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141  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Sweep/import private key feature request on: December 22, 2011, 06:42:21 PM
Isn't a radix hash index O(1), or constant with respect to chain size? The performance look-up penalty is the number of instances of a single address, not the total number of addresses nor blocks.
142  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 22, 2011, 06:16:46 PM
AFAIK,
1/2/2012 is the 2nd of January, but
1.2.2012 is the 1st of February.
Can you bring an example of a country, where 1/2/2012 means the 1st of February?


1/2/2012 is 2 January in the United States and 1 February in Europe, Latin America, Middle East, though everyone should be confused.

1.2.2012 would be 1 February most everywhere, though North Americans might be confused.

I have never come across mm.dd.yyyy anywhere in the world. Generally it is only the United States (and its minor influence in Philippines, Saudi Arabia, and Canada) that uses a dyslexic (mixed endian) system, where the /-slash is near universally used.

Europe, Mid East, Latin America and some of Asia use little endian, with just about any delimiter (., /, -, 年, 月) though big endian is more common in Asia. Only a four digit year would clarify the order.

I've seen some mixed delimiters, such as 22/12-2011, in Germany and nordic countries, or roman numeral months in central Europe, but it is always little endian, unless the delimiter glyph represent the month, year, such as in Chinese 2011年12月22日.

Generally, the / is completely ambiguous and should be avoided. Both . and - denote little endian or big endian and should contain a four digit year. I personally suggest big endian, four digit year, and abbreviated month for least ambiguity and maximum clarity, such as 2011-DEC-22.
143  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 22, 2011, 05:15:02 PM
It's become blatantly obvious that very few, if any, have truly understood my arguments, and even more obvious that people continue to infer emotional or rational content that was completely absent from what I actually said.

Dear The Joint,

I have understood your arguments in so far as I believe you answered my questions honestly. The facts have been laid out. It is now a matter of opinion. By now, you must realize that irrespective of your conviction, the majority disagrees not with the facts, but with their implications. You have entered the realm of philosophy and morals. At the moment your morals and fitness for society are being seriously questioned by your peers.

Your ignorance of international standards and common norms does not justify your position.

Perhaps your are a foreigner in the culture of the internet or a child who has not yet received the rites of passage into adulthood. May this thread be the slap in your face. Be a man. Accept defeat. Learn your lessons. Join the community of seemingly irrational norms. And be thankful for your peers. The onus is on you to learn and adapt, not to change your social environment.

Sincerely,
Netrin
144  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 22, 2011, 06:51:30 AM
Actually, I try to use nature as a foundation for all of my assumptions and beliefs.  Upon what...or who...do you formulate your beliefs?

Every domain requires different tools. I've studied comp sci and physics, yet I apply few of their logical lessons to human interaction.



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I think we do question whether that change would have altered your vote at the time you made the vote, two weeks before the event. Had you known at the time of your vote that it would be roughly six hours in advance, would you have changed your vote (or your location)?

I would likely not have chosen to alter my vote, but that's irrelevant.  If in fact I did have an opportunity to alter my vote (and apparently I did), then this is the reason why the game was statistically altered.  The simple opportunity to change my vote, in addition to the rule change and the first-guesser-wins rule, prohibited me from choosing the selected winning answer.  Goat guessed dec. 20th GMT.  Thus, I could not change my vote to dec. 20th GMT as it would have been instantly nullified.

To clarify, because I do not think it is irrelevant for your own conscience, would you have voted 20 rather than 19 December at the time you originally made the vote if you had known at the time, two weeks before the event, that not relative but universal coordinated time would be applied?
145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anarcho-Capitalist Dubstep on: December 22, 2011, 05:52:10 AM
Anarcho-Christmas Dubstep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKoxLxzWNOk
146  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 22, 2011, 05:09:52 AM
Perhaps Parimutuel betting, weighted by bet time before the event. That way multiple people place a wager on the same dates, increasing the winning pool to the advantage of the earlier betters.

ISO isn't difficult for both humans and computers to parse. I should think the following would suffice:

netrin: 2011-12-31

147  Economy / Speculation / Re: This chart illustrates why this is III and not a 3-3-5 on: December 22, 2011, 05:03:12 AM
The 5th major wave down was truncated - ended Nov 18.
Now we are in an upward correction, which should take us above the low on Aug 6 ($5.75)

Am I crazy?

