I think I will go for a draw on this one. It's currently 18/1 on Skybet. Hard to call for me, and given that it's a two-fight deal maybe a draw would be best to hype up the final showdown, though no doubt we'd then see a third fight to settle it once and for all, especially if it's close.


I don't think Usyk needs to do anything and that will get in Fury's head alone. Usyk merely saying I'll do the talking in the ring at the first press conference was enough to rattle Fury. Fury's game plan will no doubt be to try rile Usyk up but I don't think it will work as he's too calm and collected for that and probably doesn't want to stoop to Fury's level. Fury will likely play both dirty in the build up and the fight. Expect a lot of leaning and low-blows from Fury, especially if Usyk is just dancing around him, which I expect will be the case. It's an interesting fight to me and hard to call. I think Usyk could easily outbox Fury but I also think Fury could KO him or just wear him down over the fight using his weight to tire Usyk out, but maybe Uysk is too smart and nibble to allow Fury to do too much of it.

The launch event will be streamed on Twitter later (sorry, not calling it X  ) https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1729954264540156295

Looks to start at 8pm GMT time.



No, but a while back Elon said he would "consider" it. Bit of a lame move him caving into pressure to stop accepting it. I'd love to buy a Cybertruck in BTC, but I still think it will be a miracle if this makes it into full production at an affordable price along with being fully road legal here in the UK.


I'm really wondering what the price is actually going to be. If it's under $100k I'll be surprised. The 40k price tag never really made sense.


Inflation alone looks to have pushed up the price by 28%:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-20/how-tesla-s-cybertruck-price-and-range-determine-its-fate





Even 60k would still be optimistic. If some select people are taking home their trucks today surely they've already paid for them unless this is just a PR sham and they're giving them to some celebs or people associated with Tesla.

Bitcon (2022) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14463198/



Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwbIhXrJhIw

https://enspiremag.com/2022/09/bitcon-movie-to-be-released-this-october/


Looks like the full thing is on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys0vkNXHLDU


Well I think that would go without saying  .

The funny thing is is that it was Tyson who requested the rematch clause and it could come back to bite him. If Tyson loses, especially on points, he will be begging for a rematch. Hopefully Usyk agrees but only if it's 80 / 20 in his favour or something  . Personally I hope there's no rematch clause as we could end up seeing another trilogy holding the entire division up. If it's a good fight and both parties want a rematch then let them do it I guess but having it contractually obligated the loser is obviously going to want another chance to win their belts back but I'd prefer it if the winner just goes on to fight their other mandatories instead.

So apparently Usyk has agreed to fight under this deal 70/30 deal and signed on the deadline day: https://twitter.com/usykaa/status/1634284129620578304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/64924925

Whilst I'm glad Usyk was the better man and took the lowball deal rather than letting the fight fall through which Fury would have been happy to have happen I don't think it's fair on Usyk and I think this is just going to encourage more of the same behaviour from Fury. To be honest, I hope Usyk wins now. Hopefully Fury gets booed during the ring walk at least. I see a lot of his fans turning against him over his recent shenanigans. No doubt the PPV will be a record high of near £50 or something.

Now Tyson is offering Usyk 30% https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aqcvR7e-xGw


It's usually always the boxers. Promoters just want the most money and if fights don't get made they get nothing. This Usyk fight is probably the biggest money-spinner for Fury right now and will earn ten times as much as fighting someone like Chisora or Whyte again. Fury's ego is obviously getting involved as well though. I think he got offered what AJ did for the Usyk fight but Fury thinks he's worth much more than that and wanted double because he thinks he's worth double AJ. Now he's going to end up with a pittance in comparison if he just fights some randomer. He should have just taken the Saudi money which would already have been the most he was going to get. HE says he doesn't care about money or legacy but he clearly does. And there's nothing wrong with that but don't chat shit about how you don't care about these things.

