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10161  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Climatic changes leading to thawing of permafrost in Seberia on: September 19, 2020, 10:54:56 PM
Temperatures in like 1870 or before the industrial revolution are more like what "should be".

im sorry. but 1800-1900 england had the london thames frost fairs (river froze over) and ireland had the potato blight

so forgive me for saying this but england had good harvests during the middle ages and then in the 18-19th century of smoggy london industry .. it got colder

london has less carbon/smog now.. yep we do not have homes that employ chimney sweeps. due to all the soot polution of back then has gone
so foggy smokey rainy london.. vs sunny clear sky london of today.. kinda debunks the carbon interference

oh and by the way for 100's of years potato has been a stable vegetable of the UK. yet modern farming is prefering to farm potato by buying land in.. guess.. egypt. because UK climate is getting worse

yes we might get a couple weeks of 30+oc but we are getting a heck of alot of cold days

what people dont get is the drying out of land due to the water cycle changes. and the deforestation of the amazon is causing less water and less tree brush. thus more warmer winds to send more storms up the gulf through the atlantic to  northern europe
and also from the pacific side of the south america. going north west up the pacific to the asian/siberian regions

but this high 'monsoon' style water doesnt get to soak into the dry lands to cool the land and stay there for  winter. thus the water cycle changes over the last 100 years
yep before carbon industry was the farmland industry. water mills and diverting rivers caused changes before coal was burned.

enjoy some research using science and history and not climate change activist websites

climate change is real and man made.. but carbon is not the big trigger media says it is
water cycle causes more issues

..
in the UK we do not pretend this/nextweek temperature by measuring carbon. instead we look at where the main storms are. if wind is coming from the north east (from the arctic) we will get colder days. if we are getting wind from the south we get warmer days
rain is guaged on if winds are from the east (continent of lack of water) or west(atlantic ocean) and we can tell how wet we are going to get it.. all without having to check for carbon levels
10162  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No time to waste - US has to act now to reverse climate change trend on: September 19, 2020, 10:31:22 PM
well if you truly want to stick with the fallacy of carbon being so active. may i ask you to go to all science nerds and debunk why hydrogen is such an active element.
also then go to nasa and and tell them they have wasted billions on the space station because they should have used carbon instead of hydrogen. tel hem how they could have made it thinner using carbon
(satire/sarcasm)
or.
look into what hydrogen does that carbon doesnt. and the realise the science thats not talked about by media

oh and i do hope you done the 2 glass experiment

oh and to add to the 2 glass on floor experiment. also get a lump of activated charcoal. breath it up into a dust and then blow it across the same floor separate from your water experiment. and then use a thermometer
then smoke s cigar and exhale in the area and use a thermometer.

then wait 5 minutes and use a thermometer on all the experiments.
then 40 minutes then 120 minutes

then check your results on what has affected the temperatures the most.

for most smart people they will know that the water has more effect. but try it just to be sure.
and if you still dont believe the results. then you can go to nasa and tell them they are wrong even if your opinion disagrees with your own experiments and their science
..

look i do get it you think if you put 3 squares down
one with nothing
one covered in water
one covered in carbon dust

the carbon one MIGHT have a slight increase in temperature compared to the square with nothing
but here is the thing water will cause a more dramatic temperature change

and its the water cycle that has changed the most and impacting itself to cause more change due to the triggers of human involvement
10163  Other / Serious discussion / Re: I'm reviewing my domain name business to focus on Bitcoin on: September 19, 2020, 12:21:22 AM
just having a snazzy name isnt going to get you massive income. its pot luck getting a desirable name that someone hasnt already thought of. and alot of time effort to then promote that its available

companies would rather change their brand then be made hostage to domain squatters 'lease fee' offer
companies would rather take a domain squatter to court rather than being made hostage

domain squatting is not profitable. and most just try to 'buy and flip' as quick as possible and in mass domain name amounts.
you wont get rich owning 1 domain and hoping to 10000x the value. forget it

many companies would rather find the domain registrar. inform them that they own trademarks and get them to not allow the squatter to renew next year. and they just wait a year and take it over for $10 and pay $100 for a 10 year contract to keep it

many websites value is in if it provides a service that actually has a high viewer count
take this forum. it may have only cost theymos a few dollars. but it can be worth a lot now
not just the domain notoriety. but also the data content of number of users. and the other stuff of meta data they can grab and sell

its better to make a domain with a purpose and spend that time making it worthy of a value. and then sell it
so find the niche service not the nice name
10164  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More Support for Covid as Engineered Financial Reset on: September 19, 2020, 12:07:50 AM
i do not believe that covid was 'engineered'
however a global financial reset would have been inevitable in the next decade or less anyway. so a financial reset oppertunity came about to hide it within a natural crisis to then blame nature, and take the blame away from the politicians/economists

