i have no 3d 120Hz monitor but plan on buying one (depends on how my bitcoins are doing )
you need that stereoscopic bundle by nvidia (with card) for pc output (then with shutter technique) or newest version of powerdvd (or some other player) for polarising filter technique.
I will do some digging on the net how to get that going. really inspiring stuff!

holding strong and shit how i want stereoscopic realtime waves right now...
aaaand next dump coming in

i don't believe it. just left forum for some hours to watch a movie...
and i come back and see 3D charts.
Shit I had that stereoscopic idea in the old wall-thread 3 weeks ago.
I just imagine that data fed into unreal or cryengine and modifying some big planes in realtime.
f**k you could even run from fps perspective along the waves shooting some bears ;-)
i have to research that idea further if it's possible, seems like a real interesting art or game concept.
for the beginning these pics would look amazing as stereoscopic versions.
like this for example, but that will just be possible if you'd change to more mixedup colours. (sterescopic need pure red and green channels)



Thanks Richy_T for such cool stuff, I have to check out your code at the weekend.
need to sleep now...but let's open a thread for that stuff...call me hooked

besides...sorry for bumping that thread with pics...back to business

one positive aspect of the whole thing is that nothing is goxed up.
no minute long lag, no ddos.
just speculators playing together...i like that.


...okay 30s lag as i wrote that, but could be worse.

4th push starting (with some burpses in the beginning )

perhaps all bulls are waiting in the starting blocks around 100$ to rally back up to 120$.

but next dumps should be huge to push to double digits, right?.
Still there's a big wall at 100$

why are there hourly dumps for the last three hours? (ca. 12:30, 13:30, 14:30)
next dump in half an hour or am I just seeing things that are not there?

this.

haven't visited new wall thread too often last days but it got really rough tones compared to the old one.
Why is that thread called hardcore again?
(reminds me of that well-known netexperience when you search a subject on some forum and instead of getting the wanted information you can scroll through a multiple page flamewar.
Nice for voyeuristic tendencies and analyzing social deficiency but useless for this thread!)
please chill the f**k out, here 's a flower (to stick in your hair) and discuss that stuff in some battlearenathread where you can speculate with your egos.

sorry for getting too groovy, where were we?
ah perhaps someone post some charts, that could relax the mood...and really get some objective discussions going

perhaps you're right and this suggestion was a bit over the top for the bitcointalk-forums (especially in the speculation section) and would be at a better place directly at the exchanges.
I just thought with the ongoing spreading into the average john doe- mass consumer market every user of bitcoin would be better off with some instruction manual at the start.
But when bitcoin will have succesfully reached that far the value will probably be relatively stable and not that crazy rollercoaster ride we experience in recent times.
thanks for the feedback.

+1
although I'm bored after seeing more than 100 of these threads (kind of feels like that after some time).
it's always good to steadily inform more newcomers about the danger of panic-selling.
imo Everybody that buys their first bitcoin should get a little info about the advantages of holding as the best strategy as long as you're not used to the fast changing markets and all the speculation going on.
sell to strength is also really a good advice how to counter panic-selling!

perhaps some kind of info email with the registration or a locked thread would be good.
surely it's everybody's decision when to sell and buy but at least some recommendations for speculating and how to react to some market events would be really helpful.
I registered one week ago and before I have read quite a lot of threads for 2 months to get the hang of it how everything works in the bitcoin ecosystem.

It would be really cool to push such a dogma-like thread (it could evolve to a little info brochure pdf) for everyone to first read before freaking out on the forums about the values changing every hours.
Most people get the system of bitcoin at the start but nearly nobody but for longtime bitcoiners and guys with financial market knowledge has a clue what's up with all the trading and speculating on the markets.

That is just my impression after some time, i could be wrong but it sounds like a good idea to me.
Perhaps it's naive to give infos how to behave to a completely liberated market, but at least it would prevent some people from panic-selling.

any feedback?

bought most of my bitcoins via bitcoin.de.
it's a relatively small exchange with direct money transfers between user's bank accounts. (ca. 50.000 user accounts so far)
(prices compared to mt. gox suck big time, but i still wait for finishing of my sepa transfer and right now I'm not too sure how long the gox account in poland will stay as it's mentioned others there are already shut down)
today that exchange anounced a planned collaboration with some partner from financial sector (perhaps in germany?) which could lead to some bigger exchange in europe.
we'll see if it's just bragging but it definitively sounds like some good developement for european exchanges.
And somewhere on the forums i read that there's some exchange soon to open in london.
I'm curious how governments will start reacting to the fast expansion of this sector.

