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[Erkallys]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

[traumschiff]

Anyone want to try modified whirlpoolx-wolf.cl?
R9-270X 150MH/s (original whirlpoolx-wolf.cl was 105MH/s)



whirlpoolx-wolf.cl
https://mega.co.nz/#!TxRTWZoI!Ys0u3hilpBfkYgZP_ZpWt1k5YLAzCquoq9_yD917MI8

I dont know, how it works with other cards (r9-280,r9-290...), you can try...

I'm using an ASUS 270x and tried --xintensity 1024 and 4096 and -w 64 and 256, but neither option helped me to get over 123 MH/s which I got with the original .cl also.

Could you maybe upload your bin file?

Here is my bin file

https://mega.co.nz/#!nlwkBbDZ!400fwacmkXCmiYBFbCr28pFgQE6jwpsGGMEFRWDABY0

I Have installed 14.11.2 Beta driver and in sgminer directory opencl ddls from 15.3 driver

https://mega.co.nz/#!jtwjUIKB!JQsNS4rkTAJEVwtpa8rmjgzbJoZ6pq9gdgSMLebAeIo

Thank you very much, I'll try it out and report back!

Good job mate, I'm on 1024 --xintensity (4096 and 2048 gave me HW-s) and -w 256 and got the 159 MH/s with the 270x. Send me an addy in PM and I'll tip some.

Edit: got HW error with 1024 also with -w 256, trying out some different settings. -w 128 gives 120 MH/s hash so that's not an option.

Edit2: doesn't matter how hard I try, I get HW errors after sometime. Tried every combination of -w -X -g etc (only way to get high hash is with -w 256)

14.12 caralyst with the dlls added to the sgminer

My card doesn't seem to like -w 256.

[majoh]

Anyone want to try modified whirlpoolx-wolf.cl?
R9-270X 150MH/s (original whirlpoolx-wolf.cl was 105MH/s)


whirlpoolx-wolf.cl
https://mega.co.nz/#!TxRTWZoI!Ys0u3hilpBfkYgZP_ZpWt1k5YLAzCquoq9_yD917MI8

I dont know, how it works with other cards (r9-280,r9-290...), you can try...

when you say "original" do you mean this ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.msg10856770#msg10856770

(because this is new "original" for some time now)

Yes, that one. I get 105Mh/s max on R9-270X with it, maybe somebody has better hashrates with it.

ok, i've cleaned and restarted everything including coffee, result:
280x, amd 15.3, w7x64, 1100/1100, -X 4096 -g 2 -w 64, room +24
original - 245MH, new - 80MH.

Did you try -w 256?
I get with -w 64 70MH/s, -w 128 122MH/s, -w 256 150MH/s

[AliMan]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

[traumschiff]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

[Erkallys]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

Saw that ! The coin can multiply his difficulty by 2 and then divide it by 3, in just 3 blocks !

[traumschiff]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

Saw that ! The coin can multiply his difficulty by 2 and then divide it by 3, in just 3 blocks !

Difficulty is just 1 of the 2 factors that determines the supply, read my last comment.

[AliMan]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

[traumschiff]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now

Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother

[traumschiff]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere.

Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future.

We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta.

[Erkallys]

I was just asking. I don't care about the block time and the difficulty because I can use my PC when its mine, and this is one of the advantages of WPX.

[AliMan]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere.

Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future.

We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta.

I think the coin is still profitable with two bigger AMD cards, but what I feel like is that either the pool operators or the algo itself should make some implementation as to how many mh/s can technically be allowed from one ip/user/account as to make it fair game. Right now at supernova, the guy with the highest hash has enough hash as adding up all the rest of the miners in the pool and that's a bummer.

Because of that, no one else could leave the pool as no other pool would get nearly as many blocks, and like they say, more than 50% of hash at just one pool can kill the coin.

This is all the stuff that we already know. As far as miners go, it's all a dev's game that even make coins mineable. AMD from what I see, has more dev's and better support in their miners, compared to Nvidia, even though the Maxwell architecture is far for better per watt. And just like you said, my partially optimized whirlpoolx miner by sp and others e.g. gives me 292 mh/s @ OC'ed 980 at temps peaking at 37C, while taking just 60% of the overall TDP. Meaning that while it can go further, we just need more support.

