Anybody yet converted payouts on Antpool?
Since earlier today i do not see anymore coins added to my account, i guess mostly due the ongoing Wallet adress conversation? Same for you guys?
My Antpool app is showing that my 4 B3s made 63.52 BTM so far today, it was much less at the earlier of the day so coins are being added to my account. I also received a payment to my BTM wallet, 10 more payments to go. Thats 10 revenue bucks a day, about 250 a month now profit. That 2nd batch was bad. This thing is no A3. Minimum 6 months at this rate to break even assuming no changes.... |
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And my Miners are officially not profitable anymore  -21 cents per day on 4 machines. Let see what the next weeks bring, maybe I turn them off if the price drops further or diff keeps climbing like that. And yes, I also believe we should face that L4 is real and hashing. I fully believe humanity is stupid in general, but I doubt we find that many idiots buying L3++ in the last couple of weeks, that we can rule out the existence of L4 and blame diff increase on them... We cannot force people to stop buying roster from bitmain, some people out there have different mindset from ours Also bitmain will keep "playing" with the unit price There is no shortcut for income, and mining with asic is a very very risky business especially for small miner Of course, I am also crying on a first world problem lol My miners are from Batch 2/3 from last year. They paid off in crypto long time ago, but whatever mindset people have, even in the last 2 weeks or 4 weeks, calculators were showing 1year + ROI or something. Who would buy if you risk running over MC=MR I doubt people with enough money to buy big are that careless with their moeny Did u check the price of Litecoin when u purchase your machines and the price of litecoin when u have broken even on your machine? Because in general, the coin price has gotten alot more gain than the amount earned from mining. The coin price has probably risen a few times more lol. The worst is ether. U mine for 6 months to a year and break even but heck, the coin price risen more than 10 times in that period lol. Holding makes alot more. Ether was around 20 bucks in early 2017 if i remember right. For example, if u bought say a bitcoin machine 2 months back, u would have gotten about a 16% return by now. But, if u just bought bitcoin at 5k+ and 6k+, an avg of around 6k, at current 8.4k price, u would have gotten a 40% return from holding. Thats 24% more. With this excess, u can buy all those mining purchase and have 24% extra money lol. And if price stagnates here, I reckon the ever rising mining difficulty will rise so much that the profit per month from mining will be very little anyways. And then the equipment price could go down, leading to increase in sales and huge increase in mining difficulty,etc. |
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So.........I just got my first lot of 20 L3++
It seems that everyone was right. The L3 "++" is just an overclocked L3+........literally no difference in efficiency.
Bamboozled again!
I resemble your pain....got 6 L3+'s about 6 weeks ago...thou....with the all the alt crypto I'm turning over to usd at least I can point to the IRS and say I'm a miner....see the pretty 6 L3+'s I added to my hoard of miners for 2018!....god help me, I don't want the IRS to think I'm trading crypto...they really, really, hate those guys! an't much, but 'self-delusion' is all I have left as I HODL.....(reality bites!) I should have someone start a pool for when I crack and sell it all.....ack! FML brad Calm down bro.........we hodled through it before, we'll hodl through it again! Taj, u ever thought of running a hosting facility in your area? Lol. |
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So.........I just got my first lot of 20 L3++
It seems that everyone was right. The L3 "++" is just an overclocked L3+........literally no difference in efficiency.
Bamboozled again!
I resemble your pain....got 6 L3+'s about 6 weeks ago...thou....with the all the alt crypto I'm turning over to usd at least I can point to the IRS and say I'm a miner....see the pretty 6 L3+'s I added to my hoard of miners for 2018!....god help me, I don't want the IRS to think I'm trading crypto...they really, really, hate those guys! an't much, but 'self-delusion' is all I have left as I HODL.....(reality bites!) I should have someone start a pool for when I crack and sell it all.....ack! FML brad Yep, litecoin price doesnt increase but difficulty keeps increasing since bitmain sells cheap miners. If they really unveil a L4+ later, that will be the biggest kick in the arse lol. And if litecoin price increase, cheap miners with quick delivery means the difficulty will increase again really quickly....this is why I didnt double down back then. The overcapacity is huge. |
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I don't see many people pointing their nvidia's at tensory algorithm based coins anytime soon. 1070/1080 Tis still makes the most mining Zec. May be when Z9s are out, BTM will be worth mining with GPUs, or if btm price doubles before that.