People really need to hold Fury accountable for this ridiculously greedy behaviour. Usyk had already agreed a deal and a fight fee with with Saudi as had Fury but Fury wasn't going to sign unless he got double what AJ did for the Usyk fight. Because they wouldn't give him that then they would have to do the fight at Wembley on Fury's terms but he wanted 60/40 in his favour when Usyk wanted 50/50. Usyk have now offered to do 60/40 but to the winner and now Fury has turned this down as well. Fury can't be that confident if he won't agree to that. Fury should have just taken the original Saudi deal rather than trying to be greedy and now everyone is probably going to lose out and Fury will be fighting a bum next most likely. Either take the 50/50 or do the 60% to the winner. Both of those will net Fury more than him fighting somebody nobody wants to see. The Fury V Usyk fight will likely never happen if it doesn't get signed soon because Usyk has three mandatories lined up now and then Fury will have his too but maybe Fury secretly wants that because he knows Usyk will be tricky.

Well he gave Jon a swift kick in the bollocks. Does that count? 


You don't know how hard he's been training though. Being out of the ring for a while can be deceptive especially if you're sparring heavyweights multiple times a week and training hard every other day.



Well maybe he will have excuses or maybe he just got overwhelmed by a better fighter. Could even be both.

I was sceptical that Jon Jones could come back after so long and take on someone like Gane but it was like he never went away. It's a real shame Ngannou has gone because who else is left in the heavyweight division that will be a challenge to Jones? It looks like they're trying to set up a fight with Stipe next for Jon but if he can take out Gane that easy in the first round Stipe wont be much of a challenge either.

They'll probably just do 50/50 at most though. I still think Tommy is the lesser name. Regardless of the loss it's still Jake that is the bigger draw here. It's Jake's name that is selling out stadiums and PPVs; Tommy isn't. He's an undercard fighter at the moment not a headliner but it's Jake that has pulled him up to where he is right now.


Yeah. To be honest though both Ilunga Makabu and Badou Jack are probably at the tail end of their careers. Maybe Jake should actually fight a ranked opponent in the division because I'm not sure how many levels Makabu is over him. He might actually impress. Jake should just either take the rematch and/or get some more fights under his belt and who knows where he can go. Maybe we might see Tommy meet Jake again down the line in a bout for a decent ranking or with a proper belt up fr grabs. There's no reason why they both can't go away improve and take their careers to the next level.


They had Jake a inch taller which seems to be correct but I'm pretty sure they had Tommy far eclipsing Jake on reach too.

Yeah, I agree. Maybe he was making up for the bad decision earlier. I don't think that ref was great to be honest. I'm surprised they didn't use a more well known/respected one. Tommy did hit him in the back of the head but I don't think it was malicious either but you never know.


Yeah, it was a knock down. Even Tommy's brother Shane and dad said so, but it was one of those weak ones where he was off balance but that's still a punch that caused you to fall and still a knock down. Tommy clearly wasn't stung by it either so I'll give him that. I think it's inevitable the rematch will happen. It makes sense for everyone. Maye the second fight will be even more eventful and call for a trilogy.


I think if Tommy has a bright future then so does Jake. The trouble with Tommy is where does he go from here? He's no where good enough to be challenging for titles and how can he co back to fighting for 10-20k on people's undercards now? I think he might have to pivot into youtube boxing or at least keep doing it side-by-side with pro boxing. I'm not sure how far he can make it as a pro and might get embarrassed the moment he stops fighting journeymen whereas he could probably go on to be one of the best 'influencer' boxers which is probably where the big money is at anyway.



Ae you sure? I didn't see that.

You have to give him credit. I had no idea what would happen in this fight and Jake went the distance and even got a knock down. I'm glad a lot of people and even the Fury family and most other pro boxers are giving them the credit they deserve. To have John Fury declare Jake a proper boxer now must mean a lot to Jake and it's nice to see that there isn't bad blood between them. You could tell it meant a lot to Tommy too and the weight of the world must have been lifted off his shoulders after being declared the winner. Hopefully they'll both up their game and train like absolute maniacs for the rematch and give an even better fight. They should maybe up it to 12 rounds even though both of them looked pretty knackered by the end of it.


