Sure, Fury could also earn a lot of money just fighting a random bum off the street, but he's not going to get as much as the Usyk unification. Tyson is just being greedy now and this is what causes so many fights to fall through. He's already been offered what is likely a career high payday from the middle east but apparently he wants the same as what AJ got for the Usyk fight which is 75 million apparently. Now they're talking about having it in the UK at Wembley but Usyk might not agree to that as he wants a 50/50 split and he isn't going to be getting that and likely probably not even half of what the middle east offered him. If it's at Wembley it will pretty much be the Tyson Fury show and he will be making all the demands. He'll probably just end up fighting some bum now given they've got a date at Wembley pencilled in and I really can't see Usyk being happy with that especially as Fury is making out that it shouldn't be a 50/50 split because he's a bigger draw in the UK.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-promoter-responds-furys-demands-this-sports-go-hollywood-if-you-want-kind-money--172493
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-fight-29210727

Turns out that's the actual - or at least alleged - reason why he didn't show up as he didn't want to break from training:


https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1733138/Tommy-Fury-Jake-Paul-press-conference-no-show-Saudi-Arabia-boxing-news

That's why I hate the so called 'family issues' excuse as it just turns into the boy who cried wolf. So now family issues could mean anything from a dead family member to they just can't be bothered getting out of bed and any excuse in between. Now when people do have genuine family emergencies or whatnot people are going to be sceptical. Sure, Tommy has to train but if Jake can take a day off to make it out there then so can Tommy. It's not like one fighter is getting an advantage but Tommy certainly is if he neglects promo duties to get some extra hours in whilst Jake is doing everything to sell the fight. That doesn't seem fair to Jake to me. Tommy needs to do his bit as well. The least he could have done is do the conference via video link. They should start docking fighters pay by x amount for every part of their contractual obligations that aren't met in promoting the fight.

Gavin should have come out and said this a long time ago. Not only that but he should have publicly denounced him as well and admitted that he was almost certainly duped. Craig has been using the so called 'fact' that he hoodwinked Gavin as one of the 'proofs' that he is satoshi and that he didn't need to sign an address because he'd already done so to Andresen and doing so would just be questioned again anyway. I don't know whether Gavin was just embarrassed about being duped and didn't want to look a fool or he was worried about legal ramifications from Craig but he should have done the right thing and actually put a nail in Craig rather than let himself be used as tool to further Craig's own agenda.


He's all these things but also a very dangerous and malicious individual. It wouldn't be so bad if he was just some harmless fantasist but he isn't. He's actively tying to hijack bitcoin for his own financial gain and who knows how far he can take this. 

I always find it bizarre when people with unimaginable wealth just don't retire and sail off into the sunset. That goes for everyone across the board but it's especially bad with boxers. The big ones make enough money to retire off one fight. Like how much money do you need? Fury probably has enough money to buy an island and build a mega mansion on it but he's haggling for even more out of what is already likely to be his highest pay day of his career.

What is baffling to me is Fury doesn't really seem that materialist or flashy. I mean, sure he's got a couple Gucci shirts and man-bags, but his house is pretty modest given the insane amount of money he makes. Unless he's planning to build a mansion on an island or retire his great great grandkids why do they need all this money? Sure, take what you can get but not at the expense of stalling a fight to squeeze as much juice out of it as you can. Usyk has agreed a fee and signed on the dotted line so Tyson should just take whatever they offered him which is probably already a lot more than what Usyk is getting. If this fight falls through I hope all Fury's fans turn on him because this stuff is getting ridiculous.



I don't think it will be easy for him but I don't think Tyson is that worried about it either. The risk is worth the reward regardless. It will likely be a career high payday and the first chance to unify all the belts in nearly 20 years. He also gets the kudos of beating another unbeaten person. There's more to gain than to lose in my opinion.

I don't think Wilder has more power than Ngannou. Francis is probably one of the hardest hitters on the planet: https://www.givemesport.com/88105296-francis-ngannou-broke-world-record-for-hardest-punch-ever-in-2018/

Wilder has better technique and boxing IQ for sure but Francis pretty much uses his stature and build to just wildly swing punches from a different universe which if they land you're probably not going to remain upright. Ngannou wouldn't outbox either Wilder or Fury but he could certainly knock them both out if he just comes out swinging and bullies them with his sheer weight and size. If he tries to outbox them he's not going to but I also can't see him being easy to KO either. Maybe he can be tired out but I think it's going to be difficult to dodge everything Francis throws for a full 12 rounder and that's what makes the fight exciting for me. If it happens I hope Francis just comes out swinging charging at Fury and tries to go for an early KO. I think that would probably be his best bet at winning. If that doesn't work he can just lay off the gas and have a slower paced boxing match and hope a weakness in Fury's defence opens up and he can capitalise on it like Wilder did.


