Stop making troll posts to raise your post count...
How did you know that I was raising up my post count to go and ask for a loan? just curious, is all. I don't know what your plans are. But the fact you are only posting to raise your post count is painstakingly obvious... |
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Yagshemash!
I also looking for credit. I am pay 7% interest per week.
I take deal, is nice! Note my post now gone, I am censored. Are the forums in fu*king China? Stop making troll posts to raise your post count... |
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It seems like you fail to understand how a forum works.
No, I understand very well how a forum works. I'm just not liking that some morons are trying to put words I didn't say on my mouth and speculating about reasons which don't even exist. And they're only doing it because they don't think it's a problem or don't agree with the solution and don't want people to do what they are free to do, not because they have a better solution for us users who consider this a problem. Don't want to help, get out of the way. And I'm not talking about you  |
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I just have to bump this to bump the exchange rate!
Kim is playing you guys... lol
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Yagshemash!
Please add glorious nation of Kazakhstan for lottery!
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You're not a newbie. You're just a troll who registered almost 1 year ago and came back today for trolling some more and maybe get some free XRP...  |
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The blockchain needs to grow to be able to handle these so-called "spam" transactions that are following the rules of the protocol, even if you disagree with them from a moral/sensibility perspective.
Bitcoin is all about open access and anti-censorship. It is kind of grating to hear people say "these stupid gamblers are ruining BTC, we need to block all SD transactions!!". Go somewhere else to create your own anti-spam/anti-gambling currency. Oh and in case you are wondering, I have never used any BTC gambling site. But I believe no one should have the power to control how one utilizes his or her resources.
you're arguing that your computer resources should be used to relay gambling/spam/drug dealing/whatever activities you don't agree with just because it's "censorship" Bitcointalk user 100x is hereby sentenced to run a Tor exit node without his approval, given that it's not a problem for him to relay stuff and it could be seen as censhorship by closed minded persons as, well, 100x. No, your analogy would be better if I was already running a Tor exit node, and you were recommending that I block traffic to certain sites (which would be impossible, due to encryption at each step, if I recall properly). But I'm not recommending anyone to do anything. I'm showing them they have the option, and it's something which is very possible to do. The only persons trying to convince anyone of their "righteous" view points are you guys who don't agree with this hack. I know you guys would prefer a SD/BTC doomsday thread where I tried to convince everyone this is the right thing to do, but this one isn't it. I even made a call to action in the thread title for the users who thought SD is blockchain spam, but you guys all flocked here en masse, not really sure why, if the message wasn't intended for you... |
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You are working to break that part of bitcoin. Are miners doing the same when they ignore transactions because it will cost them money or its not worth it? Bitcoin is a market as well as a currency and a network. If a part of the market says, "I choose not to consent to the use of my time and resources in these kinds of transactions", why should anyone care? Ignoring transactions because they do contain or do not contain fees is part of the free market. I am talking about SPECIFICALLY dropping transactions from a specific person REGARDLESS OF FEES. It's free market also. |
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Well, I'm seeing that you guys aren't really interested in transparency and accountability. It makes no difference to me, I know that I won't be taken in by scams and poor products even if the moderators are pushing them and suppressing criticism. If you want I can show you a pic of my sexual organ.
Financial interests I only reveal to my accountant. It's none of your business.
Psy, it's ironic that you would come in here and criticise this idea, since it is actually designed to protect gullible people like yourself. How much did you lose to Pirate again? Ah, he kept 1500 BTC from me, it doesn't mean I lost them. Chump change. I'm still here and not in poverty. Could you say the same if it happened to you? I don't want your protection and never asked for it. And the word is greedy, not gullible. You don't know the spirit in which I deposited the coins with pirate, so, don't speculate... |
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The blockchain needs to grow to be able to handle these so-called "spam" transactions that are following the rules of the protocol, even if you disagree with them from a moral/sensibility perspective.
