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1781  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would a (bicycle) merchant go about accepting bitcoin? on: March 14, 2020, 07:53:33 PM
Actually the simplest method (might not be legal in some countries) is for the shop owner to get his/her very own bitcoin wallet. As simple as that, a mere p2p transaction.

For legality maybe he/she could use his own fiat to make accounting happy, just make it look like he/she is giving a gift from his/her own pocket, no one really needs to know he actually got bitcoin.

To do it formally it depends on each country's regulation.
1782  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Simple explanation of the crash. on: March 14, 2020, 07:44:05 PM
Whales cashed out from the most stable asset in recent months (that is BTC of course  Grin)
To make some dollies on extremely volatile, classic, cash grabbing, roulette-like, FED(fake) stock market.
Change my mind  Cool

There's nothing changing on the Bitcoin side. Bitcoin is still a revolution for human life. But the age of others is slowly closing.
Cryptocurrencies have a purpose, vision. (not all) This still makes me think the potential is high.

Well that sounds logical, everything is cheap right now some could have sold their bitcoin to buy cheap stock, assets etc, then when the market recovers they sell and buy back bitcoin or whatever.

But if you happen to have a lot of fiat, currently bitcoin is also very cheap to buy, such an opportunity does not come often. If you survive the virus, that is.
1783  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus: International Updates on: March 13, 2020, 07:34:30 PM
Argentina declared national health emergency
1 Confirmed in Trinidad & Tobago (Caura)
2 Confirmed in Venezuela (Miranda)
Italy has over 1000 deaths...

Remember: Each confirmed case, is a person that has been spreading it around for up to two weeks without knowing...
Symptoms only show up after about 11 days.
1784  Other / Off-topic / Re: Quick checks for low blood pressure. on: March 12, 2020, 10:01:23 PM
Wow these are cool and useful. How about tips for detecting high pressure?
1785  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WHO declares Global Pandemic. How bad is it? on: March 12, 2020, 09:43:07 PM
The hospital I predominantly work in, and our local network, are currently prepping hard for what is to come in the few weeks. The reports coming out of Italy are tragic. Hospitals at 200% capacity. 10% rate of admission to intensive care units. All elective work cancelled. Patients being ventilated in operating rooms, in corridors, in store cupboards. Anywhere there is space to put a bed and a spare ventilator. Anyone over the age of 65, or with significant comorbidities (cancer, previous transplants, heart failure, severe diabetes) is not even being assessed by the critical care team. Read that again. It's not that patients over 65 are being turned down for admission to intensive care - they aren't even being considered, seen, assessed. They get an oxygen mask, and that's it. If they deteriorate, they are palliated. All the resources are going to the young and fit, and even then, hospitals can't cope.

Many countries are on identical trajectories to Italy, just delayed by a few weeks:

Even if you are still think this is "just the flu", it will completely flood your local healthcare systems for weeks to months. A lot of people are going to die from a lot of unrelated conditions because there is nowhere to care for them and no-one to look after them.

Just wait until reports start coming from countries with poor healthcare systems (like mine); You think Italy is bad? At least they had something to work with...

It was probably the same thing in China and Iran, it was simply that information from those countries are hard to come by. Now we see the very same thing happening in the United States and Spain and many others. But at least all those "first world" countries do have some functional healthcare system.

The world was unprepared for this, worldwide protocols to contain and mitigate a new virus simply do not work good enough. Many of us are on our own, literally: no medic, no medicine, no oxygen mask, no nothing. Maybe a prayer, maybe.

I'm sure some Machiavellian minds are already considering the benefits of reduction in world population, especially the elderly. But that's what you do when your resources are limited: Prioritize.

Be thankful, at least you still have some resources to allocate, and try not to become a patient too...
1786  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you could change one thing about America, what would you change? on: March 12, 2020, 09:29:44 PM
End The Federal Reserve. It is the most heinous criminal organization that has caused more human suffering, loss of life, and wasted toiling and effort than any organization that has ever existed in human history.

That would need to also end fractional reserve banking and abandon the Chicago school of economy and embrace the Austrian school. The Austrians want gold as currency (not a fiat backed in gold or bank notes, but actual gold coins). But we now have Bitcoin, which is a good substitute.