I don't think it's been confirmed yet. That's certainly the date they seem to be going for but if Fury doesn't put pen to paper because of greed then it'll just fall through or they'll have to do it in the UK, but then that just stalls the fight even more unless Usyk is quick to agree to a lesser deal which he might be reluctant to do.

Isn't that person just a Stake employee?


I think this would be akin to saying janitors get paid so you might as well piss all over the floor and smear shit on the walls because that's what they get paid to deal with. In fact, I would look at it like someone is actively paying people to go around flinging shit and piss everywhere which obviously shouldn't be allowed. Sig spam should be the campaign managers job not left for mods to clean up the mess for free. Mods don't get paid unless the posts are reported and there's plenty of reports to handle without having to deal with sig spam and most sig spam isn't reported in the first place because there's so much of it and there's not much benefit to people reporting in the first place. IT would be a full time job in of itself if you were to take on the task of reporting the sig spam.

This fight has been dead in the water for weeks and it's all Fury's fault. Apparently everything is signed, they've both agreed terms, and Usyk has even agreed to his fee from Dubai but Tyson hasn't so he's basically trying to milk as much as possible out of this. Quite ridiculous for someone who apparently doesn't care about the money. Tyson has been more active on social media posting about the potential Ngannou fight... which I actually hope happens at some point but I hope he doesn't lead Francis on with this fight promising him the world only to have it 100% on his terms and give Francis a nominal amount. Hopefully Francis actually already has something concrete down to fight Fury because leaving the UFC was a huge risk otherwise and I'm not sure he would have done if he didn't think this mega fight was likely to happen which it wouldn't have whilst Francis was with the UFC.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21305038/francis-ngannou-tyson-fury-fight-agree/

According to Tommy's promoter they gave some vague 'personal family issues' or something. That could mean anything from a dead parent, ill child, or he's just had a row with his girlfriend and she's thrown a strop... or more likely it's just an excuse as to why he can't be bothered turning up to the press conference. The last excuse for missing the previous press conference was he needed to train. Tommy isn't exactly an entertaining character and I dare say he's a little dull so he's not going to shine in these media promos and he probably knows that, but he should be doing his bit to promote the fight which he's done very little so far. I wonder if Tommy is just getting an upfront fee or is he also getting some of the PPV backend? If he isn't he probably won't have any incentive to promote the fight since he's getting paid regardless. I'm really hoping he's not going to flake cos I really wanna see this fight. I can't see him walking away from the amount of money he's going to be getting though. Win or lose it's still a life-changing amount and probably the most he'll ever get from boxing, especially if he loses.

Oh, and I'm glad Chisora is getting a bag to promote fights in Saudi but I hope they don't employ him again. He can barely speak let alone promote something. It doesn't look good.

I think you will be hard pressed to find many people who actually think Jake can beat Canelo, even including Jake fans unless they're kids who just don't know what they're talking about. I'm sure Jake probably doesn't even believe that either and just said it out of bravado and to grab headlines (which it did). Maybe Jake is aiming to working towards a fight with someone like him at the tail end of his career but I very much doubt he would have any serious plans to fight him any time soon. It's probably not a fight Canelo would take either.


Jake did knock Silva down but he didn't KO him.

I don't think most people are pretending or even thinking he's going to be the next big thing but he's certainly impressed me and I'm wondering how far he can take this, but if Jake wins are you going to give him his props or just find an excuse to discredit the win? I think Jake has been wise with his fights, but he's doing it right and stepping up with each match and this fight is another perfect step as it gets him that kudos of fighting a proper boxer his own age and one that's similarly matched stat wise. I think that's all what makes this fight exiting for me. It's pretty much 50/50 from the comments I've read. Jake's haters think he's going to lose, Jakes fanboys think he's going to win and I'm in the middle as are lots of other neutrals. If Jake does actually beat Tommy I think it's going to be pretty huge and if Jake actually KO's him like he has done nearly everyone else then there won't be any excuses about his skill level. However, if he loses then the hype train will probably die down pretty fast, but again, that's why this fight is so interesting to me.


Lots of big fights have a back up opponent but that doesn't mean he's expecting him to pull out. It's just a safety net. Tommy has genuine excuses for the previous fights falling through though and I doubt he'd go to all this trouble trying to make it the third time if he didn't want it. It's probably going to be the biggest payday Tommy ever gets so I doubt he's going to drop the bag this time.

