This is so important for the miner besides performance. Bitmain’s still capable of lowering their S9 price if the Innosilicon comes close to it in price or performance to stay competitive. This will have to be near the price of an S9 to have decent sales at all.
We already know the price in bulk ($1600/100 MOQ), but resellers will definitely markup the price. The question is how much it will cost for us and what Bitmain will do in response- they’ll probably lower the price of the S9 further as aforementioned (S9i 14TH/S is currently at $1050 with PSU).
Huh? At current 1600 price, S9 is already far more competitive, especially with coupons. Getting 80% more hashrate is alot better than 10% more efficiency. Go ahead and crunch your numbers. |
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Missing one key piece of information: How much?
S9s and avalons are selling cheap these days. They need to compete strongly on price too, or it wont make sense to purchase. |
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Yes I agree but i bet many customers are building massive farms from this going from the GPU history of farmers. It would still hurt their rep. If I'm given a choice between bitmain and a new competitor (And there will be believe me) then I'm going to try another. I'm sick of their new policy of bleeding us and the pools dry.
Actually if a new competitor appears, the hardware war will be bigger and bitmain will likely win. I suspected the war was coming when the halong dragonmint turn out to be real. I did not expect it to affect L3+ though. It looks like bitmain wants to take halong, who is probably innosilicon down...and it is gonna take away alot of profits from everyone to do that. This halong is a major idiot. They will probably lose money from the dragonmint T1/T2. They cant compete at all. Chances are that their sales are not gonna cover their cost of producing the dragon T1. And when the war started, I suddenly see the D3 for sale again, for very cheap, among other miners. Innosilicon will make a lot less now. My gut feeling tells me the dragonmint T1 sparked this war. Honestly I don't think anyone can compete with Bitmain. Halong and Innosilicon miner prices are ridiculous in this bearish market while Bitmain are lowering prices every month. When you have a business there are things that attract customers. Two of which are price and customer service and Bitmain got both. Innosilicon and halong have the new Samsung asic chips which are the best at the moment. Thats one reason they charge so much. Bitmain is overdue for their new tech to hit the market. They just seem to be tweaking and overclocking old miners and calling them a new variant. Im sure a lot of people are kicking themselves that they dismissed halong as a scam in the beginning, i sure am. The dragon T1 works efficiently at around 14th and is only 10% more efficient than an S9 but it costs alot more at around 1500. For 1500, u can get 2 S9 and some money back lol (use coupons). 2 S9s give around 80-90% more hashrate than a dragon T1. The only time the T1 will be more profitable than 2 S9s is if one T1 makes $20 a month due to being more efficient and each S9 makes say $5 a month. This can only occur if difficulty rises that crazy high. If such a case occurs, u will never ever break even anyways lol. T1 @ 14th and 10 cents electric = 114 usd profit 2 S9 @ 28 TH and 10 cents = 205 usd profit The T1 maxes itself out at 10nm while the S9 is at 16nm and can be improved to 10nm, but I hope an S11 never appears lol. Dragon went into an oversupplied market against a competitor that has superior pricing power. Their cost of entry is probably high. Their entry cost being high is a guess from the post they make on the site back then by saying over 30million has been spent to bring the product to the market. I suspect 30m is alot considering canaans FY2017 profit is only 56m and 2017 is a record year for bitcoin. Just my 2 cents |
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Yes I agree but i bet many customers are building massive farms from this going from the GPU history of farmers. It would still hurt their rep. If I'm given a choice between bitmain and a new competitor (And there will be believe me) then I'm going to try another. I'm sick of their new policy of bleeding us and the pools dry.
