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1321  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 09, 2023, 04:35:31 PM
Everybody lose on slots unfortunately no matter who they are,the slots are so addictive that rarely the slot lovers can quit them and as soon as you can't quit them you will lose money in the short and long term.Even if you hit that max win you will spend it in a such a fast way that you will keep losing no matter what you are able to do with your money.

That is why it is recommended that people stop playing slots otherwise they will lose money in the longer term and there is no coming back from playing slots,do not be deceived by those guys showing you the streams where they win as they are playing with sponsored money so quit as long as you are able to as once you jump in the wagon of slot addiction there is no turning back.
1322  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: First winning can be a trap on: December 09, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
The first attempt of gambling by anyone that the result comes out to be a win can be a trap if one is not careful and conscious. Have noticed people who plays gambling on their first attempt and win thinks gambling is very easy because they were lucky to have a win in the first attempt,  whenever it happens like this with beginners they still want to play  more and as they continue it is just a simple strategy to lose all they won in their first attempt,  it is important new gamblers shouldn't tricked to play more expecting to continue to have more wins.

That is an old saying,personally my first two bets were lost ones and I wanted to go back and recover my money which brought me to systematic gambling,the same that happens to people who are trapped by their first win thinking that in gambling money can be made easily when in fact it is totally the opposite of that.

Once a gambler always a gambler as that saying says so most probably has nothing to do with first win or being lucky as a beginner but it has to do with our inner side who love gambling and that first bet acts only as a spark to this desire.
1323  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏆Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: December 09, 2023, 10:32:36 AM
So what was the pick? In this round there are only two games with more or less large odds - the victory of Red Star against City and the victory of Antwerp against Barcelona. I bet on the first outcome, although in fact the bet against Barcelona looks more realistic. The team is not just in a temporary crisis (like City) but is experiencing systemic problems, so a motivated underdog can beat them.

Surprisingly I didn't bet on either of them. My bet was on Lazio.
Even though they played well at home against Atletico in the first meeting, they managed to get a draw with a last minute goal, but this time they have a chance to top the group and I think they will want to make the most of it.

If I remember correctly, the coefficient is approximately 5.4-5.5? Quite high to go all-in, but if it were a money bet I would say that this choice does not look profitable - Atlético are doing great in the group stage, and Lazio, on the contrary, is quite mediocre. In addition, the price of victory will be very high - if you look at the first places in the groups, there are solid tops that no one would want to meet in the 1/8.

Atletico Madrid is in top form,they won easily at Feyenoord while Lazio could not do so and in fact Lazio lost there,we cannot expect such surprise from Lazio in the last group stage game.I think that Atletico is also having an easy game during this weekend which they can win easily without any real performance needed to win this game.

Lazio has a difficult game tonight as they are playing away and most likely will be more tired than Atletico that is why I don't think in this game lies any surprise result in the last game of the group stages.

1324  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are slots hard to understand on purpose? on: December 08, 2023, 11:04:54 PM
If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

It is easy to understand if you have time to read.The RTP is in a slot 96.50% the theoretical return to a player,this does not mean that if you deposit 100 dollars you will get 96.5 dollars back,no it does not work like that.The RTP is the total sum of all the spins made in the casino from all the players and out of all this sum the 96.5% is returned back to the players,this though is not in equal value,someone can get it all with a huge win and all other people can remain without getting anything,do not rely on RTP to win on slots,the only thing needed here is an insane amount of luck,only that  Grin.
1325  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: December 08, 2023, 10:46:05 PM
The fixture build up over the festive period really separates the contenders from the pretenders doesn’t it. So many games in such a short space of time, very little recovery time, the injuries build up. It’s cold, gets dark early. I always think this upcoming period shows who will fight for the title and who won’t.

We move to the next round of fixtures. Liverpool go away to Crystal Palace, Aston Villa host leaders Arsenal and out of form Man City go to Luton. It’s going to be a weekend full of drama.

Come on Liverpool.

This upcoming fixtures are really difficult and i think that it will be hard to predict. I really think that its gonna be a problem for everyone and who ends up this week on top is really good. Because this can make a difference and i dont think that this matches are easily. Liverpool has a hard match but can win and must win for first place.

