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Hi Bitmain,
More GPUs are getting in. We need stronger firmware to increase the hashrate.
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B3 at current profitability is 7.5 months though?
The fact that they easily upgraded the B3 from 780 - 1050 in a week shows they seriously handicapped these miners (on purpose or by design, who knows). They still run quite cool with minimal power draw - thus beggin the question how much were they limited?
Would be interesting to see someone "hack" one... I bet doubling is not a far stretch, with slightly more power draw. They are capable of so much more.
It's foolish to think that general purpose hardware would trump ASIC., pure nonsense logically speaking lol.
Yeps, B3 at 50 degrees and only this frequency. At first it was 780h for 360watts. We need new firmware to increase the frequency. The previous firmware increase watts by 20-25 and gave 280 more hash. Miners currently cant control the frequency. No known hacks. Hopefully a stronger firmware gets released soon.... 20 more watts for 300 more hash I hope. |
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
lol highly doubt that...more like thousands of people paying more than 10 cents electricity turning off their machines. I'm sure a lot of folks have been turning off their older generation miners over the last couple months - even at 3 cent electric the A2/Titan/Alcheminer generation is no longer profitable. L3/A4/L21 generation is still profitable, if you don't have "high for mining" electric rates, but are starting to get a bit marginal. "Old gen" gear accounted for 3 Terahashes of the network though, before Bitmain started flooding with miners. Thats currently less than 1% of the network, so whoever turned those off no one even felt it. Recent drop is definitely from this gen gear...which looks like its already last gen since its obvious that new gear is already hitting the network (I am already playing with new chips FYI). Wow, only 1%. Thats low. |
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http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/26.htmlInnosilicon A9, 50k sols, $9999, 620W. It's twice as efficient as Z9, though less price/performance if you consider the $250 x2 coupons we were given. Batch 2 ship Aug 15, which will beat bitmain's 2nd batch too. Given that $400 coupons can be found for $200, the Z9 is ~$650 for batch 2 and innosilicon needs to sell at $3250 or less in batch 2 to beat Z9's price/perf. Well it's only 2.5x the efficiency, not as bad as Siacoin's A3 to S11 situation. But it's a generation jump and will be significant when equihash mining matures. Woah but sales price at $9,999 makes no sense. I guess it is on a lower number node? This reminds me of the ant D3 miner. The ant Z9 is a ant D3 and the inno A9 is a dash A5. The A5 Dash was sold for 10k and buyers got it few months later instead of on time. The ant D3 was shipped fast but so many were sold that no one broke even.... I hope u guys think hard here. I have a feeling that if you are some large whale with a farm and you send an inquiry they will probably give you like a discount if you pay right away. If paying by BTC they probably give you another discount. Hence at face value it's hard to tell what price these miners are actually going for Another thing to note is that inno did not ship those A5 dash units on time then. They shipped it alot later, when difficulty has risen alot. I am a little suspicious since they can ship quickly while bitmain spent a few weeks taking orders. U should go check the dash thread. In general, from wat i read, inno support is pretty bad. |
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anyone have any $400 coupons left? I could use a few.. PM me!
U gonna try a Z9? Hmmm maybe it will turn out like your E3 @ 800 usd yes lol. With some $400 coupons, Z9s are under $500 I would take a chance on them. http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/26.htmlInnosilicon A9, 50k sols, $9999, 620W. It's twice as efficient as Z9, though less price/performance if you consider the $250 x2 coupons we were given. Batch 2 ship Aug 15, which will beat bitmain's 2nd batch too. Given that $400 coupons can be found for $200, the Z9 is ~$650 for batch 2 and innosilicon needs to sell at $3250 or less in batch 2 to beat Z9's price/perf. Well it's only 2.5x the efficiency, not as bad as Siacoin's A3 to S11 situation. But it's a generation jump and will be significant when equihash mining matures. Woah but sales price at $9,999 makes no sense. I guess it is on a lower number node? This reminds me of the ant D3 miner. The ant Z9 is a ant D3 and the inno A9 is a dash A5. The A5 Dash was sold for 10k and buyers got it few months later instead of on time. The ant D3 was shipped fast but so many were sold that no one broke even.... I hope u guys think hard here. U may wanna take note wat i wrote above in the thread. I could be wrong and it could turn out differently. I was thinking about it myself but now i am thinking again because the A9 appeared. Difficulty will be higher. But if u have big coupons, agreed that the risk is lower. If only inno and Bitmain can sit down and talk things through ...but I guess hell will freeze over first lol |
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http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/26.htmlInnosilicon A9, 50k sols, $9999, 620W. It's twice as efficient as Z9, though less price/performance if you consider the $250 x2 coupons we were given. Batch 2 ship Aug 15, which will beat bitmain's 2nd batch too. Given that $400 coupons can be found for $200, the Z9 is ~$650 for batch 2 and innosilicon needs to sell at $3250 or less in batch 2 to beat Z9's price/perf. Well it's only 2.5x the efficiency, not as bad as Siacoin's A3 to S11 situation. But it's a generation jump and will be significant when equihash mining matures. Woah but sales price at $9,999 makes no sense. I guess it is on a lower number node? This reminds me of the ant D3 miner. The ant Z9 is a ant D3 and the inno A9 is a dash A5. The A5 Dash was sold for 10k and buyers got it few months later instead of on time. The ant D3 was shipped fast but so many were sold that no one broke even.... I hope u guys think hard here. |
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anyone have any $400 coupons left? I could use a few.. PM me!