2 birds 1 stone
10165  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No time to waste - US has to act now to reverse climate change trend on: September 19, 2020, 12:02:44 AM
some science
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For most of the particles and energies found in the Galactic Cosmic Ray (GCR)  spectrum,  the  effectiveness  of  a  material  as  a  radiation  shield  generally  increases  with  decreasing  atomic  number,  with  hydrogen  being  the  best  
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Both  of  the  important  physical  processes  in  heavy  ion  transport  –  ionization  energy  loss  and  nuclear  fragmentation  –  occur  at  higher  rates  in  hydrogen  than  other  materials
Therefore,  per  unit  mass  of  shielding,  hydrogen  stops  more  of  the  incident  low-energy  particles  and  also  causes  more  fragmentation  of  high-energy  heavy  ions  than  do  other materials. It is therefore expected on theoretical grounds that hydrogenous materials should make  efficient  shields  against  the  GCR

https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/918614

if carbon was super effective. they would be using carbon. and only needing 100x less thickness of it.. but that aint happening.

so enjoy learning more about the hydrogen/water balance and its effects
10166  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No time to waste - US has to act now to reverse climate change trend on: September 18, 2020, 11:33:55 PM
when you look at news of 'climate change is drying up ganges river'
but then when you google ganges river drying up without the words climate change attached
you start reading about the dams put in from 1970. then the ground water pumps. and then the cycle of reactions

its a worthy read when you start to look for other causes and stop just trying to find carbon links
10167  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Climatic changes leading to thawing of permafrost in Seberia on: September 18, 2020, 11:17:32 PM
i am not a climate change denier. i beleive human intervention has caused more changes than nature has..

but
my issue is that the 100-400parts per million of carbon is not sufficient enough to cause a change to the magnitude media is spouting

the science is that water cools and warms the planet more depending on how much precipitation an area has
water content in area's has more variety of thousands of parts per million
(average 40,000parts of water vapour vs carbons measily 400parts)

so think of logic experiment
if nasa is trying to use water/hydrogen 'shield' to protect astraunauts from the solar rays. a 40centimeter thick 'hard water' shield would ratio to only a millimetre thick carbon skin if we were to use the ratios.
however nasa isnt using a 1mm thick carbon shield and still trying to figure out how to use water on the moon/mars potential colonies as the shield.

ask yourself why is nasa concentrating on hydrogen/water for its space projects

think about it
if they needed 40,000 hydogen parts but need only 400 carbon parts. then why the hell does the space station have a hydrogen rich shield around the crews cabin and not a carbon rich shield

just think about that

yes carbon affects human lungs and the photosynthesis balance
but water/hydrogen has a bigger connection to the atmosphere/solar radiation shield

i hope you atleast take a bit of time to look at the science of water/hydrogen..

as for permafrost.
many countries are actually digging into the ground. greenland/iceland geothermal energy production is affecting their land more
damming rivers to reduce water in the ground causes less aquifers thus less permafrost
yep 'active permafrost' melts and refreezes each year. but if less water is re-flowing in that area during summer to soak into the land. its not freezing in winter to protect the underlayers.
when active layer of permafrost melts and flows down . but no new water is put into the land to re-freeze. then the new active later net year is a couple feet lower. rinse and repeat.. or should i say dry out and repeat
..
as for thinking that the arctic is melting
in the 1960s they had a science station up there. and abandoned it. they returned and found that its now covered by 100feet of ice..
100feet extra ice ontop
the real science fear is if that melts then it will release the nuclear waste that station was holding which is more dangerous than a 1oc average temperature change

yep they are worried about the nuclear waste release from that station more then the icemelt itself
(Camp Century: project iceworm)
10168  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Recent useful information on Covid-19 Vaccines on: September 18, 2020, 08:39:24 PM
thinking all illnesses are mild?
facepalm