67.5

+1

at the beginning i started refeshing that wall observer thread everyday because I wanted to check where my little investment is going.
But after some time I realized that I went into that game not for shortterm speculation but because I believe in the idea behind that whole thing.
The problem is that as a newbie on these forums you're sucked into the fiat/bitcoin value spiral very very fast, because fiat is the only value you're used to since being born.
Let the bulls and bears have their fun, it's just another playground favoured because of the high margin profit.
Bitcoin is still in the toodler stage and it takes quite some time to grow up.
Seeing the internet as a virtual world it's just logical that someday it would get its own currency.
Bitcoin exists on the internet now for a relatively long time span and that is the biggest argument that it's not just a little hype that will disappear.
As with everything an idea always has its ups an downs, but if it's good enough the world will open and give it its place.
The market for bitcoin has to comply with the fast spreading and decentralise so that the value is not just depending on one big exchange but many more different factors of influence.

I know it's sometimes a bit too abstract to compare the internet to the history of the real world. (I always see its timeframe now as kind of shortly after digital middleage)
My theory is that bitcoin is a virtual resource that will be used for trading like gold many many years ago. (Although its bound to fiat standard at the moment)
And perhaps someday that status could even be replaced by another kind of virtual currency that correlates more to fiat money then bound to bitcoin standard.
(I haven't read too much about ripple, but it sounds like a first approach to that for me)
Because internet has a much faster developement curve compared to the history of the real world, it feels to me like I'm saving an amount of gold back in the days of the goldrush and looking to its value after 200 years.

In the end that's complete speculation and I'm just curious how this new idea will change everything depending on the influences of administrative powers.
Until then I'm holding like a bull having a winter sleep and blink from time to time to watch them ripping themselves apart while I eat some popcorn.

Registered 3.04 and got verification yesterday. took long but still in time of the promised 10 days.

by the way haven't payed attention to that pic for the last three posts.
back to business...uh gox not lagging and back at 100$
nice

Firstly, sorry that was perhaps a bit too much, i should have marked it as german irony

secondly, right perhaps i live in that small mulitcultural bubble in the city where i don't see the main problem. I know that breeding levels in germany are a problem and society is shifting more and more to excess of age.
But you can't say germans will become a minority in their own land. It's mixing up and society is sucking up a big part of the different minorities. Some of my best friends are this second generation of immigrants and they see themselves as germans with immigrant roots. I think that the european union surely is seesawing beetween melting together and segregating at the same time (more extremly during times of crisis), but i would foresee a developement like in USA. Sure it takes centuries for that to happen, but every american sees himself firstly as american and secondly as a mixture of different origins. imo europe is also going to become more and more a melting pot like america after a long period of time and no doubt there will be many battles but that's good for the longterm. Every destruction builds up a change to the better. At this topic I always think in timespans of 100 years or more. There will perhaps be some national dictatorshiplike tendencies in several countries that slow this progress down but in the end I believe there will be that european citizen that sees himself as that.

And about that Jungian philosophy you have to take in mind that with every next generation that part of our own history is handled with a much more distant and abstract approach and less feeling of being "guilty" that is "deep-rooted" in german brains. The movement of the first post-war generation in germany evolved 1968 because there was no real reflection at all up to that point but mostly denial (I'm second post-war generation and sure i heard things from my grandfather, but personally the only thing i internalized from it all is no feeling of guilt but awareness of what's happening politically and going on the streets when things seem to go wrong.
There are countries around germany that have far more problems handling their history during that time because there was little to none internal reflection at all but complete denial and pushing guilt towards the germans. (e.g. italy with mussolini and the complicity in many countries that were occupied by nazi germany)


