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481  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: November 08, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
482  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: November 08, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
Building? Poof, it's gone. Replaced by a $3000 shipping container.
What are you referring to? Franchising? Or did I miss something?

i think he's referring to this:

Not sure if this has been posted before. Some updates from AM:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByWHHc0u_thNSWhHS18xM2ZXSUU
483  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: November 08, 2013, 01:52:23 PM
now that's what i call foresight.
In some years these babies will build the strong backup of the network while mining for endconsumers slowly recesses

transformation initiated....


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484  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: November 08, 2013, 12:06:18 AM
485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2013, 06:36:30 PM
fell for the last bear shakeout and lost .6 btc. hanging in through this one. i've learned after 8 months in this game.

Did you notice the recent high of: 324.20?

I missed it. Too busy watching that IBM Finance Exec video on bitcoin.

Where can this video be watched ?

http://googleitfor.me/?q=IBM+Finance+Exec+video+on+bitcoin
486  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: November 07, 2013, 05:01:40 PM
It seems as though a majority of the images are trains or lego sets lately. Sad
simple explanation depending the trains:



Chooo Choooooooo ,Motherfucker  Grin
487  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: November 07, 2013, 02:15:54 AM
488  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: November 07, 2013, 01:33:30 AM
Over a million views Smiley

Cheers to friedcat, the next million views and the fuzzy future!



489  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox bitcoin withdrawal delay >:( on: November 07, 2013, 01:09:31 AM
i was already on it  Smiley
yap, they made a new one
false txid was: 36e4e5e360989373a50e65c2c82cba9df57c1a5cc9749a0ba1aeb5f26937f1c4
new one: 41e95e9857200386d7d8be89e7d2c3bf5161621e4677a8512102dffbeb67eaeb


So yours was double spent too...

Do you mind letting us know the amount? I want to see why you do your tx first while mine is more than 3 days.


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Estimated BTC Transacted    27.1096011 BTC

shit, 3 days delay is f**ed up, especially during rally times.
i don't know if my decent rant starting after 5 hours via request got gox support staff going, but i'm sure it didn't harm the overall process.  Grin
490  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox bitcoin withdrawal delay >:( on: November 07, 2013, 12:55:38 AM
same story here,
withdrew yesterday afternoon.
request answer:
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Thanks for your email and sorry for the inconvenience caused. Few BTC withdrawals are delayed and the transaction should eventually go through. We will update you once the transfer is complete.

Best regards,

Mt.Gox Team

no update but luckily coins arrived this evening. (more than 24 hours later!)

btc transferl taking longer than fiat....gox, seriously? Huh

Can you check if its the same tx id or did they make a new tx?

i was already on it  Smiley
yap, they made a new one
false txid was: 36e4e5e360989373a50e65c2c82cba9df57c1a5cc9749a0ba1aeb5f26937f1c4
new one: 41e95e9857200386d7d8be89e7d2c3bf5161621e4677a8512102dffbeb67eaeb
491  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox bitcoin withdrawal delay >:( on: November 07, 2013, 12:43:48 AM
same story here,
withdrew yesterday afternoon.
request answer:
Quote
Thanks for your email and sorry for the inconvenience caused. Few BTC withdrawals are delayed and the transaction should eventually go through. We will update you once the transfer is complete.

Best regards,

Mt.Gox Team

no update but luckily coins arrived this evening. (more than 24 hours later!)

btc transfer taking longer than fiat....gox, seriously? Huh
492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 06, 2013, 05:18:16 PM
i just convinced my barber to start accepting bitcoins.  Smiley
half an hour of haircutting and talking and he was hooked.
493  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TdH Traced 1000 Webcam Child Sex Tourists with a digital child on: November 06, 2013, 01:35:13 PM
honestly, you have a good point.....
That's a tough subject there...
i'll need some more contemplation on this one, thanks for posting your opinion.
You might want to read up a bit on the history of police enforcement of vice laws.  The things that you've described have a remarkable parallel to police entrapment of homosexuals in  back in the 1950-1960 era.  

District attorneys are usually interested in getting the arrest/conviction rates up, not down.    They hand out assignments and essentially, quotas.

I remember reading somewhere that today, a guy might walk out of a club, and feeling the need and the street being relatively deserted, take a leak in some corner.  But that today he might be arrested for this, for 'indecent exposure', and have the stigma of that arrest and conviction record.  In the past, that wouldn't have occurred.  Sounds like that's a reasonable projection of today's reality.

Of course then on the contrary, to have a police state you gotta have some stuff for police to do....

yea, i've had these parallels to homosexuality on my mind yesterday and that mainly drove the thought process to change my opinion here.

