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1961  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread on: September 16, 2023, 07:45:26 PM
Huh, tomorrow's race looks like it might be pretty interesting. Sainz favorite for the win, and odds of ~7 for Red Bull to be the winning constructor.

They were on top in every race this season, can they turn it around tomorrow as well? The odds are too good not to try.

It's a night race as well, perfect time slot for us Europeans, not the one to miss!

Odds near 7,are they kidding us the bookies,do they think that Redbull team will not have enough time to fix the car for the race?I strongly agree with you the odds are too good to not try and I am going to bet like some 70.000 IDR for 490.000 IDR for Redbull to be the winning constructor.

I think and believe the mechanics and the team can fix the car for tomorrow but not because they need to as they are already Champions this year,it is all about the prestige of such team,they would want to show the world that they can even fix things in not a so much favorable situation.
1962  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread on: September 16, 2023, 06:56:11 PM
I thought of choosing Leclerc for the pole first but later I decided not to take risks and went on with Verstappen. It seems like none of these choices would have made a big change.  Grin  Sainz made such a great effort and deserved to take that pole. Taking 2 consecutive poles is really impressive while there is a huge threat like Verstappen.

I wonder how the race will go tomorrow. If Ferrari don't screw things up in pit or with strategies then we can really see Ferrari drivers in first and second places.

Ferrari look much faster than Red Bull in Singapore but let's see whether they can maintain this pace in the race too.

It looks like Ferrari have improved not only in Monza as we all thought that they setup the car with the highest top speed there to take profit from the straights and have a good one,they did have a good one there.In here I never expected them to do this good and I also didn't want to take risks so choose Verstappen on pole.I believe though that Redbull team will work during all this time,during all the day there in Singapore and most probably would have fixed something for the race so this one is going to be a really interesting race tomorrow.
1963  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: September 16, 2023, 06:12:32 PM
It's obvious that Singapore is a tough track that takes a lot of effort to be good, even the slightest mistakes cost too much time here, it is not like some of the other tracks like Barcelona for example or France where you could make a small mistake and it will not cost you too much and you can recover, at Singapore if you make even one bad turn, which could happen even for f1 drivers, that could lead to 1 second loss, just one bad turn, think about how much difference each lap will be for every driver.

I know Max has been winning for a long time now, what is it, 10 in a row? I think it is quite obvious that he is going to be amazing and there will not be anything that will change any time here neither because he is one of the best consistent ones.

It looks like this race will be interesting tomorrow.I wonder what the odds will be for Verstappen to win the race as surely won't be that easy at all starting eleven in a track like that.It looked clear this time that Redbull lacked somewhat the pace here and I am sure that for tomorrow they will be working hard to fix things for the race.

Starting eleven is a really high risk starting position in a track like this one where accidents have happened quite a lot of times and you can get involved easily so if the odd is near 2 I am going to place a bet on Verstappen to see how it goes.
1964  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: September 16, 2023, 12:14:45 PM
Match day but this topic is in the third page. How it's even possible LOL?

Wolves just scored. I am not ready to see a draw or a loss. Still not even 10 minutes but we need to equalize as quick as possible. Shame I had a 1 - 3 for Liverpool but then changed mind for 0 - 2 🙄

I also have Liverpool 0-2 on the pool and I think that right now Wolves is just trying to defend this result,if we think of how the Premier League started hopefully we won't start the round with a surprise result.I believe in that second half that Liverpool pulled out against Newcastle and that they should make a similar one here too if the few minutes remaining of the first half end in 1-0 for Wolves.

The odd was low for Liverpool at 1.60 outside their home seeing their recent form not being the most perfect one and as such I refrained from betting on this game.
1965  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - The Leading Crypto Casino - Drake, UFC, Everton, Alfa Romeo F1 Team on: September 16, 2023, 09:19:03 AM
By the way, the bonus amounts for inactive accounts ( inactive more than 1 month is already enough ) for pre and post monthly have been lowered yet again.

So originally on my platinum 2 account I always got like 22 or 25$ , 2 months ago this was lowered to 8$ and as of now we are standing at 5$, totally forgot to claim it.

