Testnet should be soon, team is working on documentation atm.

Hey drAGon925,

Thanks for the kind words brother. Have you tried the thin(SPV) mode in the client?

It's in the OP embedded in the Github logo.

https://github.com/SDCDev/shadowcoin

Don't worry guys you won't need to pop that into a translator. Here's the English version.

The only truth I've seen spew out of his mouth.

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Nom Nom Nom

Hey Jim,

You gotta admit it was a cool story right? xD I haven't weighed in on the whole thing because of my absence from bitcointalk, so I figured I'd make a long winded post. (Only referenced XC bias because of your disclosure)

My intentions were not to degrade other coins work, but instead highlight their lack of innovation in comparison to Shadow. One example of unethical development is using code without giving the credit to the original authors. A few of the coins listed as participants only added a Shadow copyright reference after they were called to by our community and developer. My view is that any collaboration that includes developers who are unethical is missing the level of integrity we've been accustomed to here.

The issue is crypto right now is the scams are becoming more and more elaborate.. they've evolved from the old school premine dumps into blatant search and replace clone coins that fail to give credit to the authors. One could also argue that investors end up scamming themselves by knowingly investing in these types of coins. I believe it is relative to their income level and mindset. They invest 1BTC into a coin that is say 1000 SAT (clone) in hopes it will go to 100k SAT, instead of investing in the source code which is 20,000 SAT (source). Pump groups play off the investors greed and end up dumping their bags on em.. Dev quits the project. Either way the end result is just a longer version of the old premine dump..

Behind this endless cycle is an elaborate network of pump groups and coin developers, which the industry has labeled 'coin cartels'. Their mission is to transfer as much wealth as possible into the hands of a few, which ultimately creates more centralization in the altspace. Instead of the volume going to legitimate projects like Shadow it flows into supporting the next scamcoin operation. The fact that some of the coins listed as participants for BlockNet fall into this category should raise concerns with potential investors and question the motives behind it.

There are a few coins like Shadow that are organic and free from interal influence from the pump groups. You've made a good decision to come aboard and we're happy to have you here

Centralization is a good thing when you apply it to development efforts on a core currency. What makes Bitcoin so strong is the amount of people contributing to the currency project. Shadow has the best encrypted messaging system on the market, the best client interface, the only SPV solution for PoS, mobile and will have the most advanced privacy solution on the market. I believe the industry would benefit by getting behind something as real as Shadow vs splitting up efforts towards supporting lesser developed projects.

When it comes to vertical markets there isn't any shame in putting all your eggs in one basket as long as you have a development team that is delivering. There will end up being one clear winner in the privacy vertical and with Anoncoin's delivery date pushed back, Shadow is inching closer to that goal.

Hi Jim,

Welcome to our thread xD Shadow is the leading pioneer in the privacy vertical and the most innovative proof-of-stake coin on the market. All of our releases so far have been industry firsts. In the few short months the project has been public its surpassed all prior projects in terms of technology and efficiency. For example, Shadow authored and open sourced the dual-key stealth addresses that is now used by countless other projects - including those on listed as participant currencies for BlockNet.

I'm confident in our development team's capability to achieve the goals of BlockNet without BlockNet. The team's choice to withdrawal from BlockNet is in-line with their development ethics and was not a product of investor pressure.. Shadow's team only announces features which are in the testing cycle so why would Shadow move backwards and associate itself with projects with opposite development ethics? Shadow development team has made a point to stay away from hype and vapor and while the market doesn't seem to respond well to their honest developer ethics, I believe they've been successful in slowly attracting the smart investors over.

If you remove your bias towards BlockNet and XC and really look at Shadow, you'll see why the team decided to disassociate itself with it. Many of the concepts BlockNet is trying to achieve Shadow has already laid the groundwork for. I haven't seen one positive for Shadow as to why or how it would benefit from association. The majority of the coins included there are coins backed by search and replace development and pump and dump groups. Outside of some artificial pump I'm not sure how this is beneficial to Shadow, it's development team or the supporting community.

I would argue the opposite; instead of supporting market fragmentation through a concept like Blocknet, people should get behind Shadow and support it's development instead.

Here's a detailed overview of the project and what's been developed:

Thanks for the <3 Anoncoin!

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These people aren't affiliated with SDC, they're the fine members of the XST community using imposter accounts: tx42, Emillioman and Omaha.