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161  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: MoonShadow
The irony of that statement is that, yes, I've given you much of my time and consideration. Case in point, you're not banned, yet.  You walked into our house and took a grand shit on our kitchen table, and I've let you continue to do so.  As Rassah has pointed out, I literally have to suffer fools as a mod on this forum; but there is only so much I'll take.  And you in particular, have leveled slander against me that you show no inclination towards either supporting or correcting.  If you've read your PM's today, you know that you have a time limit, and the clock is ticking.  So you need to choose; either prove your claims, withdraw your claims, or you can go completely bonkers until I pull the pin.  And no, I have not deleted any of my own posts, so whatever you think you saw is still there.  If you feel you've been unfairly treated, I'm sure Theymos would just love to hear your gripes.  
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Go ahead.  Don't forget, you're here of your own free will.  So you must get something out of all this.
I'm certainly more entertaining than some trolls you are forced to suffer.
I recognize my powerlessness and lack of influence. This applies in other spheres as well.
If you drop the modhammer, one less shrieky little whateveriam. No recourse for me. Game over.
If I prove to my, or anyone's but your satisfaction that you're a [redacted] whatever, I still lose.
We've shown our cards, and you win regardless. I got no dog in this fight.
I'm also imagining I'll wind up in gitmo one day irl, ready to hungerstrike.

And so, with full knowledge that I am and have always been at your mercy, I'm hereby publishing an apology for any slander that could have been interpreted from any of my posts. I am willing to edit my post according to any moderator's guidelines.
162  Economy / Economics / Re: Private vs. Personal on: June 20, 2013, 10:10:18 PM
Are personal things private Huh
Edit: Picked the last two...
Up to you.
Imo, personal things can be private, if they're encrypted well enough.
163  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:50:28 PM
The only two possible options are:

She's one of those parasites with people who are willing to put up with her, for now...

OR

She's one of those weird people who trades labor and products with friends...

I'm not really aware of any other options.

Which applies most to yourself?

Of those two options? The second one. But I also recognize it as the capitalism that it is.

If you truly want to be a freegan, please stop taking the $200, since it was created through other people toiling in capitalism, and was taken away from other people's toils by force. You are quite literally taking money from the mother that is having to toil to avoid starving her kids.
>implying ebt is in any sense money on a mattress in the back room, and not permission to steal.
>implying products of toil are entirely avoidable.
164  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:45:35 PM

Do you pay taxes? If so, thanks for paying the cops to kick me in the head, and the NSA to watch me, and for me to get away with $200ebt in free food sometimes.
Have I ever bummed a cigarette of of you? I can't recall.

Yes, I do pay taxes.  Against my own will, so that I don't get my own head kicked in also.  I also have the joy of paying the NSA to watch me, as well.

Here's an irony; up until very recently, I received EBT benefits as well.  I was required to accept them due to terms of a contract, with the state.  I know, a further irony.  The reason was because I was fostering two brothers, and the birth parents already received EBT, and I was obligated to maintain all benefits until such time as parental rights were terminated.  

They were terminated shortly after my wife & I adopted them, because there is no way that we qualify and no way that we were going to pursue them anyway.

I've never lived in Texas or Tennessee, nor do I smoke, nor do I frequent furry bars; so I seriously doubt I've ever given you a cigarette.
How about NY, NJ, Philly, Baltimore, Hardy, AR, Raleigh or Asheville, ect,ect?
Have you given spare change to someone who used it to buy cigarettes I could have gotten to?
Or paid for a good or service from a smoker?
Do you know what a "snipe" is?

Edit: I hereby command you by the powers vested in me by whoever to start frequenting underground grindcore shows, SCUM lesbian bars, and furry conventions. I believe one of the latter was held ajacent to San Jose 2013.
165  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:37:55 PM
The point is don't use correlation, use method of how it happens. Smoking wasn't proven to cause cancer because of correlation, it was proven to cause cancer because of the specific methods discovered. So, I'll get you started on this:
"Capitalism is the cause of ((contemporary wage)) slavery because when people practice capitalism they need to exploit margins which leads to slavery.