So far for achieving milestones and the rewards stay forever.  Roll Eyes

Experience and doing the same thing. Back in the last quarter of 2022 when I was at platinum 1 on stake.com they used to offer better bonuses every week and every month essentially giving you double the monthly bonus (post-monthly and pre-post monthly). During that quarter even if you didn't wager enough they would still give you a minimum of $5 weekly and around $20 to $25 as a monthly bonus even if you didn't wager enough. Today, I only receive $0.04 per week and $5 for both post and pre-monthly bonuses. This made me decide to leave stake and search for a casino that offers better VIP bonuses, cause it seemed useless to be a VIP in stake if I couldn't meet the required wagered amount to claim the better weekly and monthly bonuses.

It depends on the wagering requirement now.I will receive this week about 7 dollars weekly as that is what I see from requesting statistics from the site.For the monthly bonus it says 34 dollars but I doubt it as I am a bronze VIP and max we will get is near 20 dollars.However I doubt any other casino would give you better bonuses than Stake,maybe Stake had better bonuses some time ago but they still have one of the highest rewarding scheme for active users there,for users who wager often I mean.

What do you mean with 7$ and 34$. Does it tell you anywhere what to expect as a bonus? I never have heard that before.
Maybe you mean the bonus part of the statistics on the right. That doesn't mean you will get this number. It mean that's what you have gotten in bonus money over the last 24 hours/ 7 days/ 14 days/ 30 days.  Roll Eyes

Also, "maybe stake had better better bonus some time ago" must be the understatement of the century.
The bonus system had been cut by at least 66% , if not more, over the past 2 years. There is no "maybe" about that. Everybody here can tell you that.

If you are a bronze vip you can't be with stake for long, so you missed those times when the bonus was actually good and fair. Now many sites offer at least the same. Stake and bonus is not the best offer anymore, trust me.


Yeah I meant those numbers and I see they are not the same.This though does not mean that I am with Stake from not so long,I am since December 2021 but I only play with signature money so I never have deposited anything of my own there,I am always in profit for this simple fact and that is why during such a long time I am only Bronze but not for long as I will be Silver soon,am near 60% of this VIP level.

I don't intend to move from Stake though even when I will not be part of the signature anymore when the signature will stop,for the simple reason that the only time I got near max win x9833 multiplier was in this casino and not others,that is enough reason for me to stay.
1966  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you gamble because you don't have sufficient money? on: September 16, 2023, 09:02:55 AM
Rich people are gambling for fun and for the leisure period and not necessarily for the income or to earn money. It is the poor people that gamble for the income and to earn money so they can flex and use the win to lavish themselves in clubs and bars. Rich people already have the money to do that so they don't bother to gamble to get money. In the social stratification, poor people are also doing all their best to climb the ladder so if gambling will give them money to step up to the top then they are not there for fun but for the money to climb the ladder. Poor people even keep the small amount of money they have to gamble because all their hope is to win the game. They don't care about their hunger, they would use it to gamble and beg for feed themselves.
If poor people don't depend too much on gambling but can use their money well, especially to create small businesses using their money, it can give them the opportunity to make money. That means they don't need to gamble just because they lack money but can use all their abilities to make money not from gambling. So they don't need to experience losing money in gambling but they use their money to try to make money.

We cannot compare rich and poor people because poor people don't have money. But instead they are trying to make money, which is not right because it could cause them to lose their money. They should be able to find other ways to make money so they don't have to use gambling as a way to make money.

I would say that gambling is dangerously equal for both poor and rich people.That is because the addiction can get any of these persons and bring them to destruction.Of course the initial phase is different as why they enter gambling in the first place,the poor people think of it as a way to try and make some fast extra money through slot machines or sport bets while the rich persons look at it as a form of entertainment for themselves in the beginning as they don't need money in the first place.So the reasons are different but the outcome can be equally disastrous for anyone of them,no one is safe from addiction.
1967  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread on: September 16, 2023, 08:27:52 AM
I think that with the new layout of the track we will see more overtakes.

Ferrari is competitive but in the race, if nothing happens to Max they will have no chances.

Yeah,I just checked Practice 1 and 2 and Ferrari dominated both of them,I don't know if Monza was not because of the setup of the car only as this makes me think that real improvements for any track have been made to Ferrari since they are competitive in a very fast technical track like this one.