Where's the draw? I couldn't pick a winner right now and could easily see this being very close and going the distance.



I think saying he will beat Canelo is a bit silly though. Jake should just continue doing what he's doing now and stepping up with each fight and see where he gets to. Maybe he will fight a big boxing name at the tail end of their career but for now I think he should stick with fighters that are within his reach at his current skill level. I think he should probably aim for that Mayweather fight at some point. That one sells itself as there's already a lot of bad blood between them and Mayweather keeps on lining bums up so he may as well go for a challenge. I'm not sure if Mayweather would take the fight though as Jake will be the toughest opponent he's fought since Connor. McGregor would make a good match up as well assuming he can get out of his UFC contact which I think still has two fights left on it. KSI will probably fight Jake at some point but I don't think it will be Jake's or even KSI's next fight.

The fight has been officially announced for Feb 26th now. Pushed back by one day to avoid the Mayweather fight apparently.



https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn62Ne3riC4/


I wonder if all three Fury's will be involved in the build up like last time. That will certainly add some spice to things. I'm looking forward to it either way. There's a lot on the line for both of them as someone is likely going to lose their undefeated title (assuming no draws which I could actually see if it's close which it might well be). I think there's more pressure on Tommy now especially if Tommy's family reiterates that they will disown him or urge he quits if he loses.

But with promoters it's kind of a parasitic industry. If the fighters don't fight then they don't get paid anything and if it's between something or nothing then they'll take something but they will want the most amount of cash possible. There's no way someone like Frank Warren is going to want Fury to fight Dillian Whyte when AJ is potentially on the cards but Tyson seemed to not care about that but rather take the easier fight. Not sure why but the fighter will have the last say in things unless they're tied into a contract to deliver x amount of fights within a certain time frame or something. I don't even get why big fighters even have promoters these days. They're probably vital for getting into the game but once their initial contract is up and they've built a fanbase/audience then they should probably just go at it alone like Mayweather did. Tyson doesn't need to be giving 10-20% away to anybody now.


I don't think there's anything to suggest they're trying to build up to it right now, but I think it will happen at some point despite Fury saying he doesn't care about it. It's still going to be one of the biggest UK fights ever and if they end their careers without fighting each other I don't think they'll ever live it down or stop hearing about it. It probably makes sense for AJ to get back on his feet with a few wins and maybe even win a belt back so there's something on the line for the fight though. Doesn't really make sense for either Tyson or AJ to keep fighting bums when they can fight each other and get what will possibly be the biggest payday of their career.

This shouldn't be standard practice and actually think it's quite shady as it gives you them an out if someone wins big and you then have an easy excuse not to pay them. I know most bitcoin gambling sites operate in a grey area and many pick and chose what they comply with but they shouldn't let you play at all if they're only going to ask for verification later. I think it's fine for further verification if you suspect something is amiss but not if that's the first time you've been asked to do it. A lot of people probably won't even use a real name if they even ask for one in the first place so that alone could lead to issues down the line.


This doesn't happen in the UK. You have to verify before you can use them which should be the way. Might not be the case in casinos on the street but it is online.

I dunno about that. Promoters probably only get 10-20%, right? If the fight doesn't happen then they get 10-20% of zero so the promoters probably just want the fight to happen rather than trying to greedily squeeze a little extra out of it and risk it falling through. In the AJ/Fury potential fight it looked like Warren was desperate for it to happen and was doing everything he could to try make it so but it was Fury putting silly arbitrary deadlines on it and then he pulled out when in reality they probably could have made the fight if they'd been given time. Hearn seemed like he wanted the fight also, or at least publicly he was very keen. The only issue I could see if is they were worried another loss - which would be likely - would further damage his brand. Dazn may have played a part in that also given they signed him on a huge deal, though I'm sure they would have been happy to show that fight it would not have been in their favour given it was a Tyson Fury promotion.



Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest issues in boxing today. Rather than try sort the fights out publicly and through the media they should probably just work them out in private and behind the scenes and then only announce them when the contracts are signed. For instance, if Fury wants to fight AJ he should have their respective promoters just get the contracts done now without any chat in the media and then once they're done and dusted then announce it. You don't even have to fight next or straight away just get the contracts done for a fight at the end of the year or something.

Yeah, Tommy seems to be more of an introvert and doesn't really have the banter or ego like Tyson, which isn't a bad thing. Tommy is probably more like his mother than father. I think John was in prison for a big chunk of Tommy's earlier life so maybe that's why he doesn't take after him much like his other brothers. I don't think John was a decent boxer either. I believe he's even said that himself. I think he tries to live vicariously through Tyson now.