If a batch 3 comes out, it becomes a D3. The Z9 will remove ZEC mining. If the GPU go to bytom, we will earn less then. We dont know if the coin price will double or halve. This is a niche coin and it is already 600m cap, so, I would think it is not so easy to double. The A3 was very different. It showed 20k per month profit before it launched, users broke even in 1-2 months and there is no gpu threat. The B3 had 2 batches with no gap between batch releases and has gpu threatening it. If gpu mining profitability for other coins fall, they will come to bytom to make more. If bytom price doubles for whatever reason, the GPUs will come here to push the profit down to the point mining bytom on gpu equals mining other coins on GPU. This thing cant make too much profit. The GPU miners put a cap to it. Power consumption will come to play at that point, 300 watts vs 6x200/150 watts for a 1080 ti rig for identical hash rate. B3 will still come out as a winner but definitely income will be much less than what it is now. Yes, there is a power consumption advantage (as all asics have over gpu) but this means that even if the coin price increases, the GPU miners will come in and mine the coin, pushing profitability back down. If the GPU miners earn little from all other coins out there, they will come to bytom to mine because it is their most profitable coin. This pushes B3 profits down. If the bytom price drops by half and becomes unprofitable, the gpu miners will leave and B3 owners hold a toaster. The risks are stacked against B3 owners. Other asics such as A3, L3, didnt have this additional issue. This is an asic coin but the profitability is capped and somewhat pegged to GPU profitability. Anyways, lets hope this works out and we break even in 5-6 months from now guys. Cross fingers* |
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I don't see many people pointing their nvidia's at tensory algorithm based coins anytime soon. 1070/1080 Tis still makes the most mining Zec. May be when Z9s are out, BTM will be worth mining with GPUs, or if btm price doubles before that.
If a batch 3 comes out, it becomes a D3. The Z9 will remove ZEC mining. If the GPU go to bytom, we will earn less then. We dont know if the coin price will double or halve. This is a niche coin and it is already 600m cap, so, I would think it is not so easy to double. The A3 was very different. It showed 20k per month profit before it launched, users broke even in 1-2 months and there is no gpu threat. The B3 had 2 batches with no gap between batch releases and has gpu threatening it. If gpu mining profitability for other coins fall, they will come to bytom to make more. If bytom price doubles for whatever reason, the GPUs will come here to push the profit down to the point mining bytom on gpu equals mining other coins on GPU. This thing cant make too much profit even if the coin goes up, due to GPU. The GPU miners put a cap to it. Any solution to this dear bitmain? |
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I doubt it can fight with asics. Wat are the numbers it is pulling? Revenue without costs are like 12 bucks only now. This isnt good considering it hasnt even been a month... Someone reported ~600 H/s with six 1060 3GB cards. I can only imagine what a 1080ti can do. Also, someone reported that the miner is not 100% optimized meaning that there's still room for improvement on these numbers. U sure? Thats 600hash for a 720watts. That makes about 178 usd a month at 10 cents elec.... It is pretty decent actually and about on par with six 1060 cards on eth, if my calculations are right, six 1060 on eth does 150mh for about 720w, give 167 usd. This isnt good news. That means the profitability can never go higher than that of a 6 card gpu rig. If it goes higher, the gpu rigs will come in. If eth profitability goes down, the gpu rigs will come to BTM because it is more profitable . If your number is true, Are u sure of the gpu mining numbers? I haven't used the miner yet but this is what someone reported on this forum. I believe another guy reported ~200 H/s with two cards only (1050TI and a 1060). Sigh, this thing holds the risk of becoming a D3. Lets hope it doesnt get there.... |
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I doubt it can fight with asics. Wat are the numbers it is pulling? Revenue without costs are like 12 bucks only now. This isnt good considering it hasnt even been a month... Someone reported ~600 H/s with six 1060 3GB cards. I can only imagine what a 1080ti can do. Also, someone reported that the miner is not 100% optimized meaning that there's still room for improvement on these numbers. U sure? Thats 600hash for a 720watts. That makes about 178 usd a month at 10 cents elec.... It is pretty decent actually and about on par with six 1060 cards on eth, if my calculations are right, six 1060 on eth does 150mh for about 720w, give 167 usd. This isnt good news. That means the profitability can never go higher than that of a 6 card gpu rig. If it goes higher, the gpu rigs will come in. If eth profitability goes down, the gpu rigs will come to BTM because it is more profitable . If your number is true, Are u sure of the gpu mining numbers? |
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I doubt it can fight with asics. Wat are the numbers the gpu is pulling? https://whattomine.com/coins/242-btm-tensority?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=780.0&p=380.0&fee=0.0&cost=0.1&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate Whattomine only shows 271 usd per month at 10 cents electric .... This isnt good like the ant A3 considering it is only been 1-2 weeks. They shouldnt have sent out that 2nd batch so quickly..... It is gonna need nearly 6 months from now to break even. Is bitmain going to hold off 3rd batch for 5-6 months or are they going to let a batch 3 out at lower prices and screw earlier batches? If a batch 3 is out, earnings are halved and it will take a year or more to break even .... |
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BTW a friend of mine bit the bullet and swapped out both fans for Corsair SP120 LEDs. The power supply is much louder than the miner now. Chip temps are hovering just below 60C and hashrate is normal. Same miner right next to it, running stock fans, is about 10C cooler. So in colder ambient environments these off-the-shelf premium case fans do the trick.