It's out of question that pedophilia by contrast to homosexuality is an anti-social sexual orientation and shouldn't be tolerated in our modern society,
but the way of pillorying must have to change first until entrapment can be considered a possible way to produce relief with successive therapy.
494  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TdH Traced 1000 Webcam Child Sex Tourists with a digital child on: November 06, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
Gee that's horrible.

I'm concerned about the abuse of digital characters by other digital characters.  All of the characters in Shrek are digital and some are horribly abused.  What are we going to do about that?  Like they get abused over and over - every time the movie is played or replayed.

You just know that someone is going to actually say that and mean it for real, have you seen what those morons say about Hentai? They're fucking lines and bits of colour! >_<

While I can agree this kind of thing can reveal things about our society as a whole it's also a dumb witch hunt attempt, there is no actual child involved and no violence and for once in law there is a very clear definition for this kind of thing, people can twist it up however they like and make up their own definitions but unless it's a real child being molested then there's nothing they can or should do without labelling themselves gigantic douchebags.

Going by this logic all sorts of crimes should be able to have legal entrapment, we'd start seeing piracy lobby groups putting out a fake torrent download ( I believe they already do things like this ) and claiming that anyone who downloaded it was committing a crime, yes, I am comparing this and yes, it's all the fucking same, I absolutely despise the self-righteous and the morally superior and refuse to have anything to do with them.

I must say after a second thought I've reconsidered my opinion.
the main problem is how society is dealing with this problem atm and how "solving" it with the common way of crime punishment always drives towards the mentioned "witch hunt".
My only hope here is that someday pedophilia will be treated by society as that what it is and psychologists will develop better methods to help these people than using strong medication with a lot of negative sideeffects or simply putting them away in prison.
As long as this isn't possible and society isn't open enough to deal with pedophiles in a more rational way, this will stay a witch hunt and won't get down to its roots.
495  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: November 06, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
*confused*

Can someone help? I had my shares transfered to friedcat, how can I transfer them from friedcat to some online stock exchange?

after creating an account at Havelock, these are the steps for a transfer of direct shares:

Somebody, please, explain me: how to sell my shares that was automatic transfer to Friedcat?
Importing Shares to Havelock Investment
There is no fee to import shares. There is no minimum quantity for importing shares.

How to Import Direct Shares:
1. Send an e-mail to fnnirvana@gmail.com & TAT Investments at tat.investments@gmail.com with the following message:

”Friedcat, please transfer (X) of my shares to the TAT Investments account at 1rHfXj4AwH9zymwwJuXnbXLiDbAE9V1uz -- tat.investments@gmail.com”

Also include the following info:
- Your current ASICMINER share-holding wallet address & e-mail address
- The quantity of shares you wish to transfer

2. If the e-mail address you have on file with ASICMINER is different than the one you use for your Havelock account, you MUST send an e-mail from the e-mail address you have registered with Havelock confirming this import request. If this is the case, please provided a dated, signed message from the host wallet to confirm ownership.
3. After confirmation from Friedcat is received, the AM1 shares will be added to your account within 48 hours or less.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for delays or errors in transfer confirmations by ASICMINER staff.
Please follow these instructions carefully to avoid problems.

496  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TdH Traced 1000 Webcam Child Sex Tourists with a digital child on: November 06, 2013, 05:00:24 AM
......
So as soon as a person logs on some chatroom he's a virtual person and therefore every social rule from the real life is cancelled and he can happily wank away in front of a ten year old child (even if it's a virtual model the other person still thinks it's real).....

Something about this sounds so totally weird I think you likely need to reassess what you are proposing - in fact reassess the premises behind your positions.

Obviously where you are headed is advocating police entrapment of perverts, some kind of persuasion of them to get them to take some illegal action so that they can be jailed.  This starts with presentation of fake animation of children on some kind of internet site - bait.  The fake animations would be used because real children shouldn't be subjected to such things.

That's a pretty sick game, bud.  You might want to read up a bit on issues and problems with the concept and implementation of entrapment.

honestly, you have a good point.
(reminds me of the story where US police left cars unlocked in an area and arrest people that drove away with them. my comparison is a bit off here as we're talking about virtual world but i get what you mean)

Now I understand your perspective and the thing with police entrapment.
i think we can agree the main problem lies more within the following aftermath and the stigma of pedophilia and how it's still treated in a "medieval" way in our society.
Imagine all of these traced people getting a letter or an email proposing them a psychologist near their neighbourhood to simply think about a treatment and learn how to handle these tendencies.
Unfortunately we are still far away from dealing pedophily openly and as an "anti-social" side of sexual orientation that has been there for many centuries and should be treated like that.

Sure if some young guy, still wet behind his ears, approaches this virtual avatar out of pure curiosity and is still unsure about this previously unknown side of his sexual orientation,
he will be marked for his life after a sentence and will in no way get the treatment to learn how to deal with it atm.
On the other hand a pedophile that is actively abusing children for some decades in real life and also regularly abuses underage children via webcam, is a constant potential threat for the environment around him and it would be better to keep him in closed treatment.

