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1601  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 20, 2018, 01:25:25 PM
^^^ Space race, the fix is in on that one. The US and Russia have collaborated secretly behind the scenes since the start of the cold war. If you don't agree with this statement then surely you can provide scientific proof that outer space is real? I'm not fooled by the puppet show they put on and neither should anybody else.








^^^ Pickled Earth hahaha








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Eclipses prove the earth is not flat as well.


".. A selenelion or selenehelion occurs when both the Sun and an eclipsed Moon can be observed at the same time. ..." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse

That's right folks, during a selenelion eclipse you can observe both the sun and the moon in the sky above you while the earth below you passes between them. This is some hard evidence that we live on globe, how could the earth possibly be flat in light of this evidence? I guess I should just give up and admit I'm wrong.




You claim the sun and the moon are projections (with absolutely no proof btw) how does your model explain the 2 different eclipses? Just more projections?
1602  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 20, 2018, 12:12:46 PM

Before he does that.  He should prove that something made the universe.

We haven't found even one thing in the universe that came about spontaneously.

We haven't found even one thing that we know for a fact was not made.

But we have found countless numbers of things that were made by something.

The whole operation of the universe that we know of is based on chains of things making other things.

Entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe, and that the beginning wasn't in the too distant past. If there were no beginning, or if the beginning were far in the past, entropy would have broken down all the complexity that exists, by dispersing and diffusing everything in the universe, long ago.

Combining all this shows that "something" outside the universe made the universe.

Cool

''Combining all this shows that "something" outside the universe'' BOOP WRONG. 

First of all, ''We haven't found even one thing in the universe that came about spontaneously.'' How do you know such thing doesn't exist? We know perhaps 0.000000000000001% of the whole universe, does it matter if we haven't found something like that?

''But we have found countless numbers of things that were made by something.'' By something inside the universe not ''outside it''

Big bang made the universe according to science.

We can only estimate the numbers of things that were made by something else, because that number is so great. But we don't have even one factual spontaneous generation. Scientifically, spontaneous generation hasn't happened, even though anyone can keep on guessing or hoping for it.

No, big bang did NOT make the universe according to science. That is just talk. Rather, big bang might be able to make some form of universe, but so far no big bang theory has been produced that could account for life. In addition, even if big bang really exists, nobody knows for a fact that it accounts for our universe.

Cool

It's funny because you don't realize that what you are saying directly disproves god. ''But we don't have even one factual spontaneous generation.'' So you are saying god did not spontaneously generate the planets, stars, animals, the universe?
1603  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: October 20, 2018, 12:11:43 PM

There are about 99% of scientists that disagree with you.

Even if that were true, it would be standard... since they all disagree with each other on something.

Cool

So you admit vaccines work?
1604  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: October 20, 2018, 10:49:34 AM

''Since the article says that the vaccine creates more polio than does nature, polio is increasing from the vaccine.'' Ok, where does it say this?

The article isn't that long. If you had read it, you would have the answer to your question - https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio.

Cool

We had 350.000 cases of wild polio, we got to almost zero thanks to vaccines, a few children are paralyzed because of it, how are the vaccines creating more polio than nature if nature created 350.000?

But we don't know that. All we know is that vaccines exist and that the cases of polio went to zero (if they really did). Polio might have gone to zero a lot faster without the vaccines creating more polio. And the articles says that vaccines create more polio than nature. And, what about all the autism, etc., that the vaccines create as are shown by other studies?

Everything works in cycles. So, nature creates polio more at some times than at other times. As I said in a previous post:
The only thing your point shows is,
somebody was smart enough to notice the natural drop in polio cases,
and that the natural drop was faster than the polio vaccine made new cases of polio,
and they capitalized on the idea.

Cool

'''And, what about all the autism, etc., that the vaccines create as are shown by other studies?'' Ah nah, but we don't know that, all we know is that vaccines prevent polio Cool


There are more and more studies being done all the time, that disagree with you.

Cool

There are about 99% of scientists that disagree with you.
1605  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 20, 2018, 10:48:57 AM
^^^ Pickled Earth hahaha








^^^ it's funny how you're triggered by criticism of the ORAD virtual set backdrop NASA uses in their studio.