U gonna try a Z9? Hmmm maybe it will turn out like your E3 @ 800 usd yes lol. |
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Having mined through the Monero Botnet AND the ETH botnet of 2016, I'd disagree with you. But I guess everyone's gotta have that illusion somehow.
No, what I'm talking about is Manufacturer decentralization.
GMO WILL be the first major manufacturer from another country that is not China.
They may not be the last if rumours are to be believed.
Does it matter if new entrants come in? U would buy this product over an S9? The numbers dont make sense to do so. Only people bad at math would buy this or a halong TI. |
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why do u get 75 halongs when u can get more than 2 S9s for 1 halong? And u do this when your electricity bill is low? Efficiency is even less important to u when your electricity rate is so low. There is a risk of condensation on your miners if they get too hot, especially if your room is small. The aircon may not be able to work 24/7 without issues, so, u may need some backups. It would also use up alot of electricity space that u could better use for miners. I would just add more fans if I were u.
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well, ASIC = ASIC - there is no decentralization here, all the same story
real decentralization you have on ASIC proof coins, even the best decentralization You can find in the CPU only coins, they are rare, but the best decentralized
I would say that it is still decentralized but not decentralized as much. Currently, there are miners that are turned off because difficulty is too high. If it keeps going higher, eventually only the cheapest miners will own all the hashrate. If it gets to the point 10 big miners control everything, maybe we should sell some btc because the risk of a 51% attack gets bigger. |
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Yeah we will be building a prototype soon.
The key will be how many panels we can get "new old stock" panels really cheap at auction.
This means 210 to 230 watts a panel panels are about 2 by 4
We can get a (dc or ac) to dc power supply rated at 1200 watts this allows 24 hour operation and tied to the grid
We can get a dc to dc power supply rated at 1200 watts this is for Day light mining only.
So a 6 panel 1 power supply can not do the s9 or 841 or t1
but it could do an L3+ or a 2 board s9
We will be testing 8 panel 2 power supply setup on and off grid
We will be testing 6 panel 1 power supply setup on and off grid
U mean u gonna just tie it to an L3 or S9? Wat about loud sound issues and most people wont be interested in mining? If u can just install a solar roof that mines and auto sells the btc every month and sends it in cash to the persons bank account, they would sign up I would think lol. I wrote the last post just after reading only the thread title unfortunately. I thought u were going for the average person who is not even into btc, and not just miners. Well, if u watch shark tank, u would realize things that are odd are not so odd after all lol. Good luck. |
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Hi Phil, Their best target market would be California because it is mandatory to put solar cells on the roofs there https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/09/california-solar-panels-power-renewable-energyhttps://news.energysage.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Dow-solar-shingles-624x365.pngPerhaps it can be used with the tesla roof. The mining chips should be on the ceiling inside the house, shielding it from rain. Maybe if only use few chips and the chips were located far apart enough, there can be enough airflow such that u dont need cooling or it needs some kinda setup,a quiet one. It needs to be wifi connected via an app and the chips need to be auto-configured to mine on its own. The owner should not need to configure it as most are lazy and not into btc. Perhaps can just auto-sell the btc every month for the owner and send the rewards to their bank account. Most owners are lazy. U may wanna market "Buy our solar miners and receive monthly payments to your bank account" And some might this is nuts but if u consider that someone created a way to mine bitcoin just from body heat lol, this isnt so crazy. Other crazier things have worked. |
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How much we can make per day with B3 now a days, any one testing any update?
~10 BTM atm 9 GYM 😞 If Bitmain didn't give as another firmware we will go down like a stone 😕 If they will, everyone will update, network hashrate will go up, diff will go up, and the only effect will be higher power consumption. I'm really glad that I sold my B3 few days ago for a good price. The effect will be we get stronger against GPU miners. GPU miners can get good hashrate for less $$$ although not as efficient. I am surprised bitmain messed up this bad. |
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How much we can make per day with B3 now a days, any one testing any update?
