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1421  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Worst book ever: "Economics in One Lesson"? on: July 14, 2011, 03:14:25 AM
But to be fair, it is nowhere as bad as "Capitalism and Freedom" by Milton Friedman.

This information doesn't surprise me... (and other self-acknowledged ignorant drivel)

I'm very interested in hearing criticism of Milton's book, if either of you wish to post a link, or simply point out any bad arguments or evidence. He strikes me as so logical that an illogical leap pointed out would change my opinion of him quite dramatically (assuming he refused to correct it).

I've read a bit of Keynes, Greenspan, Freedman and Hazlitt, and while each would like to portray themselves as bearers of seemly-obvious previously obscured enlightenment, clearing our eyes of mud and showing us their truth, they all conveniently or from understandable ignorance neglected certain facts and come to dubious conclusion (of which I've only learned from equally brilliant minds or their own retraction). None the less, I've learned a great deal from them all and judge each by the others.

But I too would like to hear from the greater geniuses of this forum, specific critiques of Freedman and Hazlitt.

(Rand's writing style, proving 'fact' through fiction, was more than I could tolerate)
1422  Economy / Speculation / Re: Comparison to Apple (AAPL) shares on: July 14, 2011, 02:38:09 AM
yes at least 60% drop.

My expectation is even  a 90% drop, but I am happy to bet on a 60% drop to start with.

To those who dont believe in deflation that is already underway since late 1999 should look at the DJI measured in gold.

What asset type are we wagering? Fiat currency or stocks? Smiley
1423  Economy / Economics / Re: GOLD to go (gold dispensing ATM in Madrid, Spain) on: July 14, 2011, 02:29:32 AM
Where's the content? I just get links to unrelated videos.

The video loads last. Be patient.
1424  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Currency Symbol ฿ on: July 14, 2011, 02:17:06 AM
Consensus certainly will win regardless of this discussion here. The posted graphics are more for logo/trademark/brand recognition.

Ask any one of those horribly suffering under the overloaded use of $ whether they have heard of the Thai Baht. Ask them to point out where Thailand is. The continent at least.

How is that relevant? Why include ignoramuses in your argument against clarity? Most $-citizens couldn't point a Euro zone country on a map, either. And most people do assume, often incorrectly, that $ means FRN/USD.

Don't under estimate the confusion that peso sign '$' produces and baht '฿' potentially would. You are of course aware that a large fraction of all English and Spanish speaking nations use the peso sign? Because you can point all these nations out on a map perhaps you've traveled to some, such as Australia, New Zealand or most anywhere in the Americas between Canada and Antarctica, maybe you've been confused - particularly in tourist areas? Or perhaps on websites - some of which have localization, other's without, or poorly implemented?

I'm saying the average person in the target audience has no clue and won't mind.

Who is the target audience?
1425  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Patching The Bitcoin Client To Make It More Anonymous on: July 14, 2011, 01:26:14 AM
I hadn't seen it before. It looks neat. I worry about UI complexity though. This is definitely a power user feature.

Well maybe, but I am driven batty by the opacity of the C++ client. Only the destination address is available (even if you double click the transaction). I find all the hidden features make it more complicated to use and understand.

Users don't understand why they should need to backup (again and again). They don't understand why it is not anonymous or how it could be. They don't understand 'copying' a wallet and certainly not the implications. I don't think users are dumb but the client is making them dumb. Even if a user never uses the 'addresses' tab, simply showing them their own addresses might produce an ah-ha moment.