Funny how I comment on the obvious discrepancies. Structured cabling = extension lead for data. Suddenly my motives for challenging the obvious stupidity of the comparison is being challenged ?

I don't care what orad is or NASA does. I live in a country that doesn't even have a space program.

The comparison is stupid. Do you think the comparison is not stupid ?

The item on the right looks like a gas sniffer. I'd like see someone replace that function with a cat6 patch lead.

NASA receives $57 million USD a day in tax money to hoax the globe. I'm forced to pay for this fraud and you want to say that I'm bad and wrong for being critical about the unprofessional tangled mess they show off? You'd think that with that kind of financial incentive they could hire a professional electrician as a consultant when designing their virtual set backdrops.

Eclipses prove the earth is not flat as well.
1606  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: October 20, 2018, 10:46:55 AM

later wave function is not deterministic, it is unpredictable (i.e., random).

Actually, it's pretty clear, explained 3 different ways. Not deterministic, unpredictable and random, if you don't know what it means, use a dictionary Cool

He is barking up the wrong tree.  He should just let it go.  Bible details cannot be defended.  It is like defending the Flat Earth concept.

If he wants, he can believe in some pantheistic God that nobody can prove or disprove, but the God in the Bible?  Sorry, all these scriptures are full of historical errors, pure supernatural nonsense, or self-contradictions.  All these Gods are the product of human imagination.

He jumps on the Evolution Theory because his church buddies came up with some silly reasons to say it is a hoax.

Let him say that the Evolution Theory is a hoax and we can all move on.  He is a disturbed individual.

Anyone who actually looked at the scientific evidence knows that it is as close to a fact as 2+2=4


Since this is an evolution thread, let's not waste time on defending or proving the Bible.

Back 100 years ago, there were a lot of things that science figured out. Then some later scientists showed why those earlier scientists were wrong.

Not deterministic and unpredictable only means that we haven't figured it out. But 100 years from now, scientists may have all the answers as to why. Why what? Why there is C&E in everything, and no pure random... as we commonly see all over the place today.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

No, lies.

Definition of unpredictable
: not predictable: such as
a : not able to be known or declared in advance
unpredictable weather
b : tending to behave in ways that cannot be predicted
an unpredictable boss

That's what you claim, that science just hasn't figure it out, how do you know for sure?

''there is C&E in everything'' Well it seems like that's not true.
1607  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 20, 2018, 10:45:17 AM

Before he does that.  He should prove that something made the universe.

We haven't found even one thing in the universe that came about spontaneously.

We haven't found even one thing that we know for a fact was not made.

But we have found countless numbers of things that were made by something.

The whole operation of the universe that we know of is based on chains of things making other things.

Entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe, and that the beginning wasn't in the too distant past. If there were no beginning, or if the beginning were far in the past, entropy would have broken down all the complexity that exists, by dispersing and diffusing everything in the universe, long ago.

Combining all this shows that "something" outside the universe made the universe.

Cool

''Combining all this shows that "something" outside the universe'' BOOP WRONG. 

First of all, ''We haven't found even one thing in the universe that came about spontaneously.'' How do you know such thing doesn't exist? We know perhaps 0.000000000000001% of the whole universe, does it matter if we haven't found something like that?

''But we have found countless numbers of things that were made by something.'' By something inside the universe not ''outside it''

Big bang made the universe according to science.
1608  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 19, 2018, 05:42:51 PM
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Source: NASA Artist (contractor).










''My point that you're being intellectually dishonest'' Says the guy quoting another guy that said they have to stitch the pictures together because most of the times they can't take full pictures of earth.



Full picture of earth from a russian satellite.

1609  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 19, 2018, 03:30:09 PM
I'm sorry BADecker but that's not an argument.

Astargath why are you changing the topic you fucking weasel, huh why? You draw an angled line under the horizon to exaggerate the minor barrel distortion from the lens and window combined with the greater light intensity in the middle as your globe curvature? The proof I've provided isn't about curvature douchebag, it's a fucking strawman argument because of the uncertainty caused by an array of potential barrel distortions. Distance to the horizon, the fact the horizon rises to eye level and the fact observation of the horizon is consistent with perspective and convergence on a plane proves the earth is flat. Thanks to JTolan I have the infrared images to prove my point.

