Well, Ethereum is under priced as a factual statement, when compared to making mining hardware investments into other crypto-currency hardware.
A 5 card overclocking friendly premium RX 480's rig and PC investment is $1450 mining ethereum at $0.10 electricity is 330 day ROI.
A Antminer S9 and Antminer PSU investment is $1443, return on investment is 191 days.
Assuming, both investments are mining at max output.
Clearly, this does prove, that Ethereum is under-priced up to 42% relative to people buying Bitcoin mining hardware.
either underpriced or over difficultied. if some miners left you'd get your ROI earlier  The big investors can prove if it is under priced. the big guys ? like who ? pump and dumpers ? |
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Well, Ethereum is under priced as a factual statement, when compared to making mining hardware investments into other crypto-currency hardware.
A 5 card overclocking friendly premium RX 480's rig and PC investment is $1450 mining ethereum at $0.10 electricity is 330 day ROI.
A Antminer S9 and Antminer PSU investment is $1443, return on investment is 191 days.
Assuming, both investments are mining at max output.
Clearly, this does prove, that Ethereum is under-priced up to 42% relative to people buying Bitcoin mining hardware.
are you really comparing ethereum with bitcion? seriously ? |
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Each one is very free to do what he wants with his money, I will wait to pay no more than 0.001 per ETH
Sorry, but this will not be. It is only your dreams, without any analysis. You expect that price will fall more than 7 times  Ignore the trolls, some people were born to lose lol actualy i do not lose becouse i sold this coin soon enough now its falling.how did i lose ? are you holding ? if yes. be so kind and let not otheres pay for your stupid decition. be honest and tell that the coin is falling. and might and will and soon are wishes no fakts. so right now its falling and small investors should get out. no one can promis it will rise again. not even vitalik. he never says anything about price. he tells about ideas visions but those can also come true on a other chain. roodstock etc and some others. and if they come true its not said the price will get back to ath. and with this pos implementation i see no price rising. |
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Each one is very free to do what he wants with his money, I will wait to pay no more than 0.001 per ETH
Sorry, but this will not be. It is only your dreams, without any analysis. You expect that price will fall more than 7 times me expect that too. ETH will go POS and with that the price will fall below 1$.in best or to a few cent. thats natural price is made by trading no miners no trading needs . miners usualy mine and sell. they dont hold. staking means holding. or dont you agree. |
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So angedacht waren ja von mir 2000,- ... die Richtung stimmt, der Winkel auch  wo bleiben die Leitmedien? Mal so nachgefragt warum eigentlich jetzt, Jahresendrally oder wie? weil das Geldsystem fällt... das Vertrauen in dieses, in den Leitmedien (TV Radiosender) gibt es nicht ein Wort um den EU Rechtsbruch durch Italien zur Bankenrettung, nicht eins. Gar keins Viele Menschen die dennoch es lesen und mit sicherheit auch Menschen mit Macht und Geld, muss klar sein, das ein Gesetz im Schuldensozialistischen EU-Reich gar kein Gesetz ist. Es ist eine Hülle aus Schein statt Sein. - So werden vereinbarte Haushaltsdefitzite Obergrenzen der einzelnen Länder NICHT eingehalten, das geht seit Jahren. - Schuldenobergrenzen nicht eingehalten. - und nun wird das Gesetz gebrochen welches erst 2015 durch die EU geschaffen wurde.. kann man der EU noch vertrauen? da geb ich dir recht ein reicher bekommts mit der angst und sucht sich wege seine kohle zu retten. |
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Ich bin ein vollkommener Befürworter digitaler dezentraler Währungen. Die Angst die mich jedoch immer wieder überkommt ist, dass durch ein simples Gesetz welches den Bitcoin verbietet, alles zusammenbrechen wird. Gerechtfertigt wird dieses Gesetz ganz simpel: Es geht um die Sicherheit des Landes.
Automatisch wird der Großteil den Glauben in dezentrale digitale Währungen verlieren, eine Panik tritt ein, der Kurs bricht vollkommen ein und übrig bleiben ein paar Idealisten und Nerds, welche den illegalen Bitcoin als zukünftige Wertanlage bunkern. Denn kaufen kann man dann nichts mehr.