Hey Coderrr, do you think you could release a 32-bit linux build?
1426  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Patching The Bitcoin Client To Make It More Anonymous on: July 13, 2011, 06:06:51 PM
I've repatched my changes onto v0.3.24rc1, see here: https://github.com/coderrr/bitcoin/commit/b32016a314bcbb15c97f14c733a8f49d43c5e8b2

I'll release new builds once the official v0.3.24 is released

I'm surprised this post generated so little chatter. Have you re-patched 0.3.24?
1427  Economy / Speculation / Re: Comparison to Apple (AAPL) shares on: July 13, 2011, 04:00:41 PM
Certainly your guess as to how AAPL will respond to lower consumer purchasing power is as good as any. But both Greenspan and Bernanke hold the stock market darling with no regard for base M0 monetary inflationary policy. The lesson Keynesians learned from '29-39 was that contraction of the money supply was both cause and effect of the stock market collapse. The Fed is now buying assets with printed money to prevent both. No, the stock market won't deflate, the Fed will just claim commodity supplies are decreasing, naturally increasing prices on tangible necessities.

I am happy to bet with you that the DJI will fall below 4000 by 2015, to underline that I am serious with my forecast.

The middle classes will have trouble affording food, energy, transportation, paying off debt (despite attractive loss in debt value), and very few will be able to afford fashionable consumer electronics. So AAPL will drop unless they start selling apples from trees or produce soft/hardware for the banks. But I posit that the Fed will continue monitary inflation combating stock market deflation while denying real price inflation. Unfortunately, I think they can keep that up for four more years, before everything traded in dollars collapses, but I'm certainly not betting on that timeline.

60% collapse by 2015, you say?
1428  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Unit Colour Chart on: July 13, 2011, 03:45:01 PM
Observation: Isn't it funny how we all (at least in the US) can look at a $5 bill, three $1 bills, 5 quarters, 6 dimes, a nickle and 4 pennies and quickly come up with $9.94? Imagine if someone on the boards here suggested that a 'gavin' is 0.25 btc, and a 'binary' is 0.05, he would get laughed off the boards.

Yes, he would be quite rightly laughed off the boards. Pennies and dimes are tangible goods. Decimal places are also named: for example hundreths, ones, tens, thousands, and millions. If you created physical bitcoin denominations, then they might be named, colored, and any other characteristics you are all yammering on about. Your $3.14 balance never reads three dollars, one dime and 4 pennies, whether on paper or computer screen.

Lest you've all forgotten, bitcoins are DIGITAL !
1429  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Currency Symbol ฿ on: July 13, 2011, 02:45:25 PM
1430  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] Wallet Private Key Encryption on: July 13, 2011, 02:12:11 PM
I wonder if the proposed implementation would allow the actual keys to be stored on a smart card, much like the OpenPGP smart cards that kgo is selling ( http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=26918 ). Or otherwise include some physical factor? The smart card memory limits the number of keys stored, but that is not likely a problem for a 'savings' wallet with a finite number of recycled keys.
1431  Other / Meta / Forum search could be better on: July 13, 2011, 02:02:34 PM
Too often I can't find previous articles despite providing excellent search queries. For example, if I know most of the words in the TITLE and the original poster's USERNAME, I still might get zero (0) hits. Perhaps the search form should just redirect input to google appending site:forum.bitcoin.org ?
1432  Economy / Goods / Re: OpenPGP Smartcard + SCR3110 Reader combo - 3 BTC on: July 13, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
kgo, thanks for the chat on OTC.

As a side note, are you familiar with the technical details of the proposed 'encrypted keys' in bitcoin client 0.3.25||0.4 ? I would posit that the private bitcoin elliptic keys on a smart card would be the most secure form of currency/transaction in existence today. Perhaps you could discuss this with the core developers. Why should they invent their own implementations when we already have decade+ proven technologies?
1433  Economy / Economics / GOLD to go (gold dispensing ATM in Madrid, Spain) on: July 13, 2011, 01:53:12 PM
GOLD to go (gold dispensing ATM in Madrid, Spain)

http://www.digitaljournal.com/video/?448570901
1434  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitcoin symbol adjustment proposal on: July 13, 2011, 01:36:38 AM
I'm still ok with the Thai Baht symbol. It's not like the dollar sign is uniquely used. (Canadian, Australian, Brazilian Real, ...) but those currencies have a historical tie, unlike bitcoin and Baht.