Vod, nice try but the red-shift assumes the stars are millions and billions of miles away and doesn't prove outer space is real, or that stars aren't close points of light projected off a concave mirrored dome. Given the radically different cosmology an engineered, enclosed flat earth provides an explanation for the observed wavelengths is going to be somewhat different.

Changed the topic? I didn't draw anything, it was in the comments and it's not angled, check for yourself lmao, you can see the curve. Yeah, it seems to me that all the optical illusions and effects always make it seem like the earth is a sphere, never the opposite way, huh?

Yes, changed the topic from the horizon distance to the straw man of horizontal horizon curvature. Also there's an angle between the line that's been drawn and the horizon line. Rope yourself.

Straw man horizon distance vs visual evidence that the earth is a sphere. Go rope yourself. You proved the globe earth with that video, thanks!

How is the distance to the horizon a straw man, do explain? Horizontal curvature is not conclusive, therefor claiming that it's proof of anything is bullshit. You can't show that it's not distortion especially with the center of the image being brighter/overexposed. I've got evidence for distortion meanwhile you completely ignore the distance to the horizon based on landmarks and prop up this straw man.

I've exposed your intellectual dishonesty asshole.

You can't show it is distorted. Keep using straw mans to get away from real evidence. Do you not get tired of claiming everything is either Photoshoped or some weird atmospheric distortion made it look like that?

I can't prove 100% it's distortion based on the image alone and you can't prove it's a curved globe, this make it inconclusive and your argument a straw man but, not one that works in your favor. The result being that you've got no argument. I've put the horizon beyond 500 miles using a landmark and that proves the earth is flat and that the curvature in your image is from distortion.

My point that you're being intellectually dishonest and need to rope yourself stands.

All the photos/videos of earth show the earth is a sphere beyond any doubt, you are delusional.
1610  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 19, 2018, 02:47:11 PM
I'm sorry BADecker but that's not an argument.

Astargath why are you changing the topic you fucking weasel, huh why? You draw an angled line under the horizon to exaggerate the minor barrel distortion from the lens and window combined with the greater light intensity in the middle as your globe curvature? The proof I've provided isn't about curvature douchebag, it's a fucking strawman argument because of the uncertainty caused by an array of potential barrel distortions. Distance to the horizon, the fact the horizon rises to eye level and the fact observation of the horizon is consistent with perspective and convergence on a plane proves the earth is flat. Thanks to JTolan I have the infrared images to prove my point.

Vod, nice try but the red-shift assumes the stars are millions and billions of miles away and doesn't prove outer space is real, or that stars aren't close points of light projected off a concave mirrored dome. Given the radically different cosmology an engineered, enclosed flat earth provides an explanation for the observed wavelengths is going to be somewhat different.

Changed the topic? I didn't draw anything, it was in the comments and it's not angled, check for yourself lmao, you can see the curve. Yeah, it seems to me that all the optical illusions and effects always make it seem like the earth is a sphere, never the opposite way, huh?

Yes, changed the topic from the horizon distance to the straw man of horizontal horizon curvature. Also there's an angle between the line that's been drawn and the horizon line. Rope yourself.

Straw man horizon distance vs visual evidence that the earth is a sphere. Go rope yourself. You proved the globe earth with that video, thanks!

How is the distance to the horizon a straw man, do explain? Horizontal curvature is not conclusive, therefor claiming that it's proof of anything is bullshit. You can't show that it's not distortion especially with the center of the image being brighter/overexposed. I've got evidence for distortion meanwhile you completely ignore the distance to the horizon based on landmarks and prop up this straw man.

I've exposed your intellectual dishonesty asshole.

You can't show it is distorted. Keep using straw mans to get away from real evidence. Do you not get tired of claiming everything is either Photoshoped or some weird atmospheric distortion made it look like that?
1611  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 19, 2018, 01:30:52 PM
I'm sorry BADecker but that's not an argument.

Astargath why are you changing the topic you fucking weasel, huh why? You draw an angled line under the horizon to exaggerate the minor barrel distortion from the lens and window combined with the greater light intensity in the middle as your globe curvature? The proof I've provided isn't about curvature douchebag, it's a fucking strawman argument because of the uncertainty caused by an array of potential barrel distortions. Distance to the horizon, the fact the horizon rises to eye level and the fact observation of the horizon is consistent with perspective and convergence on a plane proves the earth is flat. Thanks to JTolan I have the infrared images to prove my point.