Actually if a new competitor appears, the hardware war will be bigger and bitmain will likely win. I suspected the war was coming when the halong dragonmint turn out to be real. I did not expect it to affect L3+ though. It looks like bitmain wants to take halong, who is probably innosilicon down...and it is gonna take away alot of profits from everyone to do that. This halong is a major idiot. They will probably lose money from the dragonmint T1/T2. They cant compete at all. Chances are that their sales are not gonna cover their cost of producing the dragon T1. And when the war started, I suddenly see the D3 for sale again, for very cheap, among other miners. Innosilicon will make a lot less now. My gut feeling tells me the dragonmint T1 sparked this war. Honestly I don't think anyone can compete with Bitmain. Halong and Innosilicon miner prices are ridiculous in this bearish market while Bitmain are lowering prices every month. When you have a business there are things that attract customers. Two of which are price and customer service and Bitmain got both. Yeah, I am guessing bitmain economies of scale gives them a strong advantage. Canaan just filed for ipo https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/as-bitcoin-world-wobbles--mining-rig-company-plans-us-2-billion-ipo-10256246 . They have a profit of 56million USD for 2017. Hmmm they make btc machines, and btc/bch has a market cap of 162 billion. All other asic coins have far lower market cap. Profit cant be much for manufacturers that dabble in non-bitcoin sha256 machines I would think considering the far lower market cap of those other coins. Litecoin is 7.6b. Dash is 3b. |
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FYI - Finally received several payments of BTM from Antpool today. Looks like they finally have things working  What is your 'best guess' on what you are getting a day via USD...kinda sorta? Also, do you have the 1st batch or the 2nd batch or whatever? curious...I did not go to this parade....but wish you luck...just curious I await the details from the bleachers as I watch this thread I got $14.4 (20BTM) per miner yesterday and I should get $12.6 (17 BTM) today. I got two miners one from each batch. I did not have the nad's to do this.....(as I look at my 6 L3+'s I got a couple months ago making 51c a day after electric) I always thought I'd go an ASIC or two......too far...when.if my mining days were to wane....thus cut myself off from new units for a bit..... but good for you..hope it hangs together past ROI brad Last I counted, we need around 6 more months to ROI lol .... |
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Yes I agree but i bet many customers are building massive farms from this going from the GPU history of farmers. It would still hurt their rep. If I'm given a choice between bitmain and a new competitor (And there will be believe me) then I'm going to try another. I'm sick of their new policy of bleeding us and the pools dry.
Actually if a new competitor appears, the hardware war will be bigger and bitmain will likely win. I suspected the war was coming when the halong dragonmint turn out to be real. I did not expect it to affect L3+ though. It looks like bitmain wants to take halong, who is probably innosilicon down...and it is gonna take away alot of profits from everyone to do that. This halong is a major idiot. They will probably lose money from the dragonmint T1/T2. They cant compete at all. Chances are that their sales are not gonna cover their cost of producing the dragon T1. And when the war started, I suddenly see the D3 for sale again, for very cheap, among other miners. Innosilicon will make a lot less now. My gut feeling tells me the dragonmint T1 sparked this war. |
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re: payments
2018-05-21 00:15:27
Dear users,
According to the latest notice, most exchange platforms will disable BTM ERC20 wallet address (beginning with 0x), and to ensure the security of user’s earnings, Antpool now ask all users to set BTM mainnet address (beginning with bm) in Settings to avoid losses. The emergency solution is as follows:
1. Clear all user’s ERC 20 wallet addresses in the Settings.
2. Cancel all the pending payments with ERC 20 wallet addresses and resend them later.
3. Please kindly set BTM mainnet wallet address asap, if you need to withdraw BTM.
4. Actually we already began to make BTM payouts on May 18th. It is just that there were some issues with our BTM wallet, so that the progress of the payments would be very slow. Our engineers are urgently dealing with this issue, and it is expected that BTM daily payment will be back to normal on May 28th. If you haven’t received your daily payment before that, please just wait patiently.
Note: If users configure wrong wallet address, their earnings will be lost and can’t be recovered!
How to cancel all payments with erc20 address? We cannot cancel pending payments? They have to do it? |
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For you folks who replaced your fans, be aware that with the new firmware that increases hash-rate, the chip temperature will also increase. Might wanna keep any eye to ensure you're getting adequate cooling.