I am not a fan of using the Thai Baht, but don't care much. None the less here's my contribution (not Unicode) which emphasises bitcoin's cryptographic hash (#) backed nature.



But it turns out the Baht was a unit of weight that was originally base 2 - binary!

bia    เบี้ย    1⁄6400 Baht    cowrie; a very small amount of money; a counter used in gambling
solot    โสฬส or โสฬศ    1⁄128 Baht
att or ath    อัฐ    1⁄64 Baht    
sio or py    เสี้ยว เซี่ยว or ไพ    1⁄32 Baht    a quarter (feuang)
sik    ซีก or สิ้ก    1⁄16 Baht    a section; a half (feuang)
feuang    เฟื้อง    ⅛ Baht    
salung    สลึง    ¼ Baht    a quarter (baht)
mayon    มายน or มะยง    ½ Baht    
baht    บาท    1 Baht    1 tical, from Portuguese, from Malay tikal [3]
tamleung (of silver)    ตำลึง (หน่วยเงิน)    4 baht    a gourd; weight of silver equal to four baht, or ~60 grams

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_baht#History
1435  Economy / Goods / Re: OpenPGP Smartcard + SCR3110 Reader combo - 3 BTC on: July 12, 2011, 11:43:35 AM
the key wouldn't be in your .gnupg directory anymore

Ah yeah I guess gpg itself would be much more secure. Cool.
1436  Economy / Speculation / Re: Comparison to Apple (AAPL) shares on: July 12, 2011, 03:46:37 AM
Trawling can be contrasted with trolling, where baited fishing lines instead of trawl nets are drawn through the water.
1437  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you hate the State? on: July 12, 2011, 03:10:14 AM
Sorry bitcoin_bug, I thought the 12 minute reading sucked. Maybe because I only dislike the state and haven't yet engaged in expected rational panic Mr. Jefferson warned me about.

As for Praxeology, it just sounds like the first three of Buddhism's fourth aryan truths with a sprinkling of Nietzsche. appamada.
1438  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Webcoin Alpha Sneak Preview on: July 12, 2011, 01:52:16 AM
+2

Excellent work guys. I expect to be playing around with the code all weekend. Very exciting project!

The C++ code is the backbone of Bitcoin and will remain so for years to come. I think clients in other languages will fill certain niches as well as providing a testbed for new features.

I'm eager to hack away on the node.js code, but hope the C++ client also makes a similar server/client split.
1439  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Unit Colour Chart on: July 12, 2011, 12:45:52 AM
Data EntryScale Confirmation Panel
0.069 BTC6.9 cBTC
0.001592 BTC1.592 mBTC
0.0004 BTC400 uBTC
0.00000032 BTC32 satoshi

It's not a bad idea to standardize distinct COLOR, SHAPE, and ICON of different Bitcoin unit 'logos' (milli, micro, nano, pico would need to be quite prominent). If client designers want to express number in those colors, I think that's at best secondary.

EDIT: As dictator for the day (who has suffered through a dozen such discussions over the year), I declare the 'cent' discussion closed and buried. SI units of three (10^n3) are the only reasonable way to go: giga, mega, kilo, milli, micro, nano, pico (no deka, deci, centi, nor hexisepticenti). Satoshis (10^-8) may survive as a charming oversight.
1440  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] private key and wallet export/import on: July 12, 2011, 12:05:22 AM
Users should have maximum freedom, so I am all for importprivkey, dumpprivkey, and removeprivkey.

I completely agree. We should not be protecting users from themselves. Provide the tools to empower users and explain the consequences. We should not engage in obscurity.

I believe part of the issue are the metaphors used. 'Wallet' implies a static singleton entity. We should be referring to addresses as 'accounts' - it's a metaphor familiar to most users and their grandparents and is much closer to the reality.

We'd have no problem understanding export, importing or removing accounts from portfolios rather than wallets.
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