Well ... it's Monday and no payments made yet from Antpool?
Earnings are sure taking a dive: 59/44/40 and then 28BTM yesterday.
Obviously more units coming online ...
A lot more units came online. http://miningpoolstats.stream/bytomIt shows 13000 plus now, but last night when I checked there were over 15000. This most likely means that they unplugged some to ship out. Since they haven't announced a 3rd batch, it could also mean that these are ones they are shipping to Large mining farms. Now, if Bitmain will kill earnings on a coin they are partnered with, can there be any doubt what they will do with other coins? and just how many machines they will manufacture for other algos? I think those are new units that were being tested. The bytom per day has dropped alot and price has dropped too. This is not good.... |
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many frequent forks stop all asics dead. hash growth limits stop super farms of gpus. I figure 400,000,000 gpus are out there right now that can mine a coin at a profit. if ½ are big player and ¼ are small players ¼ or 100,000,000 are tiny one or 2 card machines. This is a board broad adoption base to be nurtured not killed off. If you don't believe this you are the type of person that will always be dissatisfied with life and generally always be somewhat annoyed and unhappy.So anyone reading above and feeling pissed off about that sentence I just wrote in bold I am talking to you.  I know that sentence will anger quite a few people that want an asic takeover of all coins. My gut tells me asic manufacturers will come up with a cheap FPGA instead if this persist. GPU miners need to do some soundproofing and they can run asics actually. Just my 2 cents. mining asics are not the issue... have plenty of asics but none that will mine and kill off gpu algos There is no way there will be 100,000,000 or more individual asic miners. Since the chip can only mine. You simply refused to talk that you want to kill off 100,000,000 possible gpu miners and replace 100,000 or less asic miners. You refuse to talk about 2017 the best year in cryptocoins history being driven by gpus, And you don.t mention the loss of quality gpu warranty service being replaced by shit asic warranties I disagree. All they need is one programmable asic aka FPGA and gpu is dead. No more forking will occur because the FPGA will just program itself. When no more forks occur, new asics can be created to target individual algo. The FPGA is insurance in case algos fork. Another way is drop E3 price back to 800 USD. Gpu dies then lol. I am not refusing anything. GPU mining may have surprisingly better than asics for 2017. But owning the coin wins all actually because difficulty climbs too much. U make more by owning the underlying gpu coin as well, in general. The ball to destroy GPU is in asic manufacturers court. They want to or they dont want to only. Keep that thought. BTW I am now down to 16x 1080ti and asic for LTC and BTC It is not that asics can win or lose if mining becomes all asic or asic + asic /fpga this industry will eat its own self alive. It needs the broad base of gpus in smaller setups. As you still refuse to see that 100,000,000 small guys getting a piece of the pie is why 2017 was a record year. Asics only or fpga/asics will kill it. And I can guarantee amd or nvidia backers will create a new way to earn that shuts out asics and fpga miners. They simply don't want to lose the sales. I have a viable ideas that will stop any big miner. Ie my new coin is nvidia gpu coin you can only send 1 miner capped at say 650sols or like 1x 1080ti So the benefit of a 10000 sol asic is worthless as it needs to clock to 650 sols. the asic = worthless the fpga = worthless. in fact a new coin such as gpuZcash can use the asic al-gore-rythm of equihash but on the blockchain limit the block winners to 700 sols. of hash so you 10000 sol asic has to downclock to 700 sols not a brick but fucked none the less. btw at zcash founders you could do this with zcash. and it would work. pools would need more servers since more workers would be used. program your pos asics of fpga's then just down clock them to 7 percent so the 10000 sols drops to 700 sols and it saves some watts maybe you do 50- 100 watts, but it does not look that good anymore. so asic resistance is easy. Lets try again. there are two fully mature asic al-gore-rhythms scrypt and sha 256 some al-gore-rhythms are taking on asics and resisting some figure we should go asic. I am fine with this. I am not fine with gpus being fully knocked out of the game. Here is why: 1 every year gpus sucked to mine since 2014 crypto-coins had bad times. but when gpus were good to mine crypto-coins has good times. 