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1221  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: November 17, 2016, 08:09:13 AM
I've probably said this close to a hundred times by now; the profits you receive from gold are not an addition on to your wealth. Gold just keeps pace with inflation and is a resource that a majority of people would like to have, that has a lot of value. Gold isn't really supposed to be a growth investment, and more like a value investment. Security of wealth.

Well thats crap, I made about 24% after selling up post Brexit.

Paid off my mortgage with the proceeds.
1222  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: November 16, 2016, 09:32:48 PM

It was hard to believe that gold coins would be sold with only a 2% premium to the spot price. I could somehow believe if you had been buying gold bars (unlikely, to be honest), but certainly not coins, which typically have hefty premiums. So I decided to check the info by the link you posted, and voila (emphasis added):

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Most of the coins we sell have been in circulation, and must therefore be considered bullion grade. This is not something to worry about, we have team of experts that check each coin that passes our hands for its grade, carat and purity, and we manually check coins to ensure they reach our standards, and ensure there is no damage beyond expected wear of the coins/bars

It seems that you are buying used coins, so no surprise that their price is close to spot price.

Well considering some of the sovereigns I own are 100+ years old then they are obviously circulated  Grin

And you know what, a gold sovereign 100+ years old is worth just the same as a mint fresh 2016 sovereign (maybe even a little more depending on year)

If you are paying a premium for shiny gold bars then you are wasting money.  I would advise buying gold as close to spot as possible whether circulated or not.  I also speak from experience as I recently sold my 1st stack worth about £55k.

Last pic I took before selling up (there was a few more coins added after taking the pic)



My new stack consists entirely of sovereigns which are internationally recognised, highly liquid, CGT & VAT free, small fractional gold content.

Bullion is bullion so why pay more?
1223  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: November 16, 2016, 07:12:47 PM
Montlhy Gold/Bitcoin Performance Comparison

Gold -2.42% (last 30 days according to goldprice.org)
BTC +11.75% (last 30 days according to bitcoinwisdom.com)

Isn't it nice?

Ofcourse it is nice, that is the reason why people invest in bitcoins more than gold these days because they know the price movement of bitcoin is far better than the golds though gold seems more secure in long run but people believe in quick profit these days.

I think the major reason why people don't invest in gold en masse has nothing to do with its low volatility. It seems that investing in gold requires much more effort overall than investing in Bitcoin. For example, with Bitcoin you pay the same price per 1 BTC irrespective of the amount that you are going to buy, i.e. 100 bitcoins would cost you exactly 100 times the price of 1 Bitcoin. If you want to buy physical gold and hold it for years (buying paper gold like gold futures and options makes no sense in that case), you will have to buy heaps of gold at once if you want to get close to its spot market price...

And I haven't yet started talking about all the irritating inconveniences of the actual process of purchasing gold as well as storing it thereafter

Thats not exactly true, I buy sovereigns (around 1/4oz) and 1/2 sovereigns (around 1/10 oz) at 2% over spot.

http://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/

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And I haven't yet started talking about all the irritating inconveniences of the actual process of purchasing gold as well as storing it thereafter

Not sure where you live but in the UK I can just walk in to any bullion dealer and buy whatever I want or order it online and have it delivered next morning.  No different to ordering or buying any other goods.



1224  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Precious metals are not useful in a collapse scenario! on: November 16, 2016, 07:30:27 AM
gold is not hard to counterfeit.
 

Gold is impossible to counterfeit as its an element. 

People try to make fake bars/coins that look similar but there are always give away signs if you have half a clue.

Fake coins always lack the correct detail.
Specific gravity test.
Ping test.
XRF test.
Acid test.
Ultrasonic test.
Weight.
Dimensions.
1225  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Refugees from Turkey on: November 09, 2016, 08:17:06 PM
Germany said it was willing to accept all who flees the repression of Erdogan. This means that Germany fully supports America and recognizes that Erdogan is a dictator.

Germany didn't say that they are going to accept refugees. They said they are free to apply to seek asylum. It doesn't mean Germany will confirm every application made.

http://www.dw.com/en/german-state-minister-persecuted-turks-can-apply-for-asylum-in-germany/a-36301655

See that link? It clearly says: "They can apply"

There is a one big difference.

Even if they confirm the applications, those people are not brainless  jobless people. They are mostly journalists.


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Is there a shortage of journalists in the EU all of a sudden?

We dont need them, we dont want them.
1226  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sweden: Half a Million Sexual Assaults in 2015 on: November 08, 2016, 07:46:01 PM
You do realise that the rape epidemic in the EU began last winter.

Most victims were wearing winter clothing and covered up, not exactly walking around in swimwear so that excuse goes out the window.

What is the fee for this pleasure.

Why should there be a "fee" for what a woman chooses to wear?

Your just highlighting my previous point about 3rd world shit holes.