Can confirm utilization increases in my end were less than 75W on two B3s @240V. (Using one AWP for two miners) SP120 LEDs still doing the job at 52C in a 25C room. Wat was the total watts used per miner? 363 watts right now. Was at 338 before the update. Keep in mind I’ve completed a fan swap. Those stock fans pull about 1.6-1.8A each. The consumer grade fans only pull .25A. So I’m cutting a bit off the wall there. Something to think about. From a regulatory standpoint, Bitmain can only really increase power consumption +-10% before running into compliance issues. Especially without warning consumers about an increase outside of the known envelope. The “changelog” for these updates were vague at best. Wat fans are those and wat rpm do they spin at?? U are saying the stock fans used 160-180watts? That cant be right... Well, at least now we dont have to worry about GPU at all even if their rates improve I would think Stock fans are 1.8A@12V. Everything in those miners is 12V. So about 20-25W per fan. Switched to Corsair SP120 LEDs@.25A (12V  ) and just a hair over 2000RPM. Oh ya. It is 12 volts haha 2000rpm isnt smart. The current fans can go above 5000+ rpm easy. U dont want them under cooled and risk damage. There’s very likely some overtaxed component on the DCDC chain that needs the airflow regardless of how cool the chips are. I will probably end up frying these guys. But from a PCB/Chip temp perspective, I am 100% confident that there’s enough static pressure with two of these quiet fans. I’ve been running a decent QTY of Sophon SC-1 cards since February of this year, and have had no problems running the chips up to 80C while pushing a constant data stream through the API. From the tear downs posted on other threads, we know these miners are indeed powered by the exact same BM1680 as the SC1s. So Im just working from that frame of reference. An SC1 running a full and sustained workload will pull about 85W on the 12V rail of our servers. A B3 is 12 BM1680 chips. We know they’re not clocking in at 1020W, so the TPU ASICs are likely not running full clip. They’re likely low corner ASICs with too many dead cores to run in a Sophon product. There’s also no external DDR in this configuration. So there’s a few watts shaved off there. Given that bitmain usually has a habit of running about 80-135W per PCIe connector, it sure looks like they were expecting it push about 600-750W. The heat sink is a beefy structure. They also used thermal pads between the hashboards (making contact with both). This is a first for Bitmain if I’m not mistaken. All signs point to a device that either didn’t reach its potential after development, or one that has a LOT of headroom to grow as a more functions and op codes are added to the BYTOM (or other Tensority) blockchains. If the power consumption goes up when that happens, and I haven’t fried my miners by then, I’ll swap the stock fans back in. Maybe it won’t be 114F in my garage when that happens.  lol seems u know alot. Hmmm i dunno if 80 degrees is the frying point because while the S9 can take 80 degrees, the L3+ would be a toasted toaster at that temp. Well, hopefully u are right. If I were u, I would still get one of those quieting boxes and use the original fans. Considering the cost of these miners, I wouldnt risk it. Anyways, thats just me. Just my 2 cents. |
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L4 - 1.6GH ~950W
You heard it here first.
U sure? That is about 3 times better. Game over for L3+ at this current difficulty. |
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Bytom delisted from Binance
Why? It seems the coin is being pumped. About 24% up now. |
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For you folks who replaced your fans, be aware that with the new firmware that increases hash-rate, the chip temperature will also increase. Might wanna keep any eye to ensure you're getting adequate cooling.