Of course switching to the Austrian school mentality implies changing many (bad) habits, such as getting in debt rather than save to buy/invest.

In short, yes: just embrace the Austrian school. Teach about Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Huerta de Soto, and friends.
The question was about America, but its equally valid for All the World.

Of course, the bankers would not tolerate such a thing, which is why the status quo remains...

If banks were forced to play with full reserve rules, no national reserve would be needed, but they would shrink inevitably. Under those rules, you can still let them loan your money, but during the loan that money becomes unavailable to you. Also, if you don't allow it, logically you have to pay the bank to keep your money safe, not the other way around... Remember, with money that doesn't lose value overtime, the need for banks shrinks. Unfortunately gold is a bit too risky to keep around: Enter Bitcoin.

If you still have fears of deflation, you have yet to read the Austrians. Don't fear it, it works, and beautifully too; its simply slower to growth, but bubbles an crashes are no more. Read and recommend others to read Austrian economics, its free online: https://mises.org
1787  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus: International Updates on: March 12, 2020, 09:01:15 PM
I will be trying to update this thread with some news about how the coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting people around the world

12th March 2020:

- Ireland: all schools and colleges closed
- Spain: death toll in Spain increases from 47 to 84
- Spain: La Liga football games suspended for two weeks
- US actor Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson test positive for coronavirus in Australia
- Tennis: ATP Tour postponed ALL play for six weeks


More updates will be added..

I saw the Spain president talking and they suspended anything were crowds could gather, such as theaters, museums etc; its not just football.

In Venezuela Maduro declared a national health emergency and stopped flights coming from Europe and Colombia; also any events with crowds are forbidden (conveniently today was another opposition gathering, but who cares).

Colombia declared national health emergency
Ecuador declared national health emergency
El Salvador declared Orange Alert
Bolivia declared national emergency
Panama declared national emergency
1788  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Toilet paper hoarding on: March 12, 2020, 08:45:44 PM
Boy, I didn't realize that toilet paper is such a coveted item. Tried to order some this weekend with my grocery store delivery, no dice. Waited to get some today, store shelf empty. Called one store, nope. Called another store, got lucky. However, I only bought one package of 12. The clerk asked me if I wanted more. I hope that I didn't make a crucial error. Although, I am sure cloth rags and frequent showers will work. Or is running water going to be in short supply soon, too? How long, exactly, are people expecting to be holed up? We only have like 33 presumptive cases in the state that I am in at the moment, and I live in a rather large state.(area wise)

Hmm Finally you are feeling what my country felt when in 2014 the government ordered prices to be "regulated" and "controlled" by them (because the market is an imperialist attack, yadda.).

You will probably not have to endure this for two or three years like we did, due to the stubborn politicians (with way too much power) that call themselves socialists. But let me give you an advise, don't stop with Toilet paper, pay attention to all other essentials and stock in advance, anything non perishable that you could not live without. Soap for example. Scarcity comes in waves, first its one item, then its another item, you have to plan ahead.

They might order people to stay at home, so having an ample stock now that you can still go out to buy, could be an asset.

Someone can carry the virus for 11 days (on average) without symptoms, spreading it to others. This is why you must pay serious attention to it, it simply "lags" giving people a false security, act now because by the time it becomes evident, it will be too late.

Just like inflation, it hits just like that. Don't keep all your money in fiat...
1789  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Coronavirus, Bitcoin y Mercados. on: March 12, 2020, 08:16:43 PM
Menudas jornadas nos esperan hasta que no pase la tormenta (que suponemos pasará): Las bolsas en caída libre, Bitcoin casi un -21% en 24 horas, etc. Lo que si queda desmitificado es que Bitcoin pueda actuar como valor refugio, por si alguien aún se lo creía …

Claro que sirve como refugio, porque va volver a subir. Dale tiempo y verás, incluso si baja mas, volverá a subir.

Quienes se refugian en "stable coins" están corriendo un riesgo mucho mayor que quedarse en Bitcoin y esperar (el famoso hold).

Mientras tanto, es una excelente oportunidad de comprar barato. Pero hay que ver a futuro, no a lo inmediato. El pánico es mal consejero...

