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PSA: Block rewards drop again at 100k blocks (a bit more than 10k to go). Block rewards after 10k are 88 vanillacoins.
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The hash on a board would be around 50MH/s with minimal watt usage, so it would mean that you save heavily on the electricity costs.
XC6SLX9 has 1430 slices with 4 LUT6 on each. Sure it can fit at least one fully unrolled core, expect ~200 MH/s. That's nice to know, sadly I'm not really into FPGA developments, but this is what I read on IRC. 200 MH/s would be a LOT  |
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FPGA mining... any details available? Which language, board type will it support?
John is working now with the Spartan VI, the Mojo v3 board has it ( https://embeddedmicro.com/products/mojo-v3.html) together with an Arduino compatible bootloader. Hello - I have never FPGA mined before. Will there be specific instructions on how to do this? I have only GPU and ASIC mined. Is it anything like that? Please advise. -pokeytex No instructions, there are some papers on the web talking about the whirlpool algo and potential fpga developments. You need to wait or code it for yourself. The hash on a board would be around 50MH/s with minimal watt usage, so it would mean that you save heavily on the electricity costs. Meanwhile you can jump on IRC and throw in some questions. |
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FPGA mining... any details available? Which language, board type will it support?
John is working now with the Spartan VI, the Mojo v3 board has it ( https://embeddedmicro.com/products/mojo-v3.html) together with an Arduino compatible bootloader. |
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News 02/04John posted a timeline over at talk.vanillacoin.net ( http://talk.vanillacoin.net/topic/118/4-month-timeline) "The next four months will consist of the following in no particular order. - Finalise and push the CoinPP (Coin++) project source files.
- Continue improving multitier architecture.
- Continue working on performance.
- Integrate and deploy UDP layer.
- Deploy iOS Beta.
- Linux GUI Support.
- Android Support.
- FPGA mining support.
I will update these items as we move forward. Thank you for your support."
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John gave some clarification on the timetable for the zero confirmation transactions on IRC. They require the UDP layer. UDP layer is scheduled for Q3. Zero confirm transactions are scheduled for Q4 2015.
Fix'd, he told me that the UDP layer is needed first to prevent double spends, but thought it's scheduled for earlier. (Seeing the speed of John's coding I'm pretty sure we will see it earlier though) Also it's worth mentioning that the single transaction confirmation that is scheduled for sooner will be blazing fast anyway. |
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News 01/04 - Wallet 0.2.6 released (information taken from John @ talk.vanillacoin.net) - Download from: http://vanillacoin.net/wallets.php - Changelog: - Loading blockchain from disk is faster
- GUI now has the ability to generate a QR Code by right clicking on a receiving address
- Improved blockchain synchronisation efficiency
- General Bug Fixes
- Network backbone is now a Multitier architecture consisting of Client and Peer Nodes
Explanation on the Multitier architecture: http://talk.vanillacoin.net/topic/117/multitier-architecture
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If any of you coders that made custom miners that get 500MH/s on widows 280x cards, pm me. I am a trusted member of the community, started the VNL IRC channel, and would offer a % of my VNL mining without need to worry about leaks. I mine with 8 280x cards. I believe in the coin and plan on holding them. Thanks.
Naive you guy No, he's not naive. I am naive Spend days and weeks on test chains knowing that I'll lose my coins. The premise was strong: Everyone with the same chance, fair distribution etc... Guess what? The first thing dropped was the fair distribution. John said it was difficult to do, had more important things to do. There was no such thing as test chains, there were forks because the client was in an alpha phase and was labeled an experimental client. I managed to fork 2-3x while solo mining for 2 months, all I had to do is to follow the forum closely and play with backups and do full syncs. The distribution is fair compared to 99% of the coins ever launched. Edit: You can't just start mining with an experimental client and leave your client on for days/weeks, do nothing and expect to get rich. According to what you wrote you did exactly that, because how else would you have not noticed that you are on a fork. Were you here from the beginning? There were test chains, that they were exactly that. You participate, but your earned coins don't count. I participate knowing that. I solo mine some thousand coins and they are lost. I don't complain. I knew that. What I did not knew is that the "fair distribution" thing was the first feature to be dropped. How was the fair distribution dropped when at one point 150+ peers were solo mining with an avarage of 2 home desktops? And that lasted atleast 1 month from the 2 months I've been mining. I know lots of people who mined the same amount of coins or more than I did. I mined 15k in 1.5-2 months solo mining on mostly 1 x6 and sometimes turned on another dualcore to help out. Some people mined with 3 CPUs and did that for a longer time than I did. For me, this seems pretty fair. Man, it was fair in the beginning, but now the top guys do one thousand times more VNL/Day than the average user. That's what I mean. And don't tell me that they spend more than the average user to rend their rings. The whole story of fairness is to spread the hash to more people, than to a few with rented Gigahashes. That was the premise of VNL when I first met her  As far as I remember John stated over at vanillacoin.net that every level/size of user will have it's own mining phase. The small (avarage) user had the solo mining phase, now the bigger investors with gpu farms have their own and if everything goes well we will see asics in the future for corporations / huge investors. This is as fair as it gets imho, you can't expect your coin to have a value without bigger investors, most small time miners only seek a fast profit and will sell at the first 2-3x opportunity. From an economic perspective, this seems like a really good distribution model. You really need to check how most coins are distributed nowadays: someone launched an X11, fpga farms and a few miners rape it, it pumps and dies in 2 weeks. Complaining here about the fairness and distribution is pretty pointless imho. |
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If any of you coders that made custom miners that get 500MH/s on widows 280x cards, pm me. I am a trusted member of the community, started the VNL IRC channel, and would offer a % of my VNL mining without need to worry about leaks. I mine with 8 280x cards. I believe in the coin and plan on holding them. Thanks.