Come on now. You would probably say this whether it was a draw or Jake won. If they wanted to build up for a rematch then a draw would probably be the better option for that as nobody loses their 0 and they can bill it as unfinished business. Jake will have wanted the straight win more than anything so he can take the W of beating a boxer and move on to bigger and better things. Now he's got to go again in a fight he might just lose again.

Tommy won via split decision. Personally I would have given it a draw especially with the late knock down from Jake. I hate it when fights are so close like this and someone loses their 0. I don't think Jake deserved that point taken off either, but credit to both of them. They both seemed pretty evenly matched and you can't say Jake isn't a boxer now because if he isn't then neither is Tommy. I actually think Jake got some of the better punches in but Tommy did seem more composed which is expected given he's been boxing for so long. I'm sure they will do the rematch now. Jake seemed to want it and Tommy is up for it so it makes sense.

Nobody is taking that serious. It's not even a good effort. They could have made it so much more believable if they just stuck to things that could be plausible like a fighter looking tired or getting knocked down. No idea how you fake your eye swelling etc.


I'm not sure why Jake was the favourite. I would have put them at even odds. Tommy is in great shape and has the arms of an ape so I don't know whether that has swayed the bookies  .


He does look very confident as well as calm and collected. I thought the pressure of it all might start to get to him a bit. I guess it still could as there's a while to go before he's in the ring.


How did you put a bet on Mayweather when it was an exhibition with no winner announced?


I've still no idea what to expect. I just want to see a good fight and hope Jake can at least match Tommy in skill. A good fight with a late knock out would be ideal. Weren't you originally backing Jake? What made you change your mind?

It's entertainment just like any other fight. It's basically just white collar boxing mixed with celebrity boxing which is nothing new. They have an audience and know they can sell tickets and bring in eyeballs so they are crossing over into new markets to capitalise on that. Youtubers are born entertainers and they know how to sell a fight. Just look at the numbers. They're getting paid more than pretty much all pro boxers minus the superstars like Tyson/AJ/Wilder etc but they'll probably get to those numbers if they continue to grow and market their fights as they're doing.


Come on now. This is just the standard armchair fan youtuber comment based on nothing. Neither of them look juiced up. They're both just trim and in good shape but are clearly not juiced up. This is what people on steroids look like:



They're also both vada tested and have been for years.


It's pretty much industry standard for new fighters to fight bums and journeymen early on in their career and makes sense. If you're a promoter and you have a new prospect it makes little sense to put them in the ring with someone who's going to beat them up. You need to dip your toe in the water and work yourself up to bigger fights.


It's not a top 15 ranking but a top 40. That makes sense as there's a bunch of nobodies in the top 40 with similar win records to that of Tommy and Jake so that's no real surprise. I think both of them could get into the top 15 with 2 or 3 wins though as there's a few people in there with only slightly better records in terms of fights and wins, but I didn't look into their opponents. They could have fought some decent people or been entirely bums.

Jake's doing the promotion thing right. You can make money off others but pay them fairly and what they're worth. Everybody he's worked with has sung their praises about the way he does business. He's even taking women's boxing to the next level and got both Serrano and Katie Taylor their highest payday selling out Madison Square Garden. Serano got a million minimum for that and women were getting paid peanuts prior.  I doubt Serano was even getting $100k before Jake got involved and guaranteed her a million dollars if she signed and he was true to his word.


I think that's what makes this so appealing. Fights are boring when you know one fighter is going to go in there and blitz the other like Fury did to Chisora. I have no idea what's going to happen in this fight. Either could get KO-d, it could go the distance or we might even see an early KO. I just can't see either fighter knocking each other out but we know they've both got the power to do so but neither has been KOd or even knocked down yet. Both fighters also seem very confident which makes it harder to predict. The pressure is on Fury though and even he accepts that but does seem cool about it all but that could all crack as soon as he's in the ring.


Unless they both sign that contract/bet I'd just take it as hype. Whilst it's technically legally binding as an oral contract that's not how they do things in boxing and you'd have to sue the other if they didn't pay up and even then you could maybe argue it was never a legit proposition without the contract being signed (which Jake had ready).