Bitcoin no es el único activo que bajó, las acciones, hasta el oro, todos bajaron en simultaneo, unos mas, otros menos. La presión contra las monedas fíat, respaldadas en economías que también están en caída, va ser tremenda. Confiarse en el USD o el EUR es un gran error.

Bitcoin bajó de 8mil a 6mil, antes había llegado a 10mil y bajado a 9mil, y antes 7500, donde estuvo largo rato el año pasado.

Sin duda que volverá por esos niveles de 7500, entre mas baje mas fuerte será la presión del rebote; sobretodo si las fiat caen como es lo mas probable.
1790  Economy / Speculation / Re: A hard manipulation? on: March 12, 2020, 04:25:52 PM
Watching the whole market for more than 3hrs, just took my eyes off it to avoid selling at loss and waking up to buying at a higher price which can be heartbreaking. The whole scenario is happening very fast, seems like some powers are manipulating the market to make weak hands sell off. I hope people don't fall for old trick game if this is manipulation.

You are supposed to automate those things, its what the major players do. Stop loss, pre set buy/ sell orders, etc. If you have to be glued to the screen for hours to no end, you are doing it wrong.

What a great opportunity to buy bitcoin cheap, for those that survive the virus...
1791  Economy / Speculation / Re: ARMAGEDDON On the Markets on: March 12, 2020, 04:18:23 PM
You need to have an open large heart in other to stay at peace with yourself when things like this are happening, cryptocurrency is for strong men, otherwise we would have been seeing many old timers collapsing or landing in the clinic for shock resulting from the dumping market. If one has good money, this may be a good opportunity to beat the Whales to their game and retire early when all these trouble waters would have settled.

Bitcoin can withstand a world economy collapse, i have said it before. Compare what stocks and everything else (altcoins, forex) have lost next to Bitcoin. It was literally made for this.

Essentially everyone is being ordered to remain home, obviously the economy is stopping. If the world had paid attention in January, and stopped ALL transit for a month, the problem would have solved itself.

But this world is unprepared for real biological threats. And this wasn't a threat, but a logical mutation resulting from excessive cohabitation of humans and animals. Not unlike Previous Avian flu, Swine flu, Camel, etc...

Weren't the politicians always saying they were "prepared"? Look at the United States and Europe. Now imagine how it is in the poor countries with dysfunctional or non existent health care...

Yes the world needs to shutdown, and stay home for a month.
1792  Local / Hardware y Minería / Re: Encender/Apagar minadores on: March 12, 2020, 03:01:38 AM
muy buenos días estimados amigos

no tiene que ver mucho con el foro la siguiente pregunta, pero busco una forma de aclarar un poco mi inquietud sobre las asic. Es posible agregar mas tarjetas a una tarjeta controladora S9? porque veo que tiene 3 ranuras donde se pueden instalar otras 3 tarjetas minadoras aparte de las 3 que ya viene de fabrica.

Claro tengo que cuenta que el case de una S9 normal viene para una dimencion para 3 tarjetas. Pero si decido realizar esta expancion y colocar las tarjetas minadoras en un rig minero donde sean enfriadas por aceite dielectrico? Teniendo en cuenta que debo agregar un emulador de fans para que puedan arrancar su proceso de minado.

La teoría me indica que que la controladora da el comando para que las tarjetas minadoras o los chips que están en la tarjeta minadora comiencen a realizar su trabajo que es minar bajo el algoritmo que fueron creadas para minar. Claro tengo que tener en cuenta la cuestión de enfriamiento y también de la fuente de poder que tambien va para esas otras 3 tarjetas que quisiera agregarle a la tarjeta controladora.

Mi duda a nacido ya que vi que los nuevos modelos de mayor tamaño que están saliendo, viene con la tarjeta controladora casi iguales y lo que cambia es el firmware, el case y obviamente en algunos modelos, que las tarjetas tiene mas chips.

Debiste haber hecho tu hilo aparte, porque esto no va relacionado con el tema de encenderlos y apagarlos (no se puede).

Pero te respondo, pues te digo que si. No le veo sentido y tengo un conocido que está haciendo lo del aceite... ¿Pero para que ahorrar una controladora? Esa es una de las piezas mas baratas.

Tienes que soldar los enchufes que le faltan para que funcione y me parece que algunos componentes adicionales. Con 6 funciona bien: 234 567.

