Its in progress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=167.0

Hey guys, I'm looking to sell or trade my 2013 1 BTC all Silver Casascius coin (pictured below) for 2.25 BTC or in exchange for mining hardware (Scrypt or SHA) or if you have any other neat things to offer, my ears are always open, because I've found the coolest stuff I've ever seen in barters over this forum. I'm perfectly happy to do escrow with a mutually agreed upon escrow agent, on the condition that the buyer pays any escrow fees. Shipping to the US is included in the price.

 

I've also got a few OgNasty Physical Nastyfan seats for sale if anyone is interested, you can read more about what those are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352515.0

I've been building my own solar panels, its far cheaper than buying retail panels, however it is still a relatively large upfront cost (depending on your electricity rates) to build my own, its about $30-40 per 100 Watts. Not especially worth it, since I'm paying $0.05-0.06/kWH but its an option to consider if you are paying $600 per month.

I tried setting up my own nuclear reactor a while ago, but apparently thats frowned upon. Incredibly cheap if you go that route though.

The reason you dont see account selling at other forums, is because their demographic is different. This isn't the hello kitty fansite forum. We cater to the bitcoin community, all of which knows basic anonymity measures and know how to bypass any measures that we could possibly put in place. Why create laws if we can't enforce them, it just makes us look like jackasses.


How people regard others on the default trust list is up to psychology. I can't tell people how to use the forum's trust system. Thats really a social issue. I've seen plenty of people on the default trust list get called out for being a scammer, and they were given no special treatment by the community. Pirate@40 was around before the trust system, and the amount of people cheering for him rather than pointing out their suspicions was completely disproportionate, even after he started to slip. Most of the people on the default trust list have in the past done something for the community, whether that be to providing a "trusted" service or product, its understandable that no one wants the good guys to become scammers, but sometimes it happens. I really don't think there is a huge issue with the forum's trust system. If you have an idea on how to fix it, we are all ears.

That being said, I'm not a trust system shill, I've never been a huge fan of it, but I understand its uses. If you want someone off of the trust system, you have to prove it to the people that added them. I've seen plenty of people removed. Actually how the system works is pretty interesting. If I add someone to the default trust list under me, its a blow to my reputation if they do something, giving me incentive to only add those that I truly trust. And if someone that I trust messes up, I will want to know immediately so I can remove them and stop the damage to my own reputation.

Well, to address a couple points here, first off, banning account selling is something that the Bitcointalk staff is not able to do. We can ban content (the example kiddy porn was used) because that is posted here, and we can delete the post and ban the poster. If you make 50 accounts on different tor nodes and then make a contact via pm or skype to sell the accounts, how exactly do you expect that we can stop that without spying through your pms and hacking your skype? By publicly allowing account selling, its not a surprise to anyone, so everyone has a bit of suspicion in them when dealing with someone. If we said we banned Account selling, then the majority of people who knew how to get around the system would be able to do more damage to unsuspecting people.

As far as the trust system goes, it is not flawless, people need to stop taking it as definitive proof of trust. It is essentially ebay feedback, past history does not guarantee future trustworthiness. However! Something that everyone seems to forget, is that your account and its history has financial value, and so does your trust. If I wanted to sell my account (I'm not going to) I would get a pretty hefty offer. My account valuation would be based on account age, past actions, future opportunities with my name, and my trust, plus various other things. A person can calculate how much money they can trust me worth, based on similar factors. If I have 50 positive feedback, people trusting me with 1 BTC, that doesn't magically mean I'm trustworthy with 50 BTC, perhaps 5 BTC, based on various calculations. If the valuation of what I'd sell my account for is based on my trust value + other factors, it doesn't make economical sense for someone to buy my account for 20+ BTC (the combination of financial factors) and then to scam for just the value of my trust. Now of course that isn't foolproof, but its a heavy incentive not to buy trust heavy accounts and scam with them. Buying accounts with the intention to scam is frankly a gamble. If you get caught after paying a hefty sum for a valuable account, you are out a bunch of money. Perhaps it is more valuable to play it straight and sign up for sig campaigns, invest in business opportunities, etc.

Anyway, I'm not justifying account selling, I'm not in denial, and sure it can be used to scam, but if you actually do the math, sometimes there can be legit reasons to buy accounts. But, thats all moot anyway, because we can't stop it either way.

As far as the censorship goes, only global moderators or admins can ban people. "Silent bans" tend to happen in full view of all of the moderators by public request of a moderator who can't ban someone personally. This isn't a decentralized forum, if you want a decentralized forum, make one.

And really, by the way, it is a very very common occurrence for people to cry censorship, try to make a martyr out of themselves by declaring that they will be banned for their views, and then get themselves banned for spamming/completely unrelated reasons to prove a point. There is no rule that says you can't voice your outrage at policies here, and as long as you aren't being overly abusive, you are welcome to criticize everything we do. Just put your complaints in the right sections, and it would be very well appreciated if you are actually looking for an answer / a change rather than just trying to pick a fight to prove a point.