I think Liverpool is the most stable team from the recent results and they are a team that should not worry for thinking about European competition like Manchester United or any other team will have to do some calculations.They will go all in at this fixture as they know it is extremely important to them to keep winning in order to get as many points as possible.I know that Liverpool also knows from experience that they have won so many similar Premier League titles by being very consistent compared to all other teams and I think they have high chances to win this year too.
1326  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: gambling for newbies on: December 08, 2023, 10:18:22 PM
You want to learn how to gamble mate ? I would give you the most simple and yet effective advice which is for you to go find a friend of yours in real life who is actually a gambler and then ask him about gambling and that you have funds which you would like to try out and believe me you would definitely like the reaction that you will get  Grin. Just know and always remember that we actually gamble for fun and anything more than this can make you a possible addict in the near future.

Gambling for newbies I would not recommend it as if you have never gambled starting to gamble is a really bad idea and it means your life is boring if a person wanna try it.When you are a beginner you can fall prey to addiction very easily without you realizing it at all and thinking everything is normal,it can become the norm in your lifestyle which can be a very bad one if you don't know how to handle the losing of money.

If a person wants to start gambling knowing all of the risks gambling bring to the table then my advice it to take a look at a lot of forums,videos,discussions for gambling in general and only when he has gotten a clear idea,only then to start gambling.
1327  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Math and Gambling on: December 08, 2023, 09:38:35 PM
I always wondered is gambling purely a game of luck. But now that you have created this topic I began to question myself. You are correct. Math has a big role in gambling. When we talk about winning and loosing probability, math comes first. I think gambling and math co exist for each other. But there is another problem. We are not that genius like the people you mentioned earlier, Chris Ferguson or James Simons. They were born genius. It's not something we can master in a day. Ever since I was a kid I was very weak at math.





Well I think math and statistic together with probability which now is a profession that we call a "Data scientist" which in the end of the day is just an advanced statistician can help especially in sport betting if you are crazy enough to keep track of all results of every single week of the games where you place the bets the most.I know statistics are just that statistics but sometimes those help you decide to go for money line,over or both teams to score for example,or if a certain team has never or almost never won a head to head with another team you can place a huge bet on that team to "win to nil no" bet.In the end though luck is prevalent and without it you can be the greatest scientist on earth,or greatest math practitioner and you will still lose.
1328  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The worst slot provider ever? on: December 08, 2023, 09:14:38 PM
I will start with Hacksaw and Wazdan... In my experience, these two are the worst of them all! Almost impossible to hit some bonus round with normal spins, and most bonus rounds pays under x10...

But as you suggest more providers I will add them to the poll. So let's find the worst provider ever! Smiley
Of the providers listed so far, Wazdan is the worst IMO. I've had some good wins on hacksaw, just gotta spin alot. Lots of the bonuses pay crap, but when a hacksaw slot hit, it hits for massive money.

I agree on Hacksaw but they have a minimum bet higher than Pragmatic and that is why they can be considered worse than Pragmatic at a certain attempt,nevertheless now lately all Pragmatic slots are shit in the full meaning of the word and everybody is complaining about them,I don't know what happened to their RTP but sounds like an immediate change,max wins used to happen the more often in this provider than in any other,now it is not happening anymore.In this context Hacksaw is better,they are well known to be extremely volatile and they have always been like that,so based on this between the two Pragmatic is worse while for the worse of all there are tons of them.
1329  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What Aspect of Sports Betting or Casino Gambling Posed a Challenge for You? on: December 08, 2023, 08:25:16 PM
What aspect of sports betting or casino gambling posed an initial challenge for you when you first started, but which you eventually grasped? How did you finally understand it. Did a friend explain it, did you watch a YouTube video, participate in a sports betting community on social media, or did you figure it out through a trial-and-error approach?

The only thing that I had a hard time was on my beginning trying to figure out Asian lines and Asian handicap in soccer betting and then the Overtime in Basketball,Baseball and Ice Hockey but this was easily figured out once some time passed,in the beginning I had this difficulty.

Also when I switched to online slots from offline ones I had difficulties to understand the bonus rounds or some game mechanics as I was rushing to win money and never taking time to read the instructions,once I started reading the instructions everything was clear so in the end only in the beginning people may have some challenges.
1330  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Casinos after the shutdowns of mixers on: December 08, 2023, 03:02:14 PM
I think mixers will continue to be used in the other space as already mentioned here and that other space is dark/deep web (can't say anymore about it) so this means people will be able to use the mixers again,those people used to use mixers as for me personally I almost never used any of them because I never had the need to do so.