Aunque no va con la pregunta los nuevos modelos apestan, evita la K y la SE...

Y si reemplazas el firmware con BraiinsOS, no necesitas emuladores.
1793  Local / Hardware y Minería / Re: Necesito orientacion en la compra de un Antminer por Bitmaintech! on: March 12, 2020, 02:30:34 AM
¿Y de cuanto va la nacionalización? Hay mucha gente en el mundo "botando" las S9 por 100 dólares o menos incluso usadas o por piezas, porque no les sirve con lo que pagan de luz por allá...

Acá por supuesto es "regalado", aunque con cortes constantes... Lo cual no sería problema si no hubieran dejado perder el sistema eléctrico nacional, pues con esa hidroeléctrica hecha en los años 60, tenemos energía limpia para minar especialmente en las zonas industriales. O el parque de generación termoeléctrica con gas natural que también se dejó perder por completo, 10 años atrás el presidente de turno mandó a montar tanta generación a gas como para poder desconectar Guri completamente sin que se fuera la luz ni en un solo pueblo, pero todo eso se fue al olvido (y mucho dinero robado).

Entonces ahora es como evitar la matraca aduanera, porque me huele que ni teniendo todo en regla, te salvas y por eso la gente busca los puerta puerta mas habilidosos o que ya tienen eso "cuadrado"...

Y luego están los otros abusadores que como lograron el "permiso" y tal, y ellos si pueden importar pero tu no, cobran que digo el triple, 4 o 5 veces mas.
1794  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: “Podemos crear inflación en Bitcoin si es necesario”, asegura Peter Todd on: March 12, 2020, 02:19:23 AM
Ese tipo de cambio no va recibir la aprobación general, es de hecho la única diferencia entre Dogecoin y Litecoin (pre-segwit).

¿Para que inflación? Para justificar la errada teoría de la escuela de Chicago, que el dinero debe siempre perder valor a fin de estimular el endeudamiento y el consumo. La escuela austríaca de economía se opone directamente y plantea que, una moneda que preserva valor en el tiempo estimula el ahorro REAL y mediante este las inversiones SOLIDAS a LARGO PLAZO.

La gente que no estudia la escuela austríaca no entiende el mundo con monedas que no pierden valor en el tiempo, y entran en pánico. Definitivamente este es uno de esos personajes.

La economía sin inflación funciona, pueden leer todos los argumentos en: http://www.mises.org.es/ y https://mises.org/ O vean los videos de Jesús Huerta de Soto en Youtube.

Bitcoin no pierde valor en el tiempo, y eso está muy bien. La gente tenderá a gastar solo lo necesario, pudiendo conservar en ahorro todo lo demás, con seguridad de que no pierde valor y hasta puede ganar un poco, sin bancos con sus intereses y mentiras (la reserva fraccionaria).

La economía austríaca acaba con las burbujas y sus estallidos. No hay la alocada expansión crediticia que es lo que buscan los seguidores de la escuela de Chicago, para un "crecimiento rápido y alocado" que inevitablemente termina reventando, una y otra y otra y otra vez. Por supuesto el crecimiento en una economía basada en el ahorro, y no en la deuda, es mas lento. Pero es mas seguro.

A un político no le conviene no mostrar resultados durante su gestión, por eso no le conviene. Y si explota (que siempre lo hace) que le explote al siguiente, probablemente su adversario...

Sin embargo la escuela austríaca es la única que explica como si puede funcionar la economía basada en una moneda que no pierde valor. Notarán que los austríacos hablan de oro, que no patrón oro, sino monedas de oro o lingotes. Esto viene de comienzos de principio 20, ellos incluso predijeron durante los alocados años 20 la crisis que vendría y finalmente estalló en el 29 (acto seguido en EEUU ordenaron el decomiso de todo el oro a la población, su posesión fue ilegal durante buena parte del siglo 20, tremenda la ironía).