And I'm actually doing the opposite of what you said, by actually selling this coin and buying something that I consider a little more valuable for the future.

[Erkallys]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere.

Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future.

We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta.

I think the coin is still profitable with two bigger AMD cards, but what I feel like is that either the pool operators or the algo itself should make some implementation as to how many mh/s can technically be allowed from one ip/user/account as to make it fair game. Right now at supernova, the guy with the highest hash has enough hash as adding up all the rest of the miners in the pool and that's a bummer.

Because of that, no one else could leave the pool as no other pool would get nearly as many blocks, and like they say, more than 50% of hash at just one pool can kill the coin.

This is all the stuff that we already know. As far as miners go, it's all a dev's game that even make coins mineable. AMD from what I see, has more dev's and better support in their miners, compared to Nvidia, even though the Maxwell architecture is far for better per watt. And just like you said, my partially optimized whirlpoolx miner by sp and others e.g. gives me 292 mh/s @ OC'ed 980 at temps peaking at 37C, while taking just 60% of the overall TDP. Meaning that while it can go further, we just need more support.

And I'm actually doing the opposite of what you said, by actually selling this coin and buying something that I consider a little more valuable for the future.

What is this more valuable coin ?

[traumschiff]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now

Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother

i mean watts per coin, cooling won't help
as you said "Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized"
let me ask then why launch a coin with new algo
so underoptimized at start and claim it energy efficient.
the story reminds me of groestlcoin

Algo isn't the only thing what is energy efficient, the whole source is. If you follow news you will see that the staking iOS and Android wallets will use ~0% cpu.

[traumschiff]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

That is what they think, but this isn't accurate. Difficulty isn't the only thing moving here, but blocktimes. Jumping on an off with a huge hash won't get them any advantage here, read about the difficulty retargeting in the OP and in the whitepaper.

I know what you're saying, but the longer block times still doesn't really help us smaller miners.

But it causes problems for pool hoppers, which on the long run should demotivate them. The coin launched with a long solo mining phase which was well announced previously, that was perfect for smaller miners, currently with this price level it is clear that people with 1-2 gpu's and higher electricity costs will not profit from mining here. Either you mine because you believe in this, or mine something more profitable and buy VNLs from BTC earned elsewhere.

Ofcourse if you are a developer and can further optimize your miners like Wolf0 can, you could still potentially profit (not much), but honestly the price is 2 low currently compared to what the coin will offer in the future.

We simply have no hype and also don't intend to cause huge hype waves since we still consider this a beta.

I think the coin is still profitable with two bigger AMD cards, but what I feel like is that either the pool operators or the algo itself should make some implementation as to how many mh/s can technically be allowed from one ip/user/account as to make it fair game. Right now at supernova, the guy with the highest hash has enough hash as adding up all the rest of the miners in the pool and that's a bummer.

Because of that, no one else could leave the pool as no other pool would get nearly as many blocks, and like they say, more than 50% of hash at just one pool can kill the coin.

This is all the stuff that we already know. As far as miners go, it's all a dev's game that even make coins mineable. AMD from what I see, has more dev's and better support in their miners, compared to Nvidia, even though the Maxwell architecture is far for better per watt. And just like you said, my partially optimized whirlpoolx miner by sp and others e.g. gives me 292 mh/s @ OC'ed 980 at temps peaking at 37C, while taking just 60% of the overall TDP. Meaning that while it can go further, we just need more support.

And I'm actually doing the opposite of what you said, by actually selling this coin and buying something that I consider a little more valuable for the future.

Your asking the coin to be fair while we had the possibility to solo mine this coin for 2 months with a dualcore cpu and get blocks on a daily basis. I solo mined it with home desktops and could mine around 15k coins, so could 100-200 other people who followed the initial BCT announcement and the vanillacoin.net forums.

The next mining phase is the gpu mining phase, you can't limit it without pushing away bigger investors. Everyone had/will have their chance at mining, from the smallest investors to the biggest, this is as fair as it gets.