Vod, nice try but the red-shift assumes the stars are millions and billions of miles away and doesn't prove outer space is real, or that stars aren't close points of light projected off a concave mirrored dome. Given the radically different cosmology an engineered, enclosed flat earth provides an explanation for the observed wavelengths is going to be somewhat different.

Changed the topic? I didn't draw anything, it was in the comments and it's not angled, check for yourself lmao, you can see the curve. Yeah, it seems to me that all the optical illusions and effects always make it seem like the earth is a sphere, never the opposite way, huh?

Yes, changed the topic from the horizon distance to the straw man of horizontal horizon curvature. Also there's an angle between the line that's been drawn and the horizon line. Rope yourself.

Straw man horizon distance vs visual evidence that the earth is a sphere. Go rope yourself. You proved the globe earth with that video, thanks!
1612  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 19, 2018, 12:40:25 PM
I'm sorry BADecker but that's not an argument.

Astargath why are you changing the topic you fucking weasel, huh why? You draw an angled line under the horizon to exaggerate the minor barrel distortion from the lens and window combined with the greater light intensity in the middle as your globe curvature? The proof I've provided isn't about curvature douchebag, it's a fucking strawman argument because of the uncertainty caused by an array of potential barrel distortions. Distance to the horizon, the fact the horizon rises to eye level and the fact observation of the horizon is consistent with perspective and convergence on a plane proves the earth is flat. Thanks to JTolan I have the infrared images to prove my point.

Vod, nice try but the red-shift assumes the stars are millions and billions of miles away and doesn't prove outer space is real, or that stars aren't close points of light projected off a concave mirrored dome. Given the radically different cosmology an engineered, enclosed flat earth provides an explanation for the observed wavelengths is going to be somewhat different.

Changed the topic? I didn't draw anything, it was in the comments and it's not angled, check for yourself lmao, you can see the curve. Yeah, it seems to me that all the optical illusions and effects always make it seem like the earth is a sphere, never the opposite way, huh?
1613  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 19, 2018, 12:18:44 AM

''Because that's all we know about outside the universe... not two outside-the-universes'' Do you realize how stupid this is? So the universe is just one, therefore inside the universe only 1 thing can exist? How come we have trillions of planets then?

What do you think outside the universe actually means? I don't think you really know, do you? Science doesn't even know if such thing exists but there are some theories, some of them even state that multiple universes exist so how can you claim it's only 1 god that created this universe and not multiple?

Standard Astargath attempted deception. We know nothing about outside-the-universe. We know a lot about the universe (though only a fraction of things that are within). Did you get that? We know one thing about outside-the-universe. What is that one thing? That it is outside the universe. We don't know if it is complex or simple. We don't know if it has anything that we can understand or not. What we do know is one thing... outside-the-universe... one. That is, unlike within-the-universe, which we know there are many things, we don't know anything about without except that it is outside-the-universe, one thing.

You are right. Understanding what outside the universe really means is something people don't know. If they did, it would be part of the universe, like inside the universe. But, we know that the universe was made by something other than itself. Since it isn't in the universe, it is outside the universe.

When you get out there, count the things that are out there for us all... if you can even understand it. So far it is only one... outside the universe.

Cool

''We know one thing about outside-the-universe. What is that one thing? That it is outside the universe. '' We don't. We actually don't know if ''outside the universe'' exists or not.

''Understanding what outside the universe really means is something people don't know. If they did, it would be part of the universe'' Understanding what's outside the universe doesn't magically make it part of our universe.



Whatever made the universe isn't wasn't within the universe when it made the universe. So, it was outside the universe. So, outside the universe exists... although the way that it might exist doesn't necessarily fit the word "exist."

If we can understand it according to universe stuff, it is universe stuff.

Cool

''Whatever made the universe isn't wasn't within the universe when it made the universe. So, it was outside the universe.'' Prove it.
1614  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: October 19, 2018, 12:18:18 AM

''Since the article says that the vaccine creates more polio than does nature, polio is increasing from the vaccine.'' Ok, where does it say this?

The article isn't that long. If you had read it, you would have the answer to your question - https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio.