Ahora tenemos Bitcoin, que por diseño tiene características similares al oro, y su mas fundamental características es el límite. Es prácticamente la razón de ser de Bitcoin. Quien no cree en eso, puede usar una cripto de emisión infinita, como Ethereum... Por supuesto, los seguidores de la equivocada escuela de Chicago, que lamentablemente impera en el mundo actual.
1795  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: La historia y el simbolismo detrás del logotipo de Bitcoin on: March 12, 2020, 01:57:54 AM
Hola FullNode, gracias por el tema. Este comentario que voy hacer no es para ti, es general.

No entiendo como nunca estos periódicos virtuales referidos a las cripto nunca le dan un link a Bitcointalk. Es absolutamente despreciable y ¡sí! puede sonar algo exagerado, pero muchas veces he visto como estos autores basan sus artículos en muchos post que se escriben aquí y rara vez referencian la fuente correctamente.

Este articulo lo escribió  "by Redacción  14 horas ago" una lástima porque a veces hasta colocan el nombre de quien lo escribe, cualquiera de ellos debería venir aquí, abrir una cuenta de "escritor  de" y defender o ser felicitado en este foro local, cuando haga notas increíblemente buenas, malas, etc.

Cualquier historia que se escriba sobre el Bitcoin, este foro es fuente primaria de consulta.

Son plagio. Muchos de esos artículos son pagados y si se nota que es una copia y pega, que realmente es pero le tratan de cambiar estilo o es una simple traducción cuando es otro idioma como el español, pues no les pagan por eso hacen la trampilla y no citan la fuente...

Claro que el foro creado por el creador de Bitcoin es fuente, si hay muchos mensajes escritos por Satoshi hasta el momento de su desaparición...
1796  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Bitcoin no es Dinero on: March 12, 2020, 01:48:00 AM
En Venezuela apartir de abril se cobrará un impuesto por pagos con criptomonedas entre el 5 % y el 25 % sobre el valor del IVA, es decir sobre el 16 %  del IVA. Considero que es muy elevado porque dicho impuesto oscilaría finalmente entre el 21 % y el 41 %. Considero que es escandalosa ésta cifra y desestimulará el pago con criptomonedas.

Entre 21% y 41%, que coraje...

Y digo coraje por que los impuestos es algo que se debería de ver reflejado en el bien social, calles limpias, un buen servicio de seguridad, subsidio para servicios básicos. Y la realidad es otro, en paise latinoamericanos el impuesto se ve reflejado nadamas en la riqueza de sus gobernantes.

Especialmente Venezuela donde nada funciona y casi todo se vino abajo, tengo 3 años sin teléfono ni internet fijo... Las caídas de luz continúan, especialmente fuera de la capital pero tampoco se salva, el agua escasea, es muy racionada y en plena capital hay sectores que reciben agua 1 vez por semana, en pleno siglo 21, tan solo unos años atrás no existían los cortes. La salud es inexistente (el virus va causar una desgracia tremenda), la educación en el piso, sin insumos ni implementos. Los mismos hospitales sin agua, ni elementos de limpieza, obviamente no hay medicinas ni guantes ni gafas máscaras, nada de nada es como esas películas pos-apocalipticas, mas o menos.

¿Y ese impuesto quien lo va pagar? Nadie. Ningún comerciante va listar precios en moneda extranjera o Bitcoin. Mas fácil cambiar todos los días el precio expresado siempre en bolívares. Incluso si aceptan el pago en divisa o cripto, buscarán de hacerlo de manera que no quede reflejado oficialmente cosa que es bastante común para TODO en este país.

Aparte que es una de las peores economías del hemisferio, con la pobreza mas rampante ¿y que van a recaudar? ¿si la gente no gana ni $5 dólares al mes por un trabajo a tiempo completo? Es que es de brutos, pero para brutos los políticos, sin duda.

Cualquier obstáculo que un país establece contra Bitcoin, está sencillamente negando la creación o entrada de riqueza, tan sencillo como eso. Entre mas obstáculos, menos riqueza que se va para otra parte. Pareciera elemental pero los que gobiernan piensan que la economía es un cuento de brujas. Este es el país donde un ministro de economía de Maduro (sociólogo, no economista) declaró seriamente: "La inflación no existe"... Y así es la mente de la gente que llevó este país a la quiebra.