I think it's a reasonable view. But then I'm very curious how you are counting the waves since November.
148  Economy / Economics / Re: Elliott Wave Analysis on: December 22, 2011, 04:46:11 AM
The chart above is still valid.

In all honesty, it's been an ugly count going up. I don't see a better count than the one I created ten days ago. The drop (14 Dec, $3) invalidates my green count, but I don't have an alternate to replace it.

It's tempting to label the drop from (20 Dec, $4.5) through today as a green '4', but that would make '1' three waves. Green '3' would be extended since (11 Dec, $3) with the same invalidation (14 Dec, $3), but imply another rally up without first crossing below $3. I really don't know.


149  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 22, 2011, 04:15:39 AM
1325972242

Sorry Tvbcof, 2012-01-07 21:37:22 is already taken:

January 7th, 2012

January 8th, 2012.
150  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 22, 2011, 04:08:16 AM
2012-01-06 is *unambiguously* the 6th of January. Please don't muddy the waters by implying this format is ambiguous. It's not. Nowhere does it mean june 1.

You would think, but I would recommend using ISO 8601 as you have, but spelling out or abbreviating the month. 2012-JAN-06 is truly unambiguous, or at least less ambiguous. One should be on guard against what those living in the center of the Universe are capable of assuming.
151  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 22, 2011, 03:55:47 AM
I am pleased you took the time to answer my questions honestly.

Please tell me why I, a U.S. citizen, who because of having ready internet access should be one of the most likely people to know what UTC means, had never even heard of UTC until this game?

I suppose we can not assume that just because you are a student of higher education in one of the wealthiest and presumably educated nations in the world, that you are both worldly and educated. If you were not previously aware that there was a universal coordinated time, now you know.


What's more ridiculous is that people keep shrieking on about "UTC!  You should have assumed UTC!"  when the game itself didn't even assume UTC, even after the rule change.

Are you distinguishing GMT from UTC? For all practical purposes, they are the same. If the spike up to four US dollars had occurred during a rare leap second then perhaps this ambiguity could have been argued further, but the distinction between GMT and UTC is entirely irrelevant in your case.


I assumed all time zones because I assumed that each guess was made according to whatever timezone the player uses.

Was this assumption made at the time of your vote or after you determined you may have won? If the assumption was made at the time of the vote, did you not suspect there might be ambiguity and that it would be prudent to ask for a clarification?


there is only 1 set of rules.  A good rule structure both (1) distributes evenly to all players and (2) takes into account individual circumstance. The laws of the universe certainly act this way (gravity and light, anyone?).

So, there should be one set of rules, but those rules should also be relative to each player? Can you cite another game with similarly good rules? In Goat's universe, you did not win, but in your universe you did win, or are you suggesting that the rules of the game should have been as robust as those codified in Einstein's general theory of relativity?


According to my assumption, each person makes a guess according to their individual timezone

And you honestly believed that every player would have been queried for his individual timezone? I think this is the first point that is shocking to most everyone here. You truly believed this at the time of your vote?


I'm not even going to explain again why the rule change completely affected the statistical nature of the game, which is a separate issue.

No, I think most would agree that if the rules changed after you voted, that would be unfair.

I think we do question whether that change would have altered your vote at the time you made the vote, two weeks before the event. Had you known at the time of your vote that it would be roughly six hours in advance, would you have changed your vote (or your location)?

More importantly, we question that the rules changed at all, rather than simply being clarified several hours later.

While some might have assumed either UTC or Old_engineer's own local timezone, I doubt ANYONE but you assumed relative time.


In any case, neither of your 2 points represent any "delusion" that "seduced" me.

I agree. I believe your unique delusion conveniently seduced you after the fact.


Yes, I assumed $4 represented 4 US dollars.  Didn't many people?

Yes. Exactly. There are innumerable things that must be assumed in human discourse. We are also usually free to ask questions.


I didn't know $ was used to denote yen or some other currency.

The $ symbol does not denote yen, but it does denote many dollars, pesos, and other currencies used by dozens of countries around the world. Now you know.


my assumption of local time zone (which is MUCH different from assuming US central time).