Cool

We had 350.000 cases of wild polio, we got to almost zero thanks to vaccines, a few children are paralyzed because of it, how are the vaccines creating more polio than nature if nature created 350.000?

But we don't know that. All we know is that vaccines exist and that the cases of polio went to zero (if they really did). Polio might have gone to zero a lot faster without the vaccines creating more polio. And the articles says that vaccines create more polio than nature. And, what about all the autism, etc., that the vaccines create as are shown by other studies?

Everything works in cycles. So, nature creates polio more at some times than at other times. As I said in a previous post:
The only thing your point shows is,
somebody was smart enough to notice the natural drop in polio cases,
and that the natural drop was faster than the polio vaccine made new cases of polio,
and they capitalized on the idea.

Cool

'''And, what about all the autism, etc., that the vaccines create as are shown by other studies?'' Ah nah, but we don't know that, all we know is that vaccines prevent polio Cool

1615  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: October 19, 2018, 12:16:36 AM

Science says it's random, you claim it's not, so you have to prove it.

Blah, blah, blah. Science says that they don't know that it is random.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool


No, not bla bla,

''During a measurement, on the other hand, the change of the initial wave function into another, later wave function is not deterministic, it is unpredictable (i.e., random). A time-evolution simulation can be seen here.[39][40]''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

Unless you think quantum mechanics is also a hoax, at this point all science will be!!

When you read the article, science theory is mentioned at least several times. It is the nature of science theory to be a best science found up to that time. So, we don't know that pure random exists.

The idea of "unpredictable" means that they haven't been able to predict something with the knowledge and equipment that they have.

The "random" mentioned above isn't clear enough to know whether or not it is pure random, or random as used 200 years ago.

Quantum Mechanics, by its nature, can be used to find whatever answer you are looking for, if you work at it hard enough. This means that if pure random was determined by QM, the opposite of it could be determined as well.

This puts us right back where we were were before... countless numbers of proven C&E, but not one proven instance of pure random. This means that evolution is questionable, at best - or it would be if it hadn't been prove impossible by a bunch of other science. Since evolution is touted as fact when it is not known to be factual...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

later wave function is not deterministic, it is unpredictable (i.e., random).

Actually it's pretty clear, explained 3 different ways. Not deterministic, unpredictable and random, if you don't know what it means, use a dictionary Cool
1616  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: October 18, 2018, 11:42:15 PM

''Since the article says that the vaccine creates more polio than does nature, polio is increasing from the vaccine.'' Ok, where does it say this?

The article isn't that long. If you had read it, you would have the answer to your question - https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio.

Cool

We had 350.000 cases of wild polio, we got to almost zero thanks to vaccines, a few children are paralyzed because of it, how are the vaccines creating more polio than nature if nature created 350.000?
1617  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: October 18, 2018, 11:40:04 PM

Science says it's random, you claim it's not, so you have to prove it.

Blah, blah, blah. Science says that they don't know that it is random.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool


No, not bla bla,

''During a measurement, on the other hand, the change of the initial wave function into another, later wave function is not deterministic, it is unpredictable (i.e., random). A time-evolution simulation can be seen here.[39][40]''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

Unless you think quantum mechanics is also a hoax, at this point all science will be!!
1618  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 18, 2018, 11:36:28 PM

''Because that's all we know about outside the universe... not two outside-the-universes'' Do you realize how stupid this is? So the universe is just one, therefore inside the universe only 1 thing can exist? How come we have trillions of planets then?

What do you think outside the universe actually means? I don't think you really know, do you? Science doesn't even know if such thing exists but there are some theories, some of them even state that multiple universes exist so how can you claim it's only 1 god that created this universe and not multiple?

Standard Astargath attempted deception. We know nothing about outside-the-universe. We know a lot about the universe (though only a fraction of things that are within). Did you get that? We know one thing about outside-the-universe. What is that one thing? That it is outside the universe. We don't know if it is complex or simple. We don't know if it has anything that we can understand or not. What we do know is one thing... outside-the-universe... one. That is, unlike within-the-universe, which we know there are many things, we don't know anything about without except that it is outside-the-universe, one thing.

You are right. Understanding what outside the universe really means is something people don't know. If they did, it would be part of the universe, like inside the universe. But, we know that the universe was made by something other than itself. Since it isn't in the universe, it is outside the universe.