I think your thought process is kind of right at the beginning but personally it corresponds to me more to the mood in germany during the 90s. At the latest since World Cup 2006 things have changed. That was the first time since the fall of berlin wall that I saw germans had no feeling of guilt when waving their flag and since then the penny has dropped in a way.
but hey that's just my personal opinion and it's defintively not the opinion of the average man.
I just realize that perhaps i have a different kind of complex of guilt corresponding this subject. I channel it towards taking this a bit too serious and explaining my thoughts everytime it's mentioned. (so Jung there you are :-))
next time i just go "meh, i don't care", whatever thanks for that little sokratian self-awareness and I don't want to declare victory to that argument
but let's just say everyone has their opinion and it's good to see things from a different angle and think about it in a new way

i hereby proclaim this issue brought to an end

imo complete bullshit and a sight of germany that is from the late 90s.
I'm german and the multiculturalism has changed in the last decade for good.
Main problem in germany in the past was that every minority that came from other countrys to work here were mainly rural people that had much more tendencies to stay in their communities than people from bigger cities which pushed the segregation. that given and the problem of a more right than centered government for longer than 10 years (which made politics not in favor of multiculturalism) the reunion of germany build a vaccuum, because eastgermans haven't even met foreign people in their life, but for russians and people from exsovietunion states.
as a result many eastgermans got right-wing tendencies which peaked in an assault of a hostel for asylum seekers in rostock-lichtenhagen 1992.
after that the masses woke up and up to now every march of right-wing extremist in citys is accompanied by huge counterdemonstrations.
The second generation of immigrants especially turks is integrated in german society much better because of growth of their middleclass.
At the moment we have problems both with small rightextremist (Nationalsocialist Underground has killed 23 immigrants) and muslim extremist groups (mainly salafis).
But these people represent less than 1% of german society. imo in every other country there are the same problems, in germany it is dealt even better with it because of our history. (although the authorities still need to evolve in that point)
The flood of immigrants since the crisis right now is immense (50.000 people per month mainly from greece and spain), but they all go to the big cities which evolved to huge melting pots, where the prejudices are not as big as in rural areas.
So to finish my history lesson everythings going relatively well and i really doubt that during a big crisis germans start bashing the immigrants.
The right-wing groups will get more attention for sure, as in every country when a society starts crumbling, but i doubt that things will happen like in greece where small groups start hunting immigrants through the streets. (ok if everythings shattered every society has these phenomenons. in great-britain extremists would probably start hunting pakistanis)
The main advantage of german society is its past because that pushes awareness much more earlier to fight xenophobia than in countries that don't have that history.

sorry big post here, but as a german hearing such stuff quite often from foreigners this is the only thing that pushes in me some tendencies to be proud for my country.
and imo hitler is quite funny (you knew he was on meth most of the time at the end?), we have lot of parody movies of him.
(by the way merkel is a big fat bitch)
....back to bitcoin please!

imo you still can't compare bitcoin at the moment to silver or gold.
biggest gold reserves sit in usa and germany.
now guess how they can play with the prices when they want. (just have read in the news yesterday that cyprus perhaps has to pay part of the debts with their gold reserves
if this is becoming a trend other countrys should follow.)
more and more big players start gambling with bitcoins although the market for bitcoins itself is just slowly developing.
everyhting is at a point of virginity and in a kind of goldrush state.
there will be a lot of gambling between several bubble stages but if i look at the charts of these last years, the price is constantly climbing up.
If the regulating elites don't start crippling the hype, i see good times in the future for this whole thing.
and even if they try to regulate bitcoin, then the masses suddenly would hear "bitcoin" for the first time and start getting curious.
If a government wants to boycott something mostly a significant part of the masses does the opposite and wants to find out more.
It's like to tell a child to never start smoking although he never knew what a cigarette was in the first place.
and what will he do then???
right, start finding out what's up with that bitcoin thingy.
imo only big danger is that somehow the bad parents start buying in and control the famous 51% and with that like the gold market the whole thing.
It's not about the current price of bitcoins, it's about the possiblitiest and the genious idea behind it that stomps every fiat into the ground.
I love it that everythings about speculation right now. At this stage most governments will think everything will settle itself and it's just a short trend.
(same with internet, after one decade they started realizing they should have controlled it much more in the first place)

but to get to the point, nobody can predict the real value of bitcoin right now
it's pure speculation. but with this small market it's just constant extremes.
euro value dropped by one cent in the last weeks compared to usd and think about how big that market is. (it's by comparison a huge fall)
everythings gonna be fine in the longterm...and I'm holding