2 only avalon has a long asic warranty 3 all gpus have at least a 1 year warranty. i dont think asics only is wrong. Bitcoin, bch, litecoin, dash is asics only and it does fine. It didnt affect their coin negatively. The main threat is the bitmain E3 can mine Eth and it can cost as little as 800 USD. If bitmain sold it at 800 USD. it is over gpu. Because eth is 60+ % of gpu mining. GPU being forced out of eth into other coins will kill gpu mining due to super high difficulty. asic resistance and forking is always a gamble SIA coin didnt fork. Etn has issues forking,etc. Anyways, I suspect bitmain is too smart and will get fpga or something if this keeps up. As for Nvidia, they are more interested in AI and datacenters, and self driving tech,etc. They had so much time and cant come up with a better gpu miner. Bitmain and others have done so. The price is not $800 anymore. Last I checked it was like $2000. Keep in mind this. If they were willing to sell at $800, imagine how cheap it was for them to produce them in the first place. Cost to manufacture was maybe $200-$400 or so. Since it's so cheap and uses little power. They can have millions of them mining in some private farm somewhere. Exactly. They can sell it at 800 usd if they wanted to and there is profit built in it. They just decided not to. Look at how cheap L3+ once was, 450 USD. Last year it was as high as 2k usd. And usually around 1.3k-1.6k usd. They can possible sell E3 for 500-600 USD if they wanted to and skyrocket eth difficulty. But they are going for high margin profits on the E3 at the moment it seems. |
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many frequent forks stop all asics dead. hash growth limits stop super farms of gpus. I figure 400,000,000 gpus are out there right now that can mine a coin at a profit. if ½ are big player and ¼ are small players ¼ or 100,000,000 are tiny one or 2 card machines. This is a board broad adoption base to be nurtured not killed off. If you don't believe this you are the type of person that will always be dissatisfied with life and generally always be somewhat annoyed and unhappy.So anyone reading above and feeling pissed off about that sentence I just wrote in bold I am talking to you. I know that sentence will anger quite a few people that want an asic takeover of all coins. My gut tells me asic manufacturers will come up with a cheap FPGA instead if this persist. GPU miners need to do some soundproofing and they can run asics actually. Just my 2 cents. mining asics are not the issue... have plenty of asics but none that will mine and kill off gpu algos There is no way there will be 100,000,000 or more individual asic miners. Since the chip can only mine. You simply refused to talk that you want to kill off 100,000,000 possible gpu miners and replace 100,000 or less asic miners. You refuse to talk about 2017 the best year in cryptocoins history being driven by gpus, And you don.t mention the loss of quality gpu warranty service being replaced by shit asic warranties I disagree. All they need is one programmable asic aka FPGA and gpu is dead. No more forking will occur because the FPGA will just program itself. When no more forks occur, new asics can be created to target individual algo. The FPGA is insurance in case algos fork. Another way is drop E3 price back to 800 USD. Gpu dies then lol. I am not refusing anything. GPU mining may have surprisingly better than asics for 2017. But owning the coin wins all actually because difficulty climbs too much. U make more by owning the underlying gpu coin as well, in general. The ball to destroy GPU is in asic manufacturers court. They want to or they dont want to only. Keep that thought. BTW I am now down to 16x 1080ti and asic for LTC and BTC It is not that asics can win or lose if mining becomes all asic or asic + asic /fpga this industry will eat its own self alive. It needs the broad base of gpus in smaller setups. As you still refuse to see that 100,000,000 small guys getting a piece of the pie is why 2017 was a record year. Asics only or fpga/asics will kill it. And I can guarantee amd or nvidia backers will create a new way to earn that shuts out asics and fpga miners. They simply don't want to lose the sales. I have a viable ideas that will stop any big miner. Ie my new coin is nvidia gpu coin you can only send 1 miner capped at say 650sols or like 1x 1080ti So the benefit of a 10000 sol asic is worthless as it needs to clock to 650 sols. the asic = worthless the fpga = worthless. in fact a new coin such as gpuZcash can use the asic al-gore-rythm of equihash but on the blockchain limit the block winners to 700 sols. of hash so you 10000 sol asic has to downclock to 700 sols not a brick but fucked none the less. btw at zcash founders you could do this with zcash. and it would work. pools would need more servers since more workers would be used. program your pos asics of fpga's then just down clock them to 7 percent so the 10000 sols drops to 700 sols and it saves some watts maybe you do 50- 100 watts, but it does not look that good anymore. so asic resistance is easy. Lets try again. there are two fully mature asic al-gore-rhythms scrypt and sha 256 some al-gore-rhythms are taking on asics and resisting some figure we should go asic. I am fine with this. I am not fine with gpus being fully knocked out of the game. Here is why: 1 every year gpus sucked to mine since 2014 crypto-coins had bad times. but when gpus were good to mine crypto-coins has good times. 