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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who lost money due to dogecoin? on: December 17, 2023, 03:50:21 PM
Not me. Doge went up by 50% recently and made me some nice profits. If you bought this when it was 60 cents, that's your problem and if you check the charts it didn't stay at 60 cents for long. It was a parabolic rise which was't sustainable. If you still believe in doge, now is a great time to collect them cheap coins even though it went up lately. I don't think memelords are done with this project so I am buying with 3.5 hands. My target price is $1 and I know it will hit $1 in the future that's a x10 return which is quite nice. It is not x100 or x1000 but those days are gone now.
All of this was thanks to Elon Musk alone. Five years ago, DOGE was worth less than a cent and nobody could imagine that it could grow so much. Probably a lot of people lost money when doge was worth 30-40-50 cents. But just as many people were able to make good profits.
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Trend or long term projects? on: December 16, 2023, 06:24:36 PM
Crypto is mostly unexpected and we don't know which token will give us high profit. sometimes we expect a big pump in the token and we believe that this project has a lot of potential but this token performance remains low throughout bull and bear season just like DOT and Cardano while some coins we often called them scam and spam pumped hard like ORDI, Pepe, Floki. It's all about trend when trend end then no one want to buy these coins.

What is your suggestions about profit from altcoins. Should we rely on only buying long term projects or we should invest according to trend despite of looking that trends coin will have no value in future?

If you are in for trading, go for trends. Who would wait for years when you can double your money in months.
If you are in for investment and have no time for the hassle of watching prices move everytime, find a good coin and put some money in it and wait till it x5.
Both strategies have its pros and cons. And you can go with both getting the fruits of both trees.
Another way of passive trading+investing is grid trading where you get the profit of price fluctuations till your coin gets to the desired price.
Trading cannot bring constant income, especially if it is margin trading. And to trade on the spot, just buying and selling coins, you need a large deposit for the profit to be tangible. In both cases there is a risk of losing your deposit. That's why it's probably best to just invest and wait.
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Time to be cautious: Everyone is not market expert on: December 16, 2023, 03:09:00 PM
Agreed people should avoid taking advices from bloggers or YouTubers especially during this bullrun .Most claimed to know a lot about cryptocurrencies advising people to buy that and sell that resulting mostly into losses because they themselves are not expert themselves. Some even offer mentorships programs for such ,so people should take care to avoid been scammed during this bullish move in the market.
Since everyone is not experts in the market, we need to be careful how to take decisions in the market. There are things we need to do to keep making profits from the market. It is important for us to measure and examine the market before we invest in any crypto projects.
The market is full with scam projects and if we make the mistake of investing in one of them, that might lead to rug pull which we will longer be able to take our money from the project. Even selling it will be hard for us to do.
Extreme caution needs to be exercised when trading the markets, not only the amount of scams in this market is alarming, the whales can also manipulate the price of the most popular coins on the market, so if you are a trader that uses leverage then you could easily get a margin call if the whales manipulate the price to take the opposite direction and you are not using a stop loss, so before making a single trade we need to think about all the things that could go wrong so we are not surprised when they happen and we can take the appropriate action.
Because of all these risks associated with trading, the easiest solution is not to trade frequently on the spot and to hold your coins on your personal wallet instead of on the exchange. No manipulation or scam will affect you and your coins. And of course it should be a good project and not meme coins.
124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Share your opinion on the market. on: December 16, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
If we see the date and the market conditions when this thread was created and today’s conditions, then there is a lot of difference to be honest. Bitcoins have really impressed us in this December. Now Bitcoins average price is around 40k USD, so it’s pretty good what we were assuming at the starting of September. If this pace is followed by Bitcoins then definitely by 2024, we will see a new ATH price. So we need to just accumulate as many coins as we can and wait for the market to boom up.
It seems to me that before the halving the bitcoin price may fall again. Now the market situation is a bit like 2017, when everyone was also waiting for bitcoin etf, after which the dump happened. Maybe that time the price is also rising because of etf expectations.
125  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2023 Elliott Wave on: December 16, 2023, 12:41:34 PM
What hurry are you for the (i) to finish?
could reach over $50k
and the (ii) after 40k$ Grin