If I recall correctly police has already created honeypots with childporn.

I admit to a part that my perspective here is influenced by the perhaps utopian idea that more awareness on this subject will also alter its future treatment in society.
Your perspective is probably partly influenced by the rightful distrust against governmental authorities and their tendency for unobjective and excessive punishment. (and also their long tail of perverted developments, like privatization of prisons or a blown-up administrative machinery influencing the legislation processes to keep a constant moneyflow guaranteed in its own interest)

That's a tough subject there...
i'll need some more contemplation on this one, thanks for posting your opinion.


497  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TdH Traced 1000 Webcam Child Sex Tourists with a digital child on: November 06, 2013, 03:18:41 AM
Gee that's horrible.
I'm concerned about the abuse of digital characters by other digital characters.  All of the characters in Shrek are digital and some are horribly abused.  What are we going to do about that?  Like they get abused over and over - every time the movie is played or replayed.
well, thanks for contributing such a sensible comment to this thread, that was quite distracting. have you even watched the vid?  Roll Eyes
a little bit more empathy instead of sarcasm regarding this subject wouldn't have been wrong...

i don't know if the whole avaaz petition stuff will help this in any way,
but still it's a good attempt to fight human sex slavery and i felt like sharing it.
ARE YOU NUTS?
A person logs on to some chatroom with an avatar.  That's a virtual person.  A cop logs on to a chatroom with an avatar.  (in this case, of a certain age).  That's a virtual person.  There is no difference between this and what I described.  

Now let me guess - you'd ban the movie and book Lolita, right?  Or track the people that rented or bought them?

LOL...

i really don't get your perspective here.  Huh

So as soon as a person logs on some chatroom he's a virtual person and therefore every social rule from the real life is cancelled and he can happily wank away in front of a ten year old child?
It's not like these people purposely looked for a photorealistic 3d-model of a child as an avatar but assumed the child was real in the first place.

Should the virtual world grow along with some basic social and ethical rules or should it present a place free of any restrictions even if it involves real children in front of webcams?

and no i would neither ban the Lolita movies nor the book. I've seen both movies and have read the book and it widened my awareness.
Especially the book gives a very good insight of the bipolar life of a person with this complex.
Pedophilia though has nothing to do with this story.
498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TdH Traced 1000 Webcam Child Sex Tourists with a digital child on: November 06, 2013, 02:11:32 AM
Actually thinking about it was there a crime committed if you were with a virtual character? What happened if you knew all along it was a virtual character when the cops come scooping you up?
that is the same question as if it's okay to have a doll of a child at home and doing all kinds of things with it.
(http://www.vice.com/read/japan-trottla-dolls-lifesize-lingerie)

the whole pedophilia discussion is another story.
how should the treatment/punishment be? should it be considered as a "sexual orientation" like homosexuality or a psychological disease?
Is it best to castrate these people or put them on medication or simply exclude them from society and let them rot in a prison cell?

it wasn't my attempt to start a discussion here, but from a neutral point of view a man should know if he has a temporary "lolita complex"
(defined as fantasies about sexual intercourse with juveniles older than 12 years, which psychologically proven occurs during sexual orientation phase of a big percentage of men and is declared as being "natural")
or if he likes thinking about sexual intercourse with underage children (defined as pedophilia, children younger than 11 years, socially not accepted and treated as a crime).
In a well-educated society a rational and aware person should in the best case realize his pedophiliac tendencies quite early and get psychological treatment because he will have to deal with fighting and hiding this side of his sexual instinct until the rest of his life.
In sad reality though most pedophiles have a bipolar life, seeking release for their sexual drive anonymously on the web or even abusing children while in other countries (where it's either poverty driven or even partly tolerated because of religious/social traditions)


of course, it's a complete other story if it concerns your own children, then the safety/vengeance instinct gets active and repayment is the first thing that comes to my mind.


the movies "The Woodsman", "The Hunt" and "The Celebration" present some interesting thought approaches for this subject.
499  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TdH Traced 1000 Webcam Child Sex Tourists with a digital child on: November 06, 2013, 01:21:18 AM
Gee that's horrible.

I'm concerned about the abuse of digital characters by other digital characters.  All of the characters in Shrek are digital and some are horribly abused.  What are we going to do about that?  Like they get abused over and over - every time the movie is played or replayed.

well, thanks for contributing such a sensible comment to this thread, that was quite distracting. have you even watched the vid?  Roll Eyes
a little bit more empathy instead of sarcasm regarding this subject wouldn't have been wrong...

i don't know if the whole avaaz petition stuff will help this in any way,
but still it's a good attempt to fight human sex slavery and i felt like sharing it.

500  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: November 06, 2013, 12:46:30 AM
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