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1561  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 01:40:16 AM
HOPEFULLY payment channels are available before we have half a billion users making 10k micro transactions a day.

untill then 1MB is still not enough.

A majority of Core Devs wants ~133MB block sizes, that is the plan. The only difference is the order. Doing things in the right order is important because



WHAT?! well they have a strange way of showing it, people left and right are saying core doesn't want to scale the mainchain at all, any increase is a compromise in their view.
1562  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 01:35:26 AM
In the beginning there was only darkness, then Satoshi said to Nakamoto "do we have consensus?" and then there was light.
then what happened?

Nakamoto consensus remains and the immutable blockchain has remained resilient against multiple political coups. The majority of users, miners and developers understand that changes must have technical merit to risk first.

if there is technical merit to risk segwit
there is technical merit to risk 2MB.

infact Core says it themselves there is technical merit to risk BOTH.
1563  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 01:33:05 AM
.... 7 billion people making 20 blockchain tx day...

Is there any single electronic payment system that has more than 1bn users?  Probably all combined.

That's before taking into account babies, the elderly, those too poor to know what money actually is, etc.


That was just one example. Here is another example:

Half a billion users making 20 tx a day and 10k micro transactions a day(per minute bandwidth charges, per page ad free internet charges to pay certain content providers) and millions of Oracles/covenants/DAPPs/IOT devices all making txs every day.

With payment channels this is possible. Without It is just silly and unforeseeable.  

HOPEFULLY payment channels are available before we have half a billion users making 10k micro transactions a day.

untill then 1MB is still not enough.
1564  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 01:23:15 AM

In the beginning there was only darkness, then Satoshi said to Nakamoto "do we have consensus?" and then there was light.
then what happened?
1565  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 01:13:55 AM
the thing is high fees hurting bitcoin IMAGE.
thats the biggest down side

There are no high fees in bitcoin.
fine then,

 the endless debate with 0 progress for years is hurting bitcoin image

better?

the simple fact that the video "what is bitcoin" where it says "no fee", which now needs to be changed to "only ~5cent fees"
is a huge setback.

Americans (I guess you are also exhibiting the same pattern even if you are a Canadian) always blow my mind. They are burning fuel by the gallons, they can buy all types of junk for hundreds or thousands of dollars, they've been born in such abundance and quality of life that they can afford to say things like "ohh fuck bloat, I'll just buy a hard disk that costs 300$" (which is the wage of a developing nation worker) and the next minute they'll be saying things like "I don't want to pay 1-2-5 cents in fees" or they'll be pushing for the massive destruction of value, such as in the case of a contentious hard fork, saying that this will somehow lift some obstacle and increase their ...value. It's plain stupidity.

Only people who are taking abundance for granted can be pushing for situations where the destruction of value can be promoted as "solution" to issues that they are lucky enough to don't even have to care about, like the 2-3-5 cents in fees.

You know, there are very poor countries where even the 2-3-5 cents are actually money that one can do something in their life, like buy something to eat. I would respect those if they actually complained. But you know why they would not complain? Because they would understand that all alternative payment systems are asking them not 2-3-5 cents, but 100 times that. The cost to transfer around 200$ over the globe, through a bank wire, a western union transfer or paypal is in the tens of dollars, if you include all fees and commissions.

Last, but not least, there are countries, in which people suffer from fluctuating currency rates and who appreciate Bitcoin's store of value characteristics as their national currency slides downwards. And then there are all those who already enjoy the privilege of being in a country with stable or strong currency and who are like "fuck that, let's now destroy bitcoin's value for the lolz through a hardfork... let's fork the currency because, well... I don't like core devs".

I know I haven't directly addressed the point about the ...video and the fees, but the answer is there, between the lines.

you call me an "American" O_O, ya well your mom's a bitch and you know what that makes you!
lol! just kidding.

