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1761  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 23, 2013, 06:22:42 AM
I reinstalled Java 7.021 and Bitminter Client will DL but it is Unable to Launch.

If you click the "details" button what do you get? There should normally be an error message near the top saying something like unable to download some URL, or similar. The big stack trace below is not necessary.

The error is usually that it is unable to download something, and the cause is usually antivirus/firewall stopping it or bad proxy settings (points 3 and 6 above).
1762  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 22, 2013, 09:50:42 PM
Java said to uninstall obsolete version 6. I only have 7.021 and now it cannot recognize .jnlp:
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/javaws/

[5] Browser doesn't know JNLP, commandline: javaws http://bitminter.com/client/bitminter.jnlp

Are you able to start it that way?

On Windows you can paste the command into the input field in the start menu.
1763  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 22, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
Common reasons for BitMinter client failing to launch:

[1] No Java http://java.com
[2] Java cache bad, clear: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/plugin_cache.xml
[3] Antivirus/firewall prevents download, esp. AVG: whitelist javaws.exe + javaw.exe, turn off file transfer inspection
[4] "null" message: use default Windows desktop theme
[5] Browser doesn't know JNLP, commandline: javaws http://bitminter.com/client/bitminter.jnlp
[6] Wrong proxy settings: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/proxy_setup.xml (use direct connection if you don't need proxy)
[7] hs_err_pid file on desktop: graphics drivers crashed, get new drivers
[8] Mac OS X: sometimes OpenCL breaks, reboot to fix
[9] Java cache disabled, fix: http://247support.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10166/~/enable-java-to-cache-files

ISAWHIM is probably right. Especially if you upgraded from Java 6 to Java 7 the cache breaks - point [2] above.
1764  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 22, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
Something seems off with the perks. I've had the perks for BTC API and BTC prepay enabled. Now after the change it says for API 0.5% and for prepay 1.5%. However the donation slider is at 1.5% at the moment.

On the other hand the slider for NMC is at 1.5% as well, API perk enabled, but when I try to enabled the NMC prepay it won't allow it (as it should).

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

A problem caused a delay between reducing perk costs and reducing donation for those using the prepay perks. Those who adjusted down their donations manually in the meantime are now donating 1.5% for 2.0% worth of perks. If you would increase your donation yourself that would be appreciated.

The cost for the API perk will be going down soon and more perks will be added.
1765  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 21, 2013, 01:18:35 AM
The donations are in addition to the fee. The donation page has a new sentence in bold type to make this more clear.

Fee coming up, just running some tests.

Edit: 1% fee now in effect.
1766  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 20, 2013, 11:41:54 PM
I had a lot of things I needed to do today so the planned changes are a bit behind schedule.

All changes except the 1% fee are in effect. Fee will be set up in a moment.
1767  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 20, 2013, 07:32:43 PM
I can't seem to get my cgminer to connect with to my bitminter pool account. In Cgminer I have tried the following for the URL field: stratum+tcp://mint.bitminter.com:3333 no luck, http://mint.bitminter.com:8332 no luck, and just mint.bitminter.com:8332
I am sure I am typing my Username (or workername) correctly and its password. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

URL is correct. Probably wrong credentials. User name, worker name and password are all case sensitive. If you used capital letters at the website then you must do so in the client as well. If it still won't work, email me at operator@bitminter.com with your user name and I will look into it.
1768  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 18, 2013, 05:48:57 AM
Great job, BitMinter is awesome, so easy to use!  Can we have one to mine for LTC?

Thank you Smiley LTC will be considered soon, right now things are a bit hectic.

I need help understanding the payout transaction fees. Are they a fixed percentage of earnings paid out regardless of how often or is it a fixed amount per transaction? Is there any fee at all charged to the recipients or is the fee paid by the pool? I know there are several recipients of each payout but how does that work transaction fee wise?

Currently there is only auto cash out which is free. That means the pool pays the fees. But you should be aware that a threshold of 0.001 will leave you with a "wallet full of pennies" and force you to pay fees to send those pennies later. A threshold of 0.01 or higher is recommended. I may change the minimum to 0.01 in the future.

Hi DrHaribo.
Could you elaborate a bit more on the last point "New users will have a 1.5% default donation (rather than 2%)".