I think they were just trying to shake things up with the production. I think you have to do something different with the influencer boxing events. They seem to be like a mix of boxing with some WWE-style theatre/drama. They're all mostly entertainers so there's going to be a little bit of that thrown in and I think it adds something to the fights. There's a good mix though. You get the people who probably only started training a few months ago and probably shouldn't be in a ring but then you get the people with natural talent or who surprise you. If Tommy loses this fight I suspect he'll probably just do influencer boxing. Maybe Misfits should sign him. He'd still be a big draw there and maybe more at home and he'll still probably be among the best of the influencer fighters.

Looks like it's Fury being greedy holding this fight up and Usyk called him out for it earlier:


https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-news-29029780



https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-tyson-fury-boxing-29046693

If Fury walks away from this then I'm going to lose a lot of respect for him. He's probably trying to squeeze as much money out of this as he can get rather than just take the already ridiculously huge deal that will be on the table. Seems Tyson's promoter is now mentioning Joe Joyce as another opponent. Tyson can fight him after that.

I don't think it will be a circus. None of Jake's fights so far have really been. Jake is taking his boxing career pretty seriously and this is just another step on it towards bigger things and gets him the accolade of actually fighting a current pro boxer who is in his age range. I think it's a wise move on Jake's part as the Fury name alone attracts a lot of attention and he's not biting off more than he can chew by taking on a very experience pro in the prime of their careers. Tommy hasn't shown anything that would suggest he's a bad boxer but he just hasn't done anything to get him all the attention he gets other than from his name but he's still early on in his career. Nobody was really talking about Tyson at that stage in his career either most likely but now Tommy just has to prove himself to break away from the curse of his name. If he loses though he's well and truly fucked. IF he's wins though then he will be the first person to beat Jake and that will certainly put him on the map and the media attention he will get will be insane. Personally I think it's a pretty even fight and that's why I'm looking forward to it as there's a lot on the line for both of them.


Yeah. I'd just a take it a bravado comment made out of frustration though. He's basically just trying to claim it's not about the money anymore and is now mostly personal and if the only thing holding the fight back is the money then he will do just do it for free if that's what it takes, but we know it's obviously nonsense and a hollow comment because the only reason he is entertaining this comment is because it's going to give him the biggest payday he will likely receive for a boxing match.

Tyson did a couple of interviews during the Eubank/Smith fight last night and one thing that surprised me is he's still very interested in that Francis fight which I thought he might try dismiss since he's got so much else potentially going on. Maybe they actually almost got the fight done behind the scenes when they were hyping it up but Francis' UFC situation was blocking it: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-fight-29018572


Fury has been settled down with wife and kids for years and was married at 18 or 19 before he was even a pro boxer. He needs more than a wife and kids in his life as it seems like he needs a reason to get out of bed in the morning and do something productive because if he doesn't have something to work towards it seemingly consumes him and depression takes over and he falls back into bad habits (though I guess that's also true for most of us).


Well that's what they want as that's where the money is. I just hope the promoters aren't getting too greedy because this fight should have been done and dusted ages ago and we all know that Saudi wanted it as they publicly said so and had already made an offer for the fight last year but Usyk wanted the rest of the year off after the AJ fight and to spend Christmas and new years with his family which is understandable.

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12790589/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-venue-the-only-issue-for-heavyweight-unification-bout-says-bob-arum


That screams to me that it's now just about the money.

Tyson was interviewed at the Eubank/Smith fight last night about the Tommy/Paul fight and almost confirmed it had been signed when the interviewer told him that it'd just been confirmed but was merely reporting on what Ariel said  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0FXSvHxz2w


Tommy isn't going to fight for free. He posted a video on social media a month or so ago saying that it's not about the money now and would even fight him for free as he was annoyed that it was taking so long to get done and many people and outlets were claiming he's ducking Jake again but we all know that's just some nonsense he said out of frustration. Tyson even said the same thing about AJ when we know that's not going to happen. These big boxing fights only get made because of the money and nothing else.


He didn't say those two were going to do MMA but rather Jake has been training for a potential MMA fight. I'm sceptical Jake will fight a proper MMA fighter as that's not something you can quickly transition to. Jake might beat someone like Nate Diaz in boxing but there's no way he'd beat him at MMA. I think Jake has some wrestling experience in high school but I don't think that's enough to compete professionally but he's surprised me with his boxing skills so who knows.