A steeper pullback now would reset the overbought technical momentum indicators, and would then bode well for the next uptrend wave to blast through $50K  Grin

Yes, although the market often does the opposite of what we believe,
how to continue rising with overbought.
Well, they are possible scenarios.
There is nothing happening in the market without an explanation, only that people do not often know the reason why the market made some moves. This is mainly because they might not have the right set of indicators/strategies that will point in that direction or warn them of the possible things which the market might do. And if the strategy/indicator has already pointed to an overbought/oversold condition, it means that the trader needs to be careful and take no decision at that time no matter how they are being tempted to do. This subsists even if they see the market move so much in the direction, just as they always believe they would have gained through it, but it could be a trap. What happens at that time is that the market sentiment is strong at the time and it will take time before it subsides. But for those who have the scalping and short-term ambition towards the market trading, they can still continue to gain towards that direction until the market does otherwise. But must be ready to manage their trading account tightly and use tight stop loss as well.

Also about Bitcoin, it's obvious that it's overbought, it would be slowing the bullish movements down if it didn't shed so many pips it gathered in order to take a breath so as to have the needed power to launch further upwards. But I doubt if the $50,000 will happen again this year. In the process of the coin taking this corrective breath, it would take time before it achieves that even as it still continues to make a bullish pattern again. The year is almost gone and 2 weeks is not enough to achieve this.
That's not quite right. Usually in the market something happens first, then the price reacts to this event, then news appears. The cryptocurrency market is very manipulative, so sometimes price movements are not in favour of traders. Of course there are global things that affect all markets, but in cryptocurrency there are often surprises.
126  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 15, 2023, 05:41:05 PM
This might be that one UCL season where we might have a surprise winner or a team who wasn't top 3 favorite to win before the tournament began. Personally I won't count out PSG as this team could come out of nowhere and score 3 goals in 10 minutes , then we have Bayern who could do the same and I think between these 2 teams , one of them will be the final winner.

I say this because we all saw how Barcelona are doing in UCL and they are not playing great football at all , then we have City who really likes to concede goals and then we have Real who without Bellingham in a great night , they barely score or win.

I think Manchester City is still a title candidate this season and ya, even though you think Manchester City seems to be conceding easily. But ya, the reality is that Manchester City has a way to overcome it well too because after all, in this group phase Manchester City is a team that has a higher goal productivity than other teams. Therefore, at least Manchester City is not bad and not weak at all, because Manchester City still has good chance too to be considered until the final match.

Instead of considering PSG who might be able to make a surprise, I think it will be more interesting about Arsenal and maybe also Atletico. Because yes, for me PSG still does not have a good chance to be a candidate team that will go further. Because yes, for me PSG is quite often disappointing for results in the Champions League, moreover PSG also seems to be still difficult to get the right rotation to stay focused in Ligue 1 and in the Champions League.
You forgot to mention Bayern, who are also very strong at the moment. Of course Manchester City are cup contenders, but I think that this season Bayern can make it to the final too. PSG are also good, but usually they don't do well in the playoffs.
127  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN BULLISH PENNANT. on: December 15, 2023, 04:54:05 PM
^^ And just like that, bitcoin broke $40k and then goes up to as high as $45k if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, it did shows a bullish pennant that week when the OP posted his prediction/speculation. But I guess this has been invalidated already as we have reach that price.

Although if we will continue, there are some minor corrections going to $40k-$41k after that huge push.