I wonder if you will be able to pay your fines in Bitcoin?

Yep, anything can be undone. However if something like that was to accidentally happen, a moderator would normally bring it to attention, say, hey I accidentally did this, can someone restore the post? And it would be done with. I still dont know what it was that was removed though.

Rule #1 of the moderator's handbook, is do not touch Satoshi's posts. I doubt anything was removed intentionally, although I don't know what post you are talking about in particular.

This isn't a new topic, people have been buying/selling accounts for a long time, the moderators don't care. Does it hurt the credibility of the forum? No, this isn't ebay. The fact that you can buy and sell things here is a just a feature. A forum is a place to talk about things, your username doesn't hugely effect that, unless you have built a reputation, but that can be removed pretty quickly if the buyer doesn't maintain the integrity of the account. Does it make the marketplace section a little trickier? Yes, but its always been tricky. There is no protecting people from scammers, find a reputable escrow service, and be ever vigilant.

What purposes could people have for buying accounts? Yes sig campaigns are the big one, then scamming and such comes in too, but really sig campaigns are so much more profitable, they are sustainable, so you can keep getting a payout every month, as long as you don't get banned for spamming, the pay keeps coming in. If you try to scam with the account and someone catches you before you can scam them, your account is now worthless, and you just threw out whatever you paid for the account, so scamming is really a gamble.

Back to the point, you are openly allowed to buy or sell accounts, we don't have the ability to enforce it, so by saying that its not allowed, without having the ability to back it up would give members a false sense of security. If it is allowed, then people are always on the lookout for suspicious behavior.

I've been here a long time, and done a lot of deals with people. I dont ask for trust, if people feel that they should go out of their way to leave it, it makes it all that much more special, I've never as much as hinted at leaving feedback to anyone I've dealt with. That being said, I personally don't value the trust system all that much. Its just a list of references to people who have no liability if someone they have done a deal with acts untrustworthy. The trust system is about as useful as Amazon reviews on products. So don't worry about it, you will have some customers who are so pleased that they will leave reviews for others to read, and in truth that doesn't give anyone extra incentive to buy from you, it just gives extra detail and people's opinions about your products. I'd leave you some myself, however I don't remember specifics. I know I ordered >60 BTC worth of stones from you, and that I was pleased, but I don't remember dates, reference threads, etc.

Anyway, I like Dave quite a bit, so that was my personal plug for him.

And as I said, I'll let you know when I get back into the biz, I've got a ton of other side projects I'm bouncing between, but I'm sure I'll land back at silversmithing.

Hey Dave, good to see you, congrats on the new office.

I used to buy a good deal of stones from Dave back in my amateur silversmith days, he is an absolute delight to deal with, and will make sure you know exactly what you are buying. If you are looking for stones, I'd highly recommend buying from Tiptopgem. He offers prices and customer service that is unbeatable. I'll sure I'll be buying more when the urge strikes me.

Not a problem, completely understandable.

No thank you, sorry.




Heh, just a heads up, this is my sales thread, I can understand how you might have thought this was a community sales thread though.

Philharmonics don't necessarily have numismatic value, unless its a semi collectable year, but all coins have a minting premium. Finding minted silver at spot is near impossible, because the spot price doesn't factor in machining costs, electrical costs, and mint employee salaries and such. Philharmonics are in a similar boat as US Silver Eagles and Canadian Maples, they carry a higher premium than generic bullion, as they are a quality coin from a recognized mint, but unless its graded, its not going to be a "collector's coin"

Added 100 1 Oz Silver Philharmonics, and 50 1 Oz Silver Crocodiles. I used a stock image of the Crocodiles, because they are still sealed from the Perth mint, and I'd rather not open the rolls (of 25) unless people are interested in them.

Thank you, I have quite a bit more that I may or may not sell, depending on the BTC price, and sheets of aluminum and such. Very interesting tongs, this is why I always leave offers open, because people have odd but neat things. I'll pm you, this may take some discussion.

You are correct, I was thinking of spots that occur from wrongful handling. The milky spots I'm assuming you are referring to are from the minting process, and not rinsing off a chemical at the correct time, which is a common issue with certain mints. I will double check to make sure they are clear of those as well for you 

They do not have any spots, they are graded MS69 by NGC in protected slabs, and guaranteed to stay in their "near perfect" condition, as long as the slab isn't broken. And yes, I can ship to Europe, as long as you aren't in Germany. Germany has pretty strict metal importation laws from outside of Europe in particular.

Everything listed in my OP that doesn't have SOLD next to it. The quantities are updated, and I've removed the items that I don't expect to have more of in the near future. Some things I've left up and just indicated that they have sold if I have more and am on the fence to sell more or not.

No problem, thank you very much.