From saturday and onwards there will be a 1% mining fee for everyone. You can donate on top of that to activate perks. The prepay perk will require 1.5% donation. New users will have a default donation of 1.5% (total 2.5% with the fee) and prepay perk enabled. It's just a default setting - anyone can use the same setup with an older account. If you want you can reduce donations to 0% and only pay the 1% fee.

I've been mining with PPS pools for a few months but due to recent downtimes, and more personal dedication to mining, I figured I'd try a PPLNS pool. 

With PPS pools I've always been able to see a steady "24 earnings" metric.   With Bitminter, in my first 24 hours, I'm looking at less than half of the normal bitcoin payout I'd see.  The worker estimates are all over the map whenever I look at the page, varying as much as 50% down from the near-constant value cgminer is reporting, which is stressing me out.   I can't tell if the estimates on the worker page are bad or if it's actually something wrong with work submission.   cgminer has reported a constant rate the whole time, with <0.1% rejects and no HW errors.

What's a reasonable timeframe in a PPLNS scheme to compare to PPS earnings?  I'm a little nervous to continue here if my stats keep trending like this.

A proof of work ("share") takes a while to be fully paid because it is eligible for payouts from blocks as long as it is still in a shift that is one of the last 10 completed shifts. Your payouts will start small in the beginning as you don't have much work in the 10 last shifts. And if you stop mining you'll still get paid for several hours because you still have work in the 10 last shifts.

Coming from PPS you will probably find the graphs at this URL interesting: http://bitminter.com/stats/rewards

The top graph shows how much each proof of work (share) was paid in the last 500 shifts. As you can see the randomness of bitcoin mining makes it vary a lot. The bottom graph shows how the total cumulative pay for the last 500 shifts compares to expected average for Bitcoin mining.

Bitminter is the second client I tried using, and since then I've never looked back. It's a great application that looks nice and is very accessible.

Would you be able to use the information from this thread to improve Bitminter with nVidia GPUs at all? I'm not a programmer by any means, so I have no idea what the feasibility of this suggestion is. Figured I'd throw it out there, though!

Glad to hear you like it Smiley I could implement CUDA mining, yes, but currently it's not near the top of the TODO list. We'll see what there is time for, it's all a question of prioritizing with limited time.

I've been trying about 7 different mining clients and all of them have heavy fluxations on the MHash rate, is there a way I can stabilize this?

Not sure why that is. Which GPU model is this, and are you running other things at the same time that use the GPU, like Youtube videos?
1769  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 17, 2013, 04:49:15 AM
I get the variance, that happens.  What puzzled me was the steady 5.5GHps for every block but the one that only took a few seconds.  It was right before the 10 hour one, and it's (the shortly solved one) rate was 44Terahashes vs the normal 5.5gigahashes..  That's the glitch I was talking about.   It's just a strange thing to see.  Basically it was just a glitch in the matrix in the end.  I wonder what the odds are of solving a block in 1 second at this difficulty.

All hashrates displayed on the web server are estimates. When doing an estimate for hashrate over a period of 1 second then the estimate will be off. Therefore the 1 second block's hashrate is wrong.

Is this really true? I just started and am wondering if I am actually getting around 200Ghps.
I'm using a GeForce GT 650M with BitMinter 1.3.2

This is a bug with Apple OpenCL. Sometimes it breaks. It shows crazy high hashrate and never finds any results. Reboot your Mac and things will be back to normal.

Also, is there a way to optimize the work group size and work interval?

You just have to try them and see. 20 ms work interval gives good performance. Set it lower if you want smoother desktop, it may drop performance a little.
1770  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 17, 2013, 04:20:13 AM
what are the chances of added ltc support?

I have some important BTC things to do first. Then I will have a look at LTC. I may add it.
1771  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 17, 2013, 04:19:33 AM
I am running an ATI 6670 and an ATI 4850.  Both are running with a monitor attached to each.  However, unless one of the cards is disabled in device manager in the control panel, none of the bitcoin miners will open.  They just crash.  Again, it instantly works when one card is disabled.

Sounds like a driver issue. Try cleaning out the drivers and reinstalling them.
1772  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 16, 2013, 07:58:35 PM
On a unrelated note.  What just happened in the blocks?  99.9% for 10 hours then one solved in minutes using 44Thps?  Glitch in the matrix?