I'm sorry if i sound all emotional about 5cent fees... but yes i do believe this hurts the image, maybe not the fee cost per say, but it's more about all the random "why are my TX not going thorught" and then asholes being like "you dumb ass you didnt pay the appropriate fee DUH! "

everything is NOT fine, sure it all works and still relatively cheap, but you can't say all this BS hasn't hurt bitcoin's image and price, in my view blocksizebitchfest has hurt bitcoin real bad on multiple levels. fuck there a huge devied in the comminty now, who's to blame?? idk the specific poeple dont matter, the point is blocksizebitchfest is a HUGE source of FUD from all angles and there is no end in sight.
1566  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 12:31:40 AM
FACT blocksize will increase
FACT core plans to do it
FACT the network could benefit from this increase today
FACT we are waiting a full year before we do it, because we have some unproven code that could MAY increase "effective blocksize" by 1.75x if Core can figure out why it's forking the crap out of the testnet.

FACT run to eth for short trem profits  Grin
1567  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 12:26:26 AM
should we wait for segwit + LN  + other improvement to scale bitcoin? SURE in a perfect world that would be gr8. but blocks are full NOW, and everyone going apeshit about it.

shareholders are getting fucked-up by Core's o'mighty principals and we all know it.

as selfish as it is, my networth has and continues to suffer gr8ly over all this BS, and i'm sick of it...

Blocks were full for 3 days and the only thing that happened is fees went for 3 pennies to 7 -10 pennies... during an attack..
It appears that the attack may have restarted after a couple days rest.
 
Are you suggesting you care more about short term profit rather than longterm health?


your overstating the effect of a "bandaid solution" of raising the block limit sooner rather then later.


or do you blieve 1MB FOREVER =  longterm health??
1568  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 12:19:50 AM
the thing is high fees hurting bitcoin IMAGE.
thats the biggest down side

There are no high fees in bitcoin.
fine then,

 the endless debate with 0 progress for years is hurting bitcoin image

better?

the simple fact that the video "what is bitcoin" where it says "no fee", which now needs to be changed to "only ~5cent fees"
is a huge setback.
1569  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2016, 12:14:22 AM
should we wait for segwit + LN  + other improvement to scale bitcoin? SURE in a perfect world that would be gr8. but blocks are full NOW, and everyone going apeshit about it.

shareholders are getting fucked-up by Core's o'mighty principals and we all know it.

as selfish as it is, my networth has and continues to suffer gr8ly over all this BS, and i'm sick of it...
1570  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 11:55:13 PM
the thing is high fees hurting bitcoin IMAGE.
thats the biggest down side

as an investor i find this blocksize debate unacceptable when the cure is so simple.

your busy bitching about stupid technicalities while bitcoins image is getting smashed.

why are poeple buying ETH, is it because Bitcoin is BROKEN??? no but it sure as hell FEELS like it.
1571  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 11:50:28 PM


look months ago it was " look i made a free TX and it eventually got through "
then it was " I paid just this tiny tiny fee and it eventually got through "
today its " i paid only 1 cent worth of bitcoin and it eventually got through "
tomorrow it will be " i paid only 4 cents worth of bitcoin and it eventually got through "

they will keep saying "there's no problem here" even with a 25cent fee.


How soon you forget... I remember paying 6-8 pennies in tx fees in early 2013 before v0.8.2

That means the tx fees have gone from dust to 8 pennies to 2 pennies , back up to 8 pennies and will eventually drop back to 2-3 pennies with payment channels.

i remember paying the 5cent fee fully knowing i could do it with no fee at all. all this proves is we dont need block to be totally full to get poeple to pay fees.

1572  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 11:49:16 PM

O.k... take for example, when a few months ago, he said that Coinbase was going to support Classic XT etc...
Roll Eyes FTFU - Coinbase said they were going to test XT...

months ago a bunch of major players, bitpay included said they would back XT

there was an open letter.
1573  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 11:42:08 PM
The simple fact is that it's easier to disrupt a network that is already running close to capacity than one that has more excess capacity. That should be intuitively obvious to anyone without a mental handicap.

LOL well put.
I'm going to keep that one in my back pocket.

He forgot the bloat part which is achieved with less cost when the network has ample capacity.