Can confirm utilization increases in my end were less than 75W on two B3s @240V. (Using one AWP for two miners) SP120 LEDs still doing the job at 52C in a 25C room. Wat was the total watts used per miner? 363 watts right now. Was at 338 before the update. Keep in mind I’ve completed a fan swap. Those stock fans pull about 1.6-1.8A each. The consumer grade fans only pull .25A. So I’m cutting a bit off the wall there. Something to think about. From a regulatory standpoint, Bitmain can only really increase power consumption +-10% before running into compliance issues. Especially without warning consumers about an increase outside of the known envelope. The “changelog” for these updates were vague at best. Wat fans are those and wat rpm do they spin at?? U are saying the stock fans used 160-180watts? That cant be right... Well, at least now we dont have to worry about GPU at all even if their rates improve I would think Stock fans are 1.8A@12V. Everything in those miners is 12V. So about 20-25W per fan. Switched to Corsair SP120 LEDs@.25A (12V ) and just a hair over 2000RPM. Oh ya. It is 12 volts haha 2000rpm isnt smart. The current fans can go above 5000+ rpm easy. U dont want them under cooled and risk damage. |
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BITMAIN got lazy lately and they don't pump Litecoin
1 L3+ Today is making profit $0.28
Congrats BITMAIN !! You had flooded the market with L3+ miners and now no profit, even in the mini-market they sell L3+ miners
Now you should pump Litecoin to $600 for your miners to be profitable .........
Hmmm relax. Lets hope no L4 appears. Pumping occurs and flooding ends once bitmain sells whatever amount they need to sell. Cross fingers* |
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Can you do the calculations on if they bought BTC at $18,000.00 and held it versus buying an S9 for $2200.00 and mining BTC all the way down? Cuz I bought S9's for $1500-$2200 and mined and sold BTC all the way down. I NEVER held BTC because I KNEW it was way overpriced. My machines paid for themselves in no more than 2-3 months and I didn't lose any $ on BTC. So there might be some fallacies in your argument.
When BTC was at $18,000, u will be buying S9 at 7000 USD on ebay. U will not be able to buy it at 2.2k lol. The only possible way your machine can pay itself in 2-3 months is if btc price rise 3 times in 2-3 months lol. Only an idiot buys ASIC on EBay or Amazon. LOL. You’re obviously an amateur and you have very little understanding of this game. LOL You should really stop giving advice to people. I see you on several posts proving that you struggle with the reality of the mining world. LOL. LOL? U should stop talking nonsense. When BTC was 18,000, u cant buy it at bitmain. It gets DDOSed and sold out in 5 seconds. Alot of us tried. lol stooping to a personal attack. Well, dont make stuff up next time. The mining world is small to me and majority of my assets, by far, are elsewhere lol. And wat u mean by cant make it. This is simple simple plug and play stuff haha. Anyone who can calculate would realize they made more by holding than mining by far simply because difficulty increases alot more than price. Bitcoin/Litecoin/Ethereum was around 450/4/12 dollars in jan 2017. Just buy and hold since then means u make around 18x, 30x and 57x profit. Not possible to make this much by mining even with free electricity. Okay now for your next math question. Which person made more money. The person that bought BTC at 10,000 and “held it, or the miner ( me ) who sold what he owned at 18k 17k 16k 15k, short d BTC in futures at 14k bought back and got long at 7k sold at 10.5K bought again at 8.2k? Just sitting and holding extremely volatile assets is just plain stupid. Learn to trade, or at the very least do simple hedging. Most people in this space are like little children. Go ahead, get your calculator. This doesnt have anything to do with your first post regarding mining vs holding coins. Hmmm u are suddenly claiming to be a trading genius lol. Unrelated and I dunno where that came from. Your first post was already impossible. When btc was at 18k, and if u bought the S9 then, the S9 would cost 7k. U would then lose more than if u had just bought btc at 18k and held it till current 8.3k btc price. Your btc devalues by about 55% but your S9 miner devalues in the 90% range lol. The btc mined wont come close to plugging the gap. Simply put, mining then has been more risky and less profitable than holding the underlying. And your claim is unsubstantiated and makes no sense. If one could be a trading genius, they would not mine any btc. Why? Because there will make many times more money trading than mining lol. This is especially the case considering how volatile btc is. |
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Can you do the calculations on if they bought BTC at $18,000.00 and held it versus buying an S9 for $2200.00 and mining BTC all the way down? Cuz I bought S9's for $1500-$2200 and mined and sold BTC all the way down. I NEVER held BTC because I KNEW it was way overpriced. My machines paid for themselves in no more than 2-3 months and I didn't lose any $ on BTC. So there might be some fallacies in your argument.