2 only avalon has a long asic warranty 3 all gpus have at least a 1 year warranty. i dont think asics only is wrong. Bitcoin, bch, litecoin, dash is asics only and it does fine. It didnt affect their coin negatively. The main threat is the bitmain E3 can mine Eth and it can cost as little as 800 USD. If bitmain sold it at 800 USD. it is over gpu. Because eth is 60+ % of gpu mining. GPU being forced out of eth into other coins will kill gpu mining due to super high difficulty. asic resistance and forking is always a gamble SIA coin didnt fork. Etn has issues forking,etc. Anyways, I suspect bitmain is too smart and will get fpga or something if this keeps up. As for Nvidia, they are more interested in AI and datacenters, and self driving tech,etc. They had so much time and cant come up with a better gpu miner. Bitmain and others have done so. |
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many frequent forks stop all asics dead. hash growth limits stop super farms of gpus. I figure 400,000,000 gpus are out there right now that can mine a coin at a profit. if ½ are big player and ¼ are small players ¼ or 100,000,000 are tiny one or 2 card machines. This is a board broad adoption base to be nurtured not killed off. If you don't believe this you are the type of person that will always be dissatisfied with life and generally always be somewhat annoyed and unhappy.So anyone reading above and feeling pissed off about that sentence I just wrote in bold I am talking to you. I know that sentence will anger quite a few people that want an asic takeover of all coins. My gut tells me asic manufacturers will come up with a cheap FPGA instead if this persist. GPU miners need to do some soundproofing and they can run asics actually. Just my 2 cents. mining asics are not the issue... have plenty of asics but none that will mine and kill off gpu algos There is no way there will be 100,000,000 or more individual asic miners. Since the chip can only mine. You simply refused to talk that you want to kill off 100,000,000 possible gpu miners and replace 100,000 or less asic miners. You refuse to talk about 2017 the best year in cryptocoins history being driven by gpus, And you don.t mention the loss of quality gpu warranty service being replaced by shit asic warranties I disagree. All they need is one programmable asic aka FPGA and gpu is dead. No more forking will occur because the FPGA will just program itself. When no more forks occur, new asics can be created to target individual algo. The FPGA is insurance in case algos fork. Another way is drop E3 price back to 800 USD. Gpu dies then lol. I am not refusing anything. GPU mining may have surprisingly better than asics for 2017. But owning the coin wins all actually because difficulty climbs too much. U make more by owning the underlying gpu coin as well, in general. The ball to destroy GPU is in asic manufacturers court. They want to or they dont want to only. |
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many frequent forks stop all asics dead. hash growth limits stop super farms of gpus. I figure 400,000,000 gpus are out there right now that can mine a coin at a profit. if ½ are big player and ¼ are small players ¼ or 100,000,000 are tiny one or 2 card machines. This is a board broad adoption base to be nurtured not killed off. If you don't believe this you are the type of person that will always be dissatisfied with life and generally always be somewhat annoyed and unhappy.So anyone reading above and feeling pissed off about that sentence I just wrote in bold I am talking to you. I know that sentence will anger quite a few people that want an asic takeover of all coins. My gut tells me asic manufacturers will come up with a cheap FPGA instead if this persist. GPU miners need to do some soundproofing and they can run asics actually. Just my 2 cents. they will bu fpga by design can never be as power as a dedicated asic chip designed for a single purpose which in turn limits the hashrate they can muster by a large factor. Remeber fpgas needs alot of ram as welll as generic programable chips with multiple pathways yes and there are asic manufacturers that I believe am able to do that. If forking continues, they may try this. |
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Whenever I need a good laugh I come to this thread!  Ya same here. Im laughing my way to the bank at $30 dollars a day mining with my X3. Hope dem 10 series nvidia treating you guys well also. Lol Laughing happily? Yep I am laughing at the gpu miners, 1070ti or 1080 ti earning less than $2 bucks a day, x3 earning $30 a day on shitcoins. Time for you gpu miners to step up your game and give up your toys back to gamers and grow some. GPU is getting less profitable each day as it has hit mainstream adoption therefore it has no edge anymore. Its providing only basic low skilled service to the blockchain. This ain't 2017 anymore where a single 1070 gtx can earn you 10k. The competition bar has grown exponentially into 2018. Once etn forks, marketcap will shrink alot though. Bare that in mind. Less $$$ |