Bitcoin is all about open access and anti-censorship. It is kind of grating to hear people say "these stupid gamblers are ruining BTC, we need to block all SD transactions!!". Go somewhere else to create your own anti-spam/anti-gambling currency. Oh and in case you are wondering, I have never used any BTC gambling site. But I believe no one should have the power to control how one utilizes his or her resources.
you're arguing that your computer resources should be used to relay gambling/spam/drug dealing/whatever activities you don't agree with just because it's "censorship" Bitcointalk user 100x is hereby sentenced to run a Tor exit node without his approval, given that it's not a problem for him to relay stuff and it could be seen as censhorship by closed minded persons as, well, 100x. |
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Thanks for this. Looks like I'll be learning how to recompile/patch the client on a Linux box. I can't wait to see what I screw up.
That makes 2 of us. Altho I don't expect to screw up anything, just to fail or not  |
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Your choice to block them over any other arbitrary group of transactions, under the false pretense of "avoiding blockchain bloat," is retarded.
Please, moron, quote me on that "avoiding blockchain bloat" pretense i have. Curious to see where I said that... Or just get the confirmation you make things up as you go... And Nemesis, you're a tool... If you have nothing valid to say, get lost. |
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Sure you can do whatever you want, but asking others to do the same is stupid.
For the last time: I'm not asking anyone to do anything. I'm informing. People will have to make up their own minds and act accordingly. Deal with it! If you guys wish to discuss the validity of this solution, there are already threads to do that. This is an informative thread with a solution to a known problem. I agree. You have a right to speak and inform. Others have a right to say why it is a bad idea. I personally will include SD transactions with my miners. If my pool says they will SPECIFICALLY omit them I will leave the pool. If my pool decides to set a fee structure or rules (limits) that reduces them or collects a reasonable free I am fine with that. I understand you. But you, being a miner, are being rewarded for those transactions. Me, being just a regular node and a non-miner, I'm being ripped of my resources with no reward whatsoever. In fact all I have are disadvantages: Higher fees, delayed transactions and resource hogging. Not wanting to hurt them, only wanting them not to hurt me. This doesnt save your HD space, and CPU power.... LOL
You do things stupid and expect to inform others ?
We also have a right to inform others about.... being "informed" by you.
The only stupid things I'm seing here are your replies... No, It doesn't save HD space, and I never said it would. You have the reading skill of a kindergartten baby. I said BANDWIDTH and CPU CYCLES. And yes, those will be saved by not relaying the transactions and by not verifying their signatures. Stop making a fool of yourself, Nemesis... And BTW, take YOUR head out of YOUR ass as it seems to affect your reading, mmmmkay? |
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Sure you can do whatever you want, but asking others to do the same is stupid.
For the last time: I'm not asking anyone to do anything. I'm informing. People will have to make up their own minds and act accordingly. Deal with it! If you guys wish to discuss the validity of this solution, there are already threads to do that. This is an informative thread with a solution to a known problem. |
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This seems pretty pointless. Even if the time goes and you actually manage to make that big number of users to run a modified client
I don't want to make anyone use it. The patch is here. Who wishes to use, go for it. Did I say everyone should use it? No, I just said people who think SD is blockchain spam have a solution here. They are also free to try and bypass the patch by changing the way they do business, but that would mean the patch works as predicted, wouldn't it? Use reward system to fix the problem, not censorship and controlling freak like this.
If the fees are too high for SatoshiDice's TX then they have to change their model.
I don't want to fix SD problem. I want to fix MY problem, and being perfectly aware I'm not special, I would almost bet others have the same problem, hence starying this thread to put the patch in front of everyone, not just miners or whoever is following that other thread. BTW, the control freaks here are you guys who seem to be offended by this thread... |
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So, Jon, will this also happen when a BitcoinStore.com parcel gets lost and insurance doesn't pay?