When BTC was at $18,000, u will be buying S9 at 7000 USD on ebay. U will not be able to buy it at 2.2k lol. The only possible way your machine can pay itself in 2-3 months is if btc price rise 3 times in 2-3 months lol. Only an idiot buys ASIC on EBay or Amazon. LOL. You’re obviously an amateur and you have very little understanding of this game. LOL You should really stop giving advice to people. I see you on several posts proving that you struggle with the reality of the mining world. LOL. LOL? U should stop talking nonsense. When BTC was 18,000, u cant buy it at bitmain. It gets DDOSed and sold out in 5 seconds. Alot of us tried. lol stooping to a personal attack. Well, dont make stuff up next time. The mining world is small to me and majority of my assets, by far, are elsewhere lol. And wat u mean by cant make it. This is simple simple plug and play stuff haha. Anyone who can calculate would realize they made more by holding than mining by far simply because difficulty increases alot more than price. Bitcoin/Litecoin/Ethereum was around 450/4/12 dollars in jan 2017. Just buy and hold since then means u make around 18x, 30x and 57x profit. Not possible to make this much by mining even with free electricity. |
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For you folks who replaced your fans, be aware that with the new firmware that increases hash-rate, the chip temperature will also increase. Might wanna keep any eye to ensure you're getting adequate cooling.
Can confirm utilization increases in my end were less than 75W on two B3s @240V. (Using one AWP for two miners) SP120 LEDs still doing the job at 52C in a 25C room. Wat was the total watts used per miner? 363 watts right now. Was at 338 before the update. Keep in mind I’ve completed a fan swap. Those stock fans pull about 1.6-1.8A each. The consumer grade fans only pull .25A. So I’m cutting a bit off the wall there. Something to think about. From a regulatory standpoint, Bitmain can only really increase power consumption +-10% before running into compliance issues. Especially without warning consumers about an increase outside of the known envelope. The “changelog” for these updates were vague at best. Wat fans are those and wat rpm do they spin at?? U are saying the stock fans used 160-180watts? That cant be right... Well, at least now we dont have to worry about GPU at all even if their rates improve I would think |
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someone have received payments in huoboi from antpool?
Rule of thumb buddy. Dont use exchanges for mining payments. |
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Can you do the calculations on if they bought BTC at $18,000.00 and held it versus buying an S9 for $2200.00 and mining BTC all the way down? Cuz I bought S9's for $1500-$2200 and mined and sold BTC all the way down. I NEVER held BTC because I KNEW it was way overpriced. My machines paid for themselves in no more than 2-3 months and I didn't lose any $ on BTC. So there might be some fallacies in your argument.
When BTC was at $18,000, u will be buying S9 at 7000 USD on ebay. U will not be able to buy it at 2.2k lol. The only possible way your machine can pay itself in 2-3 months is if btc price rise 3 times in 2-3 months lol. |
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For you folks who replaced your fans, be aware that with the new firmware that increases hash-rate, the chip temperature will also increase. Might wanna keep any eye to ensure you're getting adequate cooling.
Can confirm utilization increases in my end were less than 75W on two B3s @240V. (Using one AWP for two miners) SP120 LEDs still doing the job at 52C in a 25C room. Wat was the total watts used per miner? |
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For you folks who replaced your fans, be aware that with the new firmware that increases hash-rate, the chip temperature will also increase. Might wanna keep any eye to ensure you're getting adequate cooling.
This is exactly why fans should not be replaced in the first place. Get those quiet box instead if u dont have a noisy place to put it. |
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I think people need to wait before just looking at the hashrate of GPUs and jumping to conclusions. GPUs are reporting similar hashrates but are getting paid way less.
Edit: Someone on the discord said they were mining with a $4,500 rig using 1000W to make half as much BTM per day as a B3 running at 328W.
I hope u are right That would mean 2000w against 328w. Not as bad as someone reported earlier. |
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