Regarding your investing, do your own research and do as you wish, but I doubt that you see a lot of better technological investments in crypto if you read the source and follow what John is doing and saying. I know part of what is planned here, and this isn't your avarage PnD crypto.

[traumschiff]

460 GHs and 22k diff, should be a new high

Edit: Jumped to 636 GH/s

[Hippie Tech]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now

Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother

i mean watts per coin, cooling won't help
as you said "Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized"
let me ask then why launch a coin with new algo
so underoptimized at start and claim it energy efficient.
the story reminds me of groestlcoin

Algo isn't the only thing what is energy efficient, the whole source is. If you follow news you will see that the staking iOS and Android wallets will use ~0% cpu.

i follow only numbers, if you launch a coin with public miner at 100MH/card,
mining enough the same time with custom one at 300MH/card, sell the coins,
then everything else is just for fun

Your 300% example is quite conservative when compared to neoscrypt and it's potential 1000-2000%.

[john-connor]

Right now at supernova, the guy with the highest hash has enough hash as adding up all the rest of the miners in the pool and that's a bummer.

Because of that, no one else could leave the pool as no other pool would get nearly as many blocks, and like they say, more than 50% of hash at just one pool can kill the coin.

And I'm actually doing the opposite of what you said, by actually selling this coin and buying something that I consider a little more valuable for the future.

1. The "guy with the highest hash" rents his/her hash power with real $$$, anyone can do the same.
2. 50% at a single pool cannot kill the coin, neither can 99% since most blocks are Proof-of-Stake as can be seen in the block explorer.

Thank you for your support.

[traumschiff]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now

Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother

i mean watts per coin, cooling won't help
as you said "Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized"
let me ask then why launch a coin with new algo
so underoptimized at start and claim it energy efficient.
the story reminds me of groestlcoin

Algo isn't the only thing what is energy efficient, the whole source is. If you follow news you will see that the staking iOS and Android wallets will use ~0% cpu.

i follow only numbers, if you launch a coin with public miner at 100MH/card,
mining enough the same time with custom one at 300MH/card, sell the coins,
then everything else is just for fun

Your 300% example is quite conservative when compared to neoscrypt and it's potential 1000-2000%.

no need to compare, neo's "potential" is already cashed out, look at ftc price, now wpx turn.
it's all the same old groestl story, with variations

Please show me what groestl coins had to offer the world except a new algo and another Bitcoin clone. Point it out.

You can't even compare this project, it's codebase and the future potential of it with those.

I feel that you still talk about this project as if the only thing it would offer is a new algo and when people took their profit this would just die off, no chance that this is going to happen.

[pallas]

Why is the difficulty so low ?

Farms kicking in and out, playing with the difficulty.

The coin is great, but when farms kick in, it's pretty much their coin.

algo-wise this coin is dead, wpx icecream heats as hell now

Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized, but I wouldn't call cards running at 70C hot. Consider a better cooling and not staking tons of cards next to eachother

i mean watts per coin, cooling won't help
as you said "Every algo will produce heat when fully optimized"
let me ask then why launch a coin with new algo
so underoptimized at start and claim it energy efficient.
the story reminds me of groestlcoin

Algo isn't the only thing what is energy efficient, the whole source is. If you follow news you will see that the staking iOS and Android wallets will use ~0% cpu.

i follow only numbers, if you launch a coin with public miner at 100MH/card,
mining enough the same time with custom one at 300MH/card, sell the coins,
then everything else is just for fun

Your 300% example is quite conservative when compared to neoscrypt and it's potential 1000-2000%.

no need to compare, neo's "potential" is already cashed out, look at ftc price, now wpx turn.
it's all the same old groestl story, with variations

Please show me what groestl coins had to offer the world except a new algo and another Bitcoin clone. Point it out.

You can't even compare this project, it's codebase and the future potential of it with those.

I feel that you still talk about this project as if the only thing it would offer is a new algo and when people took their profit this would just die off, no chance that this is going to happen.

I think he means that the groestl algo is the classic example of a very slow public miner which had much faster private implementations since the beginning: coins using that algo have been mined like that for months until the profits went over and finally someone (me) released an opersource miner up to speed ;-)