This race though is much more difficult for the drivers than Monza was as in Monza the track is straight near 70-75% of it while in here is full of turns and we have seen quite so many race incidents here,everything can happen in the race but first I need to see the official qualifying and see the real power of the cars.
1968  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: September 16, 2023, 08:10:52 AM
It seemed that Vallecano was still too strong for Alaves and the hosts managed to win the match with a score of 2-0. In fact, I thought that Alaves would put up quite a fierce resistance, but just looking at the number of shots on target, Alaves was already badly defeated. Vallecano recorded 11 shots on target and Alaves only 1, the difference is very striking even though ball possession is not much different. This result makes Vallecano move up to 4th position temporarily with 9 points and Alaves has to stay in 12th position. At least now Francisco Rodriguez's squad has good enough capital to be able to maintain its position until next week.

Vallecano played better yesterday night and their odd of 2 was a great one for this game.I completely forgot about this game as there were big names in other leagues playing yesterday and I choose them which was a fatal error as I would have won my bet if I choose this team instead of them.

Vallecano is of course a home team as bettors call them because they do perform really well in most of their home games and rarely they do the same when playing away from their stadium.So far it is early to say but things are looking good and a Champions League spot can be maybe achievable if they continue like this.
1969  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - The Leading Crypto Casino - Drake, UFC, Everton, Alfa Romeo F1 Team on: September 16, 2023, 07:01:45 AM
By the way, the bonus amounts for inactive accounts ( inactive more than 1 month is already enough ) for pre and post monthly have been lowered yet again.

So originally on my platinum 2 account I always got like 22 or 25$ , 2 months ago this was lowered to 8$ and as of now we are standing at 5$, totally forgot to claim it.

So far for achieving milestones and the rewards stay forever.  Roll Eyes

Experience and doing the same thing. Back in the last quarter of 2022 when I was at platinum 1 on stake.com they used to offer better bonuses every week and every month essentially giving you double the monthly bonus (post-monthly and pre-post monthly). During that quarter even if you didn't wager enough they would still give you a minimum of $5 weekly and around $20 to $25 as a monthly bonus even if you didn't wager enough. Today, I only receive $0.04 per week and $5 for both post and pre-monthly bonuses. This made me decide to leave stake and search for a casino that offers better VIP bonuses, cause it seemed useless to be a VIP in stake if I couldn't meet the required wagered amount to claim the better weekly and monthly bonuses.

It depends on the wagering requirement now.I will receive this week about 7 dollars weekly as that is what I see from requesting statistics from the site.For the monthly bonus it says 34 dollars but I doubt it as I am a bronze VIP and max we will get is near 20 dollars.However I doubt any other casino would give you better bonuses than Stake,maybe Stake had better bonuses some time ago but they still have one of the highest rewarding scheme for active users there,for users who wager often I mean.
1970  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: September 15, 2023, 08:48:36 PM
This result shows that the real contender to the title this year will without a doubt be Bayern Leverkussen.It is not easy at all to get a draw in Bayern Munchen home while we know that Bayern Munchen is in great form and also their main attacker now Harry Kane scored again tonight,the fact that Leverkussen equalized the result two times shows that they have potential and so far if I recall correctly have not lost a game.Next time they are playing at home which with a win they will consolidate their position even further.

This result though add to the Bundesliga that special thing needed to make it beautiful,competition,that is what it adds,we are used to Bayern Munchen dominating the league yet this time it does not look so.
1971  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: September 15, 2023, 08:30:17 PM
I don't want to talk bad about Paris but they are down again 1-2 right now in front of their home fans and this does not look good with just about 30 minutes left to play.I think Nice will close themselves in defense now making it more difficult for Paris,they will be based on counter attacks and they can surprise Paris even further.

While I believe that by Paris losing tonight and ruining my bet,my main bet for tonight which was a parlay with Bayern Munchen which is also drawing in late additional time makes the Ligue 1 much better and more interesting.Football started this weekend unfortunately up until now with 2 surprise results if PSG fails to win and yeah right now 1-3 for Nice which just scored again,with 20 minutes to go I doubt they can turn things around.
1972  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: September 15, 2023, 06:59:17 PM
Brighton is like another version of Nottingham Forest, but unlike them, they need to feared because of how well the players play and how any of them can score. Aaron Wan-Bissaka will have to keep Kaoru Mitoma calm min the game because he can become a lot of trouble for the suffering Manchester United Defense. Diogo Dalot will have to do the same at the other side against March, and in middle Maguire will face the pressure of an experienced Danny Welbeck.
Brighton is one of the teams that is able to make it difficult for big teams to achieve maximum results and if you look at their current performance it is very consistent. They could beat Manchester United quite easily considering the many problems Erik Ten Hag is currently facing. The three Brighton players you mentioned are devastating for Manchester United's defense and especially Karou Mitoma will definitely be very difficult to stop because he has speed and good dribbling.