Naive you guy No, he's not naive. I am naive Spend days and weeks on test chains knowing that I'll lose my coins. The premise was strong: Everyone with the same chance, fair distribution etc... Guess what? The first thing dropped was the fair distribution. John said it was difficult to do, had more important things to do. There was no such thing as test chains, there were forks because the client was in an alpha phase and was labeled an experimental client. I managed to fork 2-3x while solo mining for 2 months, all I had to do is to follow the forum closely and play with backups and do full syncs. The distribution is fair compared to 99% of the coins ever launched. Edit: You can't just start mining with an experimental client and leave your client on for days/weeks, do nothing and expect to get rich. According to what you wrote you did exactly that, because how else would you have not noticed that you are on a fork. Were you here from the beginning? There were test chains, that they were exactly that. You participate, but your earned coins don't count. I participate knowing that. I solo mine some thousand coins and they are lost. I don't complain. I knew that. What I did not knew is that the "fair distribution" thing was the first feature to be dropped. How was the fair distribution dropped when at one point 150+ peers were solo mining with an avarage of 2 home desktops? And that lasted atleast 1 month from the 2 months I've been mining. I know lots of people who mined the same amount of coins or more than I did. I mined 15k in 1.5-2 months solo mining on mostly 1 x6 and sometimes turned on another dualcore to help out. Some people mined with 3 CPUs and did that for a longer time than I did. For me, this seems pretty fair. |
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If any of you coders that made custom miners that get 500MH/s on widows 280x cards, pm me. I am a trusted member of the community, started the VNL IRC channel, and would offer a % of my VNL mining without need to worry about leaks. I mine with 8 280x cards. I believe in the coin and plan on holding them. Thanks.
Naive you guy No, he's not naive. I am naive Spend days and weeks on test chains knowing that I'll lose my coins. The premise was strong: Everyone with the same chance, fair distribution etc... Guess what? The first thing dropped was the fair distribution. John said it was difficult to do, had more important things to do. There was no such thing as test chains, there were forks because the client was in an alpha phase and was labeled an experimental client. I managed to fork 2-3x while solo mining for 2 months, all I had to do is to follow the forum closely and play with backups and do full syncs. The distribution is fair compared to 99% of the coins ever launched. Edit: You can't just start mining with an experimental client and leave your client on for days/weeks, do nothing and expect to get rich. According to what you wrote you did exactly that, because how else would you have not noticed that you are on a fork. |
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John, you might want to consider bringing on a couple more devs to share/expand your vision. It's a harsh trend in crypto to have a nice innovation with just a single point of failure. It may bring more confidence to serious investers.
This has been discussed several times on IRC, he doesn't intend to hype the project and he has several years of finished projects/features ready to implement in a p2p currency like vanillacoin. I doubt he intends to share these with others and it doesn't seem like he is need of any form of help. Also while you call this a single point of failure I'm pretty sure he would consider a team of devs a "several point of failure" situation. So far his work speaks for himself and the pace he is working at is really good. Fair enough. He certainly has delivered what has been promised up to this point. Yep, and the real instant transactions will be mindblowing compared to what instantX offers on DRK (in terms of speed and security) if everything goes well and planned. |
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John, you might want to consider bringing on a couple more devs to share/expand your vision. It's a harsh trend in crypto to have a nice innovation with just a single point of failure. It may bring more confidence to serious investers.
This has been discussed several times on IRC, he doesn't intend to hype the project and he has several years of finished projects/features ready to implement in a p2p currency like vanillacoin. I doubt he intends to share these with others and it doesn't seem like he is need of any form of help. Also while you call this a single point of failure I'm pretty sure he would consider a team of devs a "several point of failure" situation. So far his work speaks for himself and the pace he is working at is really good. |
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News 03/30- Single transaction in the next update
- Zero confirmation (sub-second) transaction afterwards, where the amount of coins is spendable again under 1 second (300ms)
- iOS beta is completed, battery usage is too low to measure soon, soon out for download
  This project is definetly better than other 99.99% of copy-past generic BTC clones. Had a word missing there, it should be single confirmation transactions*, but yeah. The zero transaction confirm feature will be THE real instant transaction feature, no gimmick here. |
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Zero confirmation (sub-second) transaction afterwards, where the amount of coins is spendable again under 1 second (300ms)
Interesting. Some details about it or link to the code would be handy. Next update will have the single confirm transactions and the update after it should have the instant transactions. No code ready/public yet, but John always delivers |
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News 03/30- Single confirmation transactions in the next update
- Zero confirmation (sub-second) transaction afterwards (possibly next update after that), where the amount of coins is spendable again under 1 second (300ms)
- iOS beta is completed, battery usage is too low to measure soon, soon out for download
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Why is the difficulty so low ?
Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty. The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin. algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother i mean watts per coin, cooling won't help as you said "Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized" let me ask then why launch a coin with new algo so underoptimized at start and claim it energy efficient. the story reminds me of groestlcoin Algo isn't the only thing what is energy efficient, the whole source is. If you follow news you will see that the staking iOS and Android wallets will use ~0% cpu. i follow only numbers, if you launch a coin with public miner at 100MH/card, mining enough the same time with custom one at 300MH/card, sell the coins, then everything else is just for fun Your 300% example is quite conservative when compared to neoscrypt and it's potential 1000-2000%. no need to compare, neo's "potential" is already cashed out, look at ftc price, now wpx turn. it's all the same old groestl story, with variations Please show me what groestl coins had to offer the world except a new algo and another Bitcoin clone. Point it out. You can't even compare this project, it's codebase and the future potential of it with those. I feel that you still talk about this project as if the only thing it would offer is a new algo and when people took their profit this would just die off, no chance that this is going to happen. I think he means that the groestl algo is the classic example of a very slow public miner which had much faster private implementations since the beginning: coins using that algo have been mined like that for months until the profits went over and finally someone (me) released an opersource miner up to speed ;-) He was also pointing at a project which again had nothing to offer and that caused it's slow death, the mining part in itself wasn't the main reason for that imho. |
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Why is the difficulty so low ?
Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty. The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin. algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother i mean watts per coin, cooling won't help as you said "Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized" let me ask then why launch a coin with new algo so underoptimized at start and claim it energy efficient. the story reminds me of groestlcoin Algo isn't the only thing what is energy efficient, the whole source is. If you follow news you will see that the staking iOS and Android wallets will use ~0% cpu. i follow only numbers, if you launch a coin with public miner at 100MH/card, mining enough the same time with custom one at 300MH/card, sell the coins, then everything else is just for fun Your 300% example is quite conservative when compared to neoscrypt and it's potential 1000-2000%. no need to compare, neo's "potential" is already cashed out, look at ftc price, now wpx turn. it's all the same old groestl story, with variations Please show me what groestl coins had to offer the world except a new algo and another Bitcoin clone. Point it out. You can't even compare this project, it's codebase and the future potential of it with those. I feel that you still talk about this project as if the only thing it would offer is a new algo and when people took their profit this would just die off, no chance that this is going to happen. |
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460 GHs and 22k diff, should be a new high
Edit: Jumped to 636 GH/s
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Why is the difficulty so low ?
Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty. The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin. That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper. I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners. But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere. Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future. We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta. I think the coin is still profitable with two bigger AMD cards, but what I feel like is that either the pool operators or the algo itself should make some implementation as to how many mh/s can technically be allowed from one ip/user/account as to make it fair game. Right now at supernova, the guy with the highest hash has enough hash as adding up all the rest of the miners in the pool and that's a bummer. Because of that, no one else could leave the pool as no other pool would get nearly as many blocks, and like they say, more than 50% of hash at just one pool can kill the coin. This is all the stuff that we already know. As far as miners go, it's all a dev's game that even make coins mineable. AMD from what I see, has more dev's and better support in their miners, compared to Nvidia, even though the Maxwell architecture is far for better per watt. And just like you said, my partially optimized whirlpoolx miner by sp and others e.g. gives me 292 mh/s @ OC'ed 980 at temps peaking at 37C, while taking just 60% of the overall TDP. Meaning that while it can go further, we just need more support. And I'm actually doing the opposite of what you said, by actually selling this coin and buying something that I consider a little more valuable for the future. Your asking the coin to be fair while we had the possibility to solo mine this coin for 2 months with a dualcore cpu and get blocks on a daily basis. I solo mined it with home desktops and could mine around 15k coins, so could 100-200 other people who followed the initial BCT announcement and the vanillacoin.net forums. The next mining phase is the gpu mining phase, you can't limit it without pushing away bigger investors. Everyone had/will have their chance at mining, from the smallest investors to the biggest, this is as fair as it gets. Regarding your investing, do your own research and do as you wish, but I doubt that you see a lot of better technological investments in crypto if you read the source and follow what John is doing and saying. I know part of what is planned here, and this isn't your avarage PnD crypto. |
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Why is the difficulty so low ?
Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty. The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin. algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother i mean watts per coin, cooling won't help as you said "Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized" let me ask then why launch a coin with new algo so underoptimized at start and claim it energy efficient. the story reminds me of groestlcoin Algo isn't the only thing what is energy efficient, the whole source is. If you follow news you will see that the staking iOS and Android wallets will use ~0% cpu. |
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