Jake's rise reminds me of Connor back in the day. He's certainly following the McGregor playbook, but I actually think he could go on to be as big as him if he keeps winning. I dare say we might even see them fight each other at some point and I'd love to see that. Jake has mentioned recently his next fight might be against Nate Diaz and that could put him one step closer to fighting Connor. That fight would probably be as big as Connor/Mayweather so there's no reason why it couldn't happen. Connor just needs to run his UFC contract down and then just fight on his own terms.

His dad seems to be calling all the shots and admitted that he's the boss in Tommy's career and tells him what to do in an interview after the press conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwFuSl6DnNM

Not sure I'd trust John's blind confidence here. Maybe Tommy doesn't care because he's getting a huge amount to fight win or lose. I heard he's getting between 2 to 5 million which is a life changing amount for him and that's a sum a boxer of his calibre would never get otherwise. He's basically been getting a few grand for his other fights. He was paid £11,000 to fight Anthony Taylor in 2021 and Jake Paul was the first person to pay him a decent wage and a career high for Tommy when he put him on the undercard of one of his Woodley fights and I think he got £10-20k for that. Jake Paul actually took a paycut to make sure all the fighters on his undercard were paid career-highs so you have to respect that. Not many boxers would willingly take a pay cut like that to make sure other boxers were properly compensated. Jake even paid the fighters on the undercard 50% of their purse when his fight against Hasim Rahman Jr fell through: https://twitter.com/jakepaul/status/1555900413832220675

Love him or hate him at least Jake is standing behind his mouth.

He didn't seem agitated at all. In fact, I'd say the opposite and he was just waiting for the right moment to propose the bet once Tommy admitted it's going to be easy. If Jake was worried there's no way he'd propose such a bet. Interestingly both have said they will do the all or nothing bet post-press conference. Whether they will or not is another thing as both will be weary about appearing weak or backing down but until they put pen to paper I don't think either will do it and it's all about grabbing headlines. If both are as confident that they will win then it makes sense but both of them can't be right and someone is going to lose unless it's a draw  .

They just had their first face to face at the press conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho4nda7fLJg

What I found funny/interesting is Jake proposed a double or nothing bet to Tommy that if he loses Tommy gets double his purse and Jake gets nothing and even had the contract/bet ready to sign: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZClH_f-k9M

Tommy's dad John Fury was quick to accept quite vocally but Tommy didn't seem too sure and looks like he tried to start a scuffle to change the topic haha. Tommy has seemed very confident up until that. I guess if he was so sure he would gladly take the bet but I don't blame him if he doesn't. Potentially going home with nothing would probably be too much to handle.

Tyson is over there now so maybe his presence will add a bit of extra spice.

Well you've better put a lot of money on it if you're that sure given Tommy is the underdog. Most of the stuff you listed doesn't matter when you're getting punched in the face and your brain is rattling around in your skull. It depends how Tommy utilises his advantages to be honest. Both fighters seem very confident, though I guess they have to be. No point showing weakness or worries even if you seriously have them.


Of course Jake has incentive. He isn't going to want to lose and lose that zero on his record. He also wants to go on to bigger and better things - KSI, and probably even fighters like McGregor and Mayweather. He mentioned he's working on a fight with Nate Diaz next. I think that would be a decent fight for him to take in boxing but he's on about doing a double fight: one in boxing and the other in MMA but the latter seems a bad idea to me. The more Jake keeps on winning though the more people he will have tuning in who want to see him continue that and of course the haters, naysayers, sceptics and doubters who will want him to lose. He seems to be serious about challenging for titles as well and that will quickly evaporate if he can't even beat Tommy. If he wins though he's been promised a ranking so that's one more step in the right direction for him.


Maybe Tommy was going easy in the other fights knowing that they were all mostly journeymen and probably wouldn't bother him too much? I'm sure most of them knew or accept that they're there just to be a glorified sparring partner. Either way, both fighters now have the perfect stage to show the world what they're made of and shut up the doubters.