Legalidades aparte en lo que a mi concierne, se puede pagar con bitcoin y recibir pagos con bitcoin directo entre pares sin intermediarios. Llámenle como quieran, es una realidad indetenible. Quienes se opongan, serán barridos por la historia.
1797  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Coronavirus Mapa y datos en cada país on: March 12, 2020, 01:30:03 AM
En el lavado de las manos hay un alto índice de prevención, así como también consumir alimentos que aumenten las defenzas naturales del cuerpo, porque es la única manera que pueda evitarse, los tapabocas no quiere decir que está totalmente protegido, lo extraño de todo esto es que ha pasado tanto tiempo y no dan con la medicina para salir de este virus, hay muchas cosas que pasan a veces por mi mente, a veces pienso que esto fué lanzado apropósito para disminuir el número de habitantes de la tierra y así tener más recursos, son muchas las teorías conspiranóicas que a veces surgen, pero como en todo, es difícil saber la verdad.

La manera mas efectiva de evitar el contagio es no salir para no entrar en contacto con personas o lugares donde personas contagiadas hayan dejado el virus esparcido. Los gobiernos todos han actuado muy pero muy tarde, ignoraron y subestimaron las advertencias, y ahora lamentablemente la Organización Mundial de la Salud declara oficialmente la "Pandemia". Aun así, los gobiernos de los países no les pasó por su mente detener el tráfico completamente, que era lo que había que hacer en enero: Detener todo el tráfico por un mes hubiera evitado la expansión mundial.

Y esto no fue un virus elaborado, ni arma biológica. Es el producto natural de tener personas y animales en contacto constante, tal como los virus anteriores que saltaron desde las aves, los cerdos y los camellos.

Con esta respuesta tan tardía e ineficaz, de la que ni los propios EEUU se salvan, se demuestra que de haber sido una verdadera arma biológica, el mundo no está en capacidad de resistirla. Excepto, irónicamente, Corea del Norte quien si cerró su tráfico (bastante pequeño) completamente con el exterior en enero.

Hay varias posibles vacunas pero el proceso de comprobarlas lleva demasiado tiempo para el ritmo de expansión que ha llevado, y la incapacidad de contenerlo.

Ahora va caer en los países pobres sin capacidad alguna de resistirlo, controlarlo o mitigarlo. La emergencia es oficialmente de escala mundial a partir de hoy.
1798  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is there any working bitcoin mining extension or app? on: March 12, 2020, 01:06:37 AM
No.

There are some cpu mining programs, but those mine some other altcoin, which you could exchange and exchange for a few satoshis, but thats besides the point.

Bitcoin mining has long been done by specialized equipment, so called asic miners. No way your cpu or gpu are capable, that was only in the early days, now long gone.

Anything you read online or is sent to you unsolicited about such a thing, is a lie and probably a scam.

If you want to mine bitcoin, you should purchase an asic miner, which is an industrial kinda of computer that makes a LOT (70db+) of noise and draws so much power it needs 240v to avoid making your wiring catch fire.

Do visit the mining section of the forum and ask if you are really interested. Mind you, you are way too late into this game, its almost nearing the point of being unprofitable to mine, unless you live in one of those special places with very cheap electricity.
1799  Other / Off-topic / Re: Which is more saving for travelling? Public transport or personal vehicles? on: March 12, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Saving is the most rewarding thing rather than bonuses, perks, and benefits. So for everyday living I would like some opinions or techniques that can save money while travelling to work, school, or business. You can add some money-saving tips other than travelling efficiency. I know I have read some articles about this but I want to know from real people in here.
in my area the traffic is killing me going to office so i prefer riding Train but it is also harder to go in train station as it was few kilometer from my place so i am Riding my Ebike and leaving to the train terminal so when i am off to office i will also ride train and ebike to go home,same old ways everyday and it made me saves more money than driving my car to office.

Indeed, a bicycle is a personal vehicle, which happens to save fuel and it even improves your health as long as the other motorists respect you...

Unfortunately not all places have a bicycle friendly culture, but if you happen to live in a place that does, you should use it. I have never used an electric assisted one, but i can imagine those would help certain groups of people.

In some places public transport makes sense, especially if the stops/stations are close to your from / to destination. But, if you could, say, work from home, that would also save a lot...
1800  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: March 10, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
Summary of an informative article made by Ars Technica: Don’t Panic: The comprehensive Ars Technica guide to the coronavirus

You should be concerned and take this seriously. But you should not panic.