Ich wäre froh wenn mir jemand mitteilt, dass meine Befürchtung so nicht eintreten kann aus Gründen die ich nicht bedenke.
Neben einer technischen Panne ist genau das ein ziemliches Problem, ABER umso mehr Leute daran teilnehmen umso unwahrscheinlicher wird es. Wenn Gabriel (nur als Beispiel) +10% seines Vermögens in Bitcoin hat wird er garantiert nicht mehr gegen den Bitcoin irgendwo stimmen. So läuft der Hase also schön den Glauben ähm ich meine die Bitcoins verteilen und dann genießen  Diese Abstimmung (sollte es de überhaupt geben) würde sicher vor erreichen einer kritischen Bitcoinuser-Masse gemacht werden. Die Mächtigen da draußen sind sicherlich bestens informiert, glaub kaum dass die überrascht feststellen, dass es plötzlich zu spät ist. nun gut lass uns mal annehmen der fall tritt ein( wie in china and in russland bereits probiert und wieder zurückgenommen) sagen wir ein staat wie deutschland beschliesst den bitcoin zu verbieten. die die bitcoinhaben sind nicht registriert. aber sie wären illegal. hmmm fragt sich ob das dann noch jemanden kratzt. bitcoin kann ich mousen in ein email packen durch rauchzeichen übertragen oder einfach loccalbitcoin nutzen. wie soll so ein gesetz executiert werden?handies einsammeln das netz abdrehen? internet abschalten ? ( hat schon im arabischen flühling nicht geklappt) china konnte es nicht und russland hat auch kapituliert. wenn wasser mal verschüttet ist lässt es sich nicht mehr einfangen. so ist es auch mit bitcoin. |
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Using negatives to pump, that's a new one why do they aplaud when JP morgan puts themselfs again as a middleman between A and B gosh how dumb can one be |
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It will not 1:1 if the ETC is still a hack coin. what do you mean by a hack coin? the ethereum predao got not hacked. the attacker used the code like suposted. it was poor security. well the devs or as the called themselfs the white hat hackers robin hood did exactly the same ? so are the core devs hackers too ? now after that etc never had any attacks the attacks that followed acoured in eth i dont say it cant happen to etc but it seems noone want to attack etc and the bugs or holes in code get closed in etc every time eth is attacked. why do you say etc is a hack coin ? do you know ore then i do ? |
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why could a hacker take all the forum data ? why wasnt there security
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How long will the pump last? why do you think this is a pump ? |
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ETC difficulty continues to rise.
AVG NETWORK HASHRATE - 1.1 TH/s
DIFFICULTY - 13.12 TH
in slack ninja said something like etc price should be 1.25 something holds it down but tht might be over now it is at 1.14 now |
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Could someone do me a favor and point out the pros and cons of both ETC AND ETH? Please don't bash on either just the pros and cons. Really not sure which coin to invest in
till the daofork it was one chain from there, it splited into 2 .etc kept on the original chain. eth erased the dao and since then it did a lot of forks. forsced ones by áttacks and some planed ones . etc did only one change becouse vitalik and co placed a diff bomb. eth : planed change from POW to POS in 2017 unlimited suply and there is a risk that with POS a rich minority gets to much power. the dao fork showed a tendency to centralisation. eth has a head its vitalik. with the presidenc (daofork) there is a person to put pressur on if a big entity wants to take over or change. it is saied that eth has the banksters in the boat. has a real big dev group. eth is 3 years old price of eth is at 7 somethng. risk is there with the pos change that price might fall pos means no more miners. but i know no pos coin that is traded up high ETC: plans to limit the suply to about 200 mil. and to do a blockreward halving like bitcoin. will for the next years stick to pow and then maybe change to a hybrid if needed. etc has now 7 full time devs and 34 vuluntteers etc is just 6 month old no head .there is no one that can be called the funder. etc got suport out of princibles is rising at the moment big suport from china the price of etc is still low just my few on it Thank you for your response. Couldn't the problems that came up in Eth also come up in etc? about the attacks yes but the attacker didnt attack etc no one knows why. then after eth had solved there problems the solution was added to etc thats why some say eth is the testnet for etc but this will not last for ever etc and eth will go different ways one big difference is etc says "no fast and break it" eth does push the project very much the diff bomb is an example for that. the diff bomb is there to put presure on the devs to finish caspar and switching to pos eth is a experiment its totaly new and my experience with development is deadlines could never be held. the devs are good but they are rushing on expense of security etc is different they talk a long time about changes simular to btc and i like that Very nice explanation thank you you are welcome if you like to join the slack here is the link http://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com/there are the core developers (very friendly and they explain even for a nontech) or miners they are very helpful too also suporters like investors or others and you find info first hand |