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many frequent forks stop all asics dead. hash growth limits stop super farms of gpus. I figure 400,000,000 gpus are out there right now that can mine a coin at a profit. if ½ are big player and ¼ are small players ¼ or 100,000,000 are tiny one or 2 card machines. This is a board broad adoption base to be nurtured not killed off. If you don't believe this you are the type of person that will always be dissatisfied with life and generally always be somewhat annoyed and unhappy.So anyone reading above and feeling pissed off about that sentence I just wrote in bold I am talking to you. I know that sentence will anger quite a few people that want an asic takeover of all coins. My gut tells me asic manufacturers will come up with a cheap FPGA instead if this persist. GPU miners need to do some soundproofing and they can run asics actually. Just my 2 cents. |
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Whenever I need a good laugh I come to this thread! Ya same here. Im laughing my way to the bank at $30 dollars a day mining with my X3. Hope dem 10 series nvidia treating you guys well also. Lol Laughing happily? |
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Try and ROI fast guys. Once ETN forks, all the difficulty will be centered around the smaller coins left behind.
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Even if he does agree it won’t be until late this year in all likelihood.
On what basis? This is something that can be done pretty fast. It is basically a gamble at this point. Network hashrate will increase too. |
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And my Miners are officially not profitable anymore -21 cents per day on 4 machines. Let see what the next weeks bring, maybe I turn them off if the price drops further or diff keeps climbing like that. And yes, I also believe we should face that L4 is real and hashing. I fully believe humanity is stupid in general, but I doubt we find that many idiots buying L3++ in the last couple of weeks, that we can rule out the existence of L4 and blame diff increase on them... We cannot force people to stop buying roster from bitmain, some people out there have different mindset from ours Also bitmain will keep "playing" with the unit price There is no shortcut for income, and mining with asic is a very very risky business especially for small miner Of course, I am also crying on a first world problem lol My miners are from Batch 2/3 from last year. They paid off in crypto long time ago, but whatever mindset people have, even in the last 2 weeks or 4 weeks, calculators were showing 1year + ROI or something. Who would buy if you risk running over MC=MR I doubt people with enough money to buy big are that careless with their moeny From what I notice, people dont make rational choices when it comes to mining. Not sure why. If I knew this long ago, I would not have purchased anything from around october onwards last year. |
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If this listing is legit, it seems the S11 will have the same number of chips as the current S9 and they even managed to push more hash (almost 2x of a 13TH S9) out of the BM1387 chips that power the current S9s with the miners running more efficiently at the same time. Quite impressive if these specs are actually real. For those interested in taking a look at this purported S11 on Alibaba, here it is. To add, these people did not have pre-orders for other machines such as the E3,Z9, B3, etc. They dont seem to have inside information on other machines but they have it on S11 lol. Also the BM1387 is the T9/S9 chip lol. It is possible that there is an S11 but if bitmain release an S11 now, alot of people will be pissed. They dont have any real competitors right now for bitcoin anyways. S9 pricing is too good to pass up against competitors. No reason to release an S11.
Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to remove a nested quote. |
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There are alot more used GPUs on amazon these days if u notice. There is just too much mining difficulty everywhere these days.
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bitmain is using cheap electricity a 1GH for 500w not enough powerful, I'm sure it is 5GH or above for 1600w this is how they managed to increase the difficulty. Diff on LTC now 9758801.1623634
Is not worth the invest right now, stop buying L3+ guys, now you get less than 2 usd daily in proffit, and it will be lower, it was 20 usd only 5 months ago, in 3 months you will pay
more for electricity than you mine.
Stop buying L3+ , lets give Bitman a lesson, they need to stop building this like toasters.