When you get out there, count the things that are out there for us all... if you can even understand it. So far it is only one... outside the universe.

Cool

''We know one thing about outside-the-universe. What is that one thing? That it is outside the universe. '' We don't. We actually don't know if ''outside the universe'' exists or not.

''Understanding what outside the universe really means is something people don't know. If they did, it would be part of the universe'' Understanding what's outside the universe doesn't magically make it part of our universe.

1619  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: October 18, 2018, 08:18:41 PM

Blah, blah, blah. Virtual particles and radioactive decay are NOT evidence, and certainly not proof, of pure random. And even if you said it 50 million times, that wouldn't make it evidence or proof of pure random.

However, even if pure random existed in some strange, as yet unknown way, cause and effect in everything we currently know shows that evolution is not possible as current evolution theory explains evolution. Since scientists are not stupid, they know this when they get right down to examining evolution theory. Some of them have even expressed it... like Stephen Gould, when he talks about the fact that there is so little real evidence for evolution that it should really not be classified as a science theory at all.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

They are evidence and they are considered random. Why should I listen to a random nutjob religious guy instead of well established science?

The only way that they might be considered random, is the same way that the dictionary explains simple random. We simply don't know the cause(s).

Say that you see a leaf on a tree twisting and turning in the sunlight with the breeze. We know the causes for the leaf turning, in general. It has to do with things like the heat from the sunlight, the breeze itself, and the way the whole tree is swaying. And there might even be other things that we understand as the cause, such as the rate of evaporation of water from the leaf. But we can't track the causes to know how many causal parts there are, and how they all interact to make the leaf sway.

Regarding radiation, we might know some of the parts because we can measure the changes in microscopic quantities of radioactive material, but we don't know exactly why the material dissolves into radiation at the rate in which it does. So, some scientists simply suggest that C&E doesn't work in this case, simply because they don't know all the answers.

It's like saying that the leaf on the tree turns about in the summer breeze spontaneously, because we can't see but a few of the millions of minute forces that are acting on the leaf as it moves. The fact that the material is there, and that the material dissolves into radiation, shows that the whole thing is a C&E operation, even though we don't know the tiny details.

Besides, the scientists don't point-blank say that such radiation is spontaneous without C&E. Rather, they say that it is their idea, and that they think that they have some evidence for lack of C&E.

So, what does this have to do with the fact that evolution is a hoax?

Cool

'' We simply don't know the cause(s).'' Prove it.

Do you mean that somebody actually knows the cause(s)? Prove it.

Cool

Science says it's random, you claim it's not, so you have to prove it.
1620  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: October 18, 2018, 08:18:06 PM

''We have proof, now, that the polio vaccine causes more polio than nature, right?'' No? We have the proof that polio vaccines almost eradicated polio and they have some terrible side effects that don't happen to often. The reason polio vaccines paralyze more children now than polio itself is because there is almost no polio, thanks to the VACCINES.

Your article cites: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

"The fact is this [the live oral polio vaccine] is the only tool that we have that can eradicate the disease," says Zaffran.

That eradication effort has been incredibly successful. In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year.

Zaffran credits the oral polio vaccine with getting the world incredibly close to wiping out a terrible disease.

"Four regions of the world have totally eradicated the disease with the use of the oral polio vaccine," he notes. "Of course we need to recognize that there have been a few cases of children paralyzed because of the vaccine virus, which is regrettable. But, you know, from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk."


Your highlighted part above is double talk. Since the article says that the vaccine creates more polio than does nature, polio is increasing from the vaccine.

Consider this. If everybody who was vaccinated died, would the vaccine have destroyed polio? Yes, of course, at least until another natural case of polio showed up. So, if the vaccine isn't that dramatically bad, and even stopped way more polio than either it or nature started, what is the rest of the damage it did, by poisoning off polio? What else has it poisoned in the inoculated people besides the polio virus?

How much autism has been produced? How much of various other crippling disease have been produced? The particular report might not say all this. Maybe no studies have been done in this instance. But there are other studies that show that vaccination is producing more and worse diseases than it is conquering. The people are getting both happy results, and bad results.

At the very least, stop using the vaccines until they are shown to be safe all around.

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''Since the article says that the vaccine creates more polio than does nature, polio is increasing from the vaccine.'' Ok, where does it say this?
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