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Could someone do me a favor and point out the pros and cons of both ETC AND ETH? Please don't bash on either just the pros and cons. Really not sure which coin to invest in
till the daofork it was one chain from there, it splited into 2 .etc kept on the original chain. eth erased the dao and since then it did a lot of forks. forsced ones by áttacks and some planed ones . etc did only one change becouse vitalik and co placed a diff bomb. eth : planed change from POW to POS in 2017 unlimited suply and there is a risk that with POS a rich minority gets to much power. the dao fork showed a tendency to centralisation. eth has a head its vitalik. with the presidenc (daofork) there is a person to put pressur on if a big entity wants to take over or change. it is saied that eth has the banksters in the boat. has a real big dev group. eth is 3 years old price of eth is at 7 somethng. risk is there with the pos change that price might fall pos means no more miners. but i know no pos coin that is traded up high ETC: plans to limit the suply to about 200 mil. and to do a blockreward halving like bitcoin. will for the next years stick to pow and then maybe change to a hybrid if needed. etc has now 7 full time devs and 34 vuluntteers etc is just 6 month old no head .there is no one that can be called the funder. etc got suport out of princibles is rising at the moment big suport from china the price of etc is still low just my few on it Thank you for your response. Couldn't the problems that came up in Eth also come up in etc? about the attacks yes but the attacker didnt attack etc no one knows why. then after eth had solved there problems the solution was added to etc thats why some say eth is the testnet for etc but this will not last for ever etc and eth will go different ways one big difference is etc says "no fast and break it" eth does push the project very much the diff bomb is an example for that. the diff bomb is there to put presure on the devs to finish caspar and switching to pos eth is a experiment its totaly new and my experience with development is deadlines could never be held. the devs are good but they are rushing on expense of security etc is different they talk a long time about changes simular to btc and i like that |
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you think vitalik will disapear like satoshi ? becouse to disapear was a very selfles gift to humanity |
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Could someone do me a favor and point out the pros and cons of both ETC AND ETH? Please don't bash on either just the pros and cons. Really not sure which coin to invest in
till the daofork it was one chain from there, it splited into 2 .etc kept on the original chain. eth erased the dao and since then it did a lot of forks. forsced ones by áttacks and some planed ones . etc did only one change becouse vitalik and co placed a diff bomb. eth : planed change from POW to POS in 2017 unlimited suply and there is a risk that with POS a rich minority gets to much power. the dao fork showed a tendency to centralisation. eth has a head its vitalik. with the presidenc (daofork) there is a person to put pressur on if a big entity wants to take over or change. it is saied that eth has the banksters in the boat. has a real big dev group. eth is 3 years old price of eth is at 7 somethng. risk is there with the pos change that price might fall pos means no more miners. but i know no pos coin that is traded up high ETC: plans to limit the suply to about 200 mil. and to do a blockreward halving like bitcoin. will for the next years stick to pow and then maybe change to a hybrid if needed. etc has now 7 full time devs and 34 vuluntteers etc is just 6 month old no head .there is no one that can be called the funder. etc got suport out of princibles is rising at the moment big suport from china the price of etc is still low just my few on it |
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quite honestly your mist wallet sucks, been stuck on checking network for about 5 hours and refuses to load a GUI.