I agree that numerous relative local time zones, rather than singularly assuming US central time is very different. You caught me making an assumption about your argument. It's very interesting. Fascinating. It would never have occurred to me that one could make this assumption. I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.

Yet your unusual assumptions do not trump the common assumptions of the majority nor the game creator. It's typically called 'the smell test'. And you failed.

152  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 22, 2011, 02:59:52 AM
I vote 2011-12-31, the last day of this year.

Here are the votes I've counted thus far:
Code:
22 dec
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31 netrin
1 jan
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
13
15
16
18
20
22
30

4 feb
17 feb

27 april

3 may
10 may
153  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 22, 2011, 02:42:32 AM
2.)  It is equally ignorant/offensive to assume that someone should use GMT or UTC simply because x number of people believe it is the most-common point of reference.

While UTC is the only Universal Coordinated Time, it is true that there are numerous other possible and asinine assumptions one could have made. But either (1) you assumed without question that your own timezone rather than at least 24 other possibilities was the official definitive zone, or (2) you believed that there would be at least 24 different potential sets of rules subject to each individual player's location. Please, which delusion seduced you, or is there some third assumption?

I'm curious, since it was not specifically articulated: did you assume that $4 represented four US dollars?

Why is that? Because you live in the United States? What about Canadians? Could they have assumed Canadian dollars without question? Mexicans might have assumed four pesos, as they too use the $ sign. I'm sure our Australian, central American, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwanese friends were equally baffled.
154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I need a design of bitcoin flag for demonstrations in Russia on: December 22, 2011, 02:10:19 AM
Could you tell us what the demonstration is protesting or supporting?

There seems to be unanimous support for the latin phrase "Vis in Numeris" (trust in numbers) which has at least two excellent allusions (1) strong mathematics and (2) people power. If it carries the same message, perhaps you could translate that into Russian:

Доверие номера
B i t c o i n
155  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Pulling patches for version 0.6 on: December 21, 2011, 07:33:26 PM
Great. Thanks Gavin. 0.6 has exciting additions I look forward to testing between the holidays.
156  Economy / Speculation / Re: 12 million ppl will hear about bitcoin very soon on: December 21, 2011, 07:28:18 PM
He's going to be the most well hidden billionaire (trillionaire) in the history of the world. I think they ought be careful.
157  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 21, 2011, 07:11:45 PM
I would like to remind OldEngineer that where I live, the first day of the year is determined by the first break of sun above the horizon after the year's longest night. That can be wildly different depending on one's latitude, altitude above southern mountains, etc. So, for example, it is now the 97th hour of 17 December, when the sun last rose just a pin hole of light above the small mountain to my south. My neighbor has a nice view of the Labrador Sea and she saw the sun rise on 18 December. None the less, OldEngineer, you should have considered my specific location and circumstances when formulating your fun game.
158  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5 Mt. Gox price contest! 2BTC on: December 21, 2011, 06:58:36 PM
12.10.11 00:00-2500
159  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 21, 2011, 06:49:44 PM
Dear Serge, Crypt_Current, and Zhoutong,

I commend you for your generosity, but you've perfectly demonstrated 'moral hazard'. Now any immature poor loser will see a profitable incentive to whine in the future. If you don't want the pigeons shitting on your head, stop feeding them.


I've sent you 1BTC, Marry Christmas dude!  i don't believe OE is in a wrong here as painted in the OP subject, he did best he could to be fair to everyone; didn't solicit for payments to run away, nothing to fight over really, it was just a fun game.


I live in Hellanois too.  We're probably the only two people in this state that know what Bitcoin is (hyperbole is fun).
..
In the interest of the spirit of the season and global good will and a nod to locality, I donate thee 1 BTC.
...


Welcome to Bitcoinica! I will send you the f**king 5 BTC to your account for you to start trading. You made a pretty great guess!
...

160  Other / Off-topic / Re: I Think I Got Screwed out of 5 BTC on: December 21, 2011, 06:14:11 PM
Well not unless our Cassandra actually *knew* the price action down to the hour. Other's were guessing, but as always our Cassandra got shafted because no one (except Zhou) believes her.
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