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Problem is, how do you moderate account selling?
Ban when IP changes? Nope. No way in hell, people have IP changes all the time.
And in reality, that's really the only way. There's no easy way to track accounts changing hands, unless you're the NSA.
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Because people don't know how to take their arguments off of a thread like this and to a different Meta thread.
It is split quite evenly, yes. Unfortunately it's going to take a while to think of a solution that will satisfy most people.
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Problem is, the rep of KOS (a Hero Member, at the very least) will still be carrying over. I'll change my reputation to neutral if I feel you don't have intent to scam with the account after a week or so.
Hero, Legendary or whatever.. it doesn't make anyone more reputable. You could still be a prick at legendary rank, besides you don't know this is KOS posting as Gandalf Doesn't matter to a Newbie. Newbies will see this account with no negative trust and Hero Member. |
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Problem is, the rep of KOS (a Hero Member, at the very least) will still be carrying over. I'll change my reputation to neutral if I feel you don't have intent to scam with the account after a week or so.
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I don't really use the trust list as a list of people I implicitly trust, or know, or have traded with, though some of those are on there, it's just a list of people whose feedback I value more than others.
And this is precisely how it should be. It has actually been stated many times before (I'm fairly sure theymos was the one who first stated this) that the entire point of DefaultTrust is so that those on Depth 1 pick out a Trust list of people who have valuable feedback to be on Depth 2, or in more common wording, to maintain a trust list of good rating-givers. |
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Can someone please dox him so he goes to jail?
Nope. But could you perhaps provide some proof to verify your claims, or follow the format in the stickies? |
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Wait two days and I will try to get you the account. I'm in a serious condition.
Are you trying to pull the "I'm in hospital/seriously ill" card...? Or something similar, just not with illness? Either way, the guy is sketchy. Until this is resolved I wouldn't buy accounts from him. |
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You're saying the system is flawed because people got a lot of rep and scammed (or scammed and weren't instantly marked red).
Well, unfortunately...that's a problem with all reputation systems. It's up to the speediness of the community to respond, and the prevalence of scam accusations. Charlie Shrem was probably an exception to that, but that's probably because it seemed like it was being paid off so no-one wanted to leave him negative trust just yet.
I've left them all negative trust. Talking about it does wonders to fix these "flaws", they help the community to know when some bad people are getting around uncaught!
On the note of scam catching, I've got a lot more free time now and plan to get back into Bitcointalk properly. So I'll try and help out with that.
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Multipliers: (center to extreme)
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Max amount playable: 0.025
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Odds: 98.317%
Max win: 50.375 BTC
Name: New Year's Celebration
Bitcoin Address: 171717Lqgyi88sqSqRtToFYUYmJqeq5Bui
I like this one! Thanks!  |
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Are you a newbie patroller too? Or just a local board moderator?
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Gleb Gamow is PG. I think he intended that as more of a joke, though, to be honest...
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If I'm honest, when I think about it...I prefer DefaultTrust as it is right now to all of these suggestions. DefaultTrust definitely isn't perfect but these don't seem to be all that good either.
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Yeah, this is a major problem with OTC exchanges. If your fees aren't large enough to cover possible price fluctuations, you're going to have issues. And Bitcoin can be very, very volatile sometimes.
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Multipliers: (center to extreme)
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0.2 0.4 0.8 1.5 3 8 10 15 2015
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Max amount playable: 0.025
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Odds: 98.317%
Max win: 50.375 BTC
Name: New Year's Celebration
Bitcoin Address: 171717Lqgyi88sqSqRtToFYUYmJqeq5Bui
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It's been stated before, CanaryInTheMine has a ridiculously sized trust list that is not at all used for its purpose.
At the end of the day, people on Level 1 are supposed to choose people for Level 2 based on who they think will give good and accurate trust ratings. They're not supposed to add every single damn person they've traded with to Level 2! (He may not have added ALL of the people he has traded with, admittedly, but still...)
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IMHO everybody participating in the practice of leaving negative Trust in retaliation should cease this immediately. This is not what the Trust system is for, and doing so only diminishes the value of our ratings. Also we should go back and audit our Trust ratings periodically so that only those who are legitimately untrustworthy (ie. they've been proven to be scammers or walk/talk like a scammer and want you to send first without escrow, etc) remain with negative Trust. Finally, Trust ratings should not be set in stone. If someone gets lit red because of a loan default, but then eventually pays it back, I feel that the negative rating should be removed. Gotta keep in mind that everybody has their own life and their own life issues to deal with, and sometimes shit happens. And yes, I realize I should probably do a better job of heeding my own advice.
Thank you. No more "he started it" bullshit, please. Retaliating to negative feedback with a trust war is absolutely childish. PM each other and sort it out like real people! I do audit my own trust ratings every once in an odd while, and usually remove a good amount of negatives (and positives, sometimes). Trust wars make both sides look ridiculous and makes them both even more steady with their ratings. No-one gets anywhere - if anything, we take steps backward. |
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AFAIK staff are allowed to have opinions... There are no rules (except no spamming I guess) on the Trust system. They can do that if they want, it shouldn't have any effect on it whether they're staff or not.
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Loan will be repaid January 14th, most likely. Just a heads up. Repayment will be sent to 1DkMhw8HBVeJ1Do5u4Un4jYCZxVf618Brq, cheers!
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Though as a note, if redsn0w does start offering escrow again in the future, say after getting his negatives removed...then there's a problem. Unless a long, long period of time has passed.
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