A 10 hour block can happen, that's just bad luck. The other block took just 1 second to complete. In such extreme cases the hashrate estimation gets way off from reality.

hi i jus done a lil dummy test where i connected to ur bitminter it seems to log on an connect it is mining atm on my cpu as i got a a lame graphics card ( please over look my ignorance i only got into bitcoins a week ago or more)  when it says no open cl compatible does it mean the graphics card in my laptop needs to be different or that i need to upgrade sum software regarding? i'm only doing this to get a feel for it (usin cpu or gpu if possible atm) i knw asic is the future of minning bt we all know thers so very limited availability of asics. however in the future will your bitminter pool work with asics from butterfly( if they ever come) or even other asics. thanks to all in advance for ur help.

Which graphics card do you have?

The pool server already works great with ASICs. There are users in the pool mining on ASICs already. I am working on adding support for BFL SCs in BitMinter client. I aim to have this finished and stable before BFL customers receive their ASICs.
1773  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BitMinter.com * Optional Custom Miner, PPLNS, Merged mining, Newbie-Friendly! * on: April 16, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Hello all new users who joined and welcome to the pool. Thanks for the kind words, guys.

i realy like this miner but with my ATI 4870 it is to slow. It only getīs around 85 till 88 Mhs. With GUIminer poclbm and this flags -d 0 -v -w 128 -f 1 i get 104 Mhs.
What should i select in the tunning tap to get this miner faster.

I'm not sure what has caused this. It's normal for different miners to vary a bit, but that difference looks very large.

I am only making namecoins. How can I make bitcoins too?

You get paid bitcoins when we get a bitcoin block. It's just that we get namecoin blocks more often since their difficulty is lower.

I've been trying it out the bitminter java app on my osx laptop.  It appears to be mostly happily getting and completing work units(except occasionally it appears to complete all the ones I have) but I don't see any accepted or rejected proffs of work on the server.  It maybe isn't uploading them?  I'm not sure how to tell if this is a network issue with my connection?

Apple OpenCL breaks sometimes. It shows a crazy high hash rates and never finds any proofs of work. Reboot your Mac and it will work properly again.
1774  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 15, 2013, 07:07:26 PM
Variance. It happens and there is nothing you can do about it.

No kidding. First we had a block that took 1 second, then one that took 10 hours. Lady luck is teaching variance 101 right here. Wink
1775  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 15, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
I wanted to help out one of my favorite pools so I made mine 5% my tiny 1.2Gh/s should still do a little good to help keep this pool up and running.

Thanks, that is much appreciated!

We have a few users donating a lot and many users donating zero. That's why we're moving to a 1% fee. That will be more fair and you won't have to carry the users who don't donate.
1776  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 15, 2013, 05:45:37 AM
I already give 2% would that mean my fee is now 3%?

There's a few days left until 2013-04-20, so nothing has changed yet. If you have prepay on and 2% donation then your donation will be reduced to 1.5%. Fee + donation will then be 2.5%.

You can of course change the donation any time you want, the automatic reduction is because the prepay perk is being made cheaper. There are other pools paying orphans at 3% and I would like BitMinter to still be cheaper. Wink
1777  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: pool freeriding exploit? on: April 14, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
This is the "block withholding attack". It is very old.
1778  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 14, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
Lately some users tried to use RPCminer. This is an old miner that doesn't work with modern pools and is no longer maintained so we can't expect bugs to be fixed. Some details about the problem here: https://github.com/slush0/stratum-mining-proxy/issues/9

If you must use this old miner then connect through Slush's stratum mining proxy: https://github.com/slush0/stratum-mining-proxy/

It will "trick" RPCminer into working.

Edit: from what I understand you need to use the --old-target option with the stratum mining proxy to make this work.
1779  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5500 GH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: April 14, 2013, 08:45:05 PM
New Android app that got BitMinter support: Miner Status

It's been added to the "tools" -> "third party apps" menu on the website.
1780  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Weekly pool and network statistics on: April 14, 2013, 06:50:12 AM
Nice work, as always. Smiley

I like the new violin plot of hashrate distribution among miners in a pool.

What kind of API/data do you prefer, to add more pools there?
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