Probably why the people originating there are not compatible with western society and why we are getting sick to death of immigrants that will ultimately end with rivers of blood as predicted by Enoch Powell.
1227  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Want to sell 2 BTC for 680USD each on: November 08, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
You are newbie nobody trade with you

Looks like your a newbie too but according to your profile you have done trades.

Rank is irrelevant as accounts are bought and sold all the time here.

If you dont use Escrow you will get scammed sooner rather than later.
1228  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sweden: Half a Million Sexual Assaults in 2015 on: November 08, 2016, 07:32:33 PM
Why do muslim men think that a woman's choice of dress = an invite to rape them?

You sick fuckers need to go back where you came from.
I am not a Muslim and I like when a woman is dressed sexy, but I also think that this kind of provoked killers. Why do you provoke them?

So what if a homosexual thinks you dress sexy, if he decides to rape then kill you is it your fault as you chose to provoke him?

Its very easy to spot the idiots from 3rd world shit holes on this forum, their attitude to woman really is a give away  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
1229  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Refugees from Turkey on: November 08, 2016, 07:12:32 PM
If Germany wants them then let Germany take them.

The problem arises when Germany decides to try and force other EU countries that do not want them to take 1000s in.

This is how Merkel has ended the EU.
1230  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Want to sell 2 BTC for 680USD each on: November 08, 2016, 06:50:54 PM
+ the fact he is still online and not addressing the Escrow point is a big red flag - time to nuke his account I think.

**neg trust will be revised if the op ends up using escrow or receives positive trust from a well known member after a completed deal**


I can show all the details that I'm not a fraud. Also I do use localbitcoins for your info. So please think before you judge. Thank you!

Why not just sell the 2BTC right now on localbitcoins for more than $680 in a safe and secure way?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
1231  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sweden: Half a Million Sexual Assaults in 2015 on: November 08, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Why do muslim men think that a woman's choice of dress = an invite to rape them?

You sick fuckers need to go back where you came from.
1232  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Want to sell 2 BTC for 680USD each on: November 08, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
I can show all the details that I'm not a fraud. Also I do use localbitcoins for your info. So please think before you judge. Thank you!
So... is that a yes on the escrow?

What do you think lol

Same shit different username - newbie scammers need a new routine
1233  Other / Politics & Society / Re: the Atheist Delusion on: November 08, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
Quite a lot of scientific evidence against the 6000 year old earth bible story :

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation

1234  Other / Politics & Society / Re: the Atheist Delusion on: November 08, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Who made your parents... and their parents... etc., all the way back to the Beginning? There is no evidence that suggests that evolution/abiogenesis works. There is probability proof that it can't work - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.0.

Of course, maybe you don't really exist, and all of us who have seen your posts in bitcointalk, really have active imaginations that work together.

Cool

And on the flip side, if God made us who made God.

And if God has always existed then perhaps the energy and building blocks required to create everything have always existed, add billions of years into the mix and you end up with us the human race for a fleeting moment of cosmic time.


As for evidence of evolution, even the common flu virus is proof of the theory at a basic level (which is why last years flu jab wont work the following year)
1235  Economy / Goods / Re: selling silver/gold/platinum, overpriced on: November 07, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
I am unsure what benefits this would provide over going to APMEX directly, or a bitcoin accepting bullion dealer ... is this purely to gain a level on anonymity from the vendor ?

Probably for countries will bullion restrictions like India
1236  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sweden: Half a Million Sexual Assaults in 2015 on: November 05, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
All Swedish men should hang their heads in shame for not defending their wives and daughters.
1237  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Venezuelans are turning to bitcoin as the bolívar crumbles on: November 03, 2016, 08:06:35 PM
peaking at a 400 bitcoin/week trading volume on localbitcoins isnt what I would call Venezuelans embrace BTC en masse.
1238  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: 15.64406305 BTC dissapeared from my Electrum wallet on: November 02, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
Hey!
Check your private message.
Thank you.

You wanna rip off op? New registered account? Fuck off plz, don't hurt him again

What are you talking about? A similar situation happened to me and I want to talk to him.

You just happened to register on this forum 10 minutes before finding this thread and posting.

Stinks of alt account scammer to me.
1239  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate muslems? on: November 02, 2016, 11:05:58 AM
And I agree too, It's not fair to hate people by their religion. We get our religion when we were born.
So we can't choose our religion to live our life.

Well you could educate yourself as you get older and change to a religion of your choosing or choose to follow none.

Except of course if your a muslim where a change of faith = a death sentence.

1240  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Muslim Migrants in Germany have committed 142,500 crimes in just six months, on: November 02, 2016, 07:49:30 AM
these things do happen when there is poverty ,what can be done to change this situation ,really i don't have a clue regarding this.

The simple solution is to refuse entry to any more migrants then begin deporting all those in the country immediately.
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