Now, $40k is the support line again, as after that correction, bullish momentum still persists in this market as we are now in the $43k'ish.
I am not sure that all these technical analysis figures are working correctly. For example now it was clear that bitcoin will rise because a lot of Tether was printed and also many people expect a new spot etf. But things can happen a bit differently and the price can fall. Because it's too early for bitcoin to grow fully. It should happen after the halving.
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is the only currency that has grown the most!! on: December 15, 2023, 02:48:58 PM
It is important to note that every new cycle altcoins have new trends. Therefore, some coins do make crazy profits for investors who managed to guess the trend. But many coins don't grow that well. That is why bitcoin is more reliable and grows every new cycle.
The new altcoin trend is also only temporary and this occurs more often when new altcoins are listed on large exchanges such as several altcoins that have entered the Binance exchange this month. But for Bitcoin, I see that almost everyone can take advantage of it in each cycle by relying on their individual abilities, while altcoins can be relied on by a small number of investors who are hunting for temporary profits before they take all those profits to buy Bitcoin.
Of course, things change very quickly in the cryptocurrency market, unlike traditional markets. So if you invest in cryptocurrencies, you need to constantly do your own research and be ready to sell your coins to buy others. It's probably a good time to buy altcoins because bitcoin has already done x3 this year. But before or after halving, it's better to buy bitcoin.
129  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is the only currency that has grown the most!! on: December 15, 2023, 01:10:55 PM
Present, there are many altcoins in the crypto market and they have grown a lot. But it has gone down and gone again, but Bitcoin is the only currency that hasn't gone down yet, instead it's going up. I've noticed that Bitcoin has grown the most over the past couple of days, but altcoins haven't grown as much in comparison. Currently, we see Bitcoin market above $44000, I think it will bring $45000 very soon. Will Bitcoin Touch $50,000 By This December?  What do you think about the way the Bitcoin market is currently growing?

Altcoins have their own time that they do very well and that is after Bitcoin has gotten most profit due to the halving effect. It's better to buy Bitcoin before and after the halving as you'll sure of profits, after Bitcoin has had its share of the market then the altcoins will start pumping as traders take their profits and start pumping their favourite altcoins. Bitcoin isn't the only cryptocurrency that have grown the most but it's growing very well as investors are pumped.

We have other cryptocurrency that have done very well but we have more of altcoins that are giving losses as money is going out of the altcoins market into Bitcoin as everyone is accumulating Bitcoin for the bull market that is expected to come before and after the halving is completed. Bitcoin can be relied on but it isn't giving the most profits. Altcoins can give you more profits but can't be relied due to greed from  the communist supporting the altcoin.
It is important to note that every new cycle altcoins have new trends. Therefore, some coins do make crazy profits for investors who managed to guess the trend. But many coins don't grow that well. That is why bitcoin is more reliable and grows every new cycle.
130  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 15, 2023, 09:22:41 AM
@hd49728 Juventus definitely have the advantage of playing only in the Serie A because they’re able to concentrate all their resources to win the league title. Furthermore I strongly feel that Milan won’t win the title because of dropping in the Europa League as playing Thursday night football will effect the player’s and it may even cause them lots of fatigue if they keep progressing ahead in the Europa League tournament.
In terms of focus, Juventus should be more superior. because they will only compete for Serie A and the Italian Cup. compared to other competitors such as Inter and Milan who have to divide the players' focus on the Champions League and Europa League. Of course, fatigue can occur in players in the main squad if player rotation is not carried out well by the coach.
Sometimes coaches are reluctant to replace their best choice of players, but this actually harms the players' own performance.
That should be the case and it can be seen now that Juventus has been quite consistent so far because only focusing on Serie A matches is also beneficial for the Juventus team which is trying to recover and be better than last season.
This season Juventus is back in competition for the Scudetto.