Also the casinos to make an analogy even if they are shutdown in "normal" web they will continue to exist in the deep web,so this news will not affect most of the users here who are knowledgeable enough to search and to find where the casinos will be.Again as already said here casinos are not risking to lose their multi million dollars just because some stupid law says so.
1331  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sympathetic gamblers looses itself on: December 08, 2023, 02:42:31 PM
I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.

That is normal to be emphatic to other fellow gamblers when they lose a lot,I remember when I used to lose big one time many years ago and I even lost money that I needed to eat,being deep down in addiction not only one person but a couple of them gave me condolence tips of 10-20 Euros and I only then realized what I have done and what gambling addiction can do to you,it can totally destroy your senses like it did to me at that time.

I never think that someone lost more than me,I just think that I am fighting to hit that huge multiplier and when I lose I do not condone myself to think that other lost more,I am very angry as why I didn't hit that huge multiplier although I know chances when playing slots are 0 or almost 0 in the long run.
1332  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏆Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: December 08, 2023, 01:52:03 PM
I just submitted my picks. I'm not happy I got zeros in a row after spreading my stakes in a few places so this time I went a different strategy, half stakes on 1 game half on another. Both teams actually not much to play for except to consolidate or consolation but I hope the pressure of not needing to win is enough to let them have freedom.

Good luck to everyone except those above me Smiley

There is a good choice in opting this way while by reading this I maybe do 5 games with 2 stakes in each rather than playing 4 games with different stakes.As I said it is early to place the bets but since you are going for surprise results that should not impact much your choice.Keep in mind though that every single time you hit 0 points with these type of bets it  means with every passing week you will be most probably surpassed by other people who play in a more conventional way,I hope to be one of those and thanks for the good luck since I think I am below now  Grin.
1333  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏆Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: December 08, 2023, 09:41:56 AM
I will wait more data before putting in my picks,I think it is to early to put data on 8th of December for games that play in 12-13 December,many things can change from the teams,players,coach decisions which can have a big impact on our choice.I personally will continue with 4 picks 2 with 3 stakes on them and 2 with 2 stakes on them,odds to be over 2 for such choices and this hopefully will prove me right to end in a prize spot position in the end.

Of course if people continue to take risks and if they are rewarded at least once this means I will be out of prize spot positions soon,anyway I am happy with Pot B whatever the end result will be.
1334  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 07, 2023, 09:02:20 PM
I think if Bayern Munich is made runner up by Xabi Alonso this season, he will most likely get a much bigger offer in the world of football, European team owners will always come to see him, we know that Bayern Munich is very difficult to beat so far in the domestic league, so will be the toughest challenger this time in the bundes league for Bayern Munich.
If possibility winning Bundesliga trophy and success stop Bayern Munich dominance, will be more valuable for Xabi Alonso and many teams waiting for his sign to be manager. Winning mentality make Bayern Munich difficult for beating and learned with Dortmund last season failed for winning Bundesliga trophy on last one match although they have managed top position before. Fantastic record make by Xabi Alonso if can give Bundesliga trophy for Bayern Leverkusen in this season and he will be as the top manager without two years manage Leverkusen success give domestic league trophy. Just speculative only looking how many matches left and many points hunt for all Bundesliga teams, have good result last match on DFB Pokal seems easily fro Xabi Alonso to give this trophy for Leverkusen in this season.

In DFB Pokal club left there are not Bayern Munich and Stuttgart is second favorite team become the winner after Leverkusen, I think Xabi Alonso must focus on DFB Pokal if fail for winning domestic league trophy.
The winning mentality and the power of money that this clearly has will be very difficult to beat for several clubs especially we know in the last decade it is not uncommon for great players who are in several clubs in the Bundesliga to belong to Bayern which actually strengthens their strength.
Not a few players who really contributed to belonging to Bayern so that the hegemony they created was not lost which resulted in other clubs in the Bundesliga having difficulty destroying the dominance that has been maintained over the past decade.

At the moment the chances of several clubs are still there, especially maybe for Leverkusen but if in the end there are some changes in terms of players and coaches in the transfer market later, this could also be a condition where it is difficult for several clubs to strengthen their consistency. Now Leverkusen still has a great chance to compete in the Bundesliga, it's just that for the championship I still doubt they can replace Bayern.




Leverkussen at first convinced me with their games,winning every game and drawing against Bayern Munchen but since I saw the game against Dortmund I immediately retreat my thinking about them,a team without ideas in the second half of that game and most of the game,they were attacking and keeping the ball while the goal chances could be counted with the fingers of one hand at that second half.