Brighton is a strong team that's for sure but I doubt they will be able to win against Manchester United.I think Manchester United team should have taken precautions to not lose like last year when they were devastated at home from Brighton in a big surprise in the first week of the Premier League 2022/2023 season.

This time I think Manchester have the power to beat Brighton at home or at least get a draw which I think would be not a so good result for them,they need to get the three points at home in front of their fans.We have to see what the teams have improved during this 2 weeks break from Euro qualifiers.
1973  Economy / Gambling / Re: Slot Educational on: September 15, 2023, 05:58:46 PM
To be completely honest, I have watched the video that you posted and I have not been able to understand anything. What exactly is going on? To me it looks like some sort of promotion for certain slot games while they parade the prizes around so that everyone can see? If that is what is going on then I very much doubt gambling advertisements such as this will reduce the level of gambling addiction. In fact, flaunting the prizes and catching the attention of everyone (especially the very impressionable children), is not going to help anyone with a gambling problem.

They should parade examples of bad life decisions that people have made with gambling. That would be more effective in preventing people from gambling.
Basically, no one can stop gambling addiction or stop people from getting involved with gambling through parades or stuff like that, a person who decides to gamble will do it no matter what, they won't think of the consequences before getting into the action themselves and they will only realize their mistake once they lose everything they had to the house instead of doubling or tripling the amount which is basically the thought process of a gambler before getting involved.

So, I don't really find such parades and events being useful in reducing gambling addiction or letting people know that slots games can make them go broke if they play on them. Most people will see slot machines being opportunities for getting a lot of money though that barely happens to anyone.

The problem is with the people who win it big that are a few and they have the habit of uploading their gambling session in a streaming service like Youtube or Twitch for example which is much more widely used and followed that any parade and these guys will make people who want to win a lot of money jealous so they will give it a try.

These parades are not worthy and they do not make an impact because most people gamble online and they don't tell anyone that they gamble in most cases except extreme addicted people who the only thing they think about is gambling,in the end it remains in the people self will to stop playing.
1974  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Hacker Attack Landbase Casino Caesar’s & MGM (LasVegas) on: September 15, 2023, 03:00:52 PM
A few hours ago, just got information pops up from my YouTube recommendation for a casino in Las Vegas (MGM & Caesar’s). The casino was attacked by some hackers using ransomware. One thing that makes me interested in these attacks is that the slot cannot be played/out of service since don't really know the work of physical slots. I always think the physical slots have their own system (not connected to some server or something like that) because the slots are physical.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavxJjgGNno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq9rnMh2lhg

The hack also leaked customer data like (Social Security, etc). What do you think? last week we had (Stake) hacked and now land base casino just got attacked. It's there some chance we have an insider person for these cases?

By these cases? do slot can be manipulated ?

I used to work in a physical casino many years ago as Junior IT at that time and all the slots were sourced from Germany/Austria/Switzerland and what they had in common was that they were all powered by Red Hat Linux Enterprise operating system.I don't want to say that Linux is not susceptible to ransomware attacks yet at that time these attacks were not common at all as I am talking about 10-15 years ago.

However we never had any such problems,this means that the slots were powered by another operating system as a physical slot machine should have some sort of operating system,even a small foot print one which should be connected to locally if there are several slot machines of the same game,(LAN-Local Network) but I also am finding it difficult to think that they have been connected to Internet to get ransomware or maybe it was an inside job?
1975  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Let's Discuss Anything About Pragmatic Play Slot Games on: September 15, 2023, 01:59:34 PM
Guys here is the replay for all of you to watch it live.I had posted it in another thread that no one is replying anymore there so here is also for you to enjoy.The first time a game from Reel Kingdom as I said which is a big partner of Pragmatic Play gave me so many free spins,it is 60 or 70 spins max in a game that has very similar game play mechanics like the well known Big Bass series that they make but I think this is better as it has two symbols,one that collects the fish and the other that removes the lowest fish giving you a bit more edge.

https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/5WCCCtTQQx
1976  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: September 15, 2023, 01:40:52 PM
I feel that in the past two days it has been quite difficult to access freebitcoin, several times when I want to claim a free roll the site won't load completely for quite a long time, yesterday it happened like that and today it's the same, I thought my internet connection was but it turns out it's not because I can access other sites perfectly, does anyone experience the same thing as me?