If normal use, is, say, 500-700kb and the rest is spam that goes in for cheap, then instead of a spammer filling 300-500kb of spam for free/near free, he gets to increase that to 1300-1500, which is 3-4x.
i need ammo FOR block size increase not against it...


but you gotta admit that AlexGr just provided very good evidence why we shouldn't just rush into some kind of a blind blocksize limit increase when such blocksize limit increase does not seem to be at all necessary (except to shut up a bunch of loud ass "sky is falling" whiners).  

In spite of this supposed block size limit crisis that has been shouted about for more than a year (and more vocal in the past 6 months and even more vocal in the past couple of months - repeated shouts), there is no real evidence of a crisis and bitcoin has been doing pretty well in staving off a lot of nonsense spamming and still processing valuable transactions in a timely manner for low to no fees.

look months ago it was " look i made a free TX and it eventually got through "
then it was " I paid just this tiny tiny fee and it eventually got through "
today its " i paid only 1 cent worth of bitcoin and it eventually got through "
tomorrow it will be " i paid only 4 cents worth of bitcoin and it eventually got through "

they will keep saying "there's no problem here" even with a 25cent fee.
1574  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 11:34:05 PM
it OK everyone will use Lightnight network so they wont need to run a full node anymore

get it?  Cheesy

You are describing a much different Lightning network than core envisions. We want normal users to run lightning hubs and share fees with miners to incentivize them to run full nodes. We do not want companies like blockstream, coinbase, bitpay to control payment channels. Lightning network is supposed to be p2p where any average user can easily participate.

Are you suggesting that you don't want to increase full node diversity and count?

i'm suggesting no one will run a node to on a network that they dont use

are Lightning network node just  bitcoin full nodes + extra stuff?

1575  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 11:31:40 PM
I did not forget the bloat cost. I addressed that.  Hard drive space is so cheap and getting cheaper that any damage caused by bloat will cost the attacker more than the network.  It currently costs ~ $5,000 in fees to bloat the blockchain by 1 GB.  Harddrive space is about 30 cents a GB (and getting cheaper), so with 10,000 nodes, it costs $3,000.  It costs 5 grand to cause less than 3 grand worth of damage. This may not be satisfactory to some, but it makes this kind of attack a much smaller worry than other problems that we need to be dealing with.

Hard drive space isn't cheap for VPN's, which is what many are being driven to by the amount of bandwidth their full nodes are consuming from home connections. Many ISP's are introducing bandwidth softcaps , so the choice for users is run a full node or watch netflix. This is already a limitation that some users are being forced to make right now at 1 MB limit, many more will be forced to make this tradeoff at 2MB limits.

Here is an example of a Really Inexpensive VPN-
For their cheap , non ssd VPN's the Hard drive space isn't that cheap ... and the bigger issue is the cost of RAM which one needs around 2GB now to run a full node or 20 USD a month. If we keep pushing the blocksize limit higher than the hard disk, CPU, and ram requirements will also grow requiring a 30 usd a month or 40 usd month VPN.

There is a reason that Core introduced some new features in 0.12.0 that allow mempool and traffic limiting... it is both to prepare for increasing the blocksize limit and because currently some nodes are having issues from crashing even with a "small" limit of 1MB.
20$ to 50$   to run a full node on a VPN, does this sound unreasonable to you?
1576  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 11:06:57 PM
The simple fact is that it's easier to disrupt a network that is already running close to capacity than one that has more excess capacity. That should be intuitively obvious to anyone without a mental handicap.

LOL well put.
I'm going to keep that one in my back pocket.

He forgot the bloat part which is achieved with less cost when the network has ample capacity.

If normal use, is, say, 500-700kb and the rest is spam that goes in for cheap, then instead of a spammer filling 300-500kb of spam for free/near free, he gets to increase that to 1300-1500, which is 3-4x.
i need ammo FOR block size increase not against it...
1577  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 10:57:59 PM
Currently, I'm considering removing a large majority of my coins from Coinbase, because of their various recent stances in the blocksize limit debate that seem to purposeful attempts at disrupting and dividing the bitcoin community (to the extent that there is such a community).  



lol nice,

my advice to you is JUST DO IT


I have coins on their exchange and coins in the regular wallet and coins in the vault.