I know Dortmund is a strong team but they let open field to Leverkussen as they got back in defense,something Leverkussen could not translate to their advantage and as such I believe that they are a contender though not as strong as I thought.
1335  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: December 07, 2023, 08:47:52 PM
The only true thing every gambler should learn is to find out the best moment to avoid and not continue playing if he is losing big.Also it is better you play in a very cozy relaxed place like in your home office studio or a coach in full quietness as that would be great to enhance his chances to win and even if he does not win it is a great ambient to think carefully and to stop playing when everything goes wrong.

Other than this I don't know what other things will enhance your session by avoiding them,it is something everybody knows that you should not play in a crowded mode with your friends as you are not that focused,so to keep the chat of the casinos off is a great way to remove distractions.
1336  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 07, 2023, 07:49:55 PM
However, Girona, who now appears confident unlike last season, is now certain to want to replace Real Madrid. and of course the goal is to become champion this season.
Girona becoming Laliga champions is not impossible, but it will be very difficult because they are competing with teams that can be said to always dominate in this league every season.
Girona failed when they faced Real Madrid even though it was a home match for them, so what about when they face Barcelona, my prediction is that if they can make a surprise in the match by beating Barcelona then that will be enough to lift the confidence of the Girona squad to perform even better when facing other strong teams such as Atletico Madrid, and doubts about Girona will begin to diminish because slowly they can prove that their current position is not the result of luck but excellent teamwork.
Given their big opponents, their season has been exceptional. They struggled against Real Madrid at home, but thats just one game. When they play Barcelona, they can change everything. Defeating Barcelona would strengthen the team's and fans' confidence. Its about showing they can compete with the best, not just the points. Their impressive performance versus Valencia shows they're not lucky - they're skilled and team-oriented. Who knows if they can continue this momentum into the Barcelona game and beyond? This season may have a new champion!

I really don't see Girona lifting the laliga title, in as much as I wouldn't want to talk down on any team owing to the fact that sometimes wonders do happen in football just like in case of Leicester city in the premier league some years ago, but I still do not envisage Girona winning it, perhaps it's still too early to decide because there are many game to go and many more big teams to play against and I doubt if they are going to beat any one of these big teams like Barca, Real Madrid, Athletico Madrid, real Sociedad, or Sevilla even if they are in a poor form at the moment.

They're having a nice ride this season and they should be happy of that, but with talks of winning and raising the Spanish La Liga? Everybody can dream of lifting but they'll have to go through the process gradually and successful phase through all of the problematic clubs they face. It's interesting seeing them at the top, it's motivation that anyone can go up, you just need believe in yourself while you keep going.

It's also just too early to say a team would become winners. I'd love them to be amongst the top four of not top five clubs at the end of the season. Barcelona remains my number 1 prediction.

La Liga this year is very competitive and strangely enough Girona is holding that first place after so many games despite losing at home against Real Madrid.They have found that mentality that are founding late goals in almost every single game and that mentality is the mentality of a winning team who never surrenders before the end whistle.

It would be nice for them to win it La Liga and even if they don't do so I am pretty sure they will be able to be in the top 4 in the end of the season which would be a huge achievement for them as they will be playing in Champions League next year,for a team like Girona this will be a dream come true.
1337  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling and Behavioral Change!!! on: December 07, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Does any of feel behavioral change in you based on the win/loss in gambling. Myself had experienced it, and personally I used to be happy and I used to be polite with my family members and kid whenever I am on profit. On the day of losing it changes exactly in the opposite way, even for simple things I get much anger. Particularly while giving food to kid patience is must. On winning days I let him take his own time and eat. On the losing days I used to shout at him. I'm addicted, and I want fellow gamblers to make a self analysis at regular interval and be on the safer side.

Only when the losing becomes consistent you start not answering politely anymore but this happens only with friends and relatives,if this behavior gets in your way in your job place then it means that you have gone deep inside into addiction.That is what happens to me,I use to sometimes shout to my wife when she is talking to me for anything and I am experiencing constant losing through my gambling sessions.