~10 BTM atm 9 GYM 😞 If Bitmain didn't give as another firmware we will go down like a stone 😕 Need another firmware. We need another 250-300 hash for 20 watts. |
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My result with 6x1060 6g using NebuTech_2.0_Win on win 10 ~1550h/s @640W Fee are show in bottom right corner, should be 10% of my Hashrate but it show way more.  Can someone explain "big profits" to me?
We pay 10% dev fee, 25% of hashrate is lost to stale / rejected shares, and 3x 1070ti make about 6 coins a day that are worth 60 cents each, when even nicehash pays more than that, not to mention shitcoins. And, those coins can't even been sold on an exchange.
I really don't get it.
Well it's clearly not worth it with 1070 + gpu, anyone with better GPU than 1060 should not waste time trying. keep in mind that you basically have to beat an Antminer B3 780h/s @360w for less than it actual price which may be achieved with low end GPU like 1050ti. for the fee can we just make fee redirect?
I don't think you can , probably because connection are encrypted. I were able to find the address but not to redirect it. you still can cheat the fee by restarting miner but I'm not sure it really worth it . it depend how many time it take for your miner to restart. Actually with the recent upgrade, the B3 is doing 1055h/s @ 380-385watts. I am hoping a new upgrade occurs to overclock further because it is only running at 50 degrees at this frequency. It can overclock more and get hotter without issues but bitmain controls that via firmware. Maybe can boost to 410watts for 1400h or something next, I hope. I dont see why this thing cant go further. |
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S9 will not profit soon ?
S9 would not profit if your daily operating cost is above USD0.13/kWh, just enough to cover operating cost / break-even to cover electricity/cooling etc. See example below :- (TH/s) / Opex (USD/kWH) / Profit (USD/D) 13.5 / 0.10 / 1.43 13.5 / 0.11 / 1.04 13.5 / 0.12 / 0.66 13.5 / 0.13 / 0.27 13.5 / 0.14 / -0.11 * Assumptions : Current yield of USD0.39/(TH/s), power of 1580 Watt/S9. That doesnt look good. If the 13cents guys gets taken out, it will be the 12 and 11 cents guys next  Hopefully bitmain clears their backlog of wafer orders soon and does not over-order again. I believe that is the issue here. The new entrant GMO with their new 24TH for 1950watt miner at 1999 USD just cant compete at that price and I doubt they can price it much lower to compete. Bitcoin price increase would be great too. |
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Can someone explain "big profits" to me?
We pay 10% dev fee, 25% of hashrate is lost to stale / rejected shares, and 3x 1070ti make about 6 coins a day that are worth 60 cents each, when even nicehash pays more than that, not to mention shitcoins. And, those coins can't even been sold on an exchange.
I really don't get it.
I can explain it..... big profits? It has a question mark after it, it was never guaranteed  Is the dev fee hidden? Interested to see more on this, cheeky if it is I've been running for nearly 24 hours on the latest version and I've had 20 rejected shares over 400 accepted which is a pretty decent ratio imo. I thought the B3's and general Bytom algo suffered with rejected shares anyway? You can sell it on Okex? U can sell the erc20 token on cryptopia. I havent found a way to sell the mainnet tokens either. Mainnet tokens can be sold on Okex and gateio I was told? The dev gets almost 500 bucks a day. Thats very good. Thats insane, especially when the miner does not tell you about a dev fee? Is this definitely 100% I dont know. I havent tried with main-net and I am not familiar with those exchanges. lol, the miner does not tell u about the fee? If it is the dev address as stated, then yeah, is a 100% |
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Can someone explain "big profits" to me?
We pay 10% dev fee, 25% of hashrate is lost to stale / rejected shares, and 3x 1070ti make about 6 coins a day that are worth 60 cents each, when even nicehash pays more than that, not to mention shitcoins. And, those coins can't even been sold on an exchange.
I really don't get it.
I can explain it..... big profits? It has a question mark after it, it was never guaranteed Is the dev fee hidden? Interested to see more on this, cheeky if it is I've been running for nearly 24 hours on the latest version and I've had 20 rejected shares over 400 accepted which is a pretty decent ratio imo. I thought the B3's and general Bytom algo suffered with rejected shares anyway? You can sell it on Okex? U can sell the erc20 token on cryptopia. I havent found a way to sell the mainnet tokens either. |
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The dev gets almost 500 bucks a day. Thats very good. |
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Can someone explain "big profits" to me?
We pay 10% dev fee, 25% of hashrate is lost to stale / rejected shares, and 3x 1070ti make about 6 coins a day that are worth 60 cents each, when even nicehash pays more than that, not to mention shitcoins. And, those coins can't even been sold on an exchange.
I really don't get it.
Abit glad to see this lol. This means my ant B3 miner is still more efficient, although omg the amount I paid for it is too high... |
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