No,everything works fine on my end.If you have been using it for quite some time you may need to logout and login again which is the same as clearing your cache in site settings of your browser.It is also not a browser problem as I assume you have already tried different browsers to access the website.

I am just clicking the rolls and Wheel of Fortune spins daily and letting all the balance in my account here,let's see how much it is when the next bull run will come so I can buy a lot of FUN tokens but in dollars not in Bitcoin as that way I would lose while in dollars I can win some.
1977  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Major League Soccer (MLS) 2021 on: September 15, 2023, 01:23:25 PM
Messi never want to go to Paris that its all the true, but the circunstaces made him ended there, he wasnt happy so he cant play his better  football, plus in the 2023 season he only was focused on World CUp, nothing more, with that two combiantions made a Messi not so over the performance. Anyways he manage to be the greatest assistant on both league 1.

Whenever a person does not feel comfortable he cannot perform well and to make a long story short this was his performance at Paris.In Miami he found himself again and the level of football of the MLS of course cannot yet compete with the top 5 major European leagues but has come up considerably and it will improve even further thanks to the players who choose to go there to end their career,I mean star players from Europe who go there to end their career.

Personally I used to love more the MLS when tons of goals were scored yet lately I have not seen this happening as often as sometime ago.
1978  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: September 15, 2023, 12:41:12 PM
I don’t think it is actually a realistic idea for them to go for the Champions League trophy. They should concentrate on the English Premier League. The sad thing is that they have started the English Premier League season pretty badly. They will have to improve quickly. I don’t want to say that they do not have any chance to win the Champions League. But to be honest it is the truth. They will barely have any chance against the best of the best clubs from all around the world. The main target for them should be to finish in the Champions League sport, in the first four positions again in the English Premier League.
I agree with you, targeting the Champions League trophy seems too excessive for Newcastle, not because they are considered an average team in this tournament but because this is the most difficult competition which several big clubs take a long time to conquer.
It's better for Newcastle to play well in this competition and forget about trophies because that will make them very stressed. The good thing for Newcastle is that they can qualify from the group phase because when they can qualify it means that two teams who are used to this tournament will be eliminated more This start is even a difficult task for Newcastle although not impossible.
Newcastle and Arsenal are the teams from the English Premier League whose performances are most anticipated because they are both quite good locally but this is not a tournament they play in often so their achievements will be very interesting to look forward to.

Newcastle has not been doing that great in the Premier League and that is a clear indication that asking to fight for the trophy for them is not something to be asked about.I would be very happy if they manage to go 1/16 or even if they pass the group stage which they should do as a bare minimum.

Luckily we start next week a new season which will not be interrupted by that World Cup on November which for me made not that much sense and as such we will be seeing a normal season and we will have a clear indication of how good teams are in this upcoming week in the match day one.
1979  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: September 15, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
That is great having  two separate Pots for the prizes,I am pretty sure it is going to be a nice one this year with this new format although every time I had to say something I would always go for 100% Superbru scores for the fact that it is super easy to do.

Nevertheless we should be very careful to the Google Docs form which we will fill every match day here as it is not a small amount the Pot B either which stands for that 30% of 11.000 dollars which should be somewhere more than 3300 dollars in total.
1980  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Let's Discuss Anything About Pragmatic Play Slot Games on: September 15, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
Pragmatic Play is my favorite provider also but bear in mind while I have only managed to get near the max win here (I consider a max win) as I won 9833x out of x10000 max multiplier in FISH EYE slot,the fact is that it took me almost two years to hit the max win in a game that is not directly from them but is in partnership with Reel Kingdom so not easy at all to win it.

They remain the best though for me as before I used to play Play n Go slots and never once in three years have I won the max win there.I now only keep playing their slots as they offer another huge benefit,they let you play with IDR as a currency with a really low bet of 0.01-0.02 dollars as a minimum.
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