I think when we win it is natural that we talk more slowly and more politely because our mood is better,dopamine is at really high levels this time much different than when you are losing and as such you are happy most of the time.These 2 types are normal gamblers behavior in most instances.
1338  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 07, 2023, 06:52:39 PM
It can be done if Manchester United win against Bayern and Copenhagen draw against Galatasaray indirectly they will definitely qualify because they are 1 point ahead of Copenhagen and Galatasaray but if they win but one of Copenhagen and Galatasaray wins then they will only be in the Europa League but another possibility if Manchester United lose or draw then they will only be at the bottom of the standings without being able to say much for the Champions League this season.

I personally wouldn't expect too much actually but of course Manchester United winning is very good just that Bayern don't want to lose their unbeaten record in the group phase.
Yes, opportunities will always be there in football, I look a bit pessimistic about Manchester United, their chances are very small to qualify for the next phase, because Copenhagen and Galatasaray will go all out in the deciding match for Group A, of course Copenhagen in this match has the advantage It's very big to win the match later, because they are playing at their own headquarters. Mentally, of course Galatasaray will be under pressure from the boisterous support of the crowd, of course the two coaches already know how each team plays, it is the fitness and cohesiveness of each player that can Pumping this all up.


Galatasaray's performance in the last matches was very good. They may seem to be behind in the rankings now, but they played very well even in the matches they lost and were a little unlucky. So I think they have a good chance of winning in the next match.
Of course, it will be a very difficult match and a very difficult away game, but if Galatasaray wins this match, it will be 2nd in the group. That's why I think they will come to the match very prepared, they will not make the simple mistakes they made in other matches

I also agree they have high chances of winning against Copenhagen in their last game.They were great in attack against Manchester United and they had much more chances to win the game but their weak point was the defense as also Manchester United had a lot of chances and they easily with just 2-3 passes were in hit zone against Galatasaray.I know Copenhagen is not the same level as Manchester United and because they were able to handle well against Manchester they most likely have high chances,really high chances to win.I was not impressed at all by Copenhagen play against Bayern,it was Bayern totally underestimating the game.
1339  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What will you say within your limits to encourage responsible gambling? on: December 07, 2023, 06:21:50 PM
If you work as a staff member in a physical casino as a dealer or in a sports bookie, I know that there are subtle ways you can use to encourage responsible gambling that will not go against the terms and conditions for staff.

For example, suppose you encounter a gambler who has wagered $200 at the table and is currently winning $6k. Would you express to them, "Hey, you're up $6k, and you initially entered this table with $200. Walk away, Take your winnings, go!" or will you say, "It is very admirable to know when to stop"?

What will you say within your limits to encourage responsible gambling?

In a physical casino back in 2008 when I used to work there this was definitely not allowed for staff,the staff were only allowed to stay at their place and to convert money to playing chips,the dealer in the poker table and blackjack table was also not allowed to interact directly with the players as the object was observed with security cameras.

If I were the dealer I would tell them in a subtle way to stop at 6K as you are up 30x your initial amount and it is a good place to know when to leave,hoping for a tip  Grin from that player.In that casino where I worked tips were given in abundance I must admit as gamblers are usually in a great mood when they win,especially people winning jackpots of 5000 EUR and above were very generous in tips,they sometimes out of 5000 EUR let 300 EUR as a tip to the lady in the reception.
1340  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 07, 2023, 06:04:10 PM
Liverpool came away with a great win against Sheffield United and moved into second place at the top of the points table. Liverpool team is currently in good form in the Premier League this season, this team is performing well in every match with great stars. So far they have played 15 matches in the Premier League out of which ten matches have been won remarkably, that's why they are in a good position in the points table. Moreover, after winning against Sheffield United, the team is in the second place of the points table with 34 points. If Liverpool can win their next match with their opponents, then maybe they can overtake Arsenal, and I believe Liverpool will overtake Arsenal and take their place in the points table if they try.
Liverpool has been consistent in winning their Premier League matches this season, and they were able to get a point against Manchester City at Etihad Stadium which is a good result. I agree with you that Liverpool has the chance to top the Premier League table this weekend if they win against Crystal Palace and if Arsenal draw at Villa Park.

They are more convincing than Arsenal so far and this time Manchester City is out of the equation with the lost game of yesterday night it will be very difficult for them to get back on track to try and win the Premier League,most likely they will shift their focus to Champions League and the Premier League will be a battle between Arsenal and Liverpool and any team who is the most consistent in winning every single game,not underestimating a single one kinda like Liverpool is doing and I checked the stats,they have only lost against Tottenham and every other game they have gotten points,with this I want to say that consistency is paying in the end.
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