This week, Juventus will face Genoa. If you look at the last few matches between the two teams, Juventus should not have any difficulties because Genoa has not found its best performance so far, and that is inversely proportional to Juventus.
You are probably right that Juventus should have no problems in today's game against Genoa. But Genoa haven't lost the last four home games. Of course those games were against lesser opponents than Juventus, but I don't think this game should be called easy.
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stay away from crypto influencers on: December 14, 2023, 07:30:44 PM
Influencers now are just like those Shitcoin shillers , they are being paid to make projects looks great but in the end scammers lol

Never that I trust any of them from crypto influencers to Gambling influencers(in which the most popular nowadays)
instead I trust only my own digging to find which project or coins to invest and risk my money, or much better to seek answers in this forum that letting myself being fooled by them.
Indeed this forum will not allow you to scam, or the chances of this will be minimal, unlike Twitter or YouTube. But unfortunately the forum is not very popular, unlike other sites. You are right to try to do research on your own.
132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Memecoins Vs legit Altcoins in 2023 on: December 14, 2023, 05:58:55 PM
It seems, this year will be full of memecoins. What do you think? Why memecoin launching is increasing so much in this year?
I noticed that Memecoin, which is often driven by hype and social media trends. Nowadays the number of people in the online world has increased so much that the popularity of certain memecoins has increased based on online trends and social media influence. Due to the increase in social media population nowadays, some crooks are luring people. People mainly find cheap, since meme coins are cheap people are attracted there. Scammers often take advantage of this by promoting Meme Coin with false promises and hype, causing many people to lose their money. Overall, although MemeCoin may generate buzz and short-term speculation, it will basically sink everyone.

Though there are some who can earn from investing with meme project, but the majorities will fail, those who come in late will suffer from
huge losses since big bag holders already cashing out their profits.

You needed to work well with your DYOR if you are planning to throw some money with this kind of investment, but if you are not willing to take the big risk, it's better to invest with good asset mostly on the top rank projects.

Already high in value and volume but with growing community and continuous progress, the chance to see rising in value still possible.
Yes, it is better to invest in time-tested projects. But the main thing is that they should not be old coins that have already lived several cycles. Such projects will not give much profit. Although probably such an investment will be less risky.
133  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: December 14, 2023, 04:28:00 PM
Paris Saint Germaine has been impressive in the league but but struggled in the UEFA Champions League competition. Had Newcastle United defeated AC Milan yesterday PSG would've not progressed to the knockout stages of the competition with that draw at Borussia Dortmund. They have a very strong squad but the manager must learn how to make good use of his players in the European Cup
Of course you are right PSG has been impressively doing well on this league season, actually considering there wining over all statistics on this French league one, they have played 13 matches on this league One , from September till date and they have made a quite impressive improvement and performance because out of the 13 matches they have played, they have won 11 matches and draw only two and have not lose any match, what a brilliant performance I wonder if they had channeled all the energy and performance on there champions League matches how far they would have gone.

Because there performance on the champions League is not like there performance on this French league, they seem a little bit struggling on the champions league group but however they manages to secure the second position on there group and however if they manage to beat Lile on there next match it will really give them a good edge over most of there competitive team.


PSG performed poorly at the start of the Champions League season and in Ligue 1. I remember how they couldn't get points to get to the top of the standings. But now they are successful in the two leagues. But if there are a lot of doubts about the Champions League, then about Ligue 1 I think they are in great shape.
134  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 14, 2023, 01:56:23 PM
AC Milan was unlucky because although they had made epick comeback and win important match against Newcastle but it doesn't make them to qualified to the round of 16 and after group stages ended Milan have to satisfied with their current position because Milan finish at 3rd place and this make Milan will playing at Europa league soon and Milan is a big team who failed to displayed good performance and now they have to fight at this competition

But i am not really sure if we called Milan as the favourite or not because their recent achievement in this competition is not really impressive and last time they were playing at Europa league on 2021 and at group stages Milan indeed can able to finish at first place but their journey have to stopped at round of 16 because at that time they have to eliminated by Manchester United moreover this season Milan performance in all competitions is not stable so i doubt Milan can able to performing well in this competition

It shouldn't be a big problem for Milan to become one of the favorites in the European League. Even though they haven't appeared consistently enough this season in Serie A, I still think Milan will be able to compete with the strong teams that first got through the Europa League group stages. but Milan must try hard to compete with Roma, Atalanta, Liverpool, and Leverkusen. In terms of quality, Milan should be able to compete. but we'll see how prepared they are for the Play off match.
Regarding Milan's Europa League chances, Im undecided. Some great moments have occurred in their Serie A games, but their inconsistency worries me. They're talented, but delivering consistently is another matter.