As you likely realize, with many things related to bitcoin, I like to brainstorm about my actions and my contemplated actions (especially when I am making fairly significant changes), and that's part of the explanation why I have a 5800+ post count on this forum.

I will probably leave a few coins in coinbase in each of the three locations (wallet, vault and exchange); however, I am in the process of removing some coins from the vault (apparently, it takes 48 hours), and thereafter I will transfer about 90% of my holdings out of there.  I may change the amount later, but 90% is my initial projection.  Upon reflection, this becomes a bit troubling for me, because I had accumulated most of my coins through Coinbase, and until now, they have held the most coins for me than any other location.  I have my coins distributed, but still at this point Coinbase still has about 50% of all my coins.  After this move (probably two transactions on the blockchain), they will have less than 10% of all my coins.

Also, it is a bit ironic that I have been a bitcoin user for more than 2 years, and it surely does take a long time to learn about bitcoin and to create a number of wallets and even now, I am trying to consider other wallet solutions (and some of them just seem too technical and complicated and somewhat filled with one kind of risk or another - whether that be 3rd party risk or the risk of me screwing it up, somehow).


bitaddress.org

you need to save this html page,
remove internet wire ( or reboot with a linux live cd or usb )
print out the paper wallet
reboot.
cut the private in half ( use scissors ), hide one half of the key in your ass and the other in a bank vault.

this will give you the most secure / simplest wallet solution i can think of.

sounds like you needed to take out a good % off BTC of the exchange for a while now...
exchanges can implode anytime.
MtGox wasn't the first and it wont be the last.

Isn't there a cryptographic attack that makes it possible to guess a private key if you have access to half of it? I'm sure it says somewhere that a private key can be considered compromised if an attacker gets a proportion of it. If an attacker gets hold of the half key in your ass you lose, or if a corrupt bank clerk gets the half in the bank vault you also lose.

fine, dont cut it in half and stuff the whole thing up your ass.

I have no idea how hard it would be to guess the other half, thats 32 fairly random bytes to guess, and its not like there is a C++ function called GuessOtherHalfOfPrivateKey();
1578  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 10:39:39 PM
The simple fact is that it's easier to disrupt a network that is already running close to capacity than one that has more excess capacity. That should be intuitively obvious to anyone without a mental handicap.

LOL well put.
I'm going to keep that one in my back pocket.
1579  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 07, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
I just bought a rug on Overstock. Paid a 4 cent fee, transaction went right through. Turns out bitcoin works! Who knew

Enjoy your rug. If you bought it with a CC, you could have done it faster, sans 4c fee, & with all the perks CC offer Smiley
you can't put a price on the good feeling you get using bitcoin, silly nub.

Dwugz and kiddy pr0nz, yes. For everything else, there's MasterCard.

>but not exactly professional...
If it was, it wouldn't be Bitcoin, n00by n00b.

1580  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: An open letter to the miners on: March 07, 2016, 10:29:32 PM
Dear miners,

I am a bitcoin investor, speculator, end user. I am asking you, no i am begging you, JUST DO IT!

I know you do not want to offend anyone or step on some toes; you want to make sure that when you put the 2MB limit in place it is because we have reached "consensus" on the issue. I BEG YOU, do not delay any longer, assert your power! do not wait for somthing that may never happen, do not let a dev believe they know better than you, or have more power than you, they don't, show them! let them feel the wrath of your hashes, Command their respect!

Put in place the 2MB limit TODAY, without their "approval". Put out some code of your own, gather >51% hashing power, and FORK us to the next level! if this offends the some poeple / core devs and they rage quit, GOOD! we dont want them trying to control bitcoin, it is not for them to control, bitcoin is OURS not theirs! amass 51% and take control!

As an investor / speculator, I promise you, if you can demonstrate that bitcoin's destiny isn't in the hands of any one group, but requires vast amounts of power to sway one way or the other,and that no amount of FUD can stop you/us; I will value bitcoin much more.

Time is now, do not delay, own the day!





JUST FORK IT
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