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I don't know... maybe you want to save 80% of the bandwidth your bitcoin client spends and 80% of the CPU cycles used to verify TX's... I know I do. Don't care about gambling, and don't want to carry out their transactions. It's enough being forced to carry them on my HDD when they get included in a block. Free market, baby. SD is free to spam the blockchain, I'm free to block them from my computer and network and not help them in any way I see fit. BTW, this isn't a war against SD, it only a matter of having the option. If you guys don't like me and everyone else having the option to block TX's we consider spam or prejudicial, who's trying to censor who after all? |
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As per my request, Gmaxwell wrote a patch to apply to the Bitcoin client that will drop all transactions to SatoshiDice and simply not relay or verify them. It will also drop all transactions that are less than 10,000 satoshis in value, so you might want to change that value to 1 or 2 satoshis, to only drop SD's losing bets tx's. Let's show them how the free market works and that not only miners have a say on this subject! diff --git a/src/main.cpp b/src/main.cpp
index 9a06dbf..d3fba73 100644
--- a/src/main.cpp
+++ b/src/main.cpp
@@ -384,8 +384,16 @@ bool CTransaction::IsStandard() const
BOOST_FOREACH(const CTxOut& txout, vout) {
if (!::IsStandard(txout.scriptPubKey))
return false;
+ if (txout.scriptPubKey.size() > 6
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[0] == OP_DUP
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[3] == 0x06
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[4] == 0xf1
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[5] == 0xb6)
+ return error("CTransaction::IsStandard : ignoring transaction with 1dice output");
if (txout.nValue == 0)
- return false;
+ return error("CTransaction::IsStandard : ignoring transaction with 0 value output");
+ if (txout.nValue <= 10000)
+ return error("CTransaction::IsStandard : ignoring transaction with dust output");
}
return true;
}
You may not be interested in the if (txout.nValue <= 10000) test, though it also gets the dice you-lost transactions and other UXTO set bloating flood. This will make the node not relay or mine these transactions. It will, of course, still accept them in blocks. If you are a miner you may wish to use Luke-jr's patch that may be found here and is more complete and probably not as radical as the one above by Gmaxwell: http://codepad.org/7RQZIkhd |
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Is that what I asked?
If so, can I send the 1 BTC to the address on your sig or do you prefer to PM me a new address?
That rule you mentioned, it drops all tx's which are less than 10k satoshis, right?
It is. It blocks all txn that pay to 1dice addresses or which create outputs with equal to or less than 10k satoshis. Your node will fetch them and then drop them without further validation. It will not relay them to other nodes or attempt to mine them... but will accept blocks that have them. And sure, you can pay to the address in my sig... or if you like send me a PM and I'll give you a fresh address to pay. 1 BTC sent. Thanks! Now let's put the free market at work |
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diff --git a/src/main.cpp b/src/main.cpp
index 9a06dbf..d3fba73 100644
--- a/src/main.cpp
+++ b/src/main.cpp
@@ -384,8 +384,16 @@ bool CTransaction::IsStandard() const
BOOST_FOREACH(const CTxOut& txout, vout) {
if (!::IsStandard(txout.scriptPubKey))
return false;
+ if (txout.scriptPubKey.size() > 6
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[0] == OP_DUP
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[3] == 0x06
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[4] == 0xf1
+ && txout.scriptPubKey[5] == 0xb6)
+ return error("CTransaction::IsStandard : ignoring transaction with 1dice output");
if (txout.nValue == 0)
- return false;
+ return error("CTransaction::IsStandard : ignoring transaction with 0 value output");
+ if (txout.nValue <= 10000)
+ return error("CTransaction::IsStandard : ignoring transaction with dust output");
}
return true;
}
You may not be interested in the if (txout.nValue <= 10000) test, though it also gets the dice you-lost transactions and other UXTO set bloating flood. This will make the node not relay or mine these transactions. It will, of course, still accept them in blocks. Is that what I asked? If so, can I send the 1 BTC to the address on your sig or do you prefer to PM me a new address? That rule you mentioned, it drops all tx's which are less than 10k satoshis, right? |
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1. Will there be any fees when round-tripping coins through SR ?
2. What's the maximum safe amount to round-trip in one batch ?
Thanx
1- I don't think there are any fees going in or out of SR, but I may be mistaken. 2- Well, I would say SR is probably the only anonymously owned website in which you can still have a little of trust. Take note I said a little trust, as in BTC land trusting someone you know nothing about, or even trusting someone you know everything about, can get you in troubles  |
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