Competition follows. Facing Roma, Atalanta, Liverpool, and Leverkusen is difficult. These teams have delivered in Europe. Leverkusen and Liverpool are tricky, so Im wary. Milan must perform well to stand a chance. Strategize, prepare, and maybe be lucky—not just have good players. They have my support, but Im not expecting much. I hope they change my mind
Yes, Milan are probably the strongest club to make it into the Europa League right now. At some point they had a crisis, but they managed to solve this problem and now they are playing well again. Milan will probably qualify for the final as well as Liverpool.
135  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 14, 2023, 12:22:07 PM
Quote from: kawetsriyanto
Quote from: Davian144
Even though there is a greater possibility for Napoli to win the match at home when facing Cagliari, I think Napoli should not underestimate a team like Cagliari because this season Cagliari also often surprises in matches with other big teams. So Napoli also have to be more serious in facing Cagliari because every victory must always be achieved with struggle. Because victory will not come by itself if the team does not try more seriously even though the team they are facing is a small team.
In theory, Napoli must win against Cagliari. Napoli has a better squad and they also will play the match at home. We know that Cagliari is in the 16th place, it is not very far from the relegation zone. From this position, we also know that Cagliari is not in their good performance this season. So, playing against weaker team like Cagliari which isn't in their good performance, Napoli must get full points. However, I agree that we don't underestimate any team in Serie A because the small team can be an obstacle if they can play as a solid team during the match. But I believe that Napoli will beat Cagliari with big scores in the upcoming match.

Based on what Napoli showcased in the champion league competition to defeated  SC Braga 2-0 show that they are about to recover from their losses they experienced from some matches, and there is a hope for Napoli to defeat their opponent in their next match to set to take back the first position in the Italian league table before the end of the tournament. If you look at Cagliari performance in this season, you will believe that Napoli will use them to improve their points in this match, because they don't have potential squads that can stop Napoli not to achieve victory from this match, and Victor Osimhen and other strikers will use their opportunity well to help the team to score goals that will give their fans joy.
I don't know how Napoli can get to the top of the standings when they are more than ten points behind Juventus and Inter. It seems to me that the main goal for Napoli this season will be to get into the Champions League zone.
136  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 13, 2023, 08:08:01 PM
My guess is that Newcastle will win against AC Milan and Dortmund will end in a draw against PSG.
I'll like this possibility more because I want PSG to be knocked out and I want either of Milan or Newcastle to qualify, but I eont think that would happen. I believe PSG will win Dortmund today.
Hoping that PSG will be eliminated will be a difficult hope. PSG will get 8 points if a possible draw occurs. Newcastle will get the same points as PSG if they win over AC Milan.
The goal statistics may be that Newcastle will be in third place if PSG draws and Newcastle wins.

PSG will be desperate to win over Dortmund because PSG is very ambitious in the Champions League, even the Champions League trophy is the trophy that PSG dreams of.
PSG really dream of winning the Champions League. But they couldn't do it once, even when Messi and Neymar played in the team. Now PSG has not many chances to become champions, competition among top clubs. Manchester City, Bayern, Real Madrid have a better chance.
137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Is Bitcoin Price Increasing? on: December 13, 2023, 06:49:17 PM
We know that the current cycle is different than the previous one, because institutional investors are starting to become bitcoin savvy, and maybe they are already aware of crypto technology, and indirectly that the crypto industry has a bright future ahead to get wider technology adoption.

Yes in such a scenario it could happen, but I want to question where they get the profit from the formation of the bitcoin ETF? is it from transaction fees that are done or what? I am still hesitant in this case about traditional exchanges that want to market bitcoin on their platform with their ETF products.