They are not, they are probably deploying their 16nm scrypt chips to their data centers now, any L3+ for sale are probably their old units they are swapping out. We will probably be seeing their 1GH 500 watt miner for 2k USD by june for sale, after they have ROIed their own stuff of course. It is just lower priced miners. This creates huge sales of miners and major difficulty increase. I mention this a number of pages back already. My worry is that L3+ is on 28nm. If a l4+ 16m appears, it will wipe out the L3+ because it should be 3 times stronger. I hope they dont appear as there is no real viable competitor to L3+. Innosilicons is only 20% more efficient but cost too much more and is already on 14/16nm. So, the L3+ leads the market. ALL evidence suggests that not only is the "L4 a reality, but it is already hashing away in China on a large scale. The S11 as well. Folks better wake up. It's not like Bitmain didn't severely telegraph this upcoming release of new tech. What evidence? |
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And my Miners are officially not profitable anymore -21 cents per day on 4 machines. Let see what the next weeks bring, maybe I turn them off if the price drops further or diff keeps climbing like that. And yes, I also believe we should face that L4 is real and hashing. I fully believe humanity is stupid in general, but I doubt we find that many idiots buying L3++ in the last couple of weeks, that we can rule out the existence of L4 and blame diff increase on them... Difficulty always rises, even if coin dont rise, coin stagnates or falls lol. |
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Plenty of other coins, and coins to come this machine will be useful for. Gotta love the people trying to say its a brick when its not. Neither is the CN or ETH miners. ...
The 20kH/s Giant N CN ASIC now only brings in about $3US per day... Can't really say it is profitable until the capital cost is paid back, and at this rate that will be around 2 years from now if you got in on the first batch at $1900US each. Agreed 20Kh/s was not interested from the begging. They suppose to release N+ with 40 Kh/s but still not even close to 220 Kh/s from Bitmain. True, the Baikal miner proved to be a rather poor choice based on price vs. hashrate, but even the 220kH/s Bitmain CN ASIC only brings in about $30US per day as of right now, so it will take 400 days to pay off the capital cost if nothing else changes. And of course, the one thing you can count on in crypto is change. Regardless, what I am really driving at here is that if the biggest hashrate coin on an algo forks to block ASICs, such as Monero did with CryptoNight, then the difficulty rise on the remaining coins makes mining them much less attractive. Baikal sells 1 + 4 ASIC's for 3600$, so you get 5 Baikals N+ with 40 Kh/s on Cryptonight (old) for price 1 device. Still not interesting.. Another news I read today. Netherlands exchange discard Bitcoin Cash because of May 15th fork. Weird... This is equihash, not cryptonight. |
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I have try on A3 but use a different PIC and I get:
root@antMiner_A3:/config# ./set_voltage 1 90
version = 0xff
Wrong PIC version
Is it possible update the code in order to support A3 PIC ?
thx
Ill check the A3 and see if I can get it to work, S9 uses completely proprietary stuff on hardware and software level now so without reverse engineering it wont be possible. Im pretty sure the S9 already does auto voltage tuning anyway. I see. Thanks for info. |
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bitmain is using cheap electricity a 1GH for 500w not enough powerful, I'm sure it is 5GH or above for 1600w this is how they managed to increase the difficulty. Diff on LTC now 9758801.1623634
Is not worth the invest right now, stop buying L3+ guys, now you get less than 2 usd daily in proffit, and it will be lower, it was 20 usd only 5 months ago, in 3 months you will pay
more for electricity than you mine.
Stop buying L3+ , lets give Bitman a lesson, they need to stop building this like toasters.
They are not, they are probably deploying their 16nm scrypt chips to their data centers now, any L3+ for sale are probably their old units they are swapping out. We will probably be seeing their 1GH 500 watt miner for 2k USD by june for sale, after they have ROIed their own stuff of course. It is just lower priced miners. This creates huge sales of miners and major difficulty increase. I mention this a number of pages back already. My worry is that L3+ is on 28nm. If a l4+ 16m appears, it will wipe out the L3+ because it should be 3 times stronger. I hope they dont appear as there is no real viable competitor to L3+. Innosilicons is only 20% more efficient but cost too much more and is already on 14/16nm. So, the L3+ leads the market. |
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Nope, 4 separate payments now. All still "paying"..
A friend of mine opened a ticket regarding the payouts, Bitmain rep said they are working on it and payment should start from on or after Monday, May 14. I see. Thanks for info. |
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Looks like this is a good earner, but question remains. Has Antpool actually paid you guys out yet?
Nope... Me either. 2 payments (3 soon) still in "paying" status for days. I did make 58 BTM yesterday which is a little better than others have reported, but I sure wish Antpool would get their crap together... Mine at antpool now still just says paying. Is yours paid? |
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