You are using new version wallet? - Ethereum Classic Wallet 0.9.1 (Pre Release) https://github.com/ethereumproject/mist/releasesyes, the GUI one Strangely, at me have works fine. So this is a problem on the side of your computer. Maybe can you try to reinstall wallet? i had problem with a wallet befor and i tryed -rescan and that helped but i am not sure if this works with this wallet |
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Sorry everyone, I sold my ETH for now, I'm just sick of all these forks. I will buy again when ETH is more stable
Be greedy when others are fearful, and be fearful when others are greedy!....... Warren Buffett!  I try talk some sense into him, but is is leaving us, and is got full blown in to Zcash It is quite reasonable for him to leave. There are too many attacks on the Ethereum and there are too many problems in the system. This. You are all talking of fear, greed, moon and other BS but fact is: ETH has huge problems and weekly forks are not the solution. Your answers show me how you are just gambling users and not people really interested in the project. guys ,you have to understand this is unchartered waters ...... nothing as technical as ethereum has ever been done before and if you want to be an early adopter you have to put up with a rollercoaster ride that might....... BTC was not any different ,i rememeber once my btc fell by 94% to $2 and everyone said it was dead etc http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2013/04/11/an-illustrated-history-of-bitcoin-crashes/#6b275ddc4842sometimes you just have to HODL like i said ,the moon is not for everyone and some people would be better off using a bank and making 1% a year than posting FUD because they obviously dont have the stomach for this high risk/high reward stuff..... well the problem eth has is not so much the unchartered water . i always hold if the idea behind a project is good and promising. the problem here is how they handled the first seriouse problem with the dao. it brok trust in the leaeding not in idea behind it. i might say if the crew behind it would be exchanged or they come forwart and say we did wrong sorry they would have more protection from comunity. but this very bad handling with the daodisaster hungs out there like a big dirty mark. |
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Sorry everyone, I sold my ETH for now, I'm just sick of all these forks. I will buy again when ETH is more stable
Be greedy when others are fearful, and be fearful when others are greedy!....... Warren Buffett! I try talk some sense into him, but is is leaving us, and is got full blown in to Zcash The moon is not meant for everyone! But I have no doubts eth will get there eventually.... It bothers me not that the haters will not be there when eth lifts off.... hi i would like to ask what makes you so sure a thing like the daofork will not happen again? the solving of the dao disaster wasnt good for everyone. the dao was a aplication on top of the etherchain. was the chain the problem ? i read everywhere the chain itself had no problem the security bug was in the dao but they forked the chain to bail out some of the investors ( and no i dont like a thief to get away with it but there are other ways then to do it wild west styl) and i read there were colaterals that payed for that. if thats so how can i as a investor or a company (wanting stability), use the chain and be certain this will not happen again in future. in a future when my investment is bigger or my biz is already running on it? or if i am a exchange. do i have to emploee extra devs to keep up with the forks which seem to happen month or week after week. you seem so certain about the future of eth .do you know more then we do ? or are you heavy invested and your statement is just wishful thinking ? pump? and i know the idea of ethereum was great but the handling of crisis is a problem and what about the centralisation. if a few can manage to force the comunity to acept a 51% attack ? thats scary for me. i am also sceptical about the monetary politics. there is no cap of suply if the incrase of coins will go on like this, a huge amount of new money is needed to keep the price up or rising. i dont see any aplication that can bring that much new money in. a good aplication ( which is not a ico pump with just promises) needs time to grow to be a tustworthy investment. news of intention or a promis will not do that. and if we follow the pos coins on market none of them is doing well in a price view. i wonder if you have more concret info to back up your statement. and pls dont feel offended. i am just curious DAO debacle wasn't theft, the guy used the program/coin/system as was intended and broke ETH. People selling now waited to long and people holding are in for a long journey back to the top. i too tend to see it your way. but thats just your or my opinion. there was no invastigation. but there are posts which say there was a onesided judgement by those who where invested in the dao who definded it as theft which makes the fork even more quetionable and those did everything to get that fork. my question is can it get back to the top if there is no clear statement like yes we did wrong we wont do it again to get trust back. but then thats a stony way becouse if you lost trust its double work to get it back. and i dont see that change of mind of the eth foundation. |