Ah, thank you. So, can you explain what you mean by "wage slavery?" Does it involve being forced to do anything against his/her will?
By definition.
Wages are unneccessary to and prevent one from doing one's will.
166  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:34:01 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.
Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.
You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're not nice -- that's worse Sad

It may not be nice to point it out, but it is what she is.  She is an able bodied,
Nope.
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young adult who lives off of the kindness of others and the forced taxation of others;
Best way to live. I'd be much better off without the taxes, admittedly.
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by her own admission above. 
You mean your assumptions and prejudiced conclusions?
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No matter how I may feel about food stamps, the food assistance program was established to help out families who could not afford to buy enough healthy foodstuffs to feed their families. 
And my zero income, smash the state, end the fed anarchist ways are robbing little children. Okay. Normally, I'd be yelling very colorful obscenities at you irl.
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Not only does she not have kids, (god help them if I'm wrong) she isn't incapable of supporting herself, she just chooses not to participate in her own support.
You're talking in the third person to degrade me. I recognize this. You are also drawing conclusions about me that are based in assumptions
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Other people give her things either because they feel sorry for her,
Like you with your time and consideration?
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like her enough to overlook her parasitical lifestyle,
Cyberbully. If I wasn't bored to tears, I'd cry.
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or are forced to by government taxation and redistribution schemes.  That is unethical, and the very definition of a parasite.
I can, have and intend on continue on existing without respect for the state which props up the ACTUALLY parasitic behavior of capitalists.
167  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:16:35 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

She's one of those weird people with friends...

That just means that someone else is paying those taxes on her behalf, not that taxes don't get paid.
Do you pay taxes? If so, thanks for paying the cops to kick me in the head, and the NSA to watch me, and for me to get away with $200ebt in free food sometimes.
Have I ever bummed a cigarette of of you? I can't recall.
168  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

She's one of those weird people with friends...

The only two possible options are:

She's one of those parasites with people who are willing to put up with her, for now...

OR

She's one of those weird people who trades labor and products with friends...

I'm not really aware of any other options.

Which applies most to yourself?
Thanks for the option of me not being subhuman I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. Wink
Yup, I pay it forward pretty hard.
169  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:05:34 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.
Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.
You're a cyberbully. Don't sue me bro.
Also, Hail Satan.

You should see my hairdo. You wouldn't call that ethical either.

Found an example of capitalism working yet?

/Off topic.
170  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:57:36 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?
Clever squatting and luck. I own only what I can temporarily maintain or carry.
I live in a house with wifi I know the password to at the moment.
Next week, who knows? Meow.
171  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.
Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.
172  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:31:36 PM
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The sad fact is that, yes, slavery has historicly been found coincincidntal to capitalsim. It's also been found coincidental to just about every other known form of governance, including those matriachies that certain posters seem so fond of.  Corrolation is not causation.

Of course not.  Just like smoking doesn't cause cancer Wink  Sure, there's some correlation, but causation?  The only difference is in smoking & cancer, the correlation is much weaker than in capitalism & slavery.  Fact Cat agreez.

The point is don't use correlation, use method of how it happens. Smoking wasn't proven to cause cancer because of correlation, it was proven to cause cancer because of the specific methods discovered. So, I'll get you started on this:
"Capitalism is the cause of ((contemporary wage)) slavery because when people practice capitalism they need to exploit margins which leads to slavery.

I absolutely agree.  That's why armed mugging is so popular Cheesy  I point a gun at your face & offer you a profitable trade:  Your life for your wallet.  After a quick negotiation, you conclude that it's in your enlightened self interest to part with your wallet & not your brains.  Another deal done Grin

Which is why the richest men in the world have made their wealth by armed mugging. Or, which is why armed muggers are the richest people in the world  Roll Eyes I seriously can not face-palm hard enough at this. I mean, if you really believe this, why not go out, invest in a gun, and become a multi-millionaire yourself?

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In the cases that voluntary exchange is not mutually beneficial, such exchanges cannot (by reason) be voluntary.

Depends on what you mean by "voluntary."  In the above trade, you could have chosen to keep your wallet & pick your brains up off the sidewalk.  I love freedom of choice.

Was choosing not to trade an option? No? Then I guess it wasn't really "voluntary," was it. Think these things through before posting something you think is clever.
Edited.

And what wage did you expect, ktttn?  Paying you more than is absolutely necessary is simply not enlightened self-interest.
Well I expected a gosh darn goose egg.
Too bad about all those negative integer net earners, hm?
173  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:27:25 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.
174  Economy / Economics / Private vs. Personal on: June 20, 2013, 08:22:06 PM
A.Skin cells on my shirt.
B.Some record that claims I own a tree.
C.The ink from a pen I wrote with.
D. A silo of grain ten million miles away someone just sold me.
E. The mining rigs that pay to my address.
F.The Dollars in my bank.