This is the mantra public health experts have adopted since the epidemic mushroomed in January—and it’s about as comforting as it is easy to accomplish. But it’s important that we all try.

This new coronavirus—dubbed SARS-CoV-2—is unquestionably dangerous. It causes a disease called COVID-19, which can be deadly, particularly for older people and those with underlying health conditions. While the death rate among infected people is unclear, even some current low estimates are seven-fold higher than the estimate for seasonal influenza.

And SARS-CoV-2 is here in the US, and it's circulating—we are only starting to determine where it is and how far it has spread. Problems with federal testing have delayed our ability to detect infections in travelers. And as we work to catch up, the virus has kept moving. It now appears to be spreading in several communities across the country. It’s unclear if we will be able to get ahead of it and contain it; even if we can, it will take a lot of resources and effort to do it.

All that said, SARS-CoV-2 is not an existential threat. While it can be deadly, around 80 percent of cases are mild to moderate, and people recover within a week or two. Moreover, there are obvious, evidence-based actions we can take to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and our communities overall.

Now is not the time for panic, which will only get in the way of what you need to be doing. While it’s completely understandable to be worried, your best bet to getting through this unscathed is to channel that anxious energy into doing what you can to stop SARS-COV-2 from spreading.

And to do that, you first need to have the most complete, accurate information on the situation as you can. To that end, below is our best attempt to address all of the questions you might have about SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, and the situation in the US.

Various countries underestimated the virus, and has spread beyond their control forcing them to increase measures but reacting too late.

Here is another summary of an interesting article regarding the US from Bloomberg: Seattle’s Patient Zero Spread Coronavirus Despite Ebola-Style Lockdown

The man who would become Patient Zero for the new coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. appeared to do everything right. He arrived Jan. 19 at an urgent-care clinic in a suburb north of Seattle with a slightly elevated temperature and a cough he’d developed soon after returning four days earlier from a visit with family in Wuhan, China.

The 35-year-old had seen a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention alert about the virus and decided to get checked. He put on a mask in the waiting room. After learning about his travel, the clinic drew blood and took nasal and throat swabs, and called state and county health officials, who hustled the sample onto an overnight flight to the CDC lab in Atlanta. The patient was told to stay in isolation at home, and health officials checked on him the next morning.  

The test came back positive that afternoon, Jan. 20, the first confirmed case in the U.S. By 11 p.m., the patient was in a plastic-enclosed isolation gurney on his way to a biocontainment ward at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, Washington, a two-bed unit developed for the Ebola virus. As his condition worsened, then improved over the next several days, staff wore protective garb that included helmets and face masks. Few even entered the room; a robot equipped with a stethoscope took vitals and had a video screen for doctors to talk to him from afar.

County health officials located more than 60 people who’d come in contact with him, and none developed the virus in the following weeks. By Feb. 21, he was deemed fully recovered. Somehow, someone was missed.

All the careful medical detective work, it’s now clear, wasn’t enough to slow a virus moving faster than the world’s efforts to contain it.

Yes its correct to calm people, panic leads nowhere. But the down players that imply that this is nothing more than just another flu, are causing more harm than good. Case in point, that Australian that went clubbing even after being diagnosed with COVID-19, probably following that internet trend to downplay the virus completely. In the meantime, even the UN Building in NY is getting closed...

I think the Ars Technica article is good (do read it in its entirety). Do not underestimate this, but also do not panic and act accordingly.

Another excerpt:

  • 88 percent had a fever
  • 68 percent had a dry cough
  • 38 percent had fatigue
  • 33 percent coughed up phlegm
  • 19 percent had shortness of breath
  • 15 percent had joint or muscle pain
  • 14 percent had a sore throat
  • 14 percent headache
  • 11 percent had chills
  • 5 percent had nausea or vomiting
  • 5 percent had nasal congestion
  • 4 percent had diarrhea
  • Less than one percent coughed up blood or blood-stained mucus
  • Less than one percent had watery eyes

Remember that these symptoms take days to manifest, by the time you notice, you'd have to remember where you have been in the past week, where did you sneezed or coughed etc. Ideally people should avoid crowds and preferably going out until this quiets down.
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