In essence the cycles are very similar while the ingredients that keep those cycles running and recurring change in composition over time. You mentioned the institutional investors and that is certainly one reason why Bitcoin went places in the last few years. But we can't really know whether some of the institutional investors have been investing into Bitcoin for a long time now. They might not have announced it publicly because they first wanted to grow their holdings without sparking excitement and miss out on favorable prices, but it's possible that they have been stacking up for a long time now and just now begin to make a case for Bitcoin. Don't underestimate the big players here, they know very well that Bitcoin is a must have of any reasonably composed and diversified portfolio.
I don't know anything about institutional investors because the rumours have been around for the last five years. But the cycles and market manipulation have not changed. One thing is clear that the big companies have been around for a long time. If the etf is accepted, the big money will be in the market officially.
138  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buying at 35k? on: December 13, 2023, 05:10:34 PM
I think if you have bought bitcoin when the price was $31k and are still holding it, then now you will get a big profit if you sell now especially since the bitcoin price is currently in the range of $43k-$44k. You are very lucky to have bought bitcoin when the price was $31k. Never be afraid to buy if you are sure because you can be sure that profits will accompany those of you who patiently wait until the time comes to take advantage.
Those who bought Bitcoin at a price of $20K will be much luckier and are still holding it now because the profit is more than 100% and that is certainly quite enjoyable because it only took a year to get that big profit. So the ones who regret it now are those who were afraid to buy Bitcoin when the price was still quite cheap, like when it was $20K or $25K.

yes, I think so too, many people always doubt when it comes to buying, even though they are actually sure,
but for bitcoin such doubts still exist because people who buy bitcoin I think have investments in medium and large amounts.
There is no need to look at those who have doubts about buying Bitcoin, because in general we only need to look at anyone who is still very confident in buying Bitcoin and can still find maximum profits through Bitcoin. Because those who hesitate to buy Bitcoin will definitely regret it when they see the price increase in Bitcoin.
The problem is that those who research the market constantly can make a profit, even if they have to wait a year or more to do so. But when the hype starts, newbies start coming into the market and buying coins at the top. Agree that if you bought bitcoin at 50k two years ago, you would not reason about any profit until now.
139  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 12, 2023, 03:10:58 PM
After successfully beating Barcelona, Girona is increasingly confident in catching up with Real Madrid. Now Girona has become a new force in La Liga, beating the popularity of Barcelona and Atletico, their performance so far has provided new competition in La Liga. The main goal is of course to win the La Liga trophy, even though it is difficult to compete with Real Madrid, they will try to record new history since the founding of the club. Qualifying for European competition is a bonus from their efforts so far, of course they are very enthusiastic about securing tickets to Europe, but the La Liga trophy remains the priority.
Girona showed the world that they were able to compete with big clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid, and others. The coach from Girona made good use of the loan players, and in the end, they bought many of them and were permanently at Girona, with the support of players who could work as a team. Good results will provide satisfactory results. Míchel's job is to continue to make the team play well and, as far as possible, not trigger internal problems so that the players' inner condition is maintained and they remain enthusiastic about helping each other on the field.
Girona have been a sensation this season, not only in La Liga, but in the whole of Europe. They really managed to show that a small club is also capable of becoming champions. But the season is not over yet and the most interesting thing will be waiting for us after the winter break. I hope that they will be able to continue to please us with good results.
140  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 12, 2023, 01:20:15 PM
Well I see Arsenal winning PSV Eindhoven in this match in order for them to continue their good Champions league form this Season though since they've qualified for the knockout stages it may seems as if they won't be taking this match against PSV seriously but they will play to win and with the fact that they lost their league match on Saturday night will make the club to work hard to win PSV so that they won't record Consecutive losses.
Don't underestimate PSV, they're the best in their domestic league and most of their results in Champions League were end in draw. Since Arsenal has no reason to win and PSV only need to earn one point to secure their position, I think this match should be end in draw.

Arsenal wasn't playing good in the last match.
If there is a draw, it's good for both teams. But if Arsenal don't care about this game, then PSV should definitely try to play well. So I am sure that PSV will play for a win to guarantee themselves second place in the group.
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