you do know that over thousands of years. % chance of a kid getting to adulthood is not 100%
i know you dont understand this. but newborns in remote locations of africa who dont travel to cities to get childhood vaccinations are at high risk of dying from viruses

yep. same goes for many remote 'tribes/cultures' that dont use modern medicine

the average lifespan is 35yo in places without modern medicine

..
oh by the way. here is a wake up call
what if the eugenics chemical-for-profit people are actually the leaders of the antivax crew. telling you not to get FREE care. but instead buy their magic pills and subscribe to their newsletters and donate to them

they want people to die. they believe in survival of the fittest. they want population decline so that the poor are weeded out of society. they are the greedy self centred idiots that just want economy to grow now peoples health
its these idiots that dont want governments to pay out to the public but they want the tax-free status for them to get rich, and taxes to be wasted on corporations that do nothing for society

just actually have a moral/ethical thought about what your actually advocating for when you spout out crap such as about wanting people to suffer just to not get governments to pay out to the public
dont get that itchy reaction ready to reply to defend the antivax cult. actually take a step back from the cultish defense mindset. and actually review what the chain reaction of what they are advertising and what results will occur. actually review are the antivax cults actually trying to elp people. or trying to get you to buy their merchandise and get you to do risky things. like get in trouble with police by doing protests

oh and one last thing
if your not smart enough to be these leader groups with charitable tax-free status. and if your not smart enough to be personally gaining financially from their methods. then i know your hope is probably that if the government dont pay out for public services that help out people that cant help themselves.. you hope the tax amount will go down if there was less poor people/less people in need..
right. deep down your hoping that.. that taxes will go down if government didnt need to spend so much

im sorry to inform you but taxes wont go down.
so stop thinking poor/helpless need to suffer for the dream of less tax.
so here is the plan.
wake up and realise the government will still try getting tax from people.
and either
1. dont advertise cultish groups selling merchandise and getting people to do risky things for others to profit
2. actually advocate for the government to actually use the tax they gather on actual things that actually help people. like heathcare. like education like protecting a basic minimum standard of lifestyle
3. find a way for you to find a tax-free loophole status to not worry about tax
4. stop being an idiot advocating to kill people off thinking that will solve the taxation worry
10169  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Well I had to fill in a contact tracing form this morning. on: September 17, 2020, 07:04:56 PM
The primary reason that older people are at risk over their health is because the Pharma sales force ( doctors ) keep persuading them to accept damaging vaccines, and poisonous drugs that mess up their bodies.
I'll concede that there is certainly an element of this, but doctors do also provide vital and live-saving drugs. I think this outweighs the unnecessary sales, although I'd imagine it's difficult to acquire reliable data on this.

Age is not a disease, but it is becoming a medically created sickness.
Age is cumulative cell division errors. It kind of is a disease in the sense that most early-onset diseases are removed from the gene-pool through natural selection (people succumb prior to reaching the age where they can create their own children), whereas late-onset diseases are not selected against. But I appreciate that 'age' by itself - without any of the health conditions that are more likely to occur in older age - is certainly not a thing that needs to be treated, and particularly not through unnecessary drugs.

just remember jetcash is in his 70's he knows his health is failing him and deep down he is concerned. but he comes on this forum acting like a superman thats immortal as his theraputic way to try to not stress over his own health risks by trying to tell himself via this forum that he is superman

also remember UK healthcare system is free. there are no salemen
10170  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Well I had to fill in a contact tracing form this morning. on: September 17, 2020, 07:02:10 PM
giving your number is the important part. so they can contact you.
however if you want to test if that number is being used for other things and by who
then lets say your real name is alex.
at morrisons write down axel
at mcdonalds write down al
at another place write down albert
at another write down alexander
at another write down allen

then if you get mischievous calls you can pin point which store gave your details to other businesses
yep the stores dont hand details to the NHS daily. the store meant to keep and secure the slips of paper and only hand over relevant ones that relate to the time period of an infectee
the rest should get destroyed after a month or less
10171  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No time to waste - US has to act now to reverse climate change trend on: September 16, 2020, 03:39:35 PM
The hydrologic cycle has been studied for thousands of years, but scientifically for at least 200. The hydrologic cycle nets at zero; the amount of water molecules in the system is a constant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle

The sort of effects that occur from man's activities such as damming up rivers are referred to as "regional climate effects." They are not part of a global climate change.

yes but land is usually a sponge that hold water and puts it into underground aquafers from hundreds of miles from its source. .. by removing the rivers that fill the land and filling up reservoirs the amount of water is the same but the locations of water change
yep thousands of square miles become barren where as a 20mile reservoir fills

again take a litre glass (footprint 2inch wide) now take another litre and spill it on the ground and see the ratio of footprint of the puddle you make
easy experiment (ill give you a hint its 40 inchs wide)

instead of seasons of standard rain all around land for 1000miles which then sponges into fields as underground aquafers or feeds plants or evaporates to make new clouds randomly over 1000 miles. the barren land ends up with clear blue skies.. whilst the large area's of water ike oceans and reservoirs become storm creators with insane amount of rain in localised places.
its natures way of trying to get the water from the oceans/reservoirs and redistributing it back to the wider land

but initially that just floods over land and it doesnt soak into the ground due to the vast flow of so much water in such short periods due to the heat.
usually it would have to take a few cycles of this to naturally balance out. but due to mans interuptions of nature of laying down concrete and sewers hardly any water 'soaks in' and it all just runs off back to the sea eventually

take jacarta.. they dammed up the river.
people started needed to use personalised water wells to take water out of the ground aquafers and now they are depleted the land is subsiding. causing more flooding not just from localised storms due to dense clouds due to the heat which causes oceans and reservoirs to evaporate as the only water available. but also from the land falling below sea level inch by inch each year due to land subsidence from empty aquafers
10172  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Recent useful information on Covid-19 Vaccines on: September 16, 2020, 03:22:59 PM
It is nit going to be cheaper in anyway but not much people can afford for expensive prices so it will goes into the hands of government to ensure their people safety.We yet to have the final product so we can't predict the prices even approximately, maybe we need few more billions for the development of the vaccine.

something like $86mill for the facilities and initial build out/R&D
$176 for the production of hundreds of millions of doses and few million for the trial costs
so under $1 per person for UK/american populations when you work it all out

enjoy
10173  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Recent useful information on Covid-19 Vaccines on: September 16, 2020, 03:10:08 PM
On the other hand we have the free natural immunity that God gave to us, and it is 100% effective, has no side effects, and is available now.

wrong wrong and wrong
if everyone was naturally immune 100% with no sideeffects then no one would be getting sick
.. but people are getting sick
so you are already debunked
now stop being an idiot by looking to conspiracy sites for things to write about and actually fact check the reality of whats actually happening in the real world

this is a novel strain of the corona virus because is so new and such a degree different to previous that our bodies dont actually identify it as a nasty thing until its too late

after 6 month of your concern about the virus i would have thought you would have took some time to go researching facts. but it seems you spent 6 months just reading conspiracy sites.

try to take a break from conspiracy sites and actually use your time to learn facts from proper sources
10174  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Recent useful information on Covid-19 Vaccines on: September 16, 2020, 10:37:00 AM
Recently I read in one of the news websites that the vaccine might be available by early 2021. I am still skeptical about its effectiveness as I have also read that the virus keeps on evolving day by day.

Now, there are news coming out that those who were once infected are again getting infected. I do not have the source link but if you search google you will find such news.

In my opinion it is a long way to get an effective vaccine.

Effective vaccine must  not cause any of side effects  and it takes time and thousands if not tens of thousands  tests. Time pressure  can lead to bad consequences for those being vaccinated. AstraZeneca's vaccine incident demonstrated this. I've heard that not  a single vaccine for any virus with a defensive-proteins-enhancing mechanism was ever effective.

much of the 'human trial' would be 3-6-9month monitoring. the actual delay was that when they study 10 people. they wait upto 3-6-9 months and then spend 3 months making reports. thus about a year per phase

this time they have shrunk the 3month 'reporting' down to a week. because they are not just waiting until the 3-6-9th month and then survey the participants. but gathering data regularly throughout the 3-6-9 month thus only need a week to collate it at the end

also instead of waiting 3-6-9 month to see if there was a problem and then tweak the volume/mixture
they do it more frequently within the 3-6-9 time period.
EG the oxford study checked on its participants only 2 months into the phase 3 and found one person had back issues which they were concerned were due to a immuno reaction. they ran tests and found it wasnt and thus continued the phase 3 within a week
this kind of thing may not have been found out for atleast a year in the old process

so by having regular in-phase checks and also streamlining the reporting. they can move to the next phase or have early consent to move to next phases, within the 9 month period of the first phase
thus by the time they get to 9 months of phase 1 they can have longterm results of 1 medium term results of 2 and short term results of 3
thus atleast have a great indicator of any short term instant bad reactions. a good indicator of medium term and long term reaction.