If someone has more revealing criteria, let it be known.
175  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
Skin cells on my shirt.  - PRIVATE AND PERSONAL
Some record that claims I own a tree. - PRIVATE
The ink from a pen I wrote with. - PERSONAL, unless you are talking about the ink still in your pen, in which case PRIVATE
A silo of grain ten million miles away someone just sold me. - PRIVATE
The mining rigs that pay to my address. - PRIVATE
The Dollars in my bank. - PRIVATE

Half are personal, the other private. Can you not determine which? Of course we can all see which is which.

Did I do that right?

Those things are all public.

Edit: Poll! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=239271.0
176  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:03:15 PM
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The sad fact is that, yes, slavery has historicly been found coincincidntal to capitalsim. It's also been found coincidental to just about every other known form of governance, including those matriachies that certain posters seem so fond of.  Corrolation is not causation.

Of course not.  Just like smoking doesn't cause cancer Wink  Sure, there's some correlation, but causation?  The only difference is in smoking & cancer, the correlation is much weaker than in capitalism & slavery.  Fact Cat agreez.

The point is don't use correlation, use method of how it happens. Smoking wasn't proven to cause cancer because of correlation, it was proven to cause cancer because of the specific methods discovered. So, I'll get you started on this:
"Capitalism is the cause of ((contemporary wage)) slavery because when people practice capitalism they need to exploit margins which leads to slavery.

I absolutely agree.  That's why armed mugging is so popular Cheesy  I point a gun at your face & offer you a profitable trade:  Your life for your wallet.  After a quick negotiation, you conclude that it's in your enlightened self interest to part with your wallet & not your brains.  Another deal done Grin

Which is why the richest men in the world have made their wealth by armed mugging. Or, which is why armed muggers are the richest people in the world  Roll Eyes I seriously can not face-palm hard enough at this. I mean, if you really believe this, why not go out, invest in a gun, and become a multi-millionaire yourself?

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In the cases that voluntary exchange is not mutually beneficial, such exchanges cannot (by reason) be voluntary.

Depends on what you mean by "voluntary."  In the above trade, you could have chosen to keep your wallet & pick your brains up off the sidewalk.  I love freedom of choice.

Was choosing not to trade an option? No? Then I guess it wasn't really "voluntary," was it. Think these things through before posting something you think is clever.
Edited.
177  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.
178  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: MoonShadow
The wild animals belonged to no one until the hunter killed it, and the fruits of the pawpaw tree belonged to no one, until someone picked it. It was rudimentary, but it was certainly an example of a belief in the right of private PERSONAL property.
FTFY

Define your difference between "private" and "personal," as I consider them synonyms.
Core problem.
Private is not as quantum entangled. It's a mere claim. Secreted away from dirty fingers and prying eyes.

EDIT: Personal is defined in bitcoin as providers of hashing power. I'm sure someone else can fill that definition in quite nicely.

"Private" does not cause another atom to spin/vibrate the same way as the word "private?"   Huh
"Personal" means "miners?"  Huh  Huh  Huh
I was using the definition of "private" to mean the opposite of "public" as opposed to "blocked from public view"
If I wanted to butcher what I said, I would have not done such an explosive job.
Skin cells on my shirt.
Some record that claims I own a tree.
The ink from a pen I wrote with.
A silo of grain ten million miles away someone just sold me.
The mining rigs that pay to my address.
The Dollars in my bank.
Half are personal, the other private. Can you not determine which? Of course we can all see which is which.
179  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 07:15:55 PM
Quote from: MoonShadow
The wild animals belonged to no one until the hunter killed it, and the fruits of the pawpaw tree belonged to no one, until someone picked it. It was rudimentary, but it was certainly an example of a belief in the right of private PERSONAL property.
FTFY

Define your difference between "private" and "personal," as I consider them synonyms.
Core problem.
Private is not as quantum entangled. It's a mere claim. Secreted away from dirty fingers and prying eyes.

EDIT: Personal is defined in bitcoin as providers of hashing power. I'm sure someone else can fill that definition in quite nicely.
180  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: A Small Victory - 7970 on: June 20, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
The important part is the question: is one mining bitcoin, yes or no.
If yes, one wins; if no, one loses.
All the tech specs and price aside, this is what really matters.
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