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Sorry everyone, I sold my ETH for now, I'm just sick of all these forks. I will buy again when ETH is more stable
Be greedy when others are fearful, and be fearful when others are greedy!....... Warren Buffett! I try talk some sense into him, but is is leaving us, and is got full blown in to Zcash The moon is not meant for everyone! But I have no doubts eth will get there eventually.... It bothers me not that the haters will not be there when eth lifts off.... hi i would like to ask what makes you so sure a thing like the daofork will not happen again? the solving of the dao disaster wasnt good for everyone. the dao was a aplication on top of the etherchain. was the chain the problem ? i read everywhere the chain itself had no problem the security bug was in the dao but they forked the chain to bail out some of the investors ( and no i dont like a thief to get away with it but there are other ways then to do it wild west styl) and i read there were colaterals that payed for that. if thats so how can i as a investor or a company (wanting stability), use the chain and be certain this will not happen again in future. in a future when my investment is bigger or my biz is already running on it? or if i am a exchange. do i have to emploee extra devs to keep up with the forks which seem to happen month or week after week. you seem so certain about the future of eth .do you know more then we do ? or are you heavy invested and your statement is just wishful thinking ? pump? and i know the idea of ethereum was great but the handling of crisis is a problem and what about the centralisation. if a few can manage to force the comunity to acept a 51% attack ? thats scary for me. i am also sceptical about the monetary politics. there is no cap of suply if the incrase of coins will go on like this, a huge amount of new money is needed to keep the price up or rising. i dont see any aplication that can bring that much new money in. a good aplication ( which is not a ico pump with just promises) needs time to grow to be a tustworthy investment. news of intention or a promis will not do that. and if we follow the pos coins on market none of them is doing well in a price view. i wonder if you have more concret info to back up your statement. and pls dont feel offended. i am just curious |
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Europa braucht die EU nicht. Es wird auch so wieder auf die Beine kommen.Aber erst muss die EU, dieses bürokratische Konstrukt, verschwinden.Erst dann gibt es die Möglichkeit zur Heilung.
Ist die EU gescheitert, wird lange Zeit nichts mehr vergleichbares kommen. Die Einzelstaatenpolitik zu der wir dann zurückkehren ist ein Relikt aus dem 20. Jahrhundert und hat in dieser global vernetzten Welt von heute keine Chance. Wenn die EU in den nächsten Jahren scheitern sollte, sehe ich auf lange Zeit nur negative Folgen. Wir sind den globalen Mächten dann schutzlos ausgeliefert... entschuldige, aber wir sind mit der eu den globalen mächten ausgeliefert und die eu übergibt uns denen zur versklavung, denn ceta und co sind nicht freihandel. sie sind das trojanische pferd, das private gerichte zur unterdrückung von entwicklug eines volkes einlässt. wozu muss ein freihandels abkommen den sonst einen investor schutz haben? Investoren wollen ihre gewinne ja auch nicht mit den massen teilen, nur das risiko das wollen sie nicht tragen. und wenn die eu so gut ist, dann sollte das ja bei den bürgern angekommen sein und die bürger sollten es im täglichen leben spüren und dementsprechend wählen. die eu ist nicht für die bürger gut sie ist nur für die konzerne gut. es ist nicht gross verbreitet worden in unseren medien, aber die idee der privaten schiedsgerichte kam von... deutschland. haben wir erfunden. als es in den 60er jahren um verträge mit pakistan oder so ging. und aktuell bei ceta: es war nicht die kanadische seite, die diese gerichte unbedingt wollte. es war die EU. die EU ist aus deutscher sicht super. den deutschen eliten ging es nie besser. aus portugisischer oder griechischer sicht weniger. und im aussenverhältnis ist die EU ein knallharter durchsetzer von einseitigen (=für die europäische wirtschaft positiven) verträgen. frag mal afrikanische länder, wenn es um fischereirechte europäischer hochseeflotten geht. oder deren textilindustrie. oder die art und weise, wie lebensmittel gehandelt werden mit diesen ländern. ganz genau. ach wo ist das über die schidsgerichte zu finden? und ist ja egal wessen idee es ist. sobald das eingeführt wird steht jedem konzern frei ein neues gesetz zu stoppen. falls es gegen ihre interessen ist. zb. holzindustire. abholz regelungen. |
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