But are u sure that it works well in 60 degrees for long periods of time? |
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Does anyone have some insight into batch 3 date for the B3's? I would hope bitmain would at least let us mine batch 1 and 2 for one week before they drop the earnings to $7....
I checked my payment history and its in paying status BUT.... its showing a different address than i provided and my originally provided address is deleted... can anyone tell me if I should be nervous...?? I have the same situation. My wallet address is empty now under my settings. My guess, since the ERC20 comment is gone too, is that they switched to BTM payments and deleted any non-bm addresses? Not sure; it also reset the minimum payment to 5, but still isn't paying out for me, so I have no idea what's going on there... According to their announcement, they deleted all addresses since some people put in ethereum addresses for exchanges which stopped accepting the ERC20 tokens. They say they will pay out to either ERC20 to mainnet addresses starting at 3 am Eastern Time May 18th. Hmmm I just checked. My wallet is not cleared and my payment history still has pending on previous payments.... Maybe it is not cleared because it is correct? |
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perhaps but fire sales and selling off used equipment and restocking their own farm with new next gen stuff, while raking in pre-order cash and driving up the difficuly, is bitmains specialty.. they have been doing that since the s3s.. Ding Ding Ding!! Sandal Hat....people have been telling you this in here for weeks now. Why can't you seem to comprehend this? It's really not that hard to see this is what's going on and has been. One cant consider something factual without hard evidence. I am not saying they are selling used equipment. I am saying they have to receive huge miner orders that they placed before hand and sell. When they sell miners at 450 usd and with a coupon, it cost like 250 usd, do they really make profit? lol |
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Looks like Batch 2 is avail..
Shipping: August 24th- Sep.4th
$1520
They must be getting low on availability for the june delivery..
I suspect it is to show that 2nd batch will be some time away. People are afraid the 2nd batch might be the next week, just like how the B3 was. For the 2nd batch, woah 2. We are currently accepting pre-orders for the Z9 mini. You can place an order by paying 50% of the order amount as down payment. Please note that the outstanding amount must be paid by the end of 1st August 2018 Beijing time(GMT+8). Kindly note that as this is a preorder, the 50% down payment will be forfeited if you do not complete the payment by 1st August 2018 Beijing time(GMT+8). Please consider carefully before submitting your orders. Hmmmmmm |
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i have those as well.
compared to awp3++ they use a hair more power on S9.
lol which one u talking about? |
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I just purchased 4 of these. I want to judge them against bitmain apw3++ myrig avalon sorceror hmmm is it worth it to do so much now considering the low profits. This should have been done from the start. Best is to have low electricity + hire someone to get custom software to undervolt + higher efficient PSU. I bet the S9 can undervolt too. We just dont know how lol. Btw, u did mention u made tons off your gpu miner. However, did u check the price of eth when u purchase the gpu and when u have broken even. It should have gone up a few times at least. I believe best would be a niche type of miner that breaks even in 2 months. Breakeven fast is important. Profitability can drop after, is fine. |
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Payment Issue
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Thanks for your consultation!
Sorry for the delay of BTM payouts.
We plan to support two kinds of BTM wallet addresses, so that there are still some technical issues needs to be handled, please just wait patiently.
Please confirm with your wallet company if your wallet address can still accept BTM, if not, please change it asap.
We will cancel all "paying" payments and send them to the new wallet several days later.
Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.
Best regards,
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Bitmain
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FYI, seems they are going to allow both types of BTM.
Anyone know which is better and which one do exchanges use? Do different exchanges use different types or can both be used???
Anyone know the differences?
Man, at least zcash 2nd batch has a 2 month gap. We took 2 batches with no gap lol...
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Update
There are only four coins not forking. Profits $5-20
Bytecoin (BCN) $19.45/day
DigitalNote (XDN) $4.65/day
Monero Classic (XMC)
Monero Original (XMO)
Dinastycoin (DCY) $13.75/day - forking
Electroneum (ETN) $21.00/day - forking
Karbo (KRB) $21.20/day - forking
Problem is the non-forked coins will bear the full hashrate of the remaining asics. So, difficulty will go up. |
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If their estimate that it cost 10m to develop the asic and bitmain sold 20m on first batch, that means alot more asics are coming our way lol. For the bitmain plays dirty part, I think the problem is just obelisk taking long pre-orders. They didnt manufacture it first, and then release it. They took deposits for it and a long time to get it to market. The major problem is when they sell more units than wat their customers can probably make back, as stated there... |
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I see. Wish I knew that a year ago lol. Better late than never I guess |
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