10175  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No time to waste - US has to act now to reverse climate change trend on: September 16, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
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yep hydro power is a bigger accelerator of destroying farmland by drying out the land.
...

In case you don't know, (vs. just pretending...in a convincing manner...to be an idiot) 'hydro-power' is how you make farmland since one of the biggest benefits is being able to sequester waters and use them throughout the hear for agriculture reasons.  Go to California's central valley and look at a patch of land which is not cultivated.  It will be a barren dried out patch of sage brush among lush fields of some of the most productive agricultural lands on the planet.

before the dam there were rivers and streams and farmers actually irrigated small streams to their farms. .. all that has dried up
now they have to get it piped to their land and have to use specially prepared sprayers that only spray exacting amounts because what used to be free water. is now an expense/service offered by the CVP

so with no free roaming rivers/streams that can also cover non farmland. you will see the managed farms lush with plants and the nearby non farmland dry/baron

by hoarding the clean water upstream and only releasing it to those that need it. the run off from farmland contains higher concentrations of chemicals per litre than a natural river fueled farm would
because the only water in is what farmers need and the only water out is the waste water = no dilution naturally

..
take the colorado river.
damming up the colorado river HAS CAUSED the drop in water level downstream
they pretend that its due to climate change and then pretend to say its carbon caused. but the reality is its the dams

have a nice day
10176  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No time to waste - US has to act now to reverse climate change trend on: September 16, 2020, 10:03:37 AM
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yep its human caused but its based on less water on land than before thus less evaporation to cool the land thus less rain in those area's thus no cooling.
....

Since the time constant of water dammed up in a lake or reservoir is much longer than if it were in a stream, water in such a body would have more surface area, and more evaporation, than if it were in a stream or river.

That would result in more rain, and more cooling.

There are other problems with your arguments in the post, this is only one.

nope
take a litre of water and put it in a bowl and leave in it your yard to evaporate
take another litre of water and spread it across the ground letting it flow in many directions like rivers and strains and wetlands.

i guarantee you the ground water litre would evaporate faster than the litre reservoir bowl

its an easy experiment
heck even get 2 glasses of water. leave one in the glass and pour the other glass onto a towel
i guarantee you the towel dries out faster than the glass of water does

the depth of the reservoir has colder water at the lower levels that keep the water at a higher level cooler for longer. this less evaporation
heck. reservoirs these days have a top layer filled with black balls (like the kiddy ball pool) that prevent the sun getting to the water to create algea and prevent evaporation

other things is that water reflect suns radiation more then carbon does.
this is why the space program is looking at hydrogen/water to put in the fuselage of spacecraft as a 'shield' against radiation instead of using carbon

so when you look at the atmospheric makeup of only 400parts per million of carbon and many thousands of parts of water. you start to see water has a bigger effect.

when you look at the sky on the hottest day of the year. its not because its full of smog. its because there is lack of cloud cover(water)

carbon by itself does have negative impacts on human lungs and also environments of tree's and plants. and algea.
but the correlation between carbon and temperature has been disproven by the frosts of smoggy london vs the heatwaves of clear sky london

the correlation of temperature related to water content in the sky has always existed

remember ground temperature and upper atmosphere temperature are in total different atmospheres.
its not as simple as saying carbon causes heat rises. but it is more simple to show the water associations of heat rises

when water is not evaporation country wide on masses of hectares of wetlands its not creating masses of clouds spaced out to keep the wide area wet when it rains
however the limited evaporation in reservoirs causes clouds in that area. that then release as rain in the nearby mountains to keep fueling the reservoir below. whilst not really releasing their rain in the dry lands in the other direction
thus chain reaction of drylands below/away from a reservoir getting dryer and the mountain elevations getting wetter thus causing more floods.

the whole deforestation is about the dryland/flatlands drying out due to industry. so people move into more fertile land thats prown to rainfall. so the biggest concern is not carbon effecting drylands to then cause forest fires. but saboteurs destroying forrests to then buy the burnt land cheap to make into farms now its no longer a forrest. yep fire is cheaper to destroy a forest than getting a lumber company to strip the land

yep its all human caused. but trying to shift the blame on carbon is all saying its consumer demand caused and about getting funding to move away from carbon because the coal industry wont survive another 50 years on coal alone as supplies are depleting. they need to shift to other energy methods. but they pretend that coal can continue for centuries and the move is for 'the environmental choice' .. the reality is its for continual profit via government/charity grants to diversify away from a business that is running out of supplies

enjoy your research
10177  Other / Off-topic / Re: HEROIN-The devastating drug on: September 16, 2020, 06:20:34 AM
The government is the biggest pusher of opiates, and many addicts are created through the mis-prescription of heroin like drugs.

jetcash. your a brit. so understand that your not refering to UK government. you are just reading scary stories from american people on the places you get your info
the american government dont push the drugs, they just allow 'capitalist' family clinics to make profit at the cost of their patients
..
anyway. the issues with heroine is when people first try it they have the clear mind to look for the good quality stuff.
but once addicted all they can think about is getting the next fix so willing to take the risks of bad 'filler' stuff because its all you can afford now. and trying to get a clean needle when your raging with a craving makes you less concerned about the risks and only concerned about how fast you can inject it. and because different dealers fill it with different things. sometimes you get a weak 'high' so next time you double dose. which if it happen to be a high concentration from another source. you then overdose

10178  Other / Off-topic / Re: do you think Healthcare and College should be free for all in the US? If so, how on: September 16, 2020, 06:10:20 AM
Does anyone fear that free healthcare disrupts natural selection and wonder what long term effects will result?

only americans that never experienced free healthcare.
so about 320m out of 7.5bill..= 4.2% of the world fears free healthcare
10179  Other / Off-topic / Re: do you think Healthcare and College should be free for all in the US? If so, how on: September 15, 2020, 09:09:36 PM
as for college tuition. this can be done very cheap too
home learning. in the UK there is the 'open university' that has been around for decades. and it can be very cheap to run 'remote learning courses'. the student also saves on not having to pay for a special college dorm as they just stay home with family

this way all people that cant afford proper college can still learn the stuff but without all the premium experiences. thus just get through the courses and pass.
i think education needs to change anyway. i would love to see all college tutors video their classes/lectures and have them on a youtube style platform where people can actually select their favourite tutor and can vote on which tutor/lecturer teaches a certain subject in a certain favoured style. thus student can choose their lecturer.
the lecturer gets paid per view. thus by being a good lecturer and earning votes/views means the best lecturers get paid the most. all while making it very little cost to the student/government budget
10180  Other / Off-topic / Re: do you think Healthcare and College should be free for all in the US? If so, how on: September 15, 2020, 09:04:53 PM
Here's why health care is so expensive in the US. I'm quoting Kyle from "Secular Talk"
Quote from: Secular Talk (Kyle Kulinski)
The US healthcare system is a scam, on top of a scam within a scam. Like, there's multiple levels and degrees of scamming going on.

Video title: Doctor Charged $10,984 For $8 Covid Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g9coGWppYg
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-doctor-went-to-his-own-employer-for-a-covid-19-antibody-test-it-cost-10-984
the insurance do not actually pay the $10k
they say its $10k. if the person was uninsured. because they know that a third of uninsured people default so they ramp up the cost to cover those that default
also to get the real money from people via the co-pay. they have to ramp up the fake cost to make it look like they are getting a great deal on it

what actually happens is that although there is a $10k charge. they actually settle for only a couple hundred to cover the doctors 20 minute consultation the receptionists 10 minutes check-in. and the costs of PPE and test

yep when people have a $10k debt for not having insurance they could actually negociate a pennies on the dollar settlement or claim bankrupcy.
insurance companies are happy to sell $10k of 'debt' to debt collectors for just $200 as its a break even amount
and thats how insurance companies never lose
the pennies on the